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Post by kanimal on Feb 21, 2016 23:07:08 GMT -5
LOL I am dead. Is that true? People were ROASTING her for being a "fake feminist" for not supporting Kesha earlier. Looks true. Sites are beginning to quote Taylor's "spokesperson" about the story as well.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 21, 2016 23:08:40 GMT -5
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Post by kanimal on Feb 21, 2016 23:16:09 GMT -5
Demi's not impressed (and comes off so poorly in sharing that sentiment).
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 21, 2016 23:18:09 GMT -5
idgi. Is that directed at Taylor? Because... what can Taylor do that she can't that would impress her?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 23:25:18 GMT -5
Well put your money where your mouth is, Ms. Swift!
There was quite a bit of 'where's Taylor's comment?' so whether that is fair or unfair to her, I am glad she said/did something. Now that I think about it, Taylor has a sort of habit of doing things and then letting other people spread the news about it for her rather than tooting her own horn.
I don't know about Demi's tweet. I know her earlier tweet (the one about now is the time for self-proclaimed feminists to say something) felt like some Taylor shade but I'm not sure what else Demi could possibly want...frankly money is the best thing anyone could give Kesha right now, considering the fear that she can't earn any money herself without picking an entirely different career path.
The only way around this is if she starts writing for other people, I don't know if that is likely but I have my fingers crossed that she finds some sort of way to keep herself going.
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Post by **βécky**™ on Feb 21, 2016 23:41:15 GMT -5
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Post by PopLuva on Feb 21, 2016 23:45:33 GMT -5
Sorry but its stupid and Demi is so wrong. Who cares if Taylor doesn't want to publicly comment. What will she say freekesha?? blah, blah,blah, like everyone else did. Wow like that helps so much. Taylor donated 250,000 toward her legal fees that says more than enough she is in support of kesha! Im sure they had a private conversation. Taylor doesn't need to say a word to the public she did more than any of these celebs.
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Post by kanimal on Feb 22, 2016 0:06:34 GMT -5
Sorry but its stupid and Demi is so wrong. Who cares if Taylor doesn't want to publicly comment. What will she say freekesha?? blah, blah,blah, like everyone else did. Wow like that helps so much. Taylor donated 250,000 toward her legal fees that says more than enough she is in support of kesha! Im sure they had a private conversation. Taylor doesn't need to say a word to the public she did more than any of these celebs. The premise Demi and her supporters are putting forth - fairly or not - is that the money helps Kesha during the legal case, but it doesn't necessarily do anything to advocate for women's rights. It doesn't even necessary vilify Dr. Luke, as anyone in this sort of legal battle - rape allegation or not - would need money. The question thus becomes whether Taylor's goal here should be to help Kesha or use this as a springboard to combat sexual abuse. -- One thing to note, however, is that Taylor's donation - at least prior to Demi's Tweet - became a de facto sign of support the second it went public. Even though she never articulated her support for Kesha or her condemnation of Dr. Luke in writing, she became a Kesha supporter the second the $250K donation story went to print. And even if she didn't WANT to pick sides...it's not like she'd ever tell someone "No, that money was just to help someone who needs it, I don't have an opinion on the case."
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Post by Kinney on Feb 22, 2016 0:36:52 GMT -5
LOL I am dead. Is that true? People were ROASTING her for being a "fake feminist" for not supporting Kesha earlier. It was Kesha's Mom that tweeted it out in the first place, Taylor's publicist confirmed with a sentence when the NYT contacted her. Demi has only made this a one-up competition ("then I'll be impressed" instead of making it about Kesha. She can go kick rocks.
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Post by nightshade on Feb 22, 2016 1:16:06 GMT -5
As nice as the gesture is...I mean can Taylor voice her opinion even if she can't truly relate. Is it really only when Taylor can relate to an issue that she voices her opinion on it? (I.e. Spotify/streaming)
Hopefully, she speaks on the situation and voices her support for Kesha.
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Post by Kinney on Feb 22, 2016 1:27:55 GMT -5
If it's good enough for Kesha's mom (who actually knows what her daughter is going through), it's good enough for me. If y'all want to find some sort of slight in this, go ahead I guess.
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Post by SHOOTER on Feb 22, 2016 1:32:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 1:46:35 GMT -5
I mean like Taylor isn't my fav but donating money to Kesha of that amount is as big a endorsement as anybody can make . Why do we need her words when her actions speak for themselves.
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Post by james518 on Feb 22, 2016 1:50:31 GMT -5
This Taylor controversy is a bunch of garbage... I agree that if Kesha's mom is satisfied, I'm satisfied!
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Post by switch on Feb 22, 2016 2:23:36 GMT -5
This Taylor controversy is a bunch of garbage... I agree that if Kesha's mom is satisfied, I'm satisfied! Amen. Anyone complaining about the type of support another person graciously provides needs to stop.
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Post by Glove Slap on Feb 22, 2016 2:41:26 GMT -5
Taylor is the only one here who has actually done something that directly helps her. A tweet or comment is ultimately trivial. soblu is right that this has been clickbaited to make it seem that Luke is a convicted rapist or something, when that is an entirely separate suit that has yet to begin. Demi is an ass and a fool if that was in response to this.
I do not know about Kesha's current financial situation, and given that she has writing credits on all her material there is residual income she should be getting in addition to performing (which itself is obviously awkward), but overall she's in a standstill in the profession she has worked in for years and years. Add legal costs to general expenses and cash flow is exactly what she needs from the outside world. The only way I can picture her being able to get serious money out of her music career now is if she writes/co-writes and big hit for someone else.
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Post by kanimal on Feb 22, 2016 2:55:10 GMT -5
Taylor is the only one here who has actually done something that directly help her. A tweet or comment is ultimately trivial. soblu is right that this has been clickbaited to make it seem that Luke is a convicted rapist or something, when that is an entirely separate suit that has yet to begin. Demi is an ass and a fool if that was in response to this. I do not know about Kesha's current financial situation, and given that she has writing credits on all her material there is residual income she should be getting in addition to performing (which itself is obviously awkward), but overall she's in a standstill in the profession she has worked in for years and years. Add legal costs to general expenses and cash flow is exactly what she needs from the outside world. The only way I can picture her being able to get serious money out of her music career now is if she writes/co-writes and big hit for someone else. Just to be clear, this (who did more to help Kesha) is sort of the mindset that Demi is criticizing She wrote this on a Swiftie's Instagram account: “There’s no “rivalry” I just give more f**ks than other people and would rather start a dialogue ABOUT WOMEN COMING FORWARD ABOUT BEING RAPED than throw money at one person.” Demi isn't suggesting that Taylor's donation wasn't helpful to Kesha. She's arguing that it wasn't particularly helpful to women at large - particularly those who have been or will be sexually assaulted. -- Again. I disagree with her in the sense that I believe Taylor's donation constitutes de facto support. Media outlets are already running with the story that Taylor took Kesha's side. But I just want to clarify that Demi is certainly not saying a Tweet does more to help Kesha than a check. She's saying that Kesha's plight should be the start of a broader conversation about women's rights, and it'd be great if one of the most influential women in the world - who happens to brand herself as a feminist - would take part in that conversation.
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Post by Kinney on Feb 22, 2016 3:25:51 GMT -5
Taylor is the only one here who has actually done something that directly help her. A tweet or comment is ultimately trivial. soblu is right that this has been clickbaited to make it seem that Luke is a convicted rapist or something, when that is an entirely separate suit that has yet to begin. Demi is an ass and a fool if that was in response to this. I do not know about Kesha's current financial situation, and given that she has writing credits on all her material there is residual income she should be getting in addition to performing (which itself is obviously awkward), but overall she's in a standstill in the profession she has worked in for years and years. Add legal costs to general expenses and cash flow is exactly what she needs from the outside world. The only way I can picture her being able to get serious money out of her music career now is if she writes/co-writes and big hit for someone else. Just to be clear, this (who did more to help Kesha) is sort of the mindset that Demi is criticizing She wrote this on a Swiftie's Instagram account: “There’s no “rivalry” I just give more f**ks than other people and would rather start a dialogue ABOUT WOMEN COMING FORWARD ABOUT BEING RAPED than throw money at one person.” Demi isn't suggesting that Taylor's donation wasn't helpful to Kesha. She's arguing that it wasn't particularly helpful to women at large - particularly those who have been or will be sexually assaulted. -- Again. I disagree with her in the sense that I believe Taylor's donation constitutes de facto support. Media outlets are already running with the story that Taylor took Kesha's side. But I just want to clarify that Demi is certainly not saying a Tweet does more to help Kesha than a check. She's saying that Kesha's plight should be the start of a broader conversation about women's rights, and it'd be great if one of the most influential women in the world - who happens to brand herself as a feminist - would take part in that conversation. Is that why Demi likes tweets about money "not being the answer" and talking about speaking out about something so she can be "impressed"? She has made this entire thing entirely about herself and Taylor, and Kesha's situation is getting completely lost in the hubbub. Demi is full of s**t, but that's always been the case. There was no need for her to comment at all, but she just couldn't help being an absolute cow about the whole thing. I'm glad she's getting raked over the coals right now. This tweet encapsulates my feelings about Demi Lovato.
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Post by missgenericnickname on Feb 22, 2016 7:05:29 GMT -5
Rape isn't under the breach of contract? Damn that's sad Rape/sexual assault confirmed by the court (liable in civil or guilty in criminal) surely would lead to the voiding of the contract. That will be determined in the (2017?) court hearing. Until then, it's just an allegation. And an allegation of rape does not void the contract. In other news... So there is another. Okay I see it now.
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Post by bunifah on Feb 22, 2016 7:25:08 GMT -5
Taylor is extra but Demi is PETTY as fuck, let me tell you this
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Post by kmbgs on Feb 22, 2016 7:56:42 GMT -5
I'm usually skeptical af of Taylor however Demi needs to have several seats rn. The bitch literally just spoke out to empower women when winning AOTY - Taylor is a popstar not public advocate after all. I think she's doing more than enough to use her platform responsibly for more than personal financial gain.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 9:04:12 GMT -5
Demi Lovato is actually a complete asshole. And to think I almost became a stan!
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 22, 2016 9:10:50 GMT -5
Just to be clear, this (who did more to help Kesha) is sort of the mindset that Demi is criticizing She wrote this on a Swiftie's Instagram account: “There’s no “rivalry” I just give more f**ks than other people and would rather start a dialogue ABOUT WOMEN COMING FORWARD ABOUT BEING RAPED than throw money at one person.” If it's not a competition, why is she saying she "gives more fucks than other people?" By throwing shade and making it about how much she cares vs. other people, it's distracting from whatever she feels the issue should be about. On another note, someone mentioned Beyoncé. Has she publicly said anything in regards to this? I haven't seen a lot of support from male artists either, which is disheartening. I've seen some though, so they aren't completely void from it. And for the record, I do think public support from celebrities is helpful and does contribute.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 9:13:07 GMT -5
That's true. Why does Taylor get called a fake feminist for not saying anything but nobody says a word about Beyoncé? That's hypocritical and unfair.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Feb 22, 2016 9:16:37 GMT -5
None of these celebrities are saying things from a 100% altruistic place. There's very much a social capital component to speaking out right now.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 22, 2016 9:22:13 GMT -5
None of these celebrities are saying things from a 100% altruistic place. There's very much a social capital component to speaking out right now. True. But it's very possible and likely that many genuinely feel sympathy or support toward her. It just so happens they're celebrities and every move and statement they make will be seen as having ulterior motives.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Feb 22, 2016 9:49:30 GMT -5
I think it says a lot that nobody was speaking out for her a week ago. This story has been around for a long time. There's no way people in the industry were unaware of it. They could have brought attention to the issue a year ago, but now they want to jump on a hashtag and get their tweets storified on TMZ.
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Post by kanimal on Feb 22, 2016 9:53:33 GMT -5
I think it says a lot that nobody was speaking out for her a week ago. This story has been around for a long time. There's no way people in the industry were unaware of it. They could have brought attention to the issue a year ago, but now they want to jump on a hashtag and get their tweets storified on TMZ. There's absolutely opportunism here. But the fact that the media and general public have GROSSLY misinterpreted what actually happened in this hearing makes it easier to speak out now. It went from being a complicated question of "Should someone be let out of a binding contract while an allegation she made is being litigated" to the simple question of "Should a woman be forced to work with the man who 100% unequivocally absolutely raped her."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 11:00:55 GMT -5
Demi's aggression is misguided and doesn't take into account that Taylor does more than just throw money at people. Not a lot more, mind you, and I think that's where the bulk of Demi's frustrations lie, but Demi can't expect Taylor to do it all when all she's done is whine on social media about it. Yes, the issue goes beyond Kesha, but that doesn't mean everybody should ignore Kesha for the "bigger issue" either. As fake (and uninformed) as Taylor's feminism comes across, Demi is just totally not getting it.
I wouldn't say everyone is doing this to benefit themselves, though. I mean, it' sa tweet of support. People don't stand to gain that much from them and honestly that kind of cynicism is just over the top lmao. Celebrities are still human.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Feb 22, 2016 11:08:15 GMT -5
You go to rehab once and now your an advocate for everything wrong in the world. OK Demi. Twitter really does bring the worst out of people.
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