TylerG11
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Post by TylerG11 on Mar 19, 2014 14:30:27 GMT -5
Pretty sure Billboard read everyone's comments about the chart being stagnant and said "well f**k you too."
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WolfSpear
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Post by WolfSpear on Mar 19, 2014 14:32:35 GMT -5
I think "Happy" could end up with a nice 12-14 week run at the top, given its mass radio appeal.
And I don't understand how a song can debut at #9 with 96% of its chart points coming from Youtube. Somebody explain how 11.5 million streams even makes a dent on the chart. Doesn't 11.5 million streams translate into 11.5 million audience impressions? Because if that was the case, the song would be a dud without sales and airplay, or at least that's my view.
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Post by Push The Button on Mar 19, 2014 14:33:19 GMT -5
Viral 'First Kiss' Video Sends Soko To No. 1 Debut On Streaming Songs, Top 10 Start On Hot 100Of the song's streaming sum (in the week ending March 16), 99% are from YouTube, the majority of which stem from users who viewed the viral video "First Kiss," which hit the Internet on March 10. Shot entirely in black-and-white, the 3-minute, 28-second "Kiss" clip captures 20 strangers sharing an intimate moment for the first time, along with their ensuing bashful, yet heartwarming, reactions. Throughout, Soko's song accompanies the potential romance, its subtly-stated melody and instrumentation adding to the ambience necessary to set the video's intended intimate mood. LOLz. This smacks of Billboard's rationalizing the entry. Just admit there are crazy moves because people are enjoying something visually, and the song is incidental, Billboard! Seriously. Where was this rationalization when "Baby Blue" was played during the Breaking Bad finale? |
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Post by velaxti on Mar 19, 2014 14:35:43 GMT -5
This isn't a phenomenon that comes from streaming. The UK charts are sales only and are full of random old songs going to top 10 for silly reasons (infact currently there's a song top 10 on UK iTunes because of a football team).
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Post by Lozzy on Mar 19, 2014 14:41:03 GMT -5
This isn't a phenomenon that comes from streaming. The UK charts are sales only and are full of random old songs going to top 10 for silly reasons (infact currently there's a song top 10 on UK iTunes because of a football team). There aren't that many in the UK, I can only think of Don't You Want Me, Highway To Hell, Skyscraper and Ding-Dong! The Witch Is Dead from the past year. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2014 14:45:49 GMT -5
I think "Happy" could end up with a nice 12-14 week run at the top, given its mass radio appeal. And I don't understand how a song can debut at #9 with 96% of its chart points coming from Youtube. Somebody explain how 11.5 million streams even makes a dent on the chart. Doesn't 11.5 million streams translate into 11.5 million audience impressions? Because if that was the case, the song would be a dud without sales and airplay, or at least that's my view. 99%* and no, a stream is roughly 15 times as many points as an audience impression. so 11.5 million streams would translate to about 172.5 million audience impressions (which is more AI than the #2 radio song, Dark Horse, got this week) but yeah I see what you're saying and the fact that those streams were for a viral video sensation, not the actual song itself, makes it illogical for the song to be in the top 10 on the Hot 100 but what can we do. They won't listen to us. |
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Post by velaxti on Mar 19, 2014 14:49:09 GMT -5
This isn't a phenomenon that comes from streaming. The UK charts are sales only and are full of random old songs going to top 10 for silly reasons (infact currently there's a song top 10 on UK iTunes because of a football team). There aren't that many in the UK, I can only think of Don't You Want Me, Highway To Hell, Skyscraper and Ding-Dong! The Witch Is Dead from the past year. I was exaggerating when I said the charts are "full" of them, but if I went back through all the charts from the past two decades I bet I could find over 100 easily. Others off the top of my head: All the Crazy Frog songs (I think "it" had 3 or 4 hits) Pondlife (a parody of Crazy Frog) Cha Cha Slide Is This the Way to Amarillo Tracy Chapman - Fast Car (top 10 because it was used in a TV show) Goo Goo Dolls - Iris (top 10 because it was used in a TV show) Human League - Don't You Want Me (top 10 because of a football match...) Tina Turner - Simply the Best (also top 10 because of a football match) Surfin Bird (top 5 because of a Facebook campaign) Rage Against the Machine - Killing in the Name (#1 because of a Facebook campaign) Jeff Buckley - Hallelujah (top 5 because of a campaign) PJ & Duncan - Get Ready to Rhumble (#1 because it was used on TV, blocked Just Give Me a Reason!) Adele - Make You Feel My Love (top 5 because it was used on TV) Teletubbies Mr. Blobby Bob the Builder The Tweenies It's Raining Men (charted because a politician said something homophobic lol) There's so many, I genuinely think I could find 100 if I wanted to. I think people in the US are really spoilt in terms of having neat, orderly charts. And honestly it's not that big a deal in the long run. |
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Post by WolfSpear on Mar 19, 2014 14:51:19 GMT -5
I think "Happy" could end up with a nice 12-14 week run at the top, given its mass radio appeal. And I don't understand how a song can debut at #9 with 96% of its chart points coming from Youtube. Somebody explain how 11.5 million streams even makes a dent on the chart. Doesn't 11.5 million streams translate into 11.5 million audience impressions? Because if that was the case, the song would be a dud without sales and airplay, or at least that's my view. 99%* and no, a stream is roughly 15 times as many points as an audience impression. so 11.5 million streams would translate to about 172.5 million audience impressions (which is more AI than the #2 radio song, Dark Horse, got this week) but yeah I see what you're saying and the fact that those streams were for a viral video sensation, not the actual song itself, makes it illogical for the song to be in the top 10 on the Hot 100 but what can we do. They won't listen to us. 15 times??!!!!?? And here was I thinking it counted once per stream... that's a huge weight given towards streaming. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2014 14:53:59 GMT -5
99%* and no, a stream is roughly 15 times as many points as an audience impression. so 11.5 million streams would translate to about 172.5 million audience impressions (which is more AI than the #2 radio song, Dark Horse, got this week) but yeah I see what you're saying and the fact that those streams were for a viral video sensation, not the actual song itself, makes it illogical for the song to be in the top 10 on the Hot 100 but what can we do. They won't listen to us. 15 times??!!!!?? And here was I thinking it counted once per stream... that's a huge weight given towards streaming. I know and it doesn't make sense to give such a huge weight for streaming for a video that wasn't watched for a song. It certainly wasn't nearly the 9th most popular song of the week. |
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Post by imbondz on Mar 19, 2014 14:56:29 GMT -5
Lol! How did that chart??
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Post by Push The Button on Mar 19, 2014 14:59:10 GMT -5
Lol! How did that chart?? When Margaret Thatcher died. |
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Post by imbondz on Mar 19, 2014 15:00:57 GMT -5
Lol! How did that chart?? When Margaret Thatcher died. lol. that's even funnier. Horrible but funny |
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Mar 19, 2014 15:16:45 GMT -5
 Also on the topic of bullsh!t going #1 in European countries....... Schnappi, das kleine Krokodil. #1 in Germany and several other countries and Top 40 in others like the UK. It was hell. |
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Post by irice22 on Mar 19, 2014 15:19:55 GMT -5
lol @ Soko. The Hot 100 has officially jumped the shark. Time for a rule revamp.
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Post by Gary on Mar 19, 2014 15:29:26 GMT -5
lol @ Soko. The Hot 100 has officially jumped the shark. Time for a rule revamp.
To what?
Don't include youtube?
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Post by jebsib on Mar 19, 2014 15:29:53 GMT -5
I'd love to know the rationale behind Hot 100 point distributions.
For example, we know the percentage ratio, but how do they justify those numbers?
Based on what, cultural impact? Label revenue?
To imbonz's point, The Man had 70 million impressions last week, 100 thousand downloads... and still has less points than this background track that none of us have heard?
I think not!
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Post by popstop on Mar 19, 2014 15:37:49 GMT -5
lol @ Soko. The Hot 100 has officially jumped the shark. Time for a rule revamp.
To what?
Don't include youtube?
I don't think youtube views shouldn't count, but as mentioned, the weighting is really goofy and needs to be changed. Also, I know this is an old issue, but I think only videos containing the entire song should be included, not just a snippet a la Harlem Shake. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2014 15:38:12 GMT -5
lol @ Soko. The Hot 100 has officially jumped the shark. Time for a rule revamp.
To what?
Don't include youtube?
No, to not include YouTube views for anything that is not official music videos/audio tracks in the calculation for Hot 100 points. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 19, 2014 16:12:48 GMT -5
That video must have been categorized under "Music," whereas the Bud commercial using "Let Her Go" was not.
Some oddball charts we're seeing- but, what's the big deal if something has one or two good weeks on the chart? Not affecting much of anything- only if a particular track perhaps was in its peak week, and was No. 11, and then dropped back the following week.
As always- these charts are for the industry, not to please fans. Though BB surely does enjoy fans' interest in the charts and such.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Mar 19, 2014 17:00:54 GMT -5
I think it is legit. Would people be watching the video without the song? Would the video be such a hit if it were a different song? I think the song is a factor, rather than a video of people kissing and oh by the way there is a song attached to it. Completely disagree. Whatever song they chose they still would have gotten the same amount of views. Unless it was a death metal song. Song chosen doesn't matter as long as it was slow and fit the mood. I bet even without a song it would have gotten that many views. That's how incidental the music is to the point of the video You justified Gary's argument. |
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Post by icefire9 on Mar 19, 2014 17:07:45 GMT -5
Well, I'll go ahead and voice my (unpopular) opinion that as long as Soko got money from the views the video got, it should be counted.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Mar 19, 2014 17:13:25 GMT -5
Wonder if this will count? I don't get why the video's getting so big, but I love the featured artist (Elizaveta);
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 19, 2014 17:26:02 GMT -5
Most people don't listen to the radio to hear half of what they play either.
It's not about why people hear things, it's the fact that they are hearing them that matters for the Hot 100.
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Post by icefire9 on Mar 19, 2014 17:45:38 GMT -5
^
I would say, rather, that its the fact that money is being made off of a song that matters.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 19, 2014 17:47:30 GMT -5
To what?
Don't include youtube?
No, to not include YouTube views for anything that is not official music videos/audio tracks in the calculation for Hot 100 points. So take the power out of he hands of the people listening and watching and back into the hands of the label? |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 19, 2014 17:48:55 GMT -5
^ I would say, rather, that its the fact that money is being made off of a song that matters. That makes sense. I saw an article today that said labels like homemade videos that use their content because they make money off of the ads that air before them. So I'm sure they're getting tons of money from this one. |
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Post by Gary on Mar 19, 2014 17:58:04 GMT -5
Yeah forget youtube as a way of enjoying music, I miss the old days where the radio program director told me what I was supposed to listen to  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2014 18:02:32 GMT -5
It's crazy to think that Dark Horse would be on its 8th week at #1 had Happy not surged out of nowhere. Thems the breaks. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Mar 19, 2014 18:09:22 GMT -5
All this fighting over a legitimate hit single debuting at #9. If it was kelly or mariah c we wouldnt be having this discussion.
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Post by jebsib on Mar 19, 2014 18:14:35 GMT -5
I think most people who are worried don't care about what song by whom got to #9 this particular week:
It's the principle: That a song that wasn't on our radar (and to say we are pretty culturally acute is an understatement) can get so high with such little forewarning.
It portends to future messes where forgettable novelties will jump in to #1 for a week or two only to be forgotten by the following month. Cough (Baauer) cough.
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