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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 29, 2013 17:42:08 GMT -5
Blame the record company for not getting this in an advertisement or doing more to make this song happen. If they had gotten this song to hit they could be living off them for at least another two albums. This was on two different TV commercials late last year and early this year. It wasn't on pop radio back then. No matter how you slice it. Their record company blew it. |
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Post by velaxti on Sept 29, 2013 17:45:11 GMT -5
And although record labels can send out sync teams to suggest songs to companies to use in their advertisements, they can't outright force a company to use one of their songs. So even if a song hasn't been used in any adverts or TV shows, we don't know that they haven't tried.
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Post by surreallife on Sept 29, 2013 18:26:35 GMT -5
Meh, I don't think they really answered the question... HOT STUFF Jack Adams @jackzakalump @gthot20 How does the Hot 100's point system work? Hi Jack, With Miley Cyrus at No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 with "Wrecking Ball," a song with some of the greatest buzz for a video in quite a while, it seems like a good time for a refresher on how the Hot 100 is tabulated, doesn't it? As we wrote in January when YouTube data was added to the Hot 100's equation: "Generally speaking, our Hot 100 formula targets a ratio of sales (35-45%), airplay (30-40%) and streaming (20-30%)." Of course, that's an overall target for 100 songs each week. That mark can change week-to-week. This week, though, the Hot 100 breaks down in line with the formula's intent: sales, 39%; airplay, 34%; and, streaming, 27%. And, week-to-week, some songs show largely along those percentages, while others skew noticeably toward any of the chart's three metrics. Let's look at a few, starting with "Wrecking Ball." This week, points for the Hot 100's leader stem 50% from streaming, 43% from sales and just 7% from radio airplay. No surprise: the song drew a whopping 14.3 million U.S. streams in the chart's tracking week, according to Nielsen BDS. (The No. 2-streamed song, Katy Perry's "Roar," garnered 7.3 million.) "Ball" ranks at No. 3 on Digital Songs with 301,000 downloads sold, according to Nielsen SoundScan. Conversely, as airplay for "Ball" is just beginning, its low Hot 100 points percentage reflects its No. 31 spot on Radio Songs (via 38 million all-format audience impressions, according to BDS). Last week, which reflected the first week of streaming following the song's video premiere, the Hot 100 ratio for "Ball" was even more streaming-driven: 64%, streaming; 34%, sales; 2%, airplay. The cut's monster 36.5 million U.S. streams in the chart's tracking period produced the high percentage. Perry's new digital single "Dark Horse," featuring Juicy J, meanwhile, has been released as a teaser track from her album "Prism," due Oct. 22. It's not being promoted to radio and has no official videoclip. Thus, as it debuts on the Hot 100 at No. 17, an almost monopolizing 99% of its points are from sales; it sold 194,000 downloads in its opening week, good for a No. 4 start on the Digital Songs chart. The more established "Roar" (No. 2 on the Hot 100), which has been promoted to radio for close to two months and has been accepted at mainstream and adult top 40 and adult contemporary, lines up much closer to the Hot 100's average ratio: 43%, sales; 31%, airplay; 26%, streaming. It's No. 1 on Radio Songs (159 million) and No. 2 on Digital Songs (301,000) and Streaming Songs (7.3 million). Another hit, like Cyrus', due mostly to streaming, and even more so? Ylvis' novelty track "The Fox," which makes tracks running 25-13 as the Hot 100's top Streaming Gainer this week. With it at No. 3 on Streaming Songs (7.1 million), 75% of its Hot 100 points are from streams. Almost the rest of its sum is from sales; it debuts at No. 22 on Digital Songs with 60,000 in its first week. The song sports almost no airplay, although that could change now that Warner Bros. has begun promoting it to pop radio. And, a song driven largely by airplay? Maroon 5's "Love Somebody," at No. 26 after peaking at No. 10, shows 67% of its points thanks to radio, with 19% from sales and 13% from streaming. As a fourth single from an album that's been available for a year, it's logical that sales and streaming lag behind the song's activity at radio, with the band a consistent presence at pop and adult formats long after the buzz of an album release. It ranks at No. 11 on Radio Songs and No. 59 on Digital Songs (while ranking just inside the 100 most streamed songs of the week). A formula of 10:1 for sales, 7,500:1 for airplay and 405:1 for streaming approximates the results for "Wrecking Ball" and "Roar" on the Oct. 5th HOT 100. Not sure if it works for any of the other weeks. The streaming weighting fluctuates each week depending on the split a song has between on-demand and passive streaming. |
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Post by chartfreak on Sept 29, 2013 19:08:39 GMT -5
^As noted before, iTunes is the only source for video sales, it looks, and if they were released, then iTunes' exact sales would be known. Apparently, iTunes does not want that. But, back in the day, when there were singles exclusive to iTunes, those numbers were known- at the same time, though, sales were much less back then. I also suspect that sales for videos on iTunes aren't all that high, at least when compared to albums and tracks. I don't get the whole "Itunes doesn't want sales to be known" if they combine the sales with digital the only people that would know is Soundscan. |
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Post by Rocky on Sept 29, 2013 19:29:02 GMT -5
1. Royals - 328,000
2. Roar - 256,000
3. Wrecking Ball - 234,000
4. Wake Me Up - 206,000
5. Hold On, We're Going Home - 187,000
6. Applause - 148,000
7. Berzerk - 146,000
8. Dark Horse - 129,000
9. Holy Grail - 106,000
10. All Me - 3136 - 103,000
That's My Kind Of Night - 95,000
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 29, 2013 20:51:19 GMT -5
Video sales are different than digital sales; hence, Billboard probably wouldn't combine them. Just as there remains a Singles Sales chart, even though those sales are tiny.
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Post by imbondz on Sept 29, 2013 22:49:52 GMT -5
Since they started counting video views as chart points, doesn't make sense not to count video sales as chart points.
You can watch the video, then yes that counts towards billboard, but buy that same video, no no it's a completely different medium that has nothing to do with the music.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 29, 2013 23:07:10 GMT -5
It's only a matter if time before they are counted. Roar is #1 btw, lol.
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Sept 30, 2013 0:56:06 GMT -5
1. Royals - 328,000 2. Roar - 256,000 3. Wrecking Ball - 234,000 4. Wake Me Up - 206,000 5. Hold On, We're Going Home - 187,000 6. Applause - 148,000 7. Berzerk - 146,000 8. Dark Horse - 129,000 9. Holy Grail - 106,000 10. All Me - 3136 - 103,000 That's My Kind Of Night - 95,000 Yeah these sales just prove royals will get number one instead of peaking at 3 like most other alternative songs |
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Post by velaxti on Sept 30, 2013 10:07:04 GMT -5
Since they started counting video views as chart points, doesn't make sense not to count video sales as chart points. You can watch the video, then yes that counts towards billboard, but buy that same video, no no it's a completely different medium that has nothing to do with the music. Well, the video views they count are streams, not sales. Also, most of the views from Youtube probably aren't actually music videos. I know what you mean though. |
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Post by Rocky on Sept 30, 2013 12:32:06 GMT -5
1. KATY PERRY – Roar: 211.456 (+ 1.200)
2. ROBIN THICKE – Blurred Lines f/Pharrell & T.I: 175.820 (- 1.844)
3. JAY Z – Holy Grail f/Justin Timberlake: 164.760 (+ 0.858)
4. LORDE – Royals: 148.439 (+ 4.336) ▲
5. DRAKE – Hold On We’re Going Home: 147.454 (+ 2.069) ▼
6. CAPITAL CITIES – Safe And Sound: 141.322 (- 1.685)
7. AVICII – Wake Me Up: 136.225 (+ 3.153)
8. LANA DEL REY – Summertime Sadness: 125.374 (+ 0.656)
9. LADY GAGA – Applause: 99.415 (+ 1.094)
10. MAROON 5 – Love Somebody: 86.024 (- 1.357)
11. ZEDD – Clarity f/Foxes: 82.311 (- 1.597)
12. JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE – Mirrors: 80.380 (- 0.812)
13. IMAGINE DRAGONS – Radioactive: 79.675 (- 0.312)
14. J. COLE – Crooked Smile f/TLC: 74.907 (+ 0.015)
15. DAFT PUNK – Get Lucky: 68.116 (- 0.942)
16. JASON ALDEAN – Night Train: 67.411 (- 0.009) ▲
17. MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS – Same Love f/Mary Lambert: 66.042 (- 1.702) ▼
18. PHILLIP PHILLIPS – Gone, Gone, Gone: 65.273 (- 0.401)
19. BRUNO MARS – Treasure: 65.190 (- 0.284)
20. ANNA KENDRICK – Cups (Pitch Perfect’s When…: 64.521 (- 0.675)
BILLY CURRINGTON – Hey Girl: 61.504 (- 0.133)
THOMAS RHETT – It Goes Like This: 60.598 (+ 0.448)
LUKE BRYAN – That’s My Kind Of Night: 59.775 (- 0.039)
MILEY CYRUS – Wrecking Ball: 57.566 (+ 2.375)
PARAMORE – Still Into You: 55.420 (+ 1.213)
TAYLOR SWIFT – Everything Has …f/Ed Sheeran: 51.818 (+ 0.531)
ROBIN THICKE – Give It 2 U f/Kendrick Lamar: 51.328 (+ 1.118)
BRUNO MARS – Gorilla: 48.087 (+ 1.450)
CHRIS BROWN – Love More f/Nicki Minaj: 46.454 (+ 0.745)
BLAKE SHELTON – Mine Would Be You: 46.211 (+ 0.194)
PINK – True Love f/Lily Allen: 46.198 (+ 0.582)
EMINEM – Berzerk: 39.376 (+ 0.503)
IMAGINE DRAGONS – Demons: 37.923 (+ 1.251)
SELENA GOMEZ – Slow Down: 34.482 (+ 0.947)
BRITNEY SPEARS – Work Bitch: 31.583 (+ 1.227)
KEITH URBAN & MIRANDA LAMBERT – We Were Us: 30.603 (+ 1.005)
ONEREPUBLIC – Counting Stars: 27.544 (+ 0.899)
PASSENGER – Let Her Go: 23.344 (+ 0.602)
JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE – TKO: 20.585 (+ 2.225)
TEGAN & SARA – Closer: 20.404 (+ 0.152)
MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS – White Walls f/ScHoolboy Q: 18.181 (+ 0.065)
ARIANA GRANDE – Right There f/Big Sean: 14.874 (+ 0.840)
BASTILLE – Pompeii: 10.693 (+ 0.212)
RIHANNA – What Now: 7.476 (+ 0.658)
KILLERS – Shot At The Night: 2.575 (+ 0.098)
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 30, 2013 12:39:15 GMT -5
We should be grateful we get anything. There was a time we got nothing for weeks and weeks.
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Post by Rocky on Sept 30, 2013 13:22:11 GMT -5
We should be grateful we get anything. There was a time we got nothing for weeks and weeks. Okaaaay. I wasn't here then, so I can complain. |
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Post by imbondz on Sept 30, 2013 16:03:36 GMT -5
I think everything should count towards the charts. If you sing live on tv say on The Grammys, then whatever Nielsen ratings are for the show should count towards airplay. lol.
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Post by jj99$ - - LeLe on Sept 30, 2013 16:27:09 GMT -5
I think everything should count towards the charts. If you sing live on tv say on The Grammys, then whatever Nielsen ratings are for the show should count towards airplay. lol. LOL... That would be a total Mess. Imagine the points a song would gain during a typical Album release week. Firework would have ruled the charts. |
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Post by Rocky on Sept 30, 2013 16:32:29 GMT -5
I think everything should count towards the charts. If you sing live on tv say on The Grammys, then whatever Nielsen ratings are for the show should count towards airplay. lol. Include album sales on the Hot 100!  |
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Post by jj99$ - - LeLe on Sept 30, 2013 16:37:24 GMT -5
What about Last.fm Scrobbles. LOL
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Post by Rodze on Sept 30, 2013 20:44:45 GMT -5
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Post by velaxti on Sept 30, 2013 20:54:48 GMT -5
I think everything should count towards the charts. If you sing live on tv say on The Grammys, then whatever Nielsen ratings are for the show should count towards airplay. lol. Include album sales on the Hot 100! In a way that already sort of happens. Not with sales, but the streaming used for the Hot 100 accounts for both song streams and album streams. So like when you stream an album, it counts to the Hot 100 (for each of the individual songs), not the album chart. Maybe in 10 years time when sales are lower and streaming is higher, on a week when a big album is released the entire album will chart on the Hot 100. Kind of like what happened with Mumford & Sons last year but more extreme. |
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Post by imbondz on Sept 30, 2013 22:50:26 GMT -5
anytime a song is even mentioned on the internet it gets a point towards the Hot 100.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 30, 2013 23:00:33 GMT -5
Ewww NO! Could you imagine when a divas song isn't catching with the general public? On this board the thread count goes from the usual 100 pages to like 300pages
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Post by Glove Slap on Sept 30, 2013 23:10:49 GMT -5
What were the AI peaks of Locked Out Of Heaven and When I Was Your Man?
Those are the tracks I remember (the former for sure) reaching around this much without Urban support like Roar.
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Post by Old-school 72 on Oct 1, 2013 0:19:51 GMT -5
I really wish a male artist would knock some of these B**ches from top radio play. and sales. The only thing even close is a hip hop artist who sucks, or I should say 2 .
Then there is Avicii who should have already been #1 like 2 weeks ago but people have no real taste in America. Even Justin Timberlake can't get top airlay or sales . This country is goin to hell in a handbasket when it comes to musical taste.
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Post by Duca on Oct 1, 2013 5:59:58 GMT -5
1. KATY PERRY – Roar: 212.887 (+1.431)
2. ROBIN THICKE – Blurred Lines f/Pharrell & T.I: 173.386 (-2.434)
3. JAY Z – Holy Grail f/Justin Timberlake: 166.378 (+1.618)
4. LORDE – Royals: 153.640 (+5.201)
5. DRAKE – Hold On We’re Going Home: 149.244 (+1.790)
6. AVICII – Wake Me Up: 139.879 (+3.654) ▲
7. CAPITAL CITIES – Safe And Sound: 139.851 (-1.471) ▼
8. LANA DEL REY – Summertime Sadness: 125.157 (-0.217)
9. LADY GAGA – Applause: 100.782 (+1.367)
10. MAROON 5 – Love Somebody: 83.746 (-2.278)
11. ZEDD – Clarity f/Foxes: 80.651 (-1.660)
12. JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE – Mirrors: 80.030 (-0.350)
13. IMAGINE DRAGONS – Radioactive: 78.965 (-0.710)
14. J. COLE – Crooked Smile f/TLC: 74.811 (-0.096)
15. DAFT PUNK – Get Lucky: 67.275 (-0.841)
16. JASON ALDEAN – Night Train: 67.221 (-0.190)
17. BRUNO MARS – Treasure: 64.967 (-0.223) ▲
18. PHILLIP PHILLIPS – Gone, Gone, Gone: 64.485 (-0.788)
19. ANNA KENDRICK – Cups (Pitch Perfect’s When…: 63.999 (-0.522) ▲
20. MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS – Same Love f/Mary Lambert: 62.934 (-3.108) ▼
BILLY CURRINGTON – Hey Girl: 61.825 (+0.321)
THOMAS RHETT – It Goes Like This: 61.156 (+0.558)
TYLER FARR – Redneck Crazy: 60.241
LUKE BRYAN – That’s My Kind Of Night: 59.959 (+0.184)
MILEY CYRUS – Wrecking Ball: 59.380 (+1.814)
PARAMORE – Still Into You: 55.882 (+0.462)
TAYLOR SWIFT – Everything Has …f/Ed Sheeran: 52.299 (+0.481)
ROBIN THICKE – Give It 2 U f/Kendrick Lamar: 51.825 (+0.497)
BRUNO MARS – Gorilla: 49.335 (+1.248)
CHRIS BROWN – Love More f/Nicki Minaj: 47.573 (+1.119)
BLAKE SHELTON – Mine Would Be You: 47.287 (+1.076)
PINK – True Love f/Lily Allen: 46.910 (+0.712)
EMINEM – Berzerk: 39.413 (+0.037)
IMAGINE DRAGONS – Demons: 39.181 (+1.258)
SELENA GOMEZ – Slow Down: 35.560 (+1.078)
BRITNEY SPEARS – Work Bitch: 32.382 (+0.799)
KEITH URBAN & MIRANDA LAMBERT – We Were Us: 31.307 (+0.704)
ONEREPUBLIC – Counting Stars: 28.168 (+0.624)
PASSENGER – Let Her Go: 23.835 (+0.491)
JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE – TKO: 22.974 (+2.389)
FUTURE – Honest: 22.492
TEGAN & SARA – Closer: 20.540 (+0.136)
MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS – White Walls f/ScHoolboy Q: 18.607 (+0.426)
ARIANA GRANDE – Right There f/Big Sean: 15.207 (+0.333)
BASTILLE – Pompeii: 10.737 (+0.044)
RIHANNA – What Now: 8.178 (+0.702)
KILLERS – Shot At The Night: 2.585 (+0.010)
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Post by Rodze on Oct 1, 2013 6:20:10 GMT -5
I really wish a male artist would knock some of these B**ches from top radio play. and sales. The only thing even close is a hip hop artist who sucks, or I should say 2 . Then there is Avicii who should have already been #1 like 2 weeks ago but people have no real taste in America. Even Justin Timberlake can't get top airlay or sales . This country is goin to hell in a handbasket when it comes to musical taste. This is a joke, right? I don't get the reference. Is it funny? |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Oct 1, 2013 6:42:57 GMT -5
Males dominated all summer long, off with their heads. Im glad the divas are back!!
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 1, 2013 7:08:23 GMT -5
Jay-Z/JT, Drake and Avicii aren't exactly female, ya know. ;)
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Post by Glove Slap on Oct 1, 2013 7:09:53 GMT -5
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Post by josh on Oct 1, 2013 7:39:58 GMT -5
I wonder if Holy Grail will sneak in a day or two at #2 or if it will be passed by "Royals" first.
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Post by Rocky on Oct 1, 2013 7:59:54 GMT -5
I wonder if Holy Grail will sneak in a day or two at #2 or if it will be passed by "Royals" first. If "Holy Grail" will get 1M+ updates for the next two days it will pass "Blurred Lines" the day after tomorrow. If that happens (the 1M+ updates for HG) then "Royals" needs 4 days to pass it. So mathematically yes. So it should be tomorrow:#2 Blurred Lines #3 HG #4 Royals Thurdays update#2 HG #3 Blurred Lines #4 Royals Friday update#2 HG #3 Royals #4 Blurred Lines Saturday update#2 Royals #3 HG #4 Hold On, We're Going Home - maybe? |
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