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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 11, 2012 5:21:06 GMT -5
That's fair because it further justifies the belief that the road of religion is the wrong path to take to ensuring a life of satisfaction and self worth. It is my belief that beliefs like yours are dangerous. While I don't think it's necessary for entertainment figures to express their beliefs on this and other issues, it's nice to know that they don't let the threats of others who they pray with dictate their belief system. Otherwise, women like Carrie should be kept away from all men for a week every month and nobody would be allowed to eat pork or meat on Fridays. If someone is going to preach what's right and wrong using the bible as justification, they better follow every damn word. As I'm sure you do.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Jun 11, 2012 8:41:56 GMT -5
I want to say up front that I'm really not trying to be offensive , but Ryanroberts , that link is crap. Nothing but agenda fueled crap. And that's cleaning it up with what I would really like to call it.
I'll admit I spend entirely too much time debating this issue online. To the point that its an obsession. There are several things that rub me the wrong way when talking to Christians about it. They frame it as a moral issue that's in the same league as adultery , murder , & even pedophilia. And any Christian that doesn't hold that belief is suddenly not a Christian. You even did it Ryan with your "supposed Christian" remark. Because Ms. Underwood holds the belief that everyone should be treated equally, shes somehow less Christian?
Please , please , please do me a favor and do your own research. You have the entire world web at your finger tips. Look up some sites that aren't religious based. Ask some gay people if they choose to be gay. Better yet , ask yourself why anyone would choose to be gay. Then ask yourself why a segment of our population should be treated less then equal, for something that they have no control over and harms no one. While you are certainly free to hold any opinion , I really want you to know it comes from a sheltered or frankly uneducated stand point
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 11, 2012 9:41:21 GMT -5
I want to know why no women have been stoned lately for being on their period in the presence of men. The bible is more clear about that than it is about homosexuality. Don't say it's because society has advance. If it can advance in one way, surely it can in other ways.
That and judging.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Jun 11, 2012 9:53:56 GMT -5
Max, you are my hero. Wanna get gay-married?
Does anyone have a link to Collin Raye's supposed anti gay remarks? Ive googled but can only find people talking about it, but not the actual interview.
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Post by Fanofctrymusic on Jun 11, 2012 9:59:12 GMT -5
I think many of us have a gay family member I know I do.
I support gay rights, as we all should be happy in life.
Artists shouldn't have to state their political preference or sex choice, they just need entertain us.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 11, 2012 11:07:21 GMT -5
I couldn't stomach reading much of that link that Ryan posted, because each sentence was like a lethal dose of poison bullshit. The thing that got me the most is the notion that I'm not born this way (I sure as hell was), and that homosexuality is characterized by "doing" (which doesn't make sense at all; like oops guys, I think I forgot to go do 'homosexual' yesterday when I was out running errands). I'm not any different than anybody else; I don't feel it and I don't look it. So Christians like Carrie Underwood are the kind I want to give the time of day to, not the ones who selectively read a book to find things "wrong" with others.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 11, 2012 11:12:09 GMT -5
Max, you are my hero. Wanna get gay-married? I do! But only as long as the person doing the marriage isn't a child molester. |
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Jun 11, 2012 11:15:00 GMT -5
<Refrains from the obvious Catholic joke>
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 11, 2012 11:21:53 GMT -5
All I can say is that I'm sure glad we have an admin like Max here. :'( I used to post on a forum when I was younger and I remember the staff there were mostly homophobic.  |
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Post by carriekins on Jun 11, 2012 11:24:09 GMT -5
I was raised Catholic and firmly believe in everybody's right to love and marry whomever they choose. I don't think that makes me a "bad" Catholic, nor do I think that makes me a "bad" or "good" person. I'm just me, and I have my beliefs.
As far as country singers being accepting of gay fans, I don't really know where I stand there. I don't really feel like any of them "owe us" anything by speaking out on the issue, but I'm also not going to lie - I applaud when they do, especially when, like Carrie, they speak out in favor of the issue. That said, where my favorite artists "stand" on the issue isn't something that I readily think about. (Though, in the next breath, I'd probably be pretty disappointed if, say, Dierks were to speak out against it. So that might be a situation where ignorance might be bliss, ha. At least I'm honest?)
And ... a song rec: Dierks - Heaven I'm Headed To. I think it's somewhat appropriate here.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Jun 11, 2012 12:05:29 GMT -5
I was raised Catholic and firmly believe in every body's right to love and marry whomever they choose. I don't think that makes me a "bad" Catholic, nor do I think that makes me a "bad" or "good" person. I'm just me, and I have my beliefs. As far as country singers being accepting of gay fans, I don't really know where I stand there. I don't really feel like any of them "owe us" anything by speaking out on the issue, but I'm also not going to lie - I applaud when they do, especially when, like Carrie, they speak out in favor of the issue. That said, where my favorite artists "stand" on the issue isn't something that I readily think about. (Though, in the next breath, I'd probably be pretty disappointed if, say, Dierks were to speak out against it. So that might be a situation where ignorance might be bliss, ha. At least I'm honest?) And ... a song rec: Dierks - Heaven I'm Headed To. I think it's somewhat appropriate here. I agree. I will freely admit, with age, Ive gotten a bit militant in my views on gay rights. While I applaud Ms Underwood , I really hope any artists that doesn't agree with gay issues kindly keep it to themselves. I am at an age where I'm simply not going to support anyone that actively speaks against gay rights. It may be a double standard on my part, but its the truth. Just last month I cut a supposed friend from my life after she went on a rant about our Presidents stance on equality. Ive known this woman for 20+ years, but I refuse to believe someone can love & respect you while thinking you are somehow less deserving of the same rights & privileges. The religion issue doesnt hold water for me. Your faith should be used to mold yourself.... not everyone else in the world. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 11, 2012 12:23:02 GMT -5
I do agree. I'm perfectly fine with anyone and their beliefs unless those beliefs are to put down other whole groups of people. I've read a lot over the last ten years and have yet to read a single justification against gay rights and gay marriage. It's probably the one issue that I don't believe there can even be two sides to discuss. As far as I'm concerned, it's not up for discussion.
Kudos to Carrie!
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Post by rsmatto on Jun 11, 2012 12:49:35 GMT -5
I think MOST artists (including Brad Paisley) are for everyone being treated fairly. That being said, until an artist comes out of the closet WHILE a big star, there will continue to be a negative perception of homosexuality in the country music world. Not Nashville or the industry itself per se, but in the connotation that the industry (often radio) thinks country music is rural, family-centered, conservative and Christian. That, we know is farther from the truth.
Garth Brooks has LONG been a supporter of equal rights for homosexuals (his sister is a lesbian), Reba and Dolly too. Each of them identifies as Christian like Ryan does but are well aware they also have a huge fan base in the USA that is GAY. In fact many of the most loyal Carrie, Reba, Dolly, Martina, etc artists fans are gay or non-judgmental which is WHAT Jesus taught, not the writers and interpreters of the Bible.
Sadly, there ARE artists out there who are clearly anti-gay, but most of that is because they're uneducated about it or were preached to ad-nausiam about the 'sin' (cause it's easy and gay rights activists aren't hiding). Those same preachers are/would be attacking women's rights too because they want and need procreation from men and women marriages/relationships in order to create more 'soldiers' for their cause. That last line may be jaded but it's pretty damn true.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Jun 11, 2012 13:09:34 GMT -5
I was re-reading this thread & 2shane7 (no longer a member) mentioned that Lorrie Morgan had a song supporting gays? Anybody know anything about that?
Edited: Nevermind, I found it. A song called Rocks. I have the disc but cant remember it. Ill have to dig it up this evening.
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Post by icefire9 on Jun 11, 2012 13:41:19 GMT -5
I'm sure there's at least one country singer that is somewhat gay friendly. (though I doubt they'd advertise it)
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Jun 11, 2012 14:01:39 GMT -5
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Post by ClevelandRox on Jun 11, 2012 14:14:34 GMT -5
Carrie isnt giving the message a supposed Christian should be sending out. She's IMO is leading not only herself, but others down the wrong path with her thoughts on Gay Marriage.  |
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Post by rsmatto on Jun 11, 2012 14:21:35 GMT -5
Carrie isnt giving the message a supposed Christian should be sending out. She's IMO is leading not only herself, but others down the wrong path with her thoughts on Gay Marriage. The Christian thing is to 'love thy neighbor' or if you believe gay stuff is a sin to 'love thy sinner, hate the sin.' Still, preachers pick and choose parts of the bible (they say they follow the new testament - where not much is mentioned of homosexuality) and then they follow leviticus when it comes to 'hating' or using a bully pulpit. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 11, 2012 15:23:36 GMT -5
I formed a website a year or so back that touches on homophobia that might be a bit appropriate. I'm sure most of us can attest to it at some point, even in subtle ways. Some experiences would be greatly appreciated. I'd love for this site to take off and maybe people like our friend ryanroberts can read it and MAYBE, just maybe, be able to somewhat empathize with us a bit. www.closetletter.org |
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Post by ryanroberts on Jun 11, 2012 16:04:45 GMT -5
Listen Up:
First off Id like to say I'm here primarily to discuss country music. Obviously this thread ties in a big issue with that and all I did was give an opinion that differs from the majority of people that have responded. I'd like to say thanks to Matt of roughstock and carriekins for at least being civil. The rest of you really need to review this thread and look at your attitudes towards me and to others that share my opinion. Show tolerance!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2012 16:22:57 GMT -5
Sorry, but you expect them to show tolerance of your opinion when you don't tolerate their beliefs or lifestyle? I am a Christian and I believe strongly in what the Bible teaches, but you cannot take it literally word for word. Otherwise, stop eating shrimp. Oh, and women shouldn't be allowed to speak in churches. I could go on and on and on... Anyway, I believe in what Matt said a couple posts up--that Jesus preached to love everyone. And I think Christians who use the Bible or anything else to put down gays, etc, are on the wrong side of the fence. As a Christian, that's NOT what you should be doing, especially since one of the core principles of Christianity is to share the love of Christ with everyone--basically, treating others (even your enemies) with love and respect. According to Christian beliefs, God also gave people free will. When I was younger (middle school), I used to be opposed to gay marriage and equal rights, but as I have grown in my faith through my high school and college years, I have actually become more accepting of others. I support equal rights now and I think Christians who condemn people who aren't like them are really putting the Christian faith into a bad light. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 11, 2012 16:24:19 GMT -5
I don't think I've been less than civil. I offered the same level of tolerance that has been offered. I don't agree with your lifestyle choice - and yes, your choice of religion is definitely more controllable than my orientation, otherwise, why not simply be gay for a day? I dare you!
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Jun 11, 2012 16:33:37 GMT -5
Listen Up: First off Id like to say I'm here primarily to discuss country music. Obviously this thread ties in a big issue with that and all I did was give an opinion that differs from the majority of people that have responded. I'd like to say thanks to Matt of roughstock and carriekins for at least being civil. The rest of you really need to review this thread and look at your attitudes towards me and to others that share my opinion. Show tolerance! Ah! The ole' show tolerance of my intolerance routine! That one never gets old. I think everyone that has responded has been fairly civil considering you hold an opinion that your particular interpretation of a religious text should be the law of the land. |
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Jun 11, 2012 21:14:32 GMT -5
Sorry, but you expect them to show tolerance of your opinion when you don't tolerate their beliefs or lifestyle? I am a Christian and I believe strongly in what the Bible teaches, but you cannot take it literally word for word. Otherwise, stop eating shrimp. Oh, and women shouldn't be allowed to speak in churches. I could go on and on and on... Anyway, I believe in what Matt said a couple posts up--that Jesus preached to love everyone. And I think Christians who use the Bible or anything else to put down gays, etc, are on the wrong side of the fence. As a Christian, that's NOT what you should be doing, especially since one of the core principles of Christianity is to share the love of Christ with everyone--basically, treating others (even your enemies) with love and respect. According to Christian beliefs, God also gave people free will. When I was younger (middle school), I used to be opposed to gay marriage and equal rights, but as I have grown in my faith through my high school and college years, I have actually become more accepting of others. I support equal rights now and I think Christians who condemn people who aren't like them are really putting the Christian faith into a bad light. I completely agree with everything you've said here jhomes87, especially this part: "I am a Christian and I believe strongly in what the Bible teaches, but you cannot take it literally word for word." It was written a long time ago and culture is much different today than it was then. Much of the original meaning of the Bible was surely lost in the numerous translations as well. And then there is human error that can also be taken into account, since humans wrote the books of the Bible and humans hundreds of years later chose which books made the final cut. So not everything needs to be taken literally in the Bible, in my opinion. I completely agree that since Jesus taught us to love everyone, that that should apply to all people, including homosexuals. Now, I don't think that all Christians need to embrace homosexuals with open arms, because everyone will always have their opinions whether it is "right" or "wrong" (there are still many people out there that think women and blacks don't deserve the rights they've been given), but I do think the hatred, fear, and disdain towards them needs to stop and they need to be treated like normal people because that is what they are. |
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Jun 12, 2012 15:25:46 GMT -5
Listen Up: First off Id like to say I'm here primarily to discuss country music. Obviously this thread ties in a big issue with that and all I did was give an opinion that differs from the majority of people that have responded. I'd like to say thanks to Matt of roughstock and carriekins for at least being civil. The rest of you really need to review this thread and look at your attitudes towards me and to others that share my opinion. Show tolerance! I think the "Show Tolerance!" at the end has to be the funniest thing I've read in a long time. lol and the link was just sad, I read it all and it contradicted itself at one point. lol |
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Post by musicbuff78 on Jun 12, 2012 19:22:44 GMT -5
Although she hasn't charted on the country chart, I thought I would include this link to a vid from Brandi Carlile. (I posted the video to her single that is country sounding in the Country News thread). www.brandicarlile.com/news/music-marriage-equality |
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Post by musicbuff78 on Jun 15, 2012 22:33:38 GMT -5
Chely just posted this on her facebook:
From LeAnn Rimes via Twitter.
LeAnn Rimes Cibrian @leannrimes
I love and support @chelywright. @wishmeawaydoc is an important film. See it any way you can - in theaters, VOD or iTunes."
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Jun 18, 2012 11:27:11 GMT -5
GG is at number 8 this morning and going down. Is it just me or is Carrie the only one that waits a while before releasing the next single. I could be wrong, maybe others do as well. Umm? I think your perhaps lost? LOL |
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Post by jptexas on Jun 18, 2012 11:34:46 GMT -5
^^It would not be the first time.
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Post by Hunter on Jun 18, 2012 11:40:15 GMT -5
Sara Evans tweeted not too long ago about how awesome some songwriter was in Nashville. And, come to find out, he's on that show Girls Who Like Boys Who Like Boys. So I'd definitely say she wasn't ashamed!
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