Love4Shania
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Post by Love4Shania on Jun 2, 2005 9:29:52 GMT -5
Please the quality of songs Tim picks for his albums are 1 million times better than them stupid little ditty's that Shania writes are maybe the kids on her block write. Tim is awesome in concert, singing. He will be in the Hall of Fame one day, Shania will never get in them doors. Shania is a joke that can't sing, can't write and even her talking voice is so squeaky. A joke. Obviously not seeing how more people buy Shania's albums then they do Tim's. Tim may be in the country hall of fame one day but Shania has already marked her place in the music hall of fame seeing how Come On Over is the biggest selling album ever by a female artist and one of the best selling albums of all time, right up there with Thriller, Eagles GH, Back In Black and Led Zeppelin IV. As far as performing goes, Tim is known for not being all that great a singer, Shania is one of the greatest entertainers on the planet and can sing very well live. Shania's tours are also a hell of a lot more successful then Tim's and as far as writing goes, Shania is one of the most original and charasmatic songwriters of our time. More people will remember Shania's songs then they will Tim's, millions of people even get married to Shania's music.
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Post by Marv on Jun 2, 2005 11:45:36 GMT -5
I don't know if Ms. Twain can get back to where she was from a chart-performance standpoint 7 or 8 years ago, or up into the stratosphere where Tim is now, but neither one of them will be disappearing from country radio anytime soon.
That is especially true for McGraw, who's battling Kenny Chesney AGAIN for being the most-played artist of 2005, although I do expect Kenny to make it two years in a row after dethroning Toby Keith.
Given the stranglehold that Tim has had on the charts over the past decade, he appears to be just geetting started, even after 23 #1 singles since 1994.
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Post by JimColyer on Jun 3, 2005 21:40:45 GMT -5
I am still looking for the date Shania will appear with Larry King. Also, I am wondering if she and Mutt will do another album.
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Post by drock89 on Jun 3, 2005 23:00:12 GMT -5
LKL has been postponed forever, no date yet, if there ever wil be one.
I'm not getting in on the debate here, I am just going to state that while I love PFT, D!, and IANQ, Shania hasn't produced a catalouge hit (Any Man Of Mine, You're Still the One, etc) since Forever and For Always, or alteast, if there are more on UP, they weren't released.
Party for Two actually still gets a lot of local play: by that I mean that individual markets still spin it a lot, but it isn't a huge, nation-wide frenzy.
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Post by drock89 on Jun 4, 2005 10:32:14 GMT -5
Billboard, May 21, 2005 p46.
Shania Twain: I Ain't No Quitter. by Chuck Taylor
Shania Twain goes for broke on the third new track from "Greatest Hits" with a song that tries so hard to be country, you suspect that Twain means it. "I Ain't No Quitter" was obviously designed for the dancefloor with its playful pace, generous use of a giddy steel guitar and a video in which Twain all but provides a step-by-step tutorial. Even the lyric conjures classic country: "He drinks, he smokes, he'll cuss, he tells bad jokes/He's a boozer, a loser." Whether convinced or not that Twain is still honestly invested in her country roots, the song is catchy as all get out, while winking in the face of a classic country theme. It's an appreciable effort that should sparkle on the summer airwaves. Go to it, girl.
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Post by Free2Bme on Jun 4, 2005 12:36:36 GMT -5
Maybe so, however, Shania should have an asterisk by her name due to the fact that 'Come on Over' was produced in multiple formats/genres in order to appeal/sell to the masses. Shania can not rightfully be called the biggest selling "Country" ONLY artist. And, her diehard fans have no plausable argument against that fact. ...Shania has already marked her place in the music hall of fame seeing how Come On Over is the biggest selling album ever by a female artist and one of the best selling albums of all time, right up there with Thriller, Eagles GH, Back In Black and Led Zeppelin IV.
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Post by Free2Bme on Jun 4, 2005 12:47:53 GMT -5
attitude - yes .... which is why she can't be taken seriously. That +plus+ the childish rhyming lyrics she throws together. charisma in her voice - not really "godly" stage presence - no - more like "self centered" ..... she has everything from attitude to charisma in her voice and godly stage presence.
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Post by Free2Bme on Jun 4, 2005 12:52:54 GMT -5
And deservedly so. Everything about this song from the lyrics, the arrangement, the weak lifeless vocal, the production, and the raunchy video is pure crapola! Wow, this might miss the Top 40 altogether.
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Post by Free2Bme on Jun 4, 2005 13:04:17 GMT -5
True.... very true. With that said - With the apparent failure of Shania's attempt at producing a real country-ish song - I wonder what direction Shania will go with her new album? Take a look at her last 3 releases: Party For Two Don't! Quitter All three songs are very different from each other. Was she testing the market to see which direction she wants to go? Since PFT was the most successful of the 3 songs - Will she release an album full of mindless pop dittys? Or,, will it be an album full of lifeless ballads such as 'Don't!'? Whatever she decides, whichever direction she takes it - I'm almost certain we have seen the last of Shania's attempts at "proving to be country". .... the marketing slogan "Country and proving it" proved not to be true. While the song may be country-ish, being country-ish doesn't mean it is automatically good. That is comparible to saying all good country songs are country and all the bad ones aren't country.
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Post by drock89 on Jun 4, 2005 13:37:11 GMT -5
Crazy how a woman[/i] with no radio hits[/i] can outsell[/i] most of Nashville's glorified men that have huge radio hits, the exception being only to Tim and Kenny..
Also crazy how, if she was testing the market, that country radio told her that they don't want her traditional sound and that she should release more pop dittys. Tells you alot about country radio eh?
I am almost certain this is not the last attempt from Shania. She enjoyed writing totally different material and wants to go in a new direction with the new album-she has mentioned traditional, acoustic, duets, covers....
She should just do what her little heart desires. She has proven since day one that she doesn't need radio to sell and that's what she's famous for.
Anyway, this thread is about "I Ain't No Quitter" and with the continued bickering I'm sure an eager TCorey will shut this thread down. There are many more like it on this forum, just search and enjoy. We don't need to go over this everytime Shania does something.
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Post by whizzo on Jun 4, 2005 15:12:28 GMT -5
The video is fun, I love this old country swing style!
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Post by Love4Shania on Jun 4, 2005 16:22:40 GMT -5
Maybe so, however, Shania should have an asterisk by her name due to the fact that 'Come on Over' was produced in multiple formats/genres in order to appeal/sell to the masses. Shania can not rightfully be called the biggest selling "Country" ONLY artist. And, her diehard fans have no plausable argument against that fact. ...Shania has already marked her place in the music hall of fame seeing how Come On Over is the biggest selling album ever by a female artist and one of the best selling albums of all time, right up there with Thriller, Eagles GH, Back In Black and Led Zeppelin IV. I guess Thriller, Led Zeppelin IV, Eagles GH, Back In Black etc should also have an asterisk by their name too seeing how they sold so much due to being re-released and remastered during the area of the Vinyl-Cassette-CD transition whereas Come On Over sold purely on CD alone. Btw Shania can be called the biggest selling country female because she IS the biggest selling country female. Wake up, open your eyes and face the facts instead of trying to defame her success, maybe then you will realize how thin your argument is. Anyway judging by all the comments you posted you are just another basher who doesn't know what he is talking about, if Shania doesn't interest you then do all her fans a favour and leave this topic. You are wasting your own time.
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Post by kyhomeg on Jun 4, 2005 21:35:32 GMT -5
I don't care if she sells a BILLION records, I don't buy them and NEVER will. She hasn't made one dime off me, for her CD.s concert tickets or time. Her UP album was all marketing, remember the blue, red, green, how crazy was that.
Her days of being a big seller are done. I don't see her EVER having another diamond album. Her GH has only sold just over 3 million and is in the bottom top 20 on the country album charts. With this the last new release from the album and it is failing, it may be years before she reaches 4 million on her GH if ever.
Her biggest problem she can't sing and her songs are medicore at best.
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Post by Love4Shania on Jun 4, 2005 22:38:39 GMT -5
I don't care if she sells a BILLION records, I don't buy them and NEVER will. She hasn't made one dime off me, for her CD.s concert tickets or time. Ok, you have established that you don't like her...how many more times do we need to hear your "opinion"? Btw if Shania wasn't worth your time then you wouldn't have even posted in this thread in the first place. Her UP album was all marketing, remember the blue, red, green, how crazy was that. It wasn't marketing, the multiple disks were just an original concept in the art of being creative with ideas. If it was for the marketing then Shania would have either sold each disk seperatly or she would have charged double for the album but Up! was priced as a single disk CD regardless of there being 2 versions in the package. Her days of being a big seller are done. I don't see her EVER having another diamond album. Her GH has only sold just over 3 million and is in the bottom top 20 on the country album charts. With this the last new release from the album and it is failing, it may be years before she reaches 4 million on her GH if ever. Most of that is just twisted and wrong. www.ifpi.org/site-content/press/20050322.html
Eight albums sold more than 5 million in 2004, up from five in 2003: they were: Confessions, Usher; Feels Like Home, Norah Jones; Encore, Eminem; How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb, U2; Under My Skin, Avril Lavigne; Greatest Hits, Robbie Williams; Greatest Hits, Shania Twain; Destiny Fulfilled, Destiny’s ChildShania's GH has already moved over 5 million units in 2004 and that is from only 1 months worth of sales. Even today Shania is one of the biggest selling artists around. People like you really need to start looking at the big picture instead of being blinded by the political curtain because Shania is one of the few backbone artists keeping the record industry alive. As far as sales in the US go, Shania's GH will hit 4 Million, it has already sold extremely well despite lack of promotion and airplay...and the fact that it is a Greatest Hits album. Besides, Shania's GH will become her top selling catalog album from now on. Even Come On Over to this day is still selling over 350K per year so there is a sign of how great Shania's longevity is. Even if Shania doesn't score another diamond...so what? She is already the only artist to have 3 consecutive diamonds and is 1 of only 6 artists to EVER have an album hit double diamond. Why you even brought up diamonds is beyond me because it's not like your beloved Tim Mcgraw has any diamond awards to brag about. Her biggest problem she can't sing and her songs are medicore at best. I think the millions of fans will be the judge of that, not some random Internet user abusing their right of having a "voice". Shania can sing...I don't even know where you keep pulling that prejudice dilusion from, you even said you haven't been to a Shania concert before so what would you know? If Shania's music was "mediocre at best" then she wouldn't sell millions of albums. Shania doesn't use violence, publicity stunts or the over use of sex to sell her music, people buy her albums for the songs on them and she is one of the best and most original female artists to ever grace music.
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Post by drock89 on Jun 4, 2005 23:18:02 GMT -5
You can never argue quality, never never never!! Those against Shania never figure that out! This board, just Country, and one other just can't get that.
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Post by JimColyer on Jun 5, 2005 12:32:04 GMT -5
Shania Twain and Mutt Lange have made some of the best records ever. Their songs are excellent and so are their productions. They took Nashville to a new level. They are UP! there with The Beatles.
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Post by Zazie on Jun 5, 2005 23:23:50 GMT -5
Shania Twain and Mutt Lange have made some of the best records ever. Their songs are excellent and so are their productions. They took Nashville to a new level. They are UP! there with The Beatles. I've got to hand it to you for the comparison. I'd always been limited to the automatic comparisons of Shania with Nat King Cole and Sinatra, but there was always something missing. But once you got the Beatles in there -- the Stones wouldn't have worked at all -- everything became clear. Good luck, Jim, in all your future endeavors.
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Post by bamafan2102 on Jun 6, 2005 0:00:48 GMT -5
Isn't Jim Colyer the guy that wrote Save the Planet? ;) ;)
No offense, Shania is no Beatles. Her music has almost stirred up as much controversy. Don't forget that I LOVE Shania and will buy anything that she puts out but PLEASE stop defending her everytime someone says "She can't sing", "She can't write". Let her album sells speak for themselves. IT SPEAKS FOR IT SELF!!!! MILLIONS OF ALBUMS SOLD DON"T LIE!!!!. Someone had to buy these cds!!!!!
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Post by kyhomeg on Jun 6, 2005 4:55:42 GMT -5
Her last week sales:
82.(on Billboard Top 200) GREATEST HITS (by Shania Twain) 29 wks, sal: 14,000(-7%) / 3,044,600 total sales.
With her selling only 14,000 last week it will take her awhile to reach 4 million, well over a year or more.
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Post by drock89 on Jun 6, 2005 7:15:15 GMT -5
Her last week sales: 82.(on Billboard Top 200) GREATEST HITS (by Shania Twain) 29 wks, sal: 14,000(-7%) / 3,044,600 total sales. With her selling only 14,000 last week it will take her awhile to reach 4 million, well over a year or more. Which is better than Toby's GH sales, George's sales, etc etc.
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Post by kyhomeg on Jun 6, 2005 11:33:50 GMT -5
Yes it is, but I wasn't comparing her to other artist, only her previous sales. That is why I say her days a being a huge seller(diamond) are over.
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Post by drock89 on Jun 6, 2005 11:53:33 GMT -5
Yes it is, but I wasn't comparing her to other artist, only her previous sales. That is why I say her days a being a huge seller(diamond) are over. Really? Can you find out for me how long it took the Eagles GH to sell 20 million? I believe it was around 20 some years. So should you still have interest in Shania please come back and find me in 20 years and if it isn't diamond by then, then I will conceide to you.
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Post by Love4Shania on Jun 6, 2005 13:05:20 GMT -5
Her last week sales: 82.(on Billboard Top 200) GREATEST HITS (by Shania Twain) 29 wks, sal: 14,000(-7%) / 3,044,600 total sales. With her selling only 14,000 last week it will take her awhile to reach 4 million, well over a year or more. Shania may be stuck in a slight dry spell now but her GH will get a huge boost around Christmas and other holiday times....and whenever she releases future studio albums too. You seem to be forgetting that this is a Greatest Hits album, not a studio album. Studio albums usually burn out after about a year (with a few exceptions, such as Come On Over) whereas Greatest Hits albums are designed for longevity and are big catalog sellers. 3 Million units sold in only 6 months for a Greatest Hits album is quite remarkable. When was the last time a Greatest Hits album was this successful? ...probably back when The Beatles #1's was released because Shania has aleady left the GH albums from Guns N' Roses, Toby Keith, Britney etc. in the dust.
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Post by kyhomeg on Jun 6, 2005 13:06:58 GMT -5
You can argue all you want but Eagles GH is classic music and Shania's is pop dribble. I 100% believe Shania's days as a big seller are DONE. She had her last diamond with Up and the way she did that is sneaky and not a true diamond in many's opinion.
She is nearing 40, country music sorry is hard on women when they hit that 40 number. Shania is also no Eagles in any way and don't even begin to compare to them. I say give it up , go to your castle and raise your child.
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Post by Love4Shania on Jun 6, 2005 13:14:00 GMT -5
Yes it is, but I wasn't comparing her to other artist, only her previous sales. That is why I say her days a being a huge seller(diamond) are over. Really? Can you find out for me how long it took the Eagles GH to sell 20 million? I believe it was around 20 some years. So should you still have interest in Shania please come back and find me in 20 years and if it isn't diamond by then, then I will conceide to you. Closer to 30 years actually. ;) It was released in 1976 and didn't even hit Diamond until 1990...the main reason why The Eagles GH, Thriller, Back In Black etc even sold as much as they did is because they benefitted greatly off the transition from vinyl.
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Post by Love4Shania on Jun 6, 2005 13:22:12 GMT -5
You can argue all you want but Eagles GH is classic music and Shania's is pop dribble. I 100% believe Shania's days as a big seller are DONE. She had her last diamond with Up and the way she did that is sneaky and not a true diamond in many's opinion. She is nearing 40, country music sorry is hard on women when they hit that 40 number. Shania is also no Eagles in any way and don't even begin to compare to them. I say give it up , go to your castle and raise your child. riiiight... Typical statement by someone who probably can't even name 10 Eagles songs without using a search engine. Btw don't say people can't compare them....I can and will, Shania is better then the Eagles in every way shape and form, they are boring.
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Post by drock89 on Jun 6, 2005 13:56:39 GMT -5
Let's drop it. Kyhomeg: you aren't going to win arguing Shania's sales. And I don't believe in arguing quality because there is no right or wrong answer.
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Post by bamafan2102 on Jun 6, 2005 14:31:20 GMT -5
Btw don't say people can't compare them....I can and will, Shania is better then the Eagles in every way shape and form, they are boring.
How old are you??? You have to be young to make a statement like that.
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Post by reidster on Jun 6, 2005 14:52:08 GMT -5
Shania's greatest hits was the biggest ever first-week selling of a country greatest hits album. Second in all genres to only the beatles. That speaks for itself.
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Post by kyhomeg on Jun 6, 2005 15:38:01 GMT -5
Tim's GH is nearing 5 million in sales and it was 100% a GH album that is something you can't say about Shania's, Toby. Kenny's or Alan or any others. What makes his a 100% GH because he didn't have to put ANY news song on his to entice people to buy it that made have already had his other albums.
So when you get down to it, Tim's is way more a GH album than Shania's, she had to add three news song to hers. YOU WILL NEVER know what it would of sold without them new hits, now will you.
NOt only is Tim's nearing 5 million, it was the #1 Billboard Country Catalog album for the year in 2004 and 2003, and the first two years of its release it spent over a year in the Top 10 of the country album charts, Shania's is #17 this week. In fact them first 2 YEARS IT NEVER fell out of the Top 20. Also Tim's GH was the best selling country album of 2001 by Billboard.
It is 2005(album came out in 2000) and it is still #2 on the Country catlog chart and in the top 15 on the pop catalog chart.
HE DID ALL THIS WITH NO NEW SONGS, THAT REALLY MAKES IT A GH.
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