Billboard Hot 100 : 10/19/2013

[RadioBeatz]

Oct 9, 2013 16:01:58 GMT -5 icefire9 said:

Oct 9, 2013 14:13:51 GMT -5 RadioBeatz said:

"Work Bitch"'s peak will be #12.

"Roar" is a MEGA-smash, wow re-writing radio records left and right every week. :'(

Despite some shake up (The Fox #6 :o) the top 10 was boring this week. What should enter next week tho? "Heartbreaker" is crashing down (yay) "Counting Stars" is not big enough, so it'll be most likely the same.

Heartbreaker should be top 10 next week. Work Bitch debuted at #12 without hitting number 1 on iTunes, and Heartbreaker should be able to outsell it significantly.

We'll see, the song is tumbling down way too fast, did "Work Bitch" held its own in the top 10 until Sunday?

[icefire9]

Oct 9, 2013 17:17:57 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

Oct 9, 2013 16:01:58 GMT -5 icefire9 said:

Heartbreaker should be top 10 next week. Work Bitch debuted at #12 without hitting number 1 on iTunes, and Heartbreaker should be able to outsell it significantly.

Walking on Air was #1 and debuts at #34. Heartbreaker could be T10 but it's not guaranteed.

Walking on Air was #1 for like an hour because of iTunes giving it to everyone who pre-ordered the album all at once AND it still probably wouldn't have made it if Royals hadn't been taken down at the time.

[surfy]

Where do you guys get the radio and digital sales information?

[SPRΞΞ]

Oct 9, 2013 17:57:34 GMT -5 surfy said:

Where do you guys get the radio and digital sales information?

Billboard

[Rocky]

Oct 9, 2013 17:57:34 GMT -5 surfy said:

Where do you guys get the radio and digital sales information?

CIA, NASA and Wikileaks.

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Is Lorde's 'Royals,' the top song on the Billboard Hot 100, racist?


By Tim Hume, CNN


Hong Kong (CNN) -- An international war of words has broken out over a New Zealand pop star's chart-topping single, after an American blogger labeled the track racist.

"Royals," the debut single by Lorde, the stage name of Ella Yelich-O'Connor, currently sits above hits from Katy Perry and Miley Cyrus at No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart, making the 16-year-old the youngest artist to top the U.S. chart in 26 years.

The singer -- who sings about rejecting the trappings of consumerism in "Royals" and has admonished fellow pop star Selena Gomez for being insufficiently feminist -- has won plaudits from critics as a refreshing presence in the charts. But not everyone is a fan.

In a post on the prominent feminist blog feministing.com, writer Veronica Bayetti Flores took issue with the song's lyrics, in which Yelich-O'Connor sings that "every song" is about gold teeth and Maybach luxury cars -- both fixtures of hip-hop music videos -- before concluding "we don't care, we're driving Cadillacs in our dreams."

"While I love a good critique of wealth accumulation and inequity, this song is not one; in fact, it is deeply racist," wrote Bayetti Flores. "Because we all know who she's thinking when we're talking gold teeth, Cristal (champagne) and Maybachs. So why s--- on black folks? Why s--- on rappers?"




While I love a good critique of wealth accumulation and inequity, this song is not one; in fact, it is deeply racist
Blogger Veronica Bayetti Flores

The writer attacked critics who "have been so captivated by 'Royals' call-out of consumption that they didn't bother to take the time to think critically about the racial implications of the lyrics."

She concluded her post with the observation that the singer "apparently calls herself a feminist." "Let's just hope her feminism gets a lot less racist as she develops as an artist," she wrote.

The post attracted a massive online backlash from Lorde's fans and compatriots as well as other writers, with many claiming that Bayetti Flores, by interpreting the song through the prism of American race relations, was guilty of the kind of cultural arrogance she was attributing to the singer.

"I realize not everything in this world is an instrument of oppression," wrote New Zealand journalist Lynda Brendish. "And not everything in this world should be viewed through the lens of Americans, particularly when it comes to race and cultures of other countries. To insist otherwise is ignorant at best and imperialistic at worst."

The track was the songwriter's response to the images of unattainable luxury often conveyed through a U.S.-dominated pop culture, Brendish wrote.

"The theme of the song is the dissonance between that life... and the one she lives in New Zealand, but it is not at all about race."

While some of the trappings of conspicuous consumption cited in the song were associated with rappers, it also name-checked others associated with other wealthy, high-living stereotypes. "Jet planes, islands, tigers on a gold leash? I'm thinking Richard Branson and maybe Russian oligarchs there," wrote Brendish. "Blood stains and ball gowns? Celeb socialites... Trashin' the hotel room? Rock stars."




Not everything in this world should be viewed through the lens of Americans, particularly when it comes to race and cultures of other countries
Lynda Brendish, journalist

Vice.com writer Dave Schilling said Bayetti Flores' reading of the song "couldn't be more simplistic" and asked: "Why should anyone be surprised that the proliferation of pop songs about conspicuous consumption would get tiresome eventually?"

A commenter on feministing.com, Amelia Harris, called the post "a dreadfully done piece of deconstruction." "I hope you have a better understanding of your own bias and lack of understanding of the world beyond your own, and an interest in the impact of imported American culture on the rest of the world."

Others noted with disappointment that a vocal young feminist role model was being attacked on a feminist blog.

Bayetti Flores said on her Twitter page that she stood by her post, scoffing "at the quality of critiques" she was receiving in response. Amid the deluge of dissenting opinions, she also received some supportive tweets.

"Don't expect a Kiwi teen to know American race history, but then maybe she should step back from hip hop culture," she tweeted.

In comments written in an e-mail to CNN, Bayetti Flores added that her blog has mostly a U.S.-based audience, and "my critique focuses on how the song lands in the context of the United States.

"Clearly it has reached a much wider audience now," she added.

She took exception to how the song directs "a critique of excessive consumption to a genre both created and currently dominated by Black Americans, particularly when the vast majority of excess consumption is done by white people - not to mention the fact that Black people bear the brunt of the ill effects of wealth inequality, both in this country and globally," Bayetti Flores said.

Most of her critique is directed at record companies, U.S. media and "longstanding racist narratives" about consumption, she said.

While the genre isn't above criticism, hip-hop "must be critiqued in a way that contextualizes it within a larger system of race and power," she added. "To do so without this context reinforces racist narratives which feed into a larger system of racism that consistently dehumanizes people of color, and serve to uphold and excuse much larger oppressive systems."

A spokesman for Universal Music New Zealand, Lorde's label, said the singer had no comment in response to the criticism.

In an interview with NPR, Lorde described how the song was inspired by the messages conveyed by the pop music she had grown up with.

"I was just sort of reeling off some of the things which are commonly mentioned in hip-hop and the Top 40," she said. "I've always loved hip-hop, but as a fan of hip-hop, I've always had to kind of suspend disbelief because, obviously, I don't have a Bentley. There's a distance between that and the life I have with my friends going to parties and getting public transport and doing the things that every other teenager does."

The lyrics in question are:

But every song's like gold teeth, Grey Goose, tripping in the bathroom,

Blood stains, ball gowns, trashing the hotel room,

We don't care, we're driving Cadillacs in our dreams.

But everybody's like Cristal, Maybach, diamonds on your time piece,

Jet planes, islands, tigers on a gold leash.

We don't care, we aren't caught up in your love affair.

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I love her just for throwing Lorde's shtick lately right back in her face.

[chartfreak]

Paul Grein running late?

[renfield75]

I'm all for Youtube's inclusion on the Hot 100, and there's no doubt "Wrecking Ball" and "The Fox" have earned their hit status, but....what? This raises some of those ugly, nagging "Harlem Shake" questions again.

www.billboard.com/articles/news/5748232/kanye-wests-long-gone-song-debuts-in-hot-100s-top-20

The weighting should be examined if nothing else. "Walking On Air" and even "Baby Blue" seemed to have more of a presence this week. Sales should be stronger than funny Youtube clips.

[@DjKingBee]

How come there is no mention here on kanye west and the song gone ? Didnt it debut at #18 on hot 100 !!!!! Track Is oooooooold !!!

[Au$tin]

Oct 9, 2013 20:22:21 GMT -5 @DjKingBee said:

How come there is no mention here on kanye west and gone ??? Didnt it debut at #18 on hot 100 !!!!! Track I oooooooold !!!

Literally right above you...

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Oct 9, 2013 20:12:45 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

I'm all for Youtube's inclusion on the Hot 100, and there's no doubt "Wrecking Ball" and "The Fox" have earned their hit status, but....what? This raises some of those ugly, nagging "Harlem Shake" questions again.

www.billboard.com/articles/news/5748232/kanye-wests-long-gone-song-debuts-in-hot-100s-top-20

The weighting should be examined if nothing else. "Walking On Air" and even "Baby Blue" seemed to have more of a presence this week. Sales should be stronger than funny Youtube clips.

Should they? I've heard a LOT more about "The Fox" in the past couple weeks than "Walking On Air" or "Baby Blue". Who determines what's more popular? You? Me? How do we know the way Billboard is doing it is wrong?

[jayhawk1117]

Oct 9, 2013 19:43:08 GMT -5 @jazzysoul47 said:

I love her just for throwing Lorde's shtick lately right back in her face.

I don't see a shtick. Shes talking about what she hears on the radio which is hip hop according to the lyrics, if its taken that its racist, im sure it wasn't intended.

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Oct 9, 2013 20:28:18 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

Oct 9, 2013 19:43:08 GMT -5 @jazzysoul47 said:

I love her just for throwing Lorde's shtick lately right back in her face.

I don't see a shtick. Shes talking about what she hears on the radio which is hip hop according to the lyrics, if its taken that its racist, im sure it wasn't intended.

She's made a lot of judgments of other artists' lyrics lately and how what they represent is not good for society, and someone did the same thing to her.

[SPRΞΞ]

She'll conform sooner or later and put out a "Girlfriend" type of song.

[Push The Button]

Oct 9, 2013 20:35:02 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

She'll conform sooner or later and put out a "Girlfriend" type of song.

Are you implying that "Girlfriend" was a drastic change in sound for Avril Lavigne?

[velaxti]

Oct 9, 2013 20:12:45 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

I'm all for Youtube's inclusion on the Hot 100, and there's no doubt "Wrecking Ball" and "The Fox" have earned their hit status, but....what? This raises some of those ugly, nagging "Harlem Shake" questions again.

www.billboard.com/articles/news/5748232/kanye-wests-long-gone-song-debuts-in-hot-100s-top-20

The weighting should be examined if nothing else. "Walking On Air" and even "Baby Blue" seemed to have more of a presence this week. Sales should be stronger than funny Youtube clips.

If they decreased the weighting so that Kanye doesn't chart, then Wrecking Ball might not have got its 2nd week at #1 and The Fox might not be in the top 10 atm, and so on. Whatever weight they have on streaming it will over-estimate some songs and under-estimate others.

As for Royals, it's not racist at all. It parodies the materialism in hip hop in a similar way that Thrift Shop did imo, even though it's not as light-hearted.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Oct 9, 2013 20:28:18 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

Oct 9, 2013 19:43:08 GMT -5 @jazzysoul47 said:

I love her just for throwing Lorde's shtick lately right back in her face.

I don't see a shtick. Shes talking about what she hears on the radio which is hip hop according to the lyrics, if its taken that its racist, im sure it wasn't intended.

I agree with Lordes take. I agree with Lorde. Its the truth that is why this woman is challenging a 16 year old.

[chartfreak]

I don't like the Kanye situation because no one watched the video because of the song. I knew about the video but didn't even know it was Kanye's song. If your watching a music video like Wrecking Ball to see Miley naked, at least you know there is a song and its a music video, but whatever.

[chartfreak]

According to the yahoo article Heartbreaker already debuted??


Eminem's "Berzerk" inches up from #13 to #12 in its sixth week. The song has climbed as high as #3. The song tops the 1 million mark in sales this week. Digital sales rank: #7 (115K).

Britney Spears' "Work B**ch!" rebounds from #41 to #13 in its third week, nearly equaling its #12 ranking when it debuted two weeks ago. This is likely to become Spears' second top 10 hit of 2013. "Scream & Shout," a collabo with will.i.am, reached #3.

Luke Bryan's "That's My Kind Of Night" holds at #16 for the third week. It has climbed as high as #15. The song holds at #1 on Hot Country Songs for the eighth week. That's the longest run for a song by a male solo artist sinceDavid Houston's "Almost Persuaded," which was #1 for nine weeks in 1966. Note: I didn't count a male collabo, "It's Five O'Clock Somewhere" byAlan Jackson & Jimmy Buffett, which was #1 for eight weeks in 2003.Kanye West's "Gone" is the week's top new entry at #18. A song by that title was featured on West's sophomore album, Late Registration.

AWOLNATION's "Sail" drops from #17 to #19 in its 57th week. The song has, as of this week, sold 2 million copies in 2013. In addition, the song sold 1,196,000 copies in 2012 and 737K copies in 2011. This will be the third year in a row that the song has ranked among the top 200 best-selling songs of the year. It's #27 for the year-to-date. It ranked #87 for 2012; #153 for 2011.

OneRepublic's "Counting Stars" inches up from #22 to #21 in its 16th week. The song jumps to #1 on the U.K.'s Official Singles Chart. It's the group's first British #1. "Apologize" peaked at #3. "Stop And Stare" reached #4.Imagine Dragons' "Demons" jumps from #28 to #24 in its 24th week…Paramore's "Still Into You" jumps from #34 to #25 in its 13th week…Bruno Mars' "Gorilla" jumps from #37 to #26 in its sixth week…Passenger's "Let Her Go" jumps from #38 to #28 in its 10th week…Selena Gomez's "Slow Down" jumps from #54 to #45 in its ninth week."I Luv This Sh*t" by August Alsina/Trinidad Jamesjumps from #66 to #56 in its fifth week…"We Were Us" by Keith Urban and Miranda Lambert jumps from #76 to #66 in its fourth week.

."My Hitta" by YG featuringJeezy & Rich Homie Quandebuts at #67. There is also a harder-edged version, "My ***I'M RACIST***." The song is from the mixtape,Bo$$ Yo Life Up Gang, which was released in August…Zendaya's"Replay" jumps from #92 to #68 in its seventh week…Jason Derulo's "Marry Me" debuts at #72. This is from his third studio album,Tattoos…Parmalee's "Carolina" jumps from #84 to #76 in its third week.

Justin Bieber's"Heartbreaker" debuts at #77. Bieber plans to release a new song every week for the next 10 weeks…"Loco" by Enrique Iglesias featuring Romeo Santos re-enters the chart at #80…Ellie Goulding's"Burn" jumps from #94 to #81 in its fifth week. The song has climbed as high as #53. The song logged three weeks at #1 this summer on the U.K.'s Official Singles Chart."White Walls" by Macklemore & Ryan Lewisfeaturing ScHoolboy Q & Hollis jumps from #98 to #85 in its third week…Sevyn Streeter's "It Won't Stop" debuts at #90. Streeter was a member of the girl groups TG4 and RichGirl.

David Nail's "Whatever She's Got" debuts at #91. This is nearing the top 30 on Hot Country Songs. It's from his upcoming third studio album I'm A Fire…Prince Royce's "Darte Un Beso" re-enters the chart at #97. The song has climbed as high as #78. Prince Royce's new album Soy El Mismo is expected to sell about 16K copies this week.

Badfinger's "Baby Blue" sold 37K copies in its first full week following its unexpected use on the final episode of Breaking Bad. The song peaked at #14 in April 1972. It deserved to be a bigger hit. The great thing about songs is they can always come back, given the right cover version or the right exposure in movies or TV.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Oct 9, 2013 13:33:47 GMT -5 andrea55 said:

Oct 9, 2013 13:12:51 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

You forgot the part about that video being watched by millions of people and being the talk of social media the week of its release.

Miley is clearly the undisputed top pop singer right now. The VMAs were how long ago? And people are still talking about her. The Huffington Post entertainment section may as well rename itself Miley Talk.

Also, I definitely feel that Royals is currently bigger than Roar.

the vma performance shouldn't be the cause of wrecking ball going no.1 besides that she is not the top pop star. Also her vma performance was dumb to be honest....there is no talent. All she did was twerk. Also wrecking ball only went number one because of the video (Miley put herself naked so everyone would watch it)
But I do agree that royals is bigger then roar right now...although it wasn't last week.

Doesn't matter if you or anyone thinks the performance was dumb. It's still one of the most talked-about things in music. Miley is the most talked about pop star. Her song was #1 and is still gaining in airplay. Her album is going to be #1 this week. Doesn't matter how she's done it, the fact is is that she did it and it worked. Not sure who else you think is the biggest name in pop music at this very moment but you'll be wrong.

[Deleted]

Someone care to explain the #18 debut of "Gone" by Kanye West?

[HolidayGuy]

^The link to the Billboard article explaining it can be found on this page.

[Deleted]

Oop, didn't read first.

[Deleted]

Are cases like "Gone" treated as active streaming? I kind of disagree with that, because if people are watching a video and a song is in the background, it's possible they're watching the video for the content of the video and not for the song itself. That's like hearing a song on a streaming playlist because the playlist interested you, not because you actively sought out the song. It becomes a challenge to determine peoples' intentions based on video content though. In this case, I think the creators' controversial way of quitting her job is what got peoples' attention, not the Kanye song itself. Kanye's song was part of the way she quit though, so how can anyone make the determination of whether people were listening to the song actively or passively? It's messy.

[josh]

It's gonna be just like them determining genres.

[chartfreak]

So if Heartbreak by Beiber debuted at #77, is this because of sales before Midnight on last Sunday night on 10/6/13. If so, didn't think Itunes contributed to "street date violations" or is it earning any other points from other sources like airplay or streaming?

[Deleted]

"Heartbreaker" got into the Top 5 on iTunes within an hour of the chart deadline.

[Enigma.]

Oct 9, 2013 21:04:22 GMT -5 chartfreak said:

According to the yahoo article Heartbreaker already debuted??

Britney Spears' "Work B**ch!" rebounds from #41 to #13 in its third week, nearly equaling its #12 ranking when it debuted two weeks ago. This is likely to become Spears' second top 10 hit of 2013. "Scream & Shout," a collabo with will.i.am, reached #3.

Somebody's hopeful.

[Enigma.]

Gone won't chart for long. It will probably drop out of chart in week or two. It's not Harlem Shake.