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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 11:16:34 GMT -5
Wow, just lost quite a bit of respect for Demi.
Good for Taylor though. Hope in the end Kesha can find a resolution she can make peace with.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 11:21:32 GMT -5
Demi is gross. As a famous philosopher once said, "what have you done for me lately?"
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Post by ssendam on Feb 22, 2016 11:33:44 GMT -5
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Post by musicfan134 on Feb 22, 2016 11:47:13 GMT -5
Let me start by saying that I am by far and away not Taylor's biggest fan.
However, it seems that she's one of those artists who no matter what she does, she loses. She's quite polarizing, really. People just love to hate on her for whatever reason they can, and while I don't love Taylor's music either, I don't personally know her. So why are all these people judging when they barely know her?
I've lost a lot of respect for Demi Lovato. Taylor is simply putting her money where her mouth is and letting her actions speak for herself. I still don't love Taylor Swift, but it makes me respect her a bit more.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Feb 22, 2016 11:50:44 GMT -5
Demi needs to sit her ass in a stadium of seats. What exactly has SHE done directly to help Kesha, beyond #freekesha tweets? She acts like SHE is up making historic marches rallying against anti-feminist behavior and policies and all of this negativity thrown at Taylor after Taylor reached out to her in support while she was in rehab. On top of everything her need to dig and dig at Taylor takes more and more attention away from Kesha and makes it all about a "diva feud". Girl bye.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 11:56:50 GMT -5
So I'm officially done wondering what it is about Demi's music that doesn't connect more with people, because it's clearly not the music that is the problem there. Criticizing Taylor and not Beyonce is hypocritical in a sense, but I also think the criticism for Bey is lacking on this because the brand of feminism that Beyonce projects - and more importantly, the way she projects it - is somewhat removed from what Taylor represents, thus the expectations are different. Bey gets judged for other things so it's not like she's getting a pass. I think it says a lot that nobody was speaking out for her a week ago. This story has been around for a long time. There's no way people in the industry were unaware of it. They could have brought attention to the issue a year ago, but now they want to jump on a hashtag and get their tweets storified on TMZ. This reminds me of when Kelly was doing an interview during the tail end of the My December era and she said there were a lot of people in the industry who came up to her and said 'we're so proud of you for standing up for yourself,' and Kelly didn't quite get it because she didn't feel she did anything all that different from what she knew most artists go through. More and more I get the sense that public statements only feel opportunistic and too-little-too-late to us because we're just now hearing them on the backend. Kesha may have already gotten a lot of support from people behind the scenes, but now that the result is out they're taking their statements to the public in general. Obviously Kelly's situation was not comparable to what Kesha is going through now, but as with Kesha, I am sure people were aware of it; and as we speak there's surely some other open secret in the industry about someone else that the public isn't privy to. But what could anyone have done, really? That's where the problem really comes in - to have this huge creative community and yet all these artists feel, maybe correctly, that they are all too powerless to do anything except offer a word of support? It really seems that the only answer is for every artist out there to simply walk away from the industry structure as a whole, but the vast majority of them do not have the $$$, skills, or safety net to continue their careers on their own - and as Kesha's case highlights, they're all tied down in their contracts so they couldn't walk away even if they did have it in them to DIY. By the time they get a chance to truly be free they're too far past their primes for walking away to really stand for anything, meanwhile a new generation or two of suckers was born underneath them and the cycle of trapping people continues. And of course the general public is oblivious to and uncaring about all of this. I've seen more than one comment dismissing Kesha's plight as someone who "sold her soul." What a grossly uninformed assessment. I will say that maybe all these statements will not be in vain - frankly there's not much anyone could have said to help Kesha's breach of contract suit, but for the sexual assault suit this reaction is extremely important - and to reiterate what I and someone else (kanimal I think?) have said, the assault suit is separate and hasn't taken place yet. So these tweets can possibly help (if Luke's behavior was rampant enough some of these celebs could offer relevant witness testimony), just not for the temporary injunction hearing that just took place.
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Post by kmbgs on Feb 22, 2016 12:05:41 GMT -5
So wait, who actually still works with Dr. Luke anymore? It would seem cra to me if Katy Perry still did given she and Kesha were/are friends, right? Do we know if he's involved with her next album at all?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 12:10:31 GMT -5
Demi needs to sit her ass in a stadium of seats. What exactly has SHE done directly to help Kesha, beyond #freekesha tweets? She acts like SHE is up making historic marches rallying against anti-feminist behavior and policies and all of this negativity thrown at Taylor after Taylor reached out to her in support while she was in rehab. THIS so much. I was just telling a friend in an earlier conversation that if Demi is so concerned, why doesn't SHE become the advocate for assault and rape victims? Why does she need to wait on Taylor to do or say anything for her - there is a void there, but rather than looking to Taylor to be the ultimate feminist who takes on literally every element of feminism possible, Demi could build her own brand around being the person who takes on this particular element instead of armchair quarterbacking. This Facebook news headline is telling me Demi's trying to backtrack and say she isn't talking about Taylor though. Sure, ok. There are a lot of different aspects to feminism and it may simply come down to Taylor being in support of Kesha but maybe not feeling comfortably knowledgeable or experienced enough to fully take on an advocacy position to this extent. If Taylor perceives such a role further being tied into advocating specifically for victims in the industry, she might find it especially daunting for various reasons. That is perfectly fine, much in the same way it's perfectly fine to donate money to your favorite cause and leave the actual work to the people hired for their expertise in the area. So wait, who actually still works with Dr. Luke anymore? It would seem cra to me if Katy Perry still did given she and Kesha were/are friends, right? Do we know if he's involved with her next album at all? I haven't been keeping track in her thread so maybe someone else can confirm or deny, but I would be surprised if they weren't working together again, since he's been EP on all her previous albums. If I'm not mistaken Katy plans on releasing something this year so she might be in a really awkward position if she's already completed some stuff with him (i.e. incurred cost of production) because now she and Capitol have to decide if it is better to scrap it all and eat the costs, or take the risk of releasing it. They might keep his material and leave his name off the credits, or relegate his stuff to album track status. That is all assuming she's already far along in the album making process, though. It's hard to tell who is "still working" with someone when they are in between eras because it really depends on what stage of recording the person is in. If she hasn't gone in the studio with him yet she can cut ties pretty easily.
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Post by Caviar on Feb 22, 2016 12:19:01 GMT -5
Since when do people actually take Demi seriously? Like when did people start giving a fuck about her?
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Post by wjr15 on Feb 22, 2016 12:31:34 GMT -5
So there's a petition going around to have Kesha perform at Pittsburgh Pride this year and the organization that books the event even shared the petition. Is Kesha still allowed to perform live? Or would she even be willing to perform her past hits?
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 22, 2016 12:38:25 GMT -5
I don't think the stipulations of a recording contract can limit a recording artist's ability to perform. Well, I guess it would depend on the contract.
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Post by Eqbk on Feb 22, 2016 12:39:40 GMT -5
I just read that TMZ article. Can Dr. Luke actually withhold royalties from someone?
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Post by nightshade on Feb 22, 2016 12:39:56 GMT -5
So there's a petition going around to have Kesha perform at Pittsburgh Pride this year and the organization that books the event even shared the petition. Is Kesha still allowed to perform live? Or would she even be willing to perform her past hits? I believe she is still allowed to perform live seeing as how she's booked for Spring Break in my area and it's a pretty big place for college/university Spring Breakers to go to. As far as performing her past hits go... I believe she already has performed quite a few of them before the hearing (and after the suit/counter suits were filed) but of course I'm not sure how she feels about doing so after the fact.
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Post by RockaByeBaby on Feb 22, 2016 12:41:11 GMT -5
Didn't she perform in Brazil, at LA Pride and stuff last year?
(Was that before she added Sony to the lawsuit? Does it have an impact?)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 12:47:22 GMT -5
So there's a petition going around to have Kesha perform at Pittsburgh Pride this year and the organization that books the event even shared the petition. Is Kesha still allowed to perform live? Or would she even be willing to perform her past hits? No restriction on her performing - she's done a few sporadic performances since she first filed her suit so I'm assuming it's not a problem now. And even if it was, Luke and Sony's legal teams would surely advise them that it's not the wisest PR move right now to block her from singing any of her material. She may not be feeling up to singing a bunch of songs with Luke's name attached to them. I think Blah Blah Blah is the only single he didn't produces, and she may not feel like people would want to hear her sing album cuts. I think people would gladly accept it if she did go the album-cuts route though, given the circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 12:57:10 GMT -5
I just read that TMZ article. Can Dr. Luke actually withhold royalties from someone? I just looked at that. Technically no, but I believe the way royalties are paid are, the money goes to the publishing company and then the publishing company divvies it out, usually quarterly. And Kesha is signed to Luke's publishing company (Jesus Christ this is so messy and awful) so he is in a position to ah, sit on the money for a while before finally sending it her way. May also be a situation where Luke is willing to cut off his nose to spite his face (i.e. if he can at all blackball her airplay he might do it b/c he can earn residuals from other songs; Kesha can't).
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Feb 22, 2016 13:30:43 GMT -5
So there's a petition going around to have Kesha perform at Pittsburgh Pride this year and the organization that books the event even shared the petition. Is Kesha still allowed to perform live? Or would she even be willing to perform her past hits? I believe she is still allowed to perform live seeing as how she's booked for Spring Break in my area and it's a pretty big place for college/university Spring Breakers to go to. As far as performing her past hits go... I believe she already has performed quite a few of them before the hearing (and after the suit/counter suits were filed) but of course I'm not sure how she feels about doing so after the fact. Yes, she also played a surprise gig in Nashville in late December 2015 -- this is as full an accounting as I could find of the set list. I'm wondering if Kesha's contract with Kemosabe is a 360 that also entitles the label to a cut of proceeds from live gig ticket sales, merchandise, etc. I hope not, obviously, but if she feels up to some more regular performing, I feel like it could make for one hell of an outlet for her to go out and play new material. Is there any doubt that her fans would show up to support? I suppose the performance license issue might complicate things and again, I don't want to make presumptions about her state of mind/readiness to do something like that. This is also going to sound hare-brained and it's really nothing more than me flailing around wishing there were an escape hatch out of an incredibly traumatizing situation, as if Kesha doesn't have a team of professionals helping her figure all that out. But after reading the Scene recap about the live arrangements and also knowing Kesha's mother's background, it occurred to me that Kesha transferring over to Sony Nashville for a new country- or roots-themed project would put her in a different world of label people, a different musical world and maybe even potentially address her Sony promotion concern. True, Sony could lean on its Nashville arm not to promote the project (and it's also fair to say that country radio would be a big hurdle for Kesha). But on the other hand, isn't it possible that Sony would see this as a potentially graceful way to plug what has been horrendous PR for the label group and something that will probably impact its ability to sign any female artist in the future? Obviously, this would depend on Kesha even being interested in exploring a countrier or at least rootsier musical direction -- that shouldn't be dictated by others' power plays. And it wouldn't address the point that slowmo made earlier about how Dr. Luke would still probably be making money off Kesha's music sales and publishing (they can't put that money into a trust pending the resolution of the assault trial?). But on the other hand, I think that Kesha would attract a lot of support from Nashville songwriters (who have been crossing over to pop anyway to some degree anyway) and get a world of support from the country blogosphere and maybe even some tastemakers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 13:40:47 GMT -5
I really don't understand why we expect pop stars and Demi to be voices of change and social justice. They are merely singers who do best just entertaining. I also don't understand Demi coming for Taylor as if Taylor is a president,social activist, lawyer or a senator.
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Post by kanimal on Feb 22, 2016 13:51:50 GMT -5
I really don't understand why we expect pop stars and Demi to be voices of change and social justice. They are merely singers who do best just entertaining. I also don't understand Demi coming for Taylor as if Taylor is a president,social activist, lawyer or a senator. The criticism was being levied against Taylor (let's not forget, there were plenty of people wondering why Taylor was silent before Demi ranted) because she brands herself as a voice for women's empowerment. So, yes, you'd expect her to weigh in on these kinds of topics. I don't believe Selena Gomez has Tweeted about this either, but Selena doesn't really brand herself as any sort of advocate for social change, so there's less of an expectation. It seems Demi's stance is -- if you want to be Selena Gomez and just sing, fine. If you want to be a face of the women's rights movement and brand your concerts and awards speeches as girl power moments, it'd be nice if you took on some contentious topics. === In other news, Dr. Luke's lawyer defends the ruling, takes aim at the allegations: www.ew.com/article/2016/02/22/dr-luke-kesha-free-recordWill be interesting to see how this is reported.
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Feb 22, 2016 14:02:01 GMT -5
Taylor: Queen of Personal Brand Management. Who else gets every. single. criticism about her deflected as mere hateration and butthurtedness? Honestly, that's probably what I respect about her the most but...good for her for giving Kesha money when she needs it most.
Self-preservation and success at all costs is at the very heart of the music industry, so all y'all hoping for the swift decline of Dr. Luke might as well find other ways to pass the time. I really like Kesha though and I hate seeing anyone suffer the way she has been so I hope things work out for the best.
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Post by Gray. on Feb 22, 2016 15:12:27 GMT -5
All the applause to Taylor for giving such a nice gift to someone who needs it.
Demi, girl, bye. It's like when Zendaya got her Barbie doll and suddenly Demi thinks it's about time she had one in her own image too. Other people can have nice things.
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Post by Libra on Feb 22, 2016 15:26:47 GMT -5
But the fact that the media and general public have GROSSLY misinterpreted what actually happened in this hearing makes it easier to speak out now. It went from being a complicated question of "Should someone be let out of a binding contract while an allegation she made is being litigated" to the simple question of "Should a woman be forced to work with the man who 100% unequivocally absolutely raped her." Indeed, and actually it'd be nice if slander laws could be updated to reflect this new age of click-bait. (Though would that even be possible?) Personally for me it's not so much about this case but rather simply that I despise the practice of click-baity headlines altogether. There was an issue that came up here in Michigan not too long ago that got this same click-bait spin treatment, and it annoyed me to no end to see people convenient-raging over the lies.
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Post by Treacherous on Feb 22, 2016 16:28:35 GMT -5
I don't get Demi when she says that she didn't grow up with money and doesn't have as much as her yet she is charging 10k for a meet and greet on her upcoming tour.
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Post by **βécky**™ on Feb 22, 2016 16:30:28 GMT -5
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 22, 2016 17:17:33 GMT -5
Where are Demi's PR people? Honestly, she is coming off absolutely awful. Like, even her hardcore fans are distancing themselves. She needs to log out and take a breather.
It will be interesting to see how the actual trial goes. If I am understanding correctly, Kesha will have to prove (in civil court) that she was abused, correct?
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Feb 22, 2016 17:22:02 GMT -5
Zedd also offered to produce for her.
In terms of Luke, surely she and him won't be in the same room together again. It's not like Sony is going to just let him do business as usual with her. The worst part going forward will be that he will be making money off of everything she does (hello, Mariah recorded for Sony for four more years while Tommy was still head of Columbia and raking in her money). But, SIX more albums?? What kind of contract was this to begin with?!
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Post by **βécky**™ on Feb 22, 2016 17:31:07 GMT -5
In terms of Luke, surely she and him won't be in the same room together again. It's not like Sony is going to just let him do business as usual with her. The worst part going forward will be that he will be making money off of everything she does (hello, Mariah recorded for Sony for four more years while Tommy was still head of Columbia and raking in her money). But, SIX more albums?? What kind of contract was this to begin with?! The not having to work in the same room has already been established. But he still basically owns her. She can't release anything Luke doesn't approve. Only 2 songs ended up on Warrior that she did without him or forced to do by him (Love into the light, Past lives). Pretty sure her contract is Luke-exclusive, he's also holding her royalties as he owns the publishing company Prescription Songs. The Judge ordered that she CAN work with others without his approval, but she can't release without HIS approval. Which is basically the same. He canceled that side project album with The flaming lips that was done without him.
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Post by getonthebus on Feb 22, 2016 17:37:12 GMT -5
Luke just made a scene on Twitter. I ain't even gonna post it because I think it's messy af
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 17:43:32 GMT -5
Where are Demi's PR people? Honestly, she is coming off absolutely awful. Like, even her hardcore fans are distancing themselves. She needs to log out and take a breather. It will be interesting to see how the actual trial goes. If I am understanding correctly, Kesha will have to prove (in civil court) that she was abused, correct? Yeah. The standard of evidence is a bit lower in civil court than in criminal though. It really makes Adele's team look like geniuses for making sure her tweets are run by at least two people before they actually get posted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 17:47:00 GMT -5
In terms of Luke, surely she and him won't be in the same room together again. It's not like Sony is going to just let him do business as usual with her. The worst part going forward will be that he will be making money off of everything she does (hello, Mariah recorded for Sony for four more years while Tommy was still head of Columbia and raking in her money). But, SIX more albums?? What kind of contract was this to begin with?! The not having to work in the same room has already been established. But he still basically owns her. She can't release anything Luke doesn't approve. Only 2 songs ended up on Warrior that she did without him or forced to do by him (Love into the light, Past lives). Pretty sure her contract is Luke-exclusive, he's also holding her royalties as he owns the publishing company Prescription Songs. The Judge ordered that she CAN work with others without his approval, but she can't release without HIS approval. Which is basically the same. He canceled that side project album with The flaming lips that was done without him. Damn, I misinterpreted - I thought it was that she couldn't release without Sony's approval (which is bad enough but to say they'd block her is admittedly still speculative). Leaving final approval in Luke's hands is straight up b.s.
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