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Post by RadioBeatz on Nov 30, 2013 11:48:15 GMT -5
Can someone tell me what is the freeze? After Thanksgiving (and in some cases, before) the adult formats start playing more Christmas music (with some stations playing only Christmas music). During the week between Christmas and New Year's, many stations across all formats are pre-programmed and play only year-end countdowns. Labels also don't send many new songs for adds in December. All of this combined means a general slowdown in the growth of new music during the month of December. Also, the name "freeze" may also refer to the fact that the Radio & Records charts used to actually "freeze" and not publish new radio charts for a couple of weeks every December. Nice info. :) They used to usually froze the last week of December and the first week of January I think, so those charts didn't count at all? Since 2006 there's no freeze on Mediabase/CHR-Pop, right? I was wondering why before 2006 there was no chart in the final weeks of the year. |
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Post by ss8 on Nov 30, 2013 12:57:09 GMT -5
so..with Timber and Counting Stars starting to explode (plus Miley this week), looks like Em and Rih BETTER get that video out by next week if they want #1 100% (if they dont get it do to Miley this week) as the all the #s will be peaking. If the video doesnt come out soon I'm gonna starting to get concerned it 'may' not make it:(.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 12:59:45 GMT -5
After Thanksgiving (and in some cases, before) the adult formats start playing more Christmas music (with some stations playing only Christmas music). During the week between Christmas and New Year's, many stations across all formats are pre-programmed and play only year-end countdowns. Labels also don't send many new songs for adds in December. All of this combined means a general slowdown in the growth of new music during the month of December. Also, the name "freeze" may also refer to the fact that the Radio & Records charts used to actually "freeze" and not publish new radio charts for a couple of weeks every December. Nice info. :) They used to usually froze the last week of December and the first week of January I think, so those charts didn't count at all? Since 2006 there's no freeze on Mediabase/CHR-Pop, right? I was wondering why before 2006 there was no chart in the final weeks of the year. Correct. |
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Post by Libra on Nov 30, 2013 16:32:50 GMT -5
It's funny we have the first authentic EDM airplay #1 (i.e. not a dance song from a pop artist) Although, I think this song can count too: The widely-known version is the Todd Terry Remix. The original song is far from even a dance song. |
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Post by Libra on Nov 30, 2013 16:35:05 GMT -5
Nice info. :) They used to usually froze the last week of December and the first week of January I think, so those charts didn't count at all? Since 2006 there's no freeze on Mediabase/CHR-Pop, right? I was wondering why before 2006 there was no chart in the final weeks of the year. Correct. I thought recurrent rules were still frozen for two weeks for some reason? It was either '05 or '06 where this didn't happen, but otherwise Mediabase has still halted recurrent rules over the holidays. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 16:35:22 GMT -5
Although, I think this song can count too: The widely-known version is the Todd Terry Remix. The original song is far from even a dance song. ...and EBTG are not an EDM act. There have been #1s by dance acts before, but they pre-dated "EDM". |
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Post by allow that on Nov 30, 2013 17:18:29 GMT -5
Yeah, EBT's remixed hit single may be DM but it definitely lacks the E.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 17:33:52 GMT -5
I thought recurrent rules were still frozen for two weeks for some reason? It was either '05 or '06 where this didn't happen, but otherwise Mediabase has still halted recurrent rules over the holidays. Mediabase halts its recurrent rules, but we were referring to the freezing of the R&R charts for two weeks every winter. Now that R&R doesn't exist, there's no freezing of charts (because the charts don't exist). |
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Post by Libra on Nov 30, 2013 17:49:26 GMT -5
Mediabase halts its recurrent rules, but we were referring to the freezing of the R&R charts for two weeks every winter. Now that R&R doesn't exist, there's no freezing of charts (because the charts don't exist). I know, but I assume what that really means is no "freezing" of charts means they'll still appear in places like All Access during those weeks? Because I would think they still "existed" in Mediabase's own system during those weeks anyway - it's just R&R that wouldn't publish them. I'm referring to the fact that R&R used Mediabase as its source for at least some of its years. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 18:05:27 GMT -5
I thought recurrent rules were still frozen for two weeks for some reason? It was either '05 or '06 where this didn't happen, but otherwise Mediabase has still halted recurrent rules over the holidays. Mediabase halts its recurrent rules, but we were referring to the freezing of the R&R charts for two weeks every winter. Now that R&R doesn't exist, there's no freezing of charts (because the charts don't exist). Billboard used to freeze the Hot 100 over the Christmas/New Year's week as well; beginning in the mid 70's, and continuing until the advent of Soundscan/BDS in the early 90's. |
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Post by RadioBeatz on Nov 30, 2013 20:17:14 GMT -5
What about DHT's cover of "Listen To Your Heart"? #1 on Pop back in 2005, the original version was the dance one not the ballad.
"We Found Love" has Calvin Harris as feature and then there's David Guetta/Usher "Without You", so I guess they were the first EDM acts to hit #1 altough "Wake Me Up!" could be the first truly EDM song to hit #1 on Top 40.
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Post by velaxti on Nov 30, 2013 20:58:59 GMT -5
The 1st "EDM" airplay #1 was probably something from the 90's. This isn't a recent thing at all. Just that after the "success" of dubstep (I don't want to call it success, because there wasn't ever an actual dubstep chart hit in the US), record companies are promoting their pop songs with the label "EDM" to make them seem like part of a new genre coming up from the underground. I guess people are falling for it.
I wouldn't even consider Wake Me Up as "EDM", it's more like folk-pop. Songs like The Way I Are by Timbaland, Ayo Technology by 50 Cent, Everytime We Touch by Cascada are more "EDM" than Avicii's recent country songs.
Most people in Europe who are 30+ will tell you that electronic dance music was bigger in the 90's than it is currently.
You might think I'm making this up, but I live in the UK. Artists I used to hear on the radio, at school discos, birthday parties, etc. when I was very young, 6 or 7 years old, like Eiffel 65, Gina G, Vengaboys, Aqua, S Club 7, Steps, etc. were doing the exact same music as Cedric Gervais or Calvin Harris do now.
Lots of dance producers I've known for a long time. All of them do the exact same music they have always done, but they embrace the "EDM" label, since it makes them more popular. Calvin Harris got famous in the UK in 2007, and had his songs on the radio all the time ever since, and he was doing the EXACT same music back then that he does now, and nobody was calling him EDM, until his record label starting forcing that label on him to promote him in the US. Same with Avicii. Back in 2010 I first heard his song called Bromance on Radio 1 played by Scott Mills. It was an instrumental. Nobody called him "EDM", even though Bromance is more "EDM" than his music now is.
To sum up, "EDM" is a new term to describe music that has been around for decades.
Just because it's a male DJ from Europe as the lead artist, it does not mean it's a different type of music. Wake Me Up is just as "EDM" as Timber is.
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Post by velaxti on Nov 30, 2013 21:05:13 GMT -5
What about DHT's cover of "Listen To Your Heart"? #1 on Pop back in 2005, the original version was the dance one not the ballad. "We Found Love" has Calvin Harris as feature and then there's David Guetta/Usher "Without You", so I guess they were the first EDM acts to hit #1 altough "Wake Me Up!" could be the first truly EDM song to hit #1 on Top 40. DJ Sammy - Heaven DHT - Listen to Your Heart Cascada - Everytime We Touch All these songs had piano ballad remixes, which I think helped them get extra HAC and AC airplay, and managed to get them into the top 10 on the Hot 100? Those songs are from the mid-00s, but are the same style of music that dominated the past few years. |
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Post by RadioBeatz on Nov 30, 2013 21:10:38 GMT -5
So I guess EDM is a "new" thing in the US but it's been around a while longer in Europe.  Gina G, Aqua, Eiffel 65 scored hits in the 90s over here, that Blue Da Ba Dee song was so popular when I was a kid. |
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Post by Libra on Nov 30, 2013 21:29:12 GMT -5
What about DHT's cover of "Listen To Your Heart"? #1 on Pop back in 2005, the original version was the dance one not the ballad. Doesn't matter. It would only be up for whether it counts or not if the dance version was the only one that Pop played, which wasn't the case.EDIT: Shouldn't be up for consideration anyways; it didn't go to #1 on Hot 100 Airplay. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 21:34:46 GMT -5
I think the ballad version of "Listen To Your Heart" received the bulk of the airplay.
Some dance acts like Londonbeat and C+C Music Factory hit #1 in the 90s, but it's a bit anachronistic to apply the term EDM to them when that term didn't even exist until well over a decade after they were released.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Nov 30, 2013 21:37:34 GMT -5
I think the ballad version of "Listen To Your Heart" received the bulk of the airplay. Some dance acts like Londonbeat and C+C Music Factory hit #1 in the 90s, but it's a bit anachronistic to apply the term EDM to them when that term didn't even exist until well over a decade after they were released. EDM isn't that different to Eurodance though. The closest Eurodance #1 on Hot 100 Airplay would be Real McCoy's "Another Night". |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 21:39:57 GMT -5
I think the ballad version of "Listen To Your Heart" received the bulk of the airplay. Some dance acts like Londonbeat and C+C Music Factory hit #1 in the 90s, but it's a bit anachronistic to apply the term EDM to them when that term didn't even exist until well over a decade after they were released. EDM isn't that different to Eurodance though. The closest Eurodance #1 on Hot 100 Airplay would be Real McCoy's "Another Night". Some people trace EDM all the way back to the mid-70s with songs like Donna Summer's "I Feel Love" (it is technically electronic dance music). The question, is are those antecedents to the genre that people today call EDM or actually part of the genre before the name EDM was applied to that type of music? |
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Post by Libra on Nov 30, 2013 21:42:27 GMT -5
Another Night would probably be the best pre-2000s candidate for it yet mentioned, tbqh.
Oh, and it's worth noting that Hot 100 Airplay didn't even exist pre-October 20, 1984. :)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 22:11:40 GMT -5
Is EDM the same thing as what used to be called "club music" back in the 90's?
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Post by chartfreak on Nov 30, 2013 23:00:56 GMT -5
Is EDM the same thing as what used to be called "club music" back in the 90's? For me, yes. EDM on todays top 40 is the same stuff we listened to in the 90's. Pump Up The Jam anyone? |
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Post by Xedretinz Lododnz on Dec 1, 2013 1:07:51 GMT -5
I think Wrecking Ball will go back to no.1 this week because of the viral video of Chatroulette..... I'm starting to doubt about The Monster hitting no.1 -_- plus Timber is coming like a Dark Horse... maybe it will get that no.1 before The Monster do
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Post by slamina on Dec 1, 2013 3:08:21 GMT -5
Anyone think it's possible for Pitbull/Kesha to block Eminem/Rih on the hot 100?
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Dec 1, 2013 6:06:47 GMT -5
Anyone think it's possible for Pitbull/Kesha to block Eminem/Rih on the hot 100? Only if something weird happens with streaming. Radio - EmRi have a big lead and their daily gains are bigger than PitK; sales are pretty even (TM has a version hover around 30). |
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Post by slamina on Dec 1, 2013 6:39:29 GMT -5
Ah gotcha. Thanks.
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Post by Rocky on Dec 1, 2013 7:35:05 GMT -5
1. AVICII – Wake Me Up: 179.600 (- 0.970)
2. LORDE – Royals: 175.181 (- 2.757)
3. DRAKE – Hold On We’re, Going Home: 158.205 (- 1.977)
4. IMAGINE DRAGONS – Demons: 155.987 (+ 1.899)
5. EMINEM – The Monster f/Rihanna: 148.242 (+ 1.798)
6. MILEY CYRUS – Wrecking Ball: 141.640 (- 2.018)
7. ONEREPUBLIC – Counting Stars: 133.138 (+ 2.169)
8. KATY PERRY – Roar: 105.056 (- 3.560)
9. LADY GAGA – Applause: 90.912 (- 2.664)
10. JAY Z – Holy Grail f/Justin Timberlake: 87.747 (- 1.129)
11. KATY PERRY – Unconditionally: 85.050 (+ 0.064)
12. PITBULL – Timber f/Ke$ha: 80.252 (+ 1.438)
13. ZEDD – Stay The Night f/H. Williams: 71.938 (- 0.112)
14. PASSENGER – Let Her Go: 71.759 (+ 0.892)
15. SELENA GOMEZ – Slow Down: 65.964 (+ 0.180) ▲
16. JOE NICHOLS – Sunny And 75: 65.782 (+ 0.972) ▲
17. ROBIN THICKE – Blurred Lines f/Pharrell & T.I: 65.597 (- 1.017) ▼
18. KEITH URBAN & MIRANDA LAMBERT – We Were Us: 65.318 (+ 0.052) ▼
19. CHRIS BROWN – Love More f/Nicki Minaj: 61.637 (- 0.424)
20. PARMALEE – Carolina: 61.544 (+ 0.163)
MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS – White Walls f/ScHoolboy Q: 59.783 (+ 0.590)
ELI YOUNG BAND – Drunk Last Night: 58.363 (+ 0.295)
NEIGHBOURHOOD – Sweater Weather: 58.321 (+ 0.426)
LADY GAGA – Do What U Want f/R. Kelly: 57.388 (+ 1.149)
JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE – TKO: 53.504 (- 0.315)
THE BAND PERRY – Don’t Let Me Be Lonely: 52.627 (+ 0.546)
FLORIDA-GEORGIA LINE – Stay: 48.022 (+ 0.933)
JAY Z – Tom Ford: 46.376 (- 0.298)
CASSADEE POPE – Wasting All These Tears: 40.804 (+ 0.368)
LUKE BRYAN – Drink A Beer: 35.032 (+ 0.900)
ONE DIRECTION – Story Of My Life: 34.069 (+ 1.249)
BASTILLE – Pompeii: 32.387 (+ 0.012)
MARIAH CAREY – All I Want For Christmas Is…: 31.839
BRENDA LEE – Rockin’ Around The Christmas..: 31.812
LLIE GOULDING – Burn: 31.636 (+ 0.237)
BURL IVES – Have A Holly Jolly Christmas: 31.393
BOBBY HELMS – Jingle Bell Rock: 31.242
LADY ANTEBELLUM – Compass: 29.795 (- 0.236)
NAT KING COLE – The Christmas Song: 29.331
A GREAT BIG WORLD – Say Something w/C. Aguilera: 26.354 (+ 1.794)
JOHN LENNON – Happy Xmas/War Is Over: 25.975
LORDE – Team: 24.054 (+ 1.585)
ARIANA GRANDE – Right There f/Big Sean: 22.139 (- 0.329)
BRITNEY SPEARS – Perfume: 11.937 (+ 0.284)
KELLY CLARKSON – Underneath The Tree: 9.637 (+ 0.622)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2013 8:06:08 GMT -5
counting stars is doing very well in airplay compared to monster,timber or demons!
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 1, 2013 8:37:04 GMT -5
To me, EDM is just the latest "cool" term to apply to a sound that's been around for decades. It's had its ups and downs, like any genre, but it's been there in some form. And, I'd think it would be more fitting to stuff that's not so mainstream- that would enhance the "cool" factor of it. Like, "Wake Me Up" surely isn't a hardcore EDM track.
The usual suspects getting big holiday play. AIWFCIY is the baby of the lot, so, per the norm, it will leave the others in the sales dust.
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Post by RadioBeatz on Dec 1, 2013 10:18:09 GMT -5
and so the Christmas time begins. :) here's hoping AIWFCIY gets top 20 on the Hot 100.
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Dec 1, 2013 10:34:51 GMT -5
Top 10 12/14/13 Prediction
1.Wrecking Ball(by not to many points)
2.The Monster(So close)
3.Royals(By a small margin)
4.Timber
5.Counting Stars
6.Demons
7.Wake Me Up
8.Story Of My Life
9.Roar
10.Say Something/Let Her Go
15.Unconditionally/Do What You Want
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