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Post by stunnedout on Feb 24, 2016 19:28:26 GMT -5
I wonder how much it would cost to buy her out of her contract? These celebs supporting her should put something together. I don't understand why Sony hasn't taken care of the issue.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 22:12:43 GMT -5
Came across this article earlier today which actually puts Sony in a somewhat sympathetic light. www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-23/why-sony-music-can-t-easily-cancel-kesha-s-contract?utm_content=26291398&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebooktl;dr version: It's not quite so easy for Sony to set Kesha free. Sony and Luke don't have an outright recording contract, but a music furnishing agreement. Sony owns Kemosabe, but Luke owns Kasz Money and Prescription Songs (publishing company). Kesha is signed to Kemosabe, Kasz, AND Prescription, while Sony isn't even indirectly involved in the latter two deals. When Kesha tried to get her contract renegotiated after Animal's success, it was Luke, not Sony, who refused. Kasz and Kemosabe will now "mutually decide" who the producer of Kesha's next project will be, which of course is horse shit because Luke owns one and is CEO of the other. This article suggests that it's a PR nightmare for Sony right now because it makes the label look like the bad guy along with Luke, when in reality its hands are kind of tied. These are a lot of legal nuances that most of the general public simply wouldn't understand (or even believe tbh). And on that note it is likely not that easy to buy her out for the simple fact that Luke may choose to dig his heels in and not let her go at any price. Too much is still dependent on his final say. It's still not clear if Sony is really culpable for looking the other way when it knew or should have known something was wrong; but based on the inability to renegotiate after Animal it looks like it came down to Luke flat out not being willing to give her up. All things that might help build a solid argument for the 2017 trial, but not for a contract dispute. For however many millions the most successful artists in the biz are making, their labels are making at least 10 times that much. And everybody ain't Taylor...much as I love the idea of a celebrity Go Fund Me. 6 albums is a lot and even with Warrior not being so successful, I could easily see the current value being set at 60-80 million - just for the Kemosabe and Kasz deals, not even factoring in the publishing which would shoot it up even more. Not sure why I even bothered speculating on the math though. Luke is by all appearances not about to take any offers. Probably the only thing Sony could do now is buy out *their* contract with Luke - pay whatever amount would satisfy the remainder between Kemosabe and Kasz - but this only "frees" Kesha from Sony and cuts Sony out of the ordeal to save face. It does nothing to get her away from her deals with Luke.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 24, 2016 22:28:56 GMT -5
That picture of Kesha with Gaga is heartwarming. The stuff in the last post isn't. That sounds awful.
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Post by **βécky**™ on Feb 24, 2016 22:33:20 GMT -5
So Dr.Luke has a iron grip on her career and SONY can't really do anything other than buy her out only to free themselves. Kesha would still be bound to her alleged abuser.
What a fucking shit storm, this paints Luke so much more worse in my books. Gross.
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Post by Caviar on Feb 24, 2016 22:47:04 GMT -5
Luke is a fucking idiot. Hope this hits his bottom line.
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Post by BDGeek on Feb 24, 2016 23:27:15 GMT -5
Doesn't Sony's 5-year deal with Kemosabe expire later this year? If they don't renew the deal, could Kesha potentially get screwed even further by being stuck on Kemosabe without Sony's support?
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Post by Heart Shaped Box on Feb 24, 2016 23:40:47 GMT -5
Poor Kesha. You know Luke will stop at nothing to destroy her career now instead of just freeing her.
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Post by BDGeek on Feb 24, 2016 23:58:03 GMT -5
I think Demi is jealous of Taylor. Demi, like many fans and other artists, is probably also sick of Taylor's omnipresence. Taylor has somehow managed to be at the nexus of music for nearly a decade, almost unwaveringly. Most female artists have experienced some sort of flop and/or major controversy by that point in their careers, Demi included. There's certainly jealousy to an extent, given that they compete on the same format and for the same friends (Selena). But I can't fault Demi for being frustrated that another artist, who has arguably less talent than Demi herself, consistently manages to outperform all other artists and make every major conversation about herself in some way, even when it's not directly relevant to her. That said, Demi's attack on Taylor was in poor taste. Even though I initially rolled my eyes at the donation (as I often do with most things Taylor does), I'll concede that it's a beneficial gesture to Kesha. Demi gained nothing from criticizing it, nor does she really help Kesha by doing so.
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Post by wjr15 on Feb 25, 2016 1:02:11 GMT -5
I think Demi is jealous of Taylor. Demi, like many fans and other artists, is probably also sick of Taylor's omnipresence. Taylor has somehow managed to be at the nexus of music for nearly a decade, almost unwaveringly. Most female artists have experienced some sort of flop and/or major controversy by that point in their careers, Demi included. There's certainly jealousy to an extent, given that they compete on the same format and for the same friends (Selena). But I can't fault Demi for being frustrated that another artist, who has arguably less talent than Demi herself, consistently manages to outperform all other artists and make every major conversation about herself in some way, even when it's not directly relevant to her. That said, Demi's attack on Taylor was in poor taste. Even though I initially rolled my eyes at the donation (as I often do with most things Taylor does), I'll concede that it's a beneficial gesture to Kesha. Demi gained nothing from criticizing it, nor does she really help Kesha by doing so. I wouldn't say Taylor is the nexus of music for nearly a decade. She's just currently near the end of a massively successful era. Same thing could be said about Katy in 2012 or Gaga in 2010 if they did the same thing. I do agree that Demi is probably upset that Taylor is doing much better than she is but she probably shouldn't be releasing her personal issues with other artists over Twitter. I mean Taylor has done the same thing on Twitter. But the issue here is Kesha and this feud is just so unnecessary,
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Post by Snowbeast on Feb 25, 2016 1:31:37 GMT -5
I mean, absolutely nobody is going to buy production from him anymore aside from what he forced upon his flop roster. His career is done whether he holds onto her or not, and I can see him being the psycho that would drag her down with him.
admins should ban his old account for being a rapist loser
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Feb 25, 2016 6:02:19 GMT -5
Demi should be one to talk about feminism with the lyrics of Heart Attack setting girls and women back about 20 years.
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Post by spooky21 on Feb 25, 2016 8:05:44 GMT -5
Personally, I don't necessarily believe either side 100%. The truth is somewhere in the middle, I'm sure. If he's guilty of this, why did she wait so long and throw it in as part of a contract lawsuit? The timing just looks suspect. But, if he really is innocent, why in the world hasn't he filed a defamation suit against her? I think you're confused. The sexual allegations were the first suit filed. The contractiual lawsuit came after. Dr. Luke also filed a defamation suit that was dismissed. The defamation lawsuit against Kesha was not dismissed, it is still pending. It was the similar lawsuit against Kesha's mother, Pebe, that was dismissed......and largely because there were jurisdiction concerns and because Dr. Luke couldn't prove the extent of Pebe control over Kesha, i.e. to prove control and extortion.
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Post by getonthebus on Feb 25, 2016 11:31:43 GMT -5
She cancelled her Chicago concert for Friday (which was rescheduled from one cancelled in 2014, when she was in treatment), and has been in pictures with Gaga. Now she's rumored to be part of Gaga's performance at the Oscars.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 13:29:44 GMT -5
She cancelled her Chicago concert for Friday (which was rescheduled from one cancelled in 2014, when she was in treatment), and has been in pictures with Gaga. Now she's rumored to be part of Gaga's performance at the Oscars. That's...loaded. If true.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Feb 25, 2016 14:09:58 GMT -5
Demi should be one to talk about feminism with the lyrics of Heart Attack setting girls and women back about 20 years. This is about as silly as Demi's rant.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 14:17:39 GMT -5
She cancelled her Chicago concert for Friday (which was rescheduled from one cancelled in 2014, when she was in treatment), and has been in pictures with Gaga. Now she's rumored to be part of Gaga's performance at the Oscars.That's...loaded. If true. And it all makes perfect sense.
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Post by getonthebus on Feb 25, 2016 14:23:57 GMT -5
She cancelled her Chicago concert for Friday (which was rescheduled from one cancelled in 2014, when she was in treatment), and has been in pictures with Gaga. Now she's rumored to be part of Gaga's performance at the Oscars. That's...loaded. If true. It would be an atomic bomb in the industry.
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Post by Caviar on Feb 25, 2016 14:30:37 GMT -5
That's...loaded. If true. It would be an atomic bomb in the industry. Jesus..this is HUGE!!! Talk about perfect timing?!?
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Post by kmbgs on Feb 25, 2016 14:34:38 GMT -5
Wow, she actually is the perfect person to be in the Gaga Oscar performance. Like literally. Ok girl, get that spotlight.
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Post by Enigma. on Feb 25, 2016 14:55:08 GMT -5
Hope so much it's true. I don't see why they spent time together tho, if that wasn't the case
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Feb 25, 2016 15:34:44 GMT -5
gaga has always been about helping/working with other women. hopefully we get something like DWYW with ch-tina
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Post by wjr15 on Feb 25, 2016 16:46:59 GMT -5
Interesting Buzzfeed article: www.buzzfeed.com/reggieugwu/we-asked-20-pop-stars-about-dr-luke#.pvqgnQALlJust wondering, so many pop stars are supporting Kesha on Twitter or through donations, but why aren't any of these pop stars management taking a stance? If all these stars say that they won't work with Dr Luke, then he won't have a career and that is way more influential than some Twitter hashtag
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Post by Kinney on Feb 25, 2016 17:05:16 GMT -5
...I mean, it's Buzzfeed. They probably spoke to the assistants to the spokespeople, who get inundated with tons of requests daily. It's a complete non-story.
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Post by getonthebus on Feb 25, 2016 17:15:25 GMT -5
Interesting Buzzfeed article: www.buzzfeed.com/reggieugwu/we-asked-20-pop-stars-about-dr-luke#.pvqgnQALlJust wondering, so many pop stars are supporting Kesha on Twitter or through donations, but why aren't any of these pop stars management taking a stance? If all these stars say that they won't work with Dr Luke, then he won't have a career and that is way more influential than some Twitter hashtag Some of them could be "forced" to by their labels, some of them may not be sure of what the exact clauses of their contracts are, who knows. It's also probably the fact that their camps don't want them to get tangled up in this, even though the artist has spoken out on their own via social media already.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Feb 25, 2016 17:28:30 GMT -5
Interesting Buzzfeed article: www.buzzfeed.com/reggieugwu/we-asked-20-pop-stars-about-dr-luke#.pvqgnQALlJust wondering, so many pop stars are supporting Kesha on Twitter or through donations, but why aren't any of these pop stars management taking a stance? If all these stars say that they won't work with Dr Luke, then he won't have a career and that is way more influential than some Twitter hashtag The problem with that is it is more than just Dr. Luke in the production department. The man has built an army of songwriters and producers including Benny Blanco, Ammo, Cirkut, Rock City, etc. With that list about 50-60% of those people have worked with either Luke or one of the above in the past year or so.
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Post by Caviar on Feb 25, 2016 17:33:09 GMT -5
Has Katy said anything about this? She's been in bed (no pun) with him since the beginning. I'm eager to hear her position.
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Post by Dylan :) on Feb 25, 2016 17:38:04 GMT -5
That would be amazing it was true
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Post by getonthebus on Feb 25, 2016 17:41:13 GMT -5
Interesting Buzzfeed article: www.buzzfeed.com/reggieugwu/we-asked-20-pop-stars-about-dr-luke#.pvqgnQALlJust wondering, so many pop stars are supporting Kesha on Twitter or through donations, but why aren't any of these pop stars management taking a stance? If all these stars say that they won't work with Dr Luke, then he won't have a career and that is way more influential than some Twitter hashtag The problem with that is it is more than just Dr. Luke in the production department. The man has built an army of songwriters and producers including Benny Blanco, Ammo, Cirkut, Rock City, etc. With that list about 50-60% of those people have worked with either Luke or one of the above in the past year or so. Exactly! Not to mention the number of rejected songs he's written that are still floating out there. Is recording a 3-year-old Luke-penned song working with him? It's such a gray area, and kind of a dumb, simple question for the reality of things..
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Feb 25, 2016 17:46:13 GMT -5
The problem with that is it is more than just Dr. Luke in the production department. The man has built an army of songwriters and producers including Benny Blanco, Ammo, Cirkut, Rock City, etc. With that list about 50-60% of those people have worked with either Luke or one of the above in the past year or so. Exactly! Not to mention the number of rejected songs he's written that are still floating out there. Is recording a 3-year-old Luke-penned song working with him? It's such a gray area, and kind of a dumb, simple question for the reality of things.. Anything that will gain him a profit would be considered "working for him".
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Post by kmbgs on Feb 25, 2016 17:53:19 GMT -5
LOL, no. Are radio stations spinning BTHE, SUBG, Tik Tok, California Gurls, E.T., Timber, etc., generating royalties to him as a songwriter working for Luke? No.
You tried it though.
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