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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Feb 25, 2015 8:40:32 GMT -5
Adam Gold did a pre-CRS article on country radio for Rolling Stone Country. After several affirmations of country radio's ongoing primacy as a vehicle for mass exposure and a bunch of ring-kissing quotes from the likes of Thomas Rhett and Scotty McCreery, the article turns to the competitive landscape and where the format is headed next. Some excerpts: All Access's R.J. Curtis, who has posted a bunch of articles speaking to the country format in 2015 ( here, here, and here, for example) already cited here at Pulse, asserts that it's programmers more than listeners who are tired of bro country and are trying to stay ahead of the inevitable fatigue, which contradicts his assertion in a recent column via multiple programmers that the format has been in a musical down-cycle for the past year, with music not testing as well and listener fatigue with bro country cliches having crept in. Subsequently, there are a few different points of view on the direction of the format, with R.J. Curtis predicting a return to a more traditional sound, no rap, and lots of big ballads, while Skip Bishop predicts more diversity and "programming with a little more aggression." On the subject of the value of sales and streaming versus callout: On country radio's lack of support for women:Blaming new females for not being "super compelling" while supporting an endless parade of indistinguishable sound-alike "bros" is about my least favorite thing about country radio programmers like Mike Moore. It's simply not an argument that stands up to any reasonable scrutiny. Country radio has clearly made a choice not to support the kind of "super-compelling" music made by the likes of Kacey Musgraves, despite the fact that it has outperformed both at retail and in critical and industry acclaim the music of those developing acts that country radio has chosen to support, and it's past time for programmers confront that reality honestly.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Feb 25, 2015 10:44:04 GMT -5
Adam Gold did a pre-CRS article on country radio for Rolling Stone Country. After several affirmations of country radio's ongoing primacy as a vehicle for mass exposure and a bunch of ring-kissing quotes from the likes of Thomas Rhett and Scotty McCreery, the article turns to the competitive landscape and where the format is headed next. Some excerpts:All Access's R.J. Curtis, who has posted a bunch of articles speaking to the country format in 2015 ( here, here, and here, for example) already cited here at Pulse, asserts that it's programmers more than listeners who are tired of bro country and are trying to stay ahead of the inevitable fatigue, which contradicts his assertion in a recent column via multiple programmers that the format has been in a musical down-cycle for the past year, with music not testing as well and listener fatigue with bro country cliches having crept in. Subsequently, there are a few different points of view on the direction of the format, with R.J. Curtis predicting a return to a more traditional sound, no rap, and lots of big ballads, while Skip Bishop predicts more diversity and "programming with a little more aggression." On the subject of the value of sales and streaming versus callout:On country radio's lack of support for women:Blaming new females for not being "super compelling" while supporting an endless parade of indistinguishable sound-alike "bros" is about my least favorite thing about country radio programmers like Mike Moore. It's simply not an argument that stands up to any reasonable scrutiny. Country radio has clearly made a choice not to support the kind of "super-compelling" music made by the likes of Kacey Musgraves, despite the fact that it has outperformed both at retail and in critical and industry acclaim the music of those developing acts that country radio has chosen to support, and it's past time for programmers confront that reality honestly. As much as I detest agreeing with Mike Curb on ANYTHING , he is spot on . Conglomerated labels & radio is the number one problem in the industry & used to be regulated by the government. Ive preached this for years and would love to see it broken back down. But it'll never happen as I'm sure juggernauts like Clear Channel paid millions err. ..."lobbied" to have those laws deregulated to begin with. I'm afraid that Pandora's box is already open. I also kind of agree with Mike Moore , the vast majority of females the last few years haven't been very compelling to my ears and not many of them really stand out. Sure there are females like Ashley Monroe, Brandy Clark & Kacey Musgraves & Mickey Guyton (judging from the one song I've heard) but that pretty much wraps up everyone with any magnitude of style to set them apart from the pack. NOT that the males are ANY better. Jana Kramer? Maddie & Tae? RaeLynn? Katie Armiger ? Leah Turner ? Or the countless other recent offerings that I have forgotten about almost instantly. I'm sure there are still a ton of great female artists out there but I don't belie4ve they are getting records deals because they either lack the right image or the ability to become the next Taylor Swift.
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Post by trebor on Mar 10, 2015 12:39:42 GMT -5
I was flipping through the latest Billboard country update and realized that I detest 52% of the songs on the current Airplay Chart. This is a freakishly high figure and I do not remember any other time when more than half of the songs did not appeal to me. The A-Listers seem to churn out generic fast food fare and radio seems more than willing to readily eat it all up; no questions asked. Also, it is beyond me to understand how some newcomers manage to get instant Billboard Top 60 gratification while other more deserving acts struggle. I accept that my taste in music is bi-polar and borderline at best; but the bottom of the Airplay Chart is a total mess and I'll dread the thought of all dreck artificially being flushed up into the Top 40 when the bulk of the 20+ week sleepers go recurrent. I cannot poke and point my finger but there is something odd out there brewing up; very unhappy with the current mainstream music wave. Do you feel the same or am I the only malcontent nagger?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 13:15:59 GMT -5
I cannot poke and point my finger but there is something odd out there brewing up; very unhappy with the current mainstream music wave. Do you feel the same or am I the only malcontent nagger? I actually like a high number of songs right now, lol. For those below the top 40, I really like the ones from Maddie & Tae, Big & Rich, Gary Allan, Parmalee, Mo Pitney, Jana Kramer, Cam, and Kacey Musgraves, and I even like Luke Bryan's "Games" quite a bit, even though that one probably won't go top 40 since I don't expect it'll get an actual radio release. The only one I really don't like is David Fanning's "Doin' Country Right" (and thankfully that one probably won't do much anyway; I'd be surprised if it goes top 50). A few others I've only heard once or not at all. Waterloo Revival's song was decent (only heard once), and I haven't heard the new ones from Montgomery Gentry, LoCash, Eli Young Band, or Dan + Shay yet. I'm not really a fan of the ones from Austin Webb, Josh Dorr, Old Dominion, Rodney Atkins, and The Swon Brothers, but neither of those 5 is exactly terrible. And then higher up on the chart there are a lot of songs that I really like, including those by Mickey Guyton, Eric Church, Reba, Kip Moore, Brantley Gilbert, Little Big Town, Rascal Flatts, Josh Turner, Joe Nichols, Carrie Underwood, Brad Paisley, Easton Corbin, Tim McGraw, Eric Paslay, Kenny Chesney, Billy Currington, A Thousand Horses, Jake Owen, Keith Urban/Eric Church, Dierks Bentley, and the Zac Brown Band. There's only a handful that I don't care for, and most of them aren't super terrible, they're just sort of "blah".
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Post by trebor on Mar 10, 2015 13:31:30 GMT -5
^^ Thanks for your thoughts, J. jhomes87Michael Ray, Austin Webb, Waterloo Revival and David Fanning are especially obnoxious. Rodney Atkin's latest is also falling short of expectations.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 13:35:52 GMT -5
^^ Thanks for your thoughts, J. jhomes87Michael Ray, Austin Webb, Waterloo Revival and David Fanning are especially obnoxious. Rodney Atkin's latest is also falling short of expectations. Well it's a good thing for you then that none of these ones are looking like hits, with the exception of Michael Ray's song (mostly because that one is iHeartRadio's On The Verge pick). I don't see the other 4 even making the top 40. Maybe Waterloo Revival can but that one's off to an awfully slow start for a Big Machine single, and there has also been much less fanfare around that group than for most other recent new BMLG artists and their debut singles.
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Post by trebor on Mar 10, 2015 14:31:33 GMT -5
^^ You are a well of information. :) Don't really listen to radio so most things go unnoticed. :|
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Mar 11, 2015 9:29:54 GMT -5
Ha! I long for the days where I detested only 52% of the current chart. I agree with jhomes87 though . I genuinely love more current singles than I have in a loooong time. "Country" , "What We Ain't Got" , "She Don't Love You". "Diamond Rings And Old Barstools" & "Better Than You Left Me" to name a few...
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Post by .indulgecountry on Mar 11, 2015 14:22:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I also think the state of the country chart recently has been better than it has been in the past couple years. There's a lot of songs out right now that I really like, and not that many that I detest. Quality single choices definitely seem to be on an uptick lately.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 14:17:49 GMT -5
Can I just remind everybody that we have The Highway ("Highway Finds") to thank for Florida Georgia Line, Chase Rice, AND Sam Hunt.
That's quite the accomplishment, wouldn't you say?
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Post by dajross6 on May 31, 2015 23:12:08 GMT -5
Can I just remind everybody that we have The Highway ("Highway Finds") to thank for Florida Georgia Line, Chase Rice, AND Sam Hunt. That's quite the accomplishment, wouldn't you say? Country music was better before The Highway existed, although I'm not sure if it's causation equals correlation in this case. If FGL, Chase, Sam Hung, Cole Swindell, etc. weren't on the radio, the genre would probably be in a better place (in my opinion).
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Post by McCreerian (Harris 2024!) on Aug 16, 2015 21:32:48 GMT -5
I saw this going around Facebook. I figured it fits in this thread. I can hear ole George saying this if he were around today too! Attachment Deleted
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Post by travelrocks24 on Jan 17, 2016 14:51:14 GMT -5
I think this article fits here (quoting part of it): forthecountryrecord.com/2015/08/26/siriusxms-gender-divide-where-are-the-women-on-the-highway/Counting Down The Highway Hot 45 I had a not so peaceful and uneasy feeling that creeped in during January of this year. For the weekly program “The Hot 45 Highway Weekend Countdown,” Storme Warren enlisted singers Sonia Leigh and Brooke Eden at the Mountain High Music festival in Crested Butte, Colorado to spend a few hours counting down the top hits of the week from 45 all the way down to number one. When you spend this many hours around a hot fire looking out to the beautiful snow peaks surrounding you, it naturally brings on conversation. Warren broaches the elephant in the room when he raises the subject of women in country. Eden recalls a time growing up when you always heard women on the radio and music wasn’t decided based on gender. She went on to say that there also seemed to be a balance whether you could hear Shania Twain and Garth Brooks or Faith Hill back to back with Vince Gill. Leigh sees some doors opening and points to the great writing of Brandy Clark and recent album by Lee Ann Womack. But it takes until we get to #37 when a woman finally is on the charts and Leigh gives a shout out to “my girl” Ruthie Collins. As the two alternate recapping the names of the songs in each segment, I do my own back of the envelope calculation. By the show’s end, only 11 of the 45 songs will have been sung by a woman. This Highway Hot 45 Countdown might as well been a referendum. If this were an election, the party bro party would have won in a landslide. You could imagine if this was a playground conversation it would go something like “bros rule, girls drool.” This happened again on May 30 though the Countdown started off a little more promising. Carrie Underwood came in at #43, Ashley Monroe at #37, Jennifer Nettles #33, Kelsea Ballerini at #28 and the soon to be married Jana Kramer clocking in at #24. But from there to number one it was an all-male revue Five out of 45. And on the weekend of August 22, the top ten consisted of Cadillac Three, Brantley Gilbert, Chris Young, Florida Georgia Line, LoCash, Kenny Chesney, Brett Eldredge, Cole Swindell, Brothers Osbourne, Thomas Rhett.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 22:45:23 GMT -5
Well I think right now the current state of country radio is rather interesting. The current phrase seems to be the pop R&B phrase or as some have dubbed metropolitan country. I think some of the acts following that are Sam Hunt, Old Dominion, Brett Eldredge, Chris Lane, Drew Baldridge and Thomas Rhett. Then you have acts somewhat dabbing into that like Luke Bryan, Lauren Alaina, Zac Brown Band, Gary Allan (his last single), and Eric Paslay (latest single). It's definitely something I'm curious to see if it sticks. I'm not dissing any of the artists it's just something I've noticed this last year. I wonder how long it'll last because the whole bro-country thing came and went pretty quick. Bro-Country Became really popular in 2013 but somehow we don't see much of it now on the chart. I can identify a few bro-country songs "We Went", "Backroad Song", "Mind Reader", "Better In Boots" and that's it. Country music is in an interesting spot right now especially with the emergence of Chris Stapleton and so many different styles right now in country music I wonder which one will ultimately stick. This year could be an interesting one to watch.
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Post by rsmatto on Jan 30, 2016 15:32:35 GMT -5
I never once considering of the four you say are "bro" as "bro" in the slightest. Thinking now, maybe "Mind reader" has some hallmarks but to me that term is basically one catch all for folks to say they dislike a song.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 18:16:05 GMT -5
I never once considering of the four you say are "bro" as "bro" in the slightest. Thinking now, maybe "Mind reader" has some hallmarks but to me that term is basically one catch all for folks to say they dislike a song. Or maybe it's because the song IS bro-country (in that person's opinion), and therefore that's why he/she doesn't like it, because they don't like the characteristics of bro-country songs? I think most Pulse members are able to do a good job at explaining (often in a very specific way) just why they don't like a particular song or a particular type of song. I can't recall seeing too many posts like "Well, I don't really like this song, but I'm not sure why. I guess I'll just call it a bro-country song". To you the term "bro-country" might just be a "catch-all" term, but to others -- including many renowned critics and publications -- it's not. It's a widely accepted term whether you like it or not.
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Post by travelrocks24 on Feb 2, 2016 11:04:23 GMT -5
I just finished listening to "On the Horizon" on Sirius from last weekend, 3 females played, and two of them are ones that have been pushed for at least a month (Jessie James Decker "Lights Down Low" and Claire Dunn's "Tuxedo"). The third, a new Miranda Lambert song.
I can't believe how biased this station is, it is downright sickening and I am glad there are plenty of other online options out there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 11:06:12 GMT -5
I just finished listening to "On the Horizon" on Sirius from last weekend, 3 females played, and two of them are ones that have been pushed for at least a month (Jessie James Decker "Lights Down Low" and Claire Dunn's "Tuxedo"). The third, a new Miranda Lambert song. I can't believe how biased this station is, it is downright sickening and I am glad there are plenty of other online options out there. Like as in new new song. Not Sweet By and By like an even newer song.
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Post by travelrocks24 on Feb 2, 2016 11:51:43 GMT -5
I just finished listening to "On the Horizon" on Sirius from last weekend, 3 females played, and two of them are ones that have been pushed for at least a month (Jessie James Decker "Lights Down Low" and Claire Dunn's "Tuxedo"). The third, a new Miranda Lambert song. I can't believe how biased this station is, it is downright sickening and I am glad there are plenty of other online options out there. Like as in new new song. Not Sweet By and By like an even newer song. "Sweet By and By" is what was played.....it was new to me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 21:02:13 GMT -5
Dear country (music, fans, artists, radio),
It's a bit ironic that the first country song I ever consciously heard was "Cruise" by Florida Georgia Line. No, I didn't hear it on pop radio or on my local country station. I was listening to "Hey Porsche" by Nelly and they played a clip of it at the end of the music video. Since then, I can say I've come a long way with regards to my taste of music.
I fell in love with country music for many reasons. The style, the twang, the emotion, the instruments. It was raw and real.
It gives me anxiety what has happened to the music. I know this isn't the first time country music has "chased" other sounds. Listen to some country songs of the 80s and 90s and indeed they sound a bit like watered down pop songs. What worries me this time is that radio has become so overbearing and powerful that it won't let anyone step up and lead us, much like George Strait or Alan Jackson did in the past.
Everyone has become slaves. They've become followers. Need I remind y'all:
"We Rode in Trucks" was Luke Bryan, before he was "Home Alone Tonight" "Cowboy Casanova" was Carrie Underwood, before she was "Heartbeat" "Austin" was Blake Shelton, before he was "Came Here to Forget" "Watching You" was Rodney Atkins, before he was "Doin' it Right" "Voices" was Chris Young, before he was "I'm Comin' Over" "Colder Weather" was Zac Brown Band, before they were "Beautiful Drug" "Tequila Makes Her Clothes Fall Off" was Joe Nichols, before he was "Yeah" "American Honey" was Lady Antebellum, before they were "Bartender" "Cowboys and Angels" was Dustin Lynch, before he was "Hell of a Night" "Boondocks" was Little Big Town, before they were "Day Drinking" "Better Dig Two" was The Band Perry, before they were "Live Forever" "Come a Little Closer" was Dierks Bentley, before he was "Somewhere on a Beach" "Amarillo Sky" was Jason Aldean, before he was "Burnin' it Down" "How Forever Feels" was Kenny Chesney, before he was "Noise" "Where the Green Grass Grows" was Tim McGraw, before he was "Lookin' for that Girl" "Always the Love Songs" was Eli Young Band, before they were "Turn it On" "Good Directions" was Billy Currington, before he was "Don't It" "Made in America" was Toby Keith, before he was "Drinks After Work" "Bait a Hook" was Justin Moore, before he was "Lettin' the Night Roll" "Wagon Wheel" was Darius Rucker, before he was "Homegrown Honey" "A Little More Country Than That" was Easton Corbin, before he was "Yup" "Startin' With Me" was Jake Owen, before he was "Real Life" "Somebody Like You" was Keith Urban before he was "Wasted Time"
I want you to really read that list. If you've bothered to make it this far, let those songs sink in. Remember how the first ones made you feel, how it felt when you were singing them as loud as you could, as proud as you could, as good (or bad) as you could. Think about the second ones. Is it sinking in?
We haven't just lost our twang and our fiddles. We've lost our grit, our wit, our heart, and our soul.
So what, you ask? There's only so much complaining I can do, I guess. There are plenty of people like me who no longer have faith in country music and they have stopped listening to mainstream country all together. I guess they are stronger than me for accepting it for what it is and moving on. I just can't do that.
Music is more than what goes into your ears. Music reaches your mind, your heart, and your soul. It becomes part of you. Country music isn't that anymore. Now it just hits your ears, makes you hum, and then moves on as quickly as the clouds on a windy summer day.
These songs today aren't the ones we remember. A great song isn't one that moves on, leaving us as we were before it began. A great song makes us feel; it makes a moment. And when you hear that song again you look back and say "this song reminds me of that time, that moment, that feeling." That's what country music does.
Well, that's what it did.
Signed, A sad fan
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Post by phil1996 on Mar 29, 2016 22:04:43 GMT -5
^ A few of the above artists still make great material (ZBB, Dierks, Joe Nichols, sometimes Tim/Kenny/Keith, and I don't think Justin Moore has changed a bit)....but nonetheless I completely agree with everything else. Great post.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Mar 29, 2016 23:21:00 GMT -5
I understand the general sentiment of that post, but "Bait a Hook" and "Made in America" are your examples of when Justin Moore and Toby Keith used to be good? Justin Moore only has a few good songs (BAH ain't one of 'em imo...), but "Made in America" for Toby Keith? Lol. "Drinks After Work" is a bit of a more interesting and less pandering song than that one, honestly.
That stuff aside, good post. I agree that country music should get back to more interesting songs and using more traditional instruments and such. I do think that the past year or so has been better than the 2 or 3 that preceded it, so it's improving as we kind of come out of that bro-country phase...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 5:15:12 GMT -5
A lot of those artists still make great material, absolutely. It's just hard to deny there has been an odd change, genre-wide, lately. Imagine hearing "Burnin' it Down" as track 6 of Jason Aldean's debut album?
The reason I included songs like "Bait a Hook" and "Tequila Makes Her Clothes Fall Off" as opposed to songs like "Till My Last Day" and "Brokenheartsville" (aside from them just being songs that I love) is really because my point is not that every song has to be a lyrical masterpiece. That's not what I'm saying. Some songs can just be light and simple and they can still be great. If I'm going to listen to a light song, I'd much rather it be one with wit, twang, and good old steels and fiddles like "Bait a Hook" or "Tequila"...not a song about nothing like "T-Shirt" where your best line is about Guns and Roses and even that's a stretch.
And just because artists like Toby release songs that they anticipate everyone will like because of what it's about (America) don't mean it's pandering and it's not good. Why can't it just be because Toby loves America and I love America too? Ya know?
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Post by .indulgecountry on Mar 30, 2016 10:20:27 GMT -5
And just because artists like Toby release songs that they anticipate everyone will like because of what it's about (America) don't mean it's pandering and it's not good. Why can't it just be because Toby loves America and I love America too? Ya know? "Made in America" came out after a string of underperforming singles from him and his prior #1 before that was "American Ride," so I totally read that single release as a 'well, this one should get me back to the top because 'Murica." Plus, the song itself sounded pretty pander-y to me lyrically. "American Ride" was a goofy song but it was at least kind of unique thematically, but the same can't be said of its follow-up. But looking past all that, I just thought it was a strange choice for an example of when Toby Keith used to be good instead of any number of his 90s or early 2000s hits that are considered his best. I just didn't think that choice in particular fit the narrative you were going for, lol. It's unimportant though because I agree with the general message of your post.
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Post by Andy on Mar 30, 2016 20:15:46 GMT -5
I began to feel disillusioned with mainstream country around 2006 and completely checked out around 2008. It's been non-mainstream and exploring the canon of classics for me ever since. Haven't looked back. Trust me, it's liberating.
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Post by dajross6 on Mar 31, 2016 1:28:05 GMT -5
Labels will continue to make music and push singles that will make the most money. To make the most money, you need to appeal to the demographic that will maximize the audience and potential buyers. This demographic is the 14-35 year old group (and mostly 18-25) that spends the most money, but a group that also tends to spend money in the CHR-Pop genre. Songs and artists that bridge that gap will help to increase profits.
Before digital singles sales, more traditional country acts had the benefit of a level playing ground with the above argument since the entire genre relied on album sales. Since the access to this music is far easier, more pop-leaning artists/labels are coming forward to get a bigger piece of the pie. Who do you think is making more money off of sales, new George Strait singles or Sam Hunt/Thomas Rhett? Is it because of radio or because of the audience it's catering to?
Just to edit, I just looked at the Country Top 40 and recognize two songs, and that's not from hearing them on the radio but rather for clicking on their threads on this forum. Consider me in the bucket of "done and given up on the genre." It doesn't deserve me, my time or my money.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 18:31:45 GMT -5
Just wanted to note that I moved @nickv1025's post and the responses to it into this thread, as I felt that it was a better fit within this topic and the discussion that has previously taken place in this thread.
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Post by travelrocks24 on Apr 5, 2016 11:36:12 GMT -5
I think this bit info fits here. I got an e-mail from Sirius yesterday asking about specific artists. More than 3/4's were male, and then there was a free text field. I mentioned that females are getting the shaft, and maybe this had to do with John Marks (who is no longer there from what I understand) more than anything else. Whether my opinion pays off has yet to be seen, but I hope this survey hit people that share my opinion.
Nashville has plenty of competition in terms of listening, online or radio.
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Post by travelrocks24 on Apr 7, 2016 7:44:51 GMT -5
That was an interesting read, and I was in Nashville recently and spoke to a wide range of people (meaning up and comer's doing gigs at various bars to locals). It is pathetic how Sirius is treating some of the better talent that is out there and doesn't get the exposure they deserve. There is an article (I think in this very thread) that was written last year about Sirius, and Sirius wouldn't be quoted for it. That says a lot right there. I think a lot of people are on to Nashville's game but nothing is being done about it.
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