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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 16, 2013 13:17:50 GMT -5
Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago: 10/28/7801 02 Hot Child In The City - Nick Gilder (1st and only week at #1)02 05 You Needed Me - Anne Murray I wonder if this was the first time that two Canadian acts held the Top 2 on the Hot 100? |
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Post by josh on Oct 16, 2013 13:26:23 GMT -5
Looks like Miley's gonna return to #1, then. Sales down due to CMA so should rise next week, plus Lorde is slowing down on airplay, at least on pop, although she's picked up on rhythmic. I want Lorde to get more time at #1.
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Post by TylerG11 on Oct 16, 2013 13:28:06 GMT -5
So basically, if Bangerz hadn't done so well digitally, WB would be #1 instead of royals. I think the complete my album being a return is kinda BS.
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Post by Enigma. on Oct 16, 2013 13:35:42 GMT -5
But Drake had similar kind of situation and Hold On actually dropped the week after the album release.
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Post by Rocky on Oct 16, 2013 13:40:27 GMT -5
But Drake had similar kind of situation and Hold On actually dropped the week after the album release. No, it rose to #4. |
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Post by josh on Oct 16, 2013 13:46:16 GMT -5
But Drake had similar kind of situation and Hold On actually dropped the week after the album release. He was stalling on airplay, though. Miley's flying up on airplay. Streaming may drop, but airplay should more than make up for it. |
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Oct 16, 2013 13:48:59 GMT -5
Are these Music Monday songs from Biebs just random songs he's releasing to promote his upcoming era or are the songs from the new album, or a mixture of both?  I remember Kanye did that for "MBDTF" era. Some made the album, the others didn't. |
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Post by Enigma. on Oct 16, 2013 13:56:29 GMT -5
But Drake had similar kind of situation and Hold On actually dropped the week after the album release. No, it rose to #4. No, it went 7->4 when the album was released and dropped to #5 last week. |
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Post by badrobot on Oct 16, 2013 13:57:36 GMT -5
But Drake had similar kind of situation and Hold On actually dropped the week after the album release. No, it rose to #4. I think it rose to #4 the week of the album debut (despite losing sales) and then slid the week after. I think first-week streaming is proving to be stronger than any CMA sales erosion for major new singles. |
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Post by josh on Oct 16, 2013 14:10:43 GMT -5
Are these Music Monday songs from Biebs just random songs he's releasing to promote his upcoming era or are the songs from the new album, or a mixture of both?  I remember Kanye did that for "MBDTF" era. Some made the album, the others didn't. I get the feeling none will make the album. |
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Post by 3m3r7c on Oct 16, 2013 14:31:33 GMT -5
Daily airplay update?
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Post by TylerG11 on Oct 16, 2013 15:11:44 GMT -5
I think it rose to #4 the week of the album debut (despite losing sales) and then slid the week after. I think first-week streaming is proving to be stronger than any CMA sales erosion for major new singles. It dropped out of the top 10 the week of the album release, then climbed to #4 last week. |
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Post by josh on Oct 16, 2013 15:16:02 GMT -5
I think it rose to #4 the week of the album debut (despite losing sales) and then slid the week after. I think first-week streaming is proving to be stronger than any CMA sales erosion for major new singles. It dropped out of the top 10 the week of the album release, then climbed to #4 last week. nope. 21-24-17-12-8-9-7-4-5-whatever it is this week. it dropped out of top 10 in sales on album release week, though. |
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Post by TylerG11 on Oct 16, 2013 15:21:54 GMT -5
It dropped out of the top 10 the week of the album release, then climbed to #4 last week. nope. 21-24-17-12-8-9-7-4-5-whatever it is this week. it dropped out of top 10 in sales on album release week, though. I was talking about digital sales, and I meant #5. I obviously misunderstood, my bad! |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 16, 2013 15:33:52 GMT -5
br- do you mean if a track is advertised as a single, but when you go to click on it, it takes you to the album? Compared to a pre-order that doesn't show up as a single, but you get with a pre-order. OK, I'm now confusing myself...
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 16, 2013 15:43:36 GMT -5
I don't think the redeem my album should effect the Hot 100 at all because those singles were ones purchased in the past and the Hot 100 is supposed to reflect only this week. I don't see an issue with it having any effect on certification stats or overall sales numbers for the single, but it seems ridiculous to remove sales that were already made because an album is purchased.
If anything, it should effect the Billboard 200 chart instead, which should be based on money spent by the consumer rather than units sold. Or discount 1 out of every 10 units sold where the "redeem my album" is involved, or something.
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Post by WotUNeed on Oct 16, 2013 16:02:26 GMT -5
I don't think the redeem my album should effect the Hot 100 at all because those singles were ones purchased in the past and the Hot 100 is supposed to reflect only this week. I don't see an issue with it having any effect on certification stats or overall sales numbers for the single, but it seems ridiculous to remove sales that were already made because an album is purchased. If anything, it should effect the Billboard 200 chart instead, which should be based on money spent by the consumer rather than units sold. Or discount 1 out of every 10 units sold where the "redeem my album" is involved, or something. An album revenue chart would be interesting, but gross revenue doesn't mean much without knowing the expenses that were involved in generating it, and a net income chart would be exceedingly complicated to calculate and verify on a weekly basis, so I think units sold is the best we can expect. With that in mind, I think the way Billboard currently treats the Complete My Album purchases is correct. I think we can all agree that the purchase of a single should be tracked as one unit sold of that single. However, as soon as you use Complete My Album, you've changed the nature of the transaction; you didn't actually buy a single, but you bought part of an album and are now completing that transaction by purchasing the rest of the album. Deducting the sales of the singles that are converted under this method is the best way to reflect the actual substance of these transactions, in my opinion. |
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Post by surreallife on Oct 16, 2013 16:02:51 GMT -5
This is one of those weeks which leaves me scratching my head.
"Royals" leads "Wrecking Ball" by more than 2:1 in sales, by nearly 2:1 in airplay, but has about 63% of Wrecking Ball's streaming activity. Yet it only leads by 4% overall.
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Post by 3m3r7c on Oct 16, 2013 16:21:13 GMT -5
No airplay update?
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Post by badrobot on Oct 16, 2013 16:29:55 GMT -5
br- do you mean if a track is advertised as a single, but when you go to click on it, it takes you to the album? Compared to a pre-order that doesn't show up as a single, but you get with a pre-order. OK, I'm now confusing myself... So, the way iTunes functions is that every song has a parent "album" even if that parent album is just the 1 song as a "single." Scenario A: An album is available for pre-order, and you can only buy one track from the album (the lead single). So the "parent album" is the full album, and the consumer is buying the song as a track from the album. Scenario B: A lead single is released as a single only, so the "parent album" is the single itself, and the consumer is just buying the song as a single on its own. In both cases, iTunes will allow you to "complete my album." What I'm wondering is if the digital single sales numbers are only affected by CMA in Scenario A. I'm also straight-up wondering if BB ignores the "negative sales" on just the Hot 100. So if a song sold 150,000 copies, but 50,000 people redeemed "Complete My Album," on the digital chart it shows up as 100,000 -- but when they compile the Hot 100, maybe they still count the full 150k? I don't think they did that in the past, but given how Drake and Miley both had singles climb despite big digital sales losses, I'm wondering if they had a change of heart. |
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Post by Rocky on Oct 16, 2013 17:34:47 GMT -5
1. KATY PERRY – Roar: 213.022 (- 0.828)
2. LORDE – Royals: 207.904 (+ 2.809)
3. AVICII – Wake Me Up: 169.096 (+ 1.479)
4. DRAKE – Hold On We’re Going Home: 163.630 (+ 1.565)
5. JAY Z – Holy Grail f/Justin Timberlake: 159.096 (- 0.160)
6. ROBIN THICKE – Blurred Lines f/Pharrell & T.I: 129.562 (- 2.332)
7. LADY GAGA – Applause: 117.111 (+ 0.839) ▲
8. CAPITAL CITIES – Safe And Sound: 114.447 (- 2.579) ▼
9. LANA DEL REY – Summertime Sadness: 108.305 (- 2.429)
10. MILEY CYRUS – Wrecking Ball: 102.697 (+ 3.100)
11. J. COLE – Crooked Smile f/TLC: 73.504 (- 0.144)
12. JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE – Mirrors: 71.137 (- 0.578)
13. MAROON 5 – Love Somebody: 68.800 (- 1.026)
14. THOMAS RHETT – It Goes Like This: 66.355 (+ 0.328) ▲
15. PARAMORE – Still Into You: 66.029 (- 0.544) ▼
16. ZEDD – Clarity f/Foxes: 64.392 (- 0.560) ▲
17. LUKE BRYAN – That’s My Kind Of Night: 64.087 (+ 0.275) ▲
18. TAYLOR SWIFT – Everything Has …f/Ed Sheeran: 63.123 (+ 0.228) ▲
19. BILLY CURRINGTON – Hey Girl: 63.071 (- 2.202) ▼
20. BRUNO MARS – Gorilla: 60.378 (+ 0.206)
IMAGINE DRAGONS – Radioactive: 59.867 (- 1.119)
ROBIN THICKE – Give It 2 U f/Kendrick Lamar: 56.790 (- 0.360)
CHRIS BROWN – Love More f/Nicki Minaj: 56.388 (+ 1.026)
IMAGINE DRAGONS – Demons: 55.281 (+ 1.721)
BLAKE SHELTON – Mine Would Be You: 54.844 (+ 0.668)
PINK – True Love f/Lily Allen: 53.492 (- 0.283)
SELENA GOMEZ – Slow Down: 49.588 (+ 0.997)
JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE – TKO: 46.320 (+ 1.070)
AUGUST ALSINA – I Luv This Sh*t: 41.339 (+ 0.011)
KEITH URBAN & MIRANDA LAMBERT – We Were Us: 41.119 (+ 0.205)
BRITNEY SPEARS – Work Bitch: 38.522 (+ 0.299)
ONEREPUBLIC – Counting Stars: 36.844 (+ 0.523)
PARMALEE – Carolina: 35.484 (+ 0.823)
JAY Z – Tom Ford: 33.298 (+ 1.104)
PASSENGER – Let Her Go: 30.744 (+ 0.615)
K. MICHELLE – V.S.O.P.: 30.029 (+ 0.901)
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Post by velaxti on Oct 16, 2013 19:46:30 GMT -5
I don't think Billboard count the negative sales from Complete My Album anymore. If they did, then Wrecking Ball wouldn't almost be #1 this week, Hold On We're Going On would've been lower than Avicii's song a few weeks ago and Mirrors would have been lower on its album release week too.
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Post by Au$tin on Oct 16, 2013 19:53:30 GMT -5
But streaming also throws a wrench into the formula. All songs mentioned saw significant boosts in streaming the week of their albums' respected releases, which could combat the loss in sales efficiently.
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Post by AngelsForever on Oct 16, 2013 20:09:45 GMT -5
Summertime Sadness is still top 10.  |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 16, 2013 20:22:02 GMT -5
With that in mind, I think the way Billboard currently treats the Complete My Album purchases is correct. I think we can all agree that the purchase of a single should be tracked as one unit sold of that single. However, as soon as you use Complete My Album, you've changed the nature of the transaction; you didn't actually buy a single, but you bought part of an album and are now completing that transaction by purchasing the rest of the album. Deducting the sales of the singles that are converted under this method is the best way to reflect the actual substance of these transactions, in my opinion. In the scenarios posted above by badrobot, I'm thinking that singles purchases from parent albums (as a pre-order) shouldn't count toward the Hot 100 since those songs were purchased with the intent of getting the album as soon as it becomes available. Whereas single-singles aren't purchased with that intent - although if the person decides to complete the album later on, then doing a negative sale would make sense, though I still don't think it should count as a -1 for the Hot 100. Singles and Albums have never really overlapped before until now so it certainly makes it a sticky situation. |
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Post by josh on Oct 16, 2013 20:28:15 GMT -5
I think sales for a song, whether you're buying just the song or pre-ordering the album and therefore also paying for the song for the time being, should count no matter what.
They also should not count as negative points on Digital Songs and Hot 100, just as a negative sale towards the song's total.
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Post by Au$tin on Oct 16, 2013 20:32:32 GMT -5
Okay, so on Monday, "Chinese Food" had roughly 70k views. Yesterday, around 900k. Today? Over 5 million. Guess what song will be debuting high on the Hot 100 next week? |
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Post by TylerG11 on Oct 16, 2013 21:48:05 GMT -5
Okay, so on Monday, "Chinese Food" had roughly 70k views. Yesterday, around 900k. Today? Over 5 million. Guess what song will be debuting high on the Hot 100 next week? Rap God? ;) |
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Post by Au$tin on Oct 16, 2013 21:48:39 GMT -5
Okay, so on Monday, "Chinese Food" had roughly 70k views. Yesterday, around 900k. Today? Over 5 million. Guess what song will be debuting high on the Hot 100 next week? Rap God? ;) Well that too. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 16, 2013 22:19:37 GMT -5
"Wrecking Ball" dropped in sales, though, by 40%- and Billboard noted that it was a result of the CMA action. Not sure if BB/SoundScan treats CMA differently depending on how the song was available when part of the pre-order.
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