Billboard Hot 100 : 10/19/2013

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Oct 9, 2013 23:23:39 GMT -5 @jazzysoul47 said:

"Heartbreaker" got into the Top 5 on iTunes within an hour of the chart deadline.

That's called being relevant.

[renfield75]

Oct 9, 2013 22:45:23 GMT -5 @jazzysoul47 said:

Are cases like "Gone" treated as active streaming? I kind of disagree with that, because if people are watching a video and a song is in the background, it's possible they're watching the video for the content of the video and not for the song itself. That's like hearing a song on a streaming playlist because the playlist interested you, not because you actively sought out the song. It becomes a challenge to determine peoples' intentions based on video content though. In this case, I think the creators' controversial way of quitting her job is what got peoples' attention, not the Kanye song itself. Kanye's song was part of the way she quit though, so how can anyone make the determination of whether people were listening to the song actively or passively? It's messy.

That was sort of the point I was making before. People sought out "The Fox" and "Wrecking Ball", while they may have seen that video with "Gone" and not even realized (or cared) what song they heard in the background for 100 seconds. If Billboard is just determining the chart based on what people kinda heard during the week, then why wouldn't the 10 million people who heard "Baby Blue" on Breaking Bad count? That's a quantifiable number of an audience for a song, which translated into a much bigger sales bump than "Gone" received. Or put another way, if 15 million people watched that finale scene of Breaking Bad on Youtube, would Badfinger be back in the top 20? It gets confusing.

As you said, it's messy and I don't envy Billboard trying to sort all this out as we move forward with new platforms for music consumption.

[imbondz]

soooo dumb. fun song, but is not the 18th biggest song in the country right now. billboard needs to figure out the youtube thing if they want to be truthful and as exact as possible in representing the top songs of the week. Was that video even the whole song?

[imbondz]

Oct 10, 2013 8:30:11 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Oct 9, 2013 22:45:23 GMT -5 @jazzysoul47 said:

Are cases like "Gone" treated as active streaming? I kind of disagree with that, because if people are watching a video and a song is in the background, it's possible they're watching the video for the content of the video and not for the song itself. That's like hearing a song on a streaming playlist because the playlist interested you, not because you actively sought out the song. It becomes a challenge to determine peoples' intentions based on video content though. In this case, I think the creators' controversial way of quitting her job is what got peoples' attention, not the Kanye song itself. Kanye's song was part of the way she quit though, so how can anyone make the determination of whether people were listening to the song actively or passively? It's messy.

That was sort of the point I was making before. People sought out "The Fox" and "Wrecking Ball", while they may have seen that video with "Gone" and not even realized (or cared) what song they heard in the background for 100 seconds. If Billboard is just determining the chart based on what people kinda heard during the week, then why wouldn't the 10 million people who heard "Baby Blue" on Breaking Bad count? That's a quantifiable number of an audience for a song, which translated into a much bigger sales bump than "Gone" received. Or put another way, if 15 million people watched that finale scene of Breaking Bad on Youtube, would Badfinger be back in the top 20? It gets confusing.

As you said, it's messy and I don't envy Billboard trying to sort all this out as we move forward with new platforms for music consumption.

I jokingly said in another thread that Nielsen ratings should count toward chart points, especially during award shows. that's the stickiness of allowing youtube. how is youtube different than watching tv?

[imbondz]

She happened to pick a relevant song. I wish it was a Beatles song, or Amos Lee song, or a song by someone I like. Not a Kanye West fan at all so I'm probably even more biased against this song debuting. Can you imagine when someone has a Beatles song on a viral video and it debuts in the top 20 or top 10??

Especially if it's from Sgt. Pepper where they never released any songs.

[WotUNeed]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe, when songs are licensed for TV/films/etc., the financial part of that is worked out prior to the work ever airing and the direct revenues generated from that deal for the entity licensing the song will be the same whether the work is viewed by ten people or ten million people, whereas, with YouTube, the number of viewers watching a video that contains a specific song is directly correlated to potential revenue streams. That's the main difference I see for chart purposes.

[imbondz]

Oct 10, 2013 8:58:57 GMT -5 WotUNeed said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe, when songs are licensed for TV/films/etc., the financial part of that is worked out prior to the work ever airing and the direct revenues generated from that deal for the entity licensing the song will be the same whether the work is viewed by ten people or ten million people, whereas, with YouTube, the number of viewers watching a video that contains a specific song is directly correlated to potential revenue streams. That's the main difference I see for chart purposes.

That is true, but Youtube has made that line very fuzzy. Wonder why a Youtube 'stream' isn't treated the same as a TV licensed work? Stream and watching are the same thing. So, we could say, i'm streaming tv. lol.

[renfield75]

Oct 10, 2013 8:58:57 GMT -5 WotUNeed said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe, when songs are licensed for TV/films/etc., the financial part of that is worked out prior to the work ever airing and the direct revenues generated from that deal for the entity licensing the song will be the same whether the work is viewed by ten people or ten million people, whereas, with YouTube, the number of viewers watching a video that contains a specific song is directly correlated to potential revenue streams. That's the main difference I see for chart purposes.

I'm not sure how financial deals for licensed music factor into the Hot 100. So Billboard shouldn't count paid-for Clear Channel deals? And do you have to have a Youtube partnership to start generating income from a viral video? And did the woman who made this video license the Kanye song ahead of time? How is he getting paid from this? So many questions...

[WotUNeed]

Oct 10, 2013 11:06:34 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

I'm not sure how financial deals for licensed music factor into the Hot 100. So Billboard shouldn't count paid-for Clear Channel deals? And do you have to have a Youtube partnership to start generating income from a viral video? And did the woman who made this video license the Kanye song ahead of time? How is he getting paid from this? So many questions...

Re: Clear Channel deals, not really comparable; there, the content owner is paying for the airplay, not being paid for the use of the song. Doesn't relate to this discussion IMO. Obviously, no, you don't have to license music for your random YouTube video. As to the financial aspects of that, there's a decent explanation offered in this article that Billboard put out in February to explain the business side of "Harlem Shake".

[The Upper Hand]

Hot 100

01 01 14 Lorde, Royals
02 02 09 Katy Perry, Roar
03 03 07 Miley Cyrus, Wrecking Ball
04 05 15 Avicii, Wake Me Up!
05 04 09 Drake Featuring Majid Jordan, Hold On, We're Going Home
06 08 05 Ylvis, The Fox
07 06 13 Jay-Z Featuring Justin Timberlake, Holy Grail
08 07 25 Robin Thicke Featuring T.I. & Pharrell, Blurred Lines
09 09 08 Lady Gaga, Applause
10 10 13 Lana Del Rey, Summertime Sadness
11 12 23 Capital Cities, Safe And Sound
12 13 06 Eminem, Berzerk
13 41 03 Britney Spears, Work B**ch!
14 15 18 Miley Cyrus, We Can't Stop
15 14 58 Imagine Dragons, Radioactive
16 16 08 Luke Bryan, That's My Kind Of Night
17 11 03 Mike WiLL Made-It Featuring Miley Cyrus, Wiz Khalifa & Juicy J, 23
18 NE 01 Kanye West Featuring Cam'ron & Consequence, Gone
19 17 57 AWOLNATION, Sail
20 19 34 Justin Timberlake, Mirrors
21 22 16 OneRepublic, Counting Stars
22 21 25 Daft Punk Featuring Pharrell Williams, Get Lucky
23 18 29 Zedd Featuring Foxes, Clarity
24 28 24 Imagine Dragons, Demons
25 34 13 Paramore, Still Into You
26 37 06 Bruno Mars, Gorilla
27 25 17 Thomas Rhett, It Goes Like This
28 38 10 Passenger, Let Her Go
29 23 21 Bruno Mars, Treasure
30 24 41 Anna Kendrick, Cups (Pitch Perfect's When I'm Gone)
31 31 11 Chris Brown Featuring Nicki Minaj, Love More
32 27 16 J. Cole Featuring TLC, Crooked Smile
33 33 19 Tyler Farr, Redneck Crazy
34 NE 01 Katy Perry, Walking On Air
35 26 14 Jason Aldean, Night Train
36 35 07 Robin Thicke Featuring Kendrick Lamar, Give It 2 U
37 29 35 Macklemore & Ryan Lewis Featuring Ray Dalton, Can't Hold Us
38 39 03 Katy Perry Featuring Juicy J, Dark Horse
39 30 20 Maroon 5, Love Somebody
40 20 02 Drake Featuring 2 Chainz & Big Sean, All Me
41 45 14 Taylor Swift Featuring Ed Sheeran, Everything Has Changed
42 44 20 Billy Currington, Hey Girl
43 36 34 P!nk Featuring Nate Ruess, Just Give Me A Reason
44 47 10 Blake Shelton, Mine Would Be You
45 54 09 Selena Gomez, Slow Down
46 43 11 Big Sean Featuring Lil Wayne & Jhene Aiko, Beware
47 32 30 Macklemore & Ryan Lewis Featuring Mary Lambert, Same Love
48 46 53 Florida Georgia Line Featuring Nelly, Cruise
49 40 25 Calvin Harris Featuring Ellie Goulding, I Need Your Love
50 52 11 Sage The Gemini Featuring IamSu, Gas Pedal
51 49 17 Sara Bareilles, Brave
52 55 12 Chris Young, Aw Naw
53 57 10 P!nk Featuring Lily Allen, True Love
54 58 11 Tim McGraw, Southern Girl
55 53 12 Rich Homie Quan, Type Of Way
56 66 05 August Alsina/Trinidad James, I Luv This Sh*t
57 62 03 Justin Timberlake, TKO
58 60 17 The Neighbourhood, Sweater Weather
59 50 17 Florida Georgia Line, Round Here
60 48 11 One Direction, Best Song Ever
61 68 04 Future, Honest
62 59 13 Justin Timberlake, Take Back The Night
63 63 15 Lee Brice, Parking Lot Party
64 71 06 Joe Nichols, Sunny And 75
65 70 12 Sage The Gemini, Red Nose
66 76 04 Keith Urban And Miranda Lambert, We Were Us
67 NE 01 YG X Jeezy X Rich Homie Quan, My Hitta
68 92 07 Zendaya, Replay
69 90 02 Lorde, Team
70 72 13 Jay-Z, Tom Ford
71 NE 01 Lorde, Tennis Court
72 NE 01 Jason Derülo, Marry Me
73 75 14 Taylor Swift, Red
74 77 05 Eli Young Band, Drunk Last Night
75 80 05 Cassadee Pope, Wasting All These Tears
76 84 03 Parmalee, Carolina
77 NE 01 Justin Bieber, Heartbreaker
78 74 08 Bastille, Pompeii
79 51 02 Drake, The Language
80 RE 03 Enrique Iglesias Featuring Romeo Santos, Loco
81 94 05 Ellie Goulding, Burn
82 79 17 B.o.B Featuring 2 Chainz, HeadBand
83 69 19 Justin Moore, Point At You
84 56 02 Drake, Furthest Thing
85 98 03 Macklemore & Ryan Lewis Featuring ScHoolboy Q & Hollis, White Walls
86 RE 06 Juicy J Featuring Wale & Trey Songz, Bounce It
87 65 02 Drake Featuring Jay Z, Pound Cake / Paris Morton Music 2
88 91 03 Gavin DeGraw, Best I Ever Had
89 67 02 Drake, From Time
90 NE 01 Sevyn Streeter Featuring Chris Brown, It Won't Stop
91 NE 01 David Nail, Whatever She's Got
92 82 20 Keith Urban, Little Bit Of Everything
93 99 03 Martin Garrix, Animals
94 86 03 Zedd Featuring Hayley Williams, Stay The Night
95 85 20 Brett Eldredge, Don't Ya
96 73 03 Maejor Ali Featuring Juicy J & Justin Bieber, Lolly
97 RE 06 Prince Royce, Darte Un Beso
98 95 08 Train Featuring Ashley Monroe, Bruises
99 96 04 Romeo Santos, Propuesta Indecente
100 97 04 Craig Campbell, Outta My Head

[Glove Slap]

Lol @ Dark Horse rising.

[surreallife]

Oct 9, 2013 22:45:23 GMT -5 @jazzysoul47 said:

Are cases like "Gone" treated as active streaming? I kind of disagree with that, because if people are watching a video and a song is in the background, it's possible they're watching the video for the content of the video and not for the song itself. That's like hearing a song on a streaming playlist because the playlist interested you, not because you actively sought out the song. It becomes a challenge to determine peoples' intentions based on video content though. In this case, I think the creators' controversial way of quitting her job is what got peoples' attention, not the Kanye song itself. Kanye's song was part of the way she quit though, so how can anyone make the determination of whether people were listening to the song actively or passively? It's messy.

This is very similar to "Harlem Shake".  I personally doubt that hundreds of millions of Youtube streams were because of the song (which was only 30 seconds background music), but Billboard has a different view.  If I was working in the BB chart department I would be advocating that only the streaming of the official music video, not some User Generated Clip, count towards the HOT100.  I would also decrease the weighting.  "Gone" showing up at #18 this week is a good reason why I would want the formula "tweaked".  Twenty years from now people like us (chartfreaks) will be looking at the HOT100 and wondering what some of these songs were since they were only background music to a Youtube video that went viral.

[chartfreak]

So Rihanna made no dent with Pour It Up.

[felipe]

Oct 10, 2013 11:56:15 GMT -5 surreallife said:

Oct 9, 2013 22:45:23 GMT -5 @jazzysoul47 said:

Are cases like "Gone" treated as active streaming? I kind of disagree with that, because if people are watching a video and a song is in the background, it's possible they're watching the video for the content of the video and not for the song itself. That's like hearing a song on a streaming playlist because the playlist interested you, not because you actively sought out the song. It becomes a challenge to determine peoples' intentions based on video content though. In this case, I think the creators' controversial way of quitting her job is what got peoples' attention, not the Kanye song itself. Kanye's song was part of the way she quit though, so how can anyone make the determination of whether people were listening to the song actively or passively? It's messy.

This is very similar to "Harlem Shake".  I personally doubt that hundreds of millions of Youtube streams were because of the song (which was only 30 seconds background music), but Billboard has a different view.  If I was working in the BB chart department I would be advocating that only the streaming of the official music video, not some User Generated Clip, count towards the HOT100.  I would also decrease the weighting.  "Gone" showing up at #18 this week is a good reason why I would want the formula "tweaked".  Twenty years from now people like us (chartfreaks) will be looking at the HOT100 and wondering what some of these songs were since they were only background music to a Youtube video that went viral.

Twenty years from now people might as well look at the Hot 100 and wonder what is Loser Like Me and how the heck it peaked inside the top 10, since it only peaked that high due to big first week sales. The point is, streaming doesn't tell the whole story, neither do sales figures or airplay for that matter. The chart will never be perfect and criticism-proof.

[runnin2thasun]

90 NE 01 Sevyn Streeter Featuring Chris Brown, It Won't Stop

Lets go, Sevyn!

[renfield75]

I sent a question to 'Ask Billboard' and wanted to see if they answered it. But I have absolutely no idea how to find Ask Billboard ON BILLBOARD'S OWN SITE. The best I could find was a column from 2008. God that new site is horrible and impossible to navigate. One Chart Beat link I clicked took me to a French chart instead.

Not to mention Billboard's article about Glee misspelled Bruce Springsteen's name as 'Springstein'. Billboard can't spell Springsteen right? It's a prestigious music publication with more than a century of history. Stop letting the interns run it...

[felipe]

Even a Billboard intern should know how to spell Springsteen.