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Post by KappaSquid on Jan 16, 2014 10:35:56 GMT -5
Lol 23 by Mike Will Made is 23 on the HOT 100
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Post by forg on Jan 16, 2014 11:39:14 GMT -5
Go Let It Go!
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Post by badrobot on Jan 16, 2014 11:45:44 GMT -5
Can someone identify which "ROCK" charts are leading the charge here? Passenger's "Let Her Go" reaches a new Hot 100 peak (7-6) and dethrones Lorde's "Royals" (4-7) on Hot Rock Songs. On what planet is LHG "rock"? You could say the same thing about Royals. Not a guitar in sight. Their genre charts often make no sense at all. |
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Jan 16, 2014 11:48:39 GMT -5
Can someone identify which "ROCK" charts are leading the charge here? Passenger's "Let Her Go" reaches a new Hot 100 peak (7-6) and dethrones Lorde's "Royals" (4-7) on Hot Rock Songs. On what planet is LHG "rock"? You can't really justify BB's reasoning for genre labeling, but I'm gonna guess & say that since the group make Rock like music, that's why they categorized it as a Rock song? I don't understand their reasoning. Beyoncé's 'XO' is close to becoming a Top 10 on R&B/Hip Hop, though it's nowhere close to an Urban song nor charting on Urban radio. That's great that she can capture another Top 10 on there, but I just don't get it. Lol |
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jan 16, 2014 11:52:55 GMT -5
Can someone identify which "ROCK" charts are leading the charge here? Passenger's "Let Her Go" reaches a new Hot 100 peak (7-6) and dethrones Lorde's "Royals" (4-7) on Hot Rock Songs. On what planet is LHG "rock"? Both songs charted on AAA, which contributes to Rock Airplay. |
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Post by Lozzy on Jan 16, 2014 12:06:07 GMT -5
Can someone identify which "ROCK" charts are leading the charge here? Passenger's "Let Her Go" reaches a new Hot 100 peak (7-6) and dethrones Lorde's "Royals" (4-7) on Hot Rock Songs. On what planet is LHG "rock"? You can't really justify BB's reasoning for genre labeling, but I'm gonna guess & say that since the group make Rock like music, that's why they categorized it as a Rock song? I don't understand their reasoning. Beyoncé's 'XO' is close to becoming a Top 10 on R&B/Hip Hop, though it's nowhere close to an Urban song nor charting on Urban radio. That's great that she can capture another Top 10 on there, but I just don't get it. Lol Passenger is one person  |
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Post by jebsib on Jan 16, 2014 13:30:04 GMT -5
The same planet where Heart's These Dreams was a huge rock hit, or Starship's Sara. Billboard's rock charts have a history of being sonically malleable. They aren't just all about heavy guitars.
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Post by mluv on Jan 16, 2014 15:12:53 GMT -5
Passenger's "Let Her Go" has at least one guitar in it. I'd guess it's a story teller folk rock song but since there's no such category they put it into rock. It's where they put groups like Mumford & Sons. It's probably from the Bob Dylan tradition of putting folk singers with rock.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Jan 16, 2014 15:13:22 GMT -5
Can someone identify which "ROCK" charts are leading the charge here? Passenger's "Let Her Go" reaches a new Hot 100 peak (7-6) and dethrones Lorde's "Royals" (4-7) on Hot Rock Songs. On what planet is LHG "rock"? You can't really justify BB's reasoning for genre labeling, but I'm gonna guess & say that since the group make Rock like music, that's why they categorized it as a Rock song? I don't understand their reasoning. Beyoncé's 'XO' is close to becoming a Top 10 on R&B/Hip Hop, though it's nowhere close to an Urban song nor charting on Urban radio. That's great that she can capture another Top 10 on there, but I just don't get it. Lol I think Billboard should go back to the radio format based charts because there is no useful information to be gleaned from doing the charts they way they are currently set up. The HOT 100 is the all inclusive chart. Also I think the gateway into making the R&B/HipHop Airplay chart should be about the radio based charts. The goal of all of these charts is to get information about the listeners and the target markets for songs. Now it's kind of muddied up the information....because you have songs getting minuscule R&B/Urban Airplay hitting #1 on the R&B/HipHop Chart. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 15:41:16 GMT -5
Can someone identify which "ROCK" charts are leading the charge here? Passenger's "Let Her Go" reaches a new Hot 100 peak (7-6) and dethrones Lorde's "Royals" (4-7) on Hot Rock Songs. On what planet is LHG "rock"? it's alternative, which is technically a form of rock... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 15:42:23 GMT -5
Can someone identify which "ROCK" charts are leading the charge here? Passenger's "Let Her Go" reaches a new Hot 100 peak (7-6) and dethrones Lorde's "Royals" (4-7) on Hot Rock Songs. On what planet is LHG "rock"? You can't really justify BB's reasoning for genre labeling, but I'm gonna guess & say that since the group make Rock like music, that's why they categorized it as a Rock song? I don't understand their reasoning. Beyoncé's 'XO' is close to becoming a Top 10 on R&B/Hip Hop, though it's nowhere close to an Urban song nor charting on Urban radio. That's great that she can capture another Top 10 on there, but I just don't get it. Lol Justin Timberlake makes R&B music, yet they didn't categorize Mirrors as R&B, so that wouldn't be the reason. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 15:43:33 GMT -5
Nooooooo Radioactive down 7 spots! Don't go down yet, we need you to break the 76-week record! D:
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Post by Web on Jan 16, 2014 15:57:56 GMT -5
Radioactive just had a huge drop because the year-end countdown radio bubble popped. I'd guess it's slowing down quite a bit the next few weeks from dropping 7 spots a week.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 16:03:00 GMT -5
Radioactive just had a huge drop because the year-end countdown radio bubble popped. I'd guess it's slowing down quite a bit the next few weeks from dropping 7 spots a week. I hope so! |
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Post by 3m3r7c on Jan 16, 2014 17:40:56 GMT -5
I think radioactive has a very good chance of holding on for 4 more weeks. What do we think about Sail holding on 5 more weeks though?
As for the hot rock songs discussion, in my opinion a huge 25% of the top 20 songs are not rock songs at all (let her go, safe and sound, and the 3 songs by lorde). Strange seeing these 5 in the top 20 hot rock songs
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Jan 16, 2014 17:57:14 GMT -5
You can't really justify BB's reasoning for genre labeling, but I'm gonna guess & say that since the group make Rock like music, that's why they categorized it as a Rock song? I don't understand their reasoning. Beyoncé's 'XO' is close to becoming a Top 10 on R&B/Hip Hop, though it's nowhere close to an Urban song nor charting on Urban radio. That's great that she can capture another Top 10 on there, but I just don't get it. Lol Justin Timberlake makes R&B music, yet they didn't categorize Mirrors as R&B, so that wouldn't be the reason. Was it getting R&B Airplay? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 17:59:34 GMT -5
Justin Timberlake makes R&B music, yet they didn't categorize Mirrors as R&B, so that wouldn't be the reason. Was it getting R&B Airplay? It got Urban and Urban AC airplay yes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 18:01:05 GMT -5
I think radioactive has a very good chance of holding on for 4 more weeks. What do we think about Sail holding on 5 more weeks though? As for the hot rock songs discussion, in my opinion a huge 25% of the top 20 songs are not rock songs at all (let her go, safe and sound, and the 3 songs by lorde). Strange seeing these 5 in the top 20 hot rock songs 4 more weeks would only tie it for the most weeks though...it would need one more after that to hold the record itself. And Sail may or may not hold on for 5 more weeks...it is rather hard to tell even at this point lol :s |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jan 16, 2014 18:02:32 GMT -5
Streaming Songs
1 1 20 Wrecking Ball Miley Cyrus
2 3 4 Drunk In Love Beyonce Featuring Jay Z
3 2 11 Timber Pitbull Featuring Ke$ha
4 9 8 Say Something A Great Big World & Christina Aguilera
5 10 12 Dark Horse Katy Perry Featuring Juicy J
6 4 24 Royals Lorde
7 7 19 Counting Stars OneRepublic
8 6 11 The Monster Eminem Featuring Rihanna
9 13 16 Let Her Go Passenger
10 8 16 23 Mike WiLL Made-It Featuring Miley Cyrus, Wiz Khalifa & Juicy J
11 5 22 Roar Katy Perry
12 11 11 Story Of My Life One Direction
13 14 27 Wake Me Up! Avicii
14 18 13 Rap God Eminem
15 15 15 My Hitta YG Featuring Jeezy & Rich Homie Quan
16 16 53 Sail AWOLNATION
17 20 27 Demons Imagine Dragons
18 22 12 Burn Ellie Goulding
19 29 6 Team Lorde
20 12 3 Adore You Miley Cyrus
21 28 6 Pompeii Bastille
22 33 6 Show Me Kid Ink Featuring Chris Brown
23 27 12 Sweater Weather The Neighbourhood
24 21 22 Hold On, We're Going Home Drake Featuring Majid Jordan
25 25 53 Radioactive Imagine Dragons
26 23 46 Can't Hold Us Macklemore & Ryan Lewis Featuring Ray Dalton
27 17 32 We Can't Stop Miley Cyrus
28 36 3 Talk Dirty Jason Derulo Featuring 2 Chainz
29 30 25 Gas Pedal Sage The Gemini Featuring IamSu!
30 24 35 Blurred Lines Robin Thicke Featuring T.I. + Pharrell
31 31 6 Let It Go Demi Lovato
32 New 1 Let It Go Idina Menzel
33 49 16 All Me Drake Featuring 2 Chainz & Big Sean
34 39 11 It Won't Stop Sevyn Streeter Featuring Chris Brown
35 41 7 White Walls Macklemore & Ryan Lewis Featuring ScHoolboy Q & Hollis
36 26 23 Best Song Ever One Direction
37 34 53 Thrift Shop Macklemore & Ryan Lewis Featuring Wanz
38 47 9 Do What U Want Lady Gaga Featuring R. Kelly
39 32 9 Animals Martin Garrix
40 42 8 Unconditionally Katy Perry
41 Re-Entry 7 Stay The Night Zedd Featuring Hayley Williams
42 40 21 Love More Chris Brown Featuring Nicki Minaj
43 38 22 Applause Lady Gaga
44 New 1 Hey Brother Avicii
45 37 3 XO Beyonce
46 48 6 All That Matters Justin Bieber
47 43 34 Get Lucky Daft Punk Featuring Pharrell Williams
48 Re-Entry 21 Safe And Sound Capital Cities
49 50 9 Replay Zendaya
50 New 1 All Of Me John Legend
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Jan 16, 2014 18:05:04 GMT -5
Was it getting R&B Airplay? It got Urban and Urban AC airplay yes. Nuts. That's why the R&B HipHop chart is useless now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 18:06:25 GMT -5
I don't think it got much Urban AC airplay, but "Mirrors" did go Top 20 at Urban.
Anyway, at this point, complaining about the Billboard genre charts on here is just preaching to the choir.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 18:07:54 GMT -5
Don't understand how Wrecking Ball is still #1 on Streaming Songs when it's #18 on On-Demand songs and only #7 on the Vevo top 10 of the week...it's clearly nowhere near the most streamed song unless I am missing something or if they only included one version of the Vevo video of Wrecking Ball someone explain please?
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Post by Verisimilitude on Jan 16, 2014 18:11:27 GMT -5
Don't understand how Wrecking Ball is still #1 on Streaming Songs when it's #18 on On-Demand songs and only #7 on the Vevo top 10 of the week...it's clearly nowhere near the most streamed song unless I am missing something or if they only included one version of the Vevo video of Wrecking Ball someone explain please? Is the chat roulette version still popular? Here's the Youtube chart from Billboard: 1 1 19 Wrecking Ball Miley Cyrus 2 2 22 Roar Katy Perry 3 7 4 Timber Pitbull Featuring Ke$ha 4 3 28 Wake Me Up! Avicii 5 4 10 The Monster Eminem Featuring Rihanna 6 6 16 Royals Lorde 7 9 13 Counting Stars OneRepublic 8 8 13 Darte Un Beso Prince Royce 9 16 5 Hey Brother Avicii 10 10 19 Animals Martin Garrix 11 11 12 Story Of My Life One Direction 12 13 18 Propuesta Indecente Romeo Santos 13 14 4 Drunk In Love Beyonce Featuring Jay Z 14 15 16 23 Mike WiLL Made-It Featuring Miley Cyrus, Wiz Khalifa & Juicy J 15 19 20 Burn Ellie Goulding 16 12 31 We Can't Stop Miley Cyrus 17 17 21 Let Her Go Passenger 18 18 13 Talk Dirty Jason Derulo Featuring 2 Chainz 19 New 1 Happy Pharrell 20 20 3 Let It Go Demi Lovato 21 21 29 La La La Naughty Boy Featuring Sam Smith 22 5 2 Adore You Miley Cyrus 23 24 8 Unconditionally Katy Perry 24 22 32 Blurred Lines Robin Thicke Featuring T.I. + Pharrell 25 Re-Entry 4 Rap God Eminem |
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Jan 16, 2014 18:13:55 GMT -5
Was it getting R&B Airplay? It got Urban and Urban AC airplay yes. Going back to that last post of yours: JT making R&B music is subjective. Some people look at him as a Pop star w/Urban leaning music. Some would say he's a mainstream Blue Eyed Soul act. I feel genre labeling at the end of the day is irrelevant when Urban radio picked up 'Mirrors' & BB completely shunned that out from the singles chart. Same goes for 'Royals'. I still would love to hear a valid reason why those songs did not chart there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 18:18:03 GMT -5
Don't understand how Wrecking Ball is still #1 on Streaming Songs when it's #18 on On-Demand songs and only #7 on the Vevo top 10 of the week...it's clearly nowhere near the most streamed song unless I am missing something or if they only included one version of the Vevo video of Wrecking Ball someone explain please? Is the chat roulette version still popular? Here's the Youtube chart from Billboard: 1 1 19 Wrecking Ball Miley Cyrus 2 2 22 Roar Katy Perry 3 7 4 Timber Pitbull Featuring Ke$ha 4 3 28 Wake Me Up! Avicii 5 4 10 The Monster Eminem Featuring Rihanna 6 6 16 Royals Lorde 7 9 13 Counting Stars OneRepublic 8 8 13 Darte Un Beso Prince Royce 9 16 5 Hey Brother Avicii 10 10 19 Animals Martin Garrix 11 11 12 Story Of My Life One Direction 12 13 18 Propuesta Indecente Romeo Santos 13 14 4 Drunk In Love Beyonce Featuring Jay Z 14 15 16 23 Mike WiLL Made-It Featuring Miley Cyrus, Wiz Khalifa & Juicy J 15 19 20 Burn Ellie Goulding 16 12 31 We Can't Stop Miley Cyrus 17 17 21 Let Her Go Passenger 18 18 13 Talk Dirty Jason Derulo Featuring 2 Chainz 19 New 1 Happy Pharrell 20 20 3 Let It Go Demi Lovato 21 21 29 La La La Naughty Boy Featuring Sam Smith 22 5 2 Adore You Miley Cyrus 23 24 8 Unconditionally Katy Perry 24 22 32 Blurred Lines Robin Thicke Featuring T.I. + Pharrell 25 Re-Entry 4 Rap God Eminem I don't think it's still popular...maybe there's 100 different versions of the song on YouTube or something lol |
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Post by Au$tin on Jan 16, 2014 18:35:55 GMT -5
Just typing "miley cyrus wrecking ball" into YouTube gets you these results on the first page:
1) official video, 487 million (counts)
2) Chatroulette parody, 97 million (counts)
3) director's cut of video, 17 million (counts)
4) official audio video, 23 million (counts)
5) Bart Barker parody, 26 million (does not count)
6) director's cut vs. original video, 1 million (counts)
7) Shane Dawson parody, 16 million (does not count)
8) Orit Arfa parody, 0.04 million (does not count)
9) fan made lyric video that is made to look official, 7 million (counts)
10) Ellen performance, 3 million (counts)
11) ICP reaction video, 0.05 million (does not count)
12) Minecraft parody, 6 million (does not count) (by the way, this is awesome if you haven't checked it out yet)
13) AMA performance, 3 million (counts)
14) Televisor remix, 0.06 million (I'm not sure if this counts or not)
15) AMA performance (again), 1 million (counts)
16) New Year's performance, 1 million (not sure if this counts because it also includes "#GETITRIGHT")
17) AMA performance (yet again), 2 million (counts)
18) SNL performance, 7 million (counts)
19) Afrojack remix, 0.05 million (not sure if remixes count)
20) fan made lyric video, 0.2 million (counts)
That's quite a lot of popular videos that do contribute to its streaming. And do we know for sure if that VEVO chart includes views streamed from YouTube?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 19:21:07 GMT -5
It got Urban and Urban AC airplay yes. Going back to that last post of yours: JT making R&B music is subjective. Some people look at him as a Pop star w/Urban leaning music. Some would say he's a mainstream Blue Eyed Soul act. I feel genre labeling at the end of the day is irrelevant when Urban radio picked up 'Mirrors' & BB completely shunned that out from the singles chart. Same goes for 'Royals'. I still would love to hear a valid reason why those songs did not chart there. Mirrors sounded more R&B to me than many of the songs on The 20/20 Experience but I guess BB didn't feel the same way...honestly I don't see how Blurred Lines is more R&B than Mirrors (BL is kinda like a disco/R&B hybrid I guess but not too R&B-ish especially compared to Justin)... |
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Jan 16, 2014 19:22:49 GMT -5
Going back to that last post of yours: JT making R&B music is subjective. Some people look at him as a Pop star w/Urban leaning music. Some would say he's a mainstream Blue Eyed Soul act. I feel genre labeling at the end of the day is irrelevant when Urban radio picked up 'Mirrors' & BB completely shunned that out from the singles chart. Same goes for 'Royals'. I still would love to hear a valid reason why those songs did not chart there. Mirrors sounded more R&B to me than many of the songs on The 20/20 Experience but I guess BB didn't feel the same way...honestly I don't see how Blurred Lines is more R&B than Mirrors (BL is kinda like a disco/R&B hybrid I guess but not too R&B-ish especially compared to Justin)... I truly don't understand either. It may be one unsolved mystery. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 19:24:20 GMT -5
I personally think "Blurred Lines" is much more R&B than "Mirrors," and that right there is exactly the problem. The genre charts have a very subjective element to them now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 19:29:17 GMT -5
It got Urban and Urban AC airplay yes. Going back to that last post of yours: JT making R&B music is subjective. Some people look at him as a Pop star w/Urban leaning music. Some would say he's a mainstream Blue Eyed Soul act. I feel genre labeling at the end of the day is irrelevant when Urban radio picked up 'Mirrors' & BB completely shunned that out from the singles chart. Same goes for 'Royals'. I still would love to hear a valid reason why those songs did not chart there. Royals was played on Urban radio, which I found rather strange lol...I honestly can't see how it is an R&B song...in fact, she she actually takes a shot at Urban artists in the song, stating "every song is like 'gold teeth, Grey Goose, trippin' in the bathroom[...]'" lol |
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