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Post by rsmatto on Nov 7, 2014 14:17:24 GMT -5
My only reply to you, 43dudleyvillas, is that just because they didn't report Pre or post-show events doesn't mean they didn't happen. Usually it's just a thing the labels put together and they aren't making it like a 'campaign' like Blake's was. It's just a party. That was my main point. In reality, people are reading too much into what any of the post-show parties mean other than free food and booze for the industry/guests.
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 7, 2014 16:29:55 GMT -5
My only reply to you, 43dudleyvillas, is that just because they didn't report Pre or post-show events doesn't mean they didn't happen. Usually it's just a thing the labels put together and they aren't making it like a 'campaign' like Blake's was. It's just a party. That was my main point. In reality, people are reading too much into what any of the post-show parties mean other than free food and booze for the industry/guests.Because reading into Shelton & Co. giving away "red, white, and blue buttons decorated with stars and stripes emblazoned with Shelton's name to remind them to vote for the singer for the November CMA Awards" is "just a party." Judging by how word of mouth is all that it took for campaign events, such as Shelton's, to get out to the public (even you confirmed it, so that's telling enough of how easy and insignificant of a deal it is to those invited to reveal what the event entailed), I'd imagine that, if an event were to have been held for Underwood the way Paisley and Shelton both handled their events, word would've gotten out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 18:23:26 GMT -5
There's no doubt in my mind that Carrie has not had parties to campaign for votes, and nothing can convince me to believe otherwise. Anything like that would get out to the media, and they would report on it in a second. Carrie doesn't seem to be one for industry parties; the only ones I've heard of her attending involve her winning a songwriting award or celebrating at a #1 party. Carrie has made it pretty clear though her own actions that she lets her label do the campaigning. Not every artist is interested in campaigning, and I genuinely believe Carrie leaves it all to the label.
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Post by rsmatto on Nov 8, 2014 0:18:39 GMT -5
if you folks really think that a little party, even with political like campaign buttons and vip lanyards with USB version of the albums would sway people to,vote for shelton, then you don't understand most people who vote and nothing I say will convince you otherwise.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Nov 8, 2014 0:23:03 GMT -5
My only reply to you, 43dudleyvillas, is that just because they didn't report Pre or post-show events doesn't mean they didn't happen. Usually it's just a thing the labels put together and they aren't making it like a 'campaign' like Blake's was. It's just a party. That was my main point. In reality, people are reading too much into what any of the post-show parties mean other than free food and booze for the industry/guests. So Carrie totally would've thrown a campaign party in similar circumstances, but now that she demonstrably hasn't, parties with direct messaging about CMA voting don't matter. Got it. ;) No one is naive enough to think little post- and pre-show events don't happen -- we all see the photo ops later covered by the trades, and of course in the land of Twitter and Facebook, things get out. Blake's party was covered by The Tennessean (and by other outlets) because it was of a larger scale and geared (rather loudly) toward CMA voting. And it isn't as if this particular event was an isolated circumstance for Blake. Blake's team's attention-grabbing mailers have been documented in numerous instances, including here and here. Of course, I am not asserting that Blake is the only one whose team puts extra money and effort into its campaigns (I recall talk of Eric Church sending a group of industry voters boxing gloves in support of Chief, for example), though it is certainly his team's tactics that have drawn the most attention in recent years. Let me put this a different way. I don't think the tilted voting dynamic and politics would be under discussion if the last five years of CMA Male Vocalists of the Year had been Blake followed by Jason in 2011 (for his explosion during the My Kinda Party cycle) then Eric in 2012 (for his surge via Chief) then either Blake (with a new album out and his Voice surge) or Luke (starting to cement himself as the genre's most successful male) in 2013 then Eric (critically acclaimed best-selling country album of 2014) or Dierks (big mid-career surge via a well-received album) or Luke (for the top album sales in the genre) or Jason (who recovered from "1994" with a series of strong hits) or Tim (continuing last year's momentum with a quality album after a lead single misstep) this year, while the last five years of CMA Female Vocalists had been Miranda, Miranda, Carrie, Carrie or Miranda or Kacey, then Miranda this year. Furthermore, I don't think the political dynamic would be under discussion if Will Hoge/Eric Paslay's "Even If It Breaks Your Heart" or Eric Church/Jeff Hyde/Ryan Tyndell's "Springsteen" (or Josh Kear/Chris Tompkins' "Blown Away"), all much bigger, more critically acclaimed hits than "Over You" had won 2012 CMA Song of the Year instead of the Blake/Miranda song. I don't think the voting dynamic would be under discussion (at least not as much) if Blake's Based on a True Story, by far the worst-reviewed nominee in the 2013 CMA Album of the Year category and only the third best seller, had lost out on that award to Kacey Musgraves, whose Same Trailer, Different Park was one of 2013's best-reviewed albums in any genre, or to Little Big Town, whose Tornado also received great reviews, sold over a million copies and took them to the next level, or perhaps Carrie Underwood, whose Blown Away matched big-time commercial success with a strong critical reception and quality risk-taking. I don't think the voting dynamic would be under as much scrutiny if Dierks Bentley's "Drunk on a Plane," the biggest hit nominated for 2014 CMA Single of the Year and a clever and humorous harnessing of a mainstream country meme, or Tim McGraw's "Meanwhile, Back at Mama's" featuring Faith Hill, 2014's first indication that a traditional country-leaning song could become a hit (and a song that outpeaked the category winner at Billboard), had won instead of Miranda's "Automatic." It's the fact that all of these races, with strong if not superior cases for other winners, have gone Blake/Miranda's way that the voting dynamic appears to be unfairly tilted, and it's only natural that campaigning/politicking would be brought up as part of an explanation for why. But in the end, this is less about Blake/Miranda winning and more about a variety of other talents in the genre not getting deserved recognition from one of its trade organizations.
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Post by rsmatto on Nov 8, 2014 0:28:11 GMT -5
Unfairly tilted? Really? Deserved recognition? Again, really? If you really think Narvel/Starstruck hold that much power in Nashville, well, there nothing I can do to persuade you otherwise.
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 8, 2014 20:06:08 GMT -5
if you folks really think that a little party, even with political like campaign buttons and vip lanyards with USB version of the albums would sway people to,vote for shelton, then you don't understand most people who vote and nothing I say will convince you otherwise. So sorry I'm not at your level. Hopefully one day if I manage to run an average Country music blog, I'll understand a bit better.
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Post by Markus Meyer on Nov 8, 2014 20:47:56 GMT -5
if you folks really think that a little party, even with political like campaign buttons and vip lanyards with USB version of the albums would sway people to,vote for shelton, then you don't understand most people who vote and nothing I say will convince you otherwise. So sorry I'm not at your level. Hopefully one day if I manage to run an average Country music blog, I'll understand a bit better. Nothing against Matt, as I do respect his website and opinion, but I laughed so hard at this.
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Post by countryfan4life on Nov 14, 2014 13:41:57 GMT -5
Here are my thoughts on the CMAs. I'm a little late I know, but 've been super busy and haven't had the time.
First I'm going to start off with the winners. I went 6/11 for the night, but the way it started out I thought I was going to do really bad with my predictions.
Entertainer of the Year:
My Prediction: Luke Bryan Winner: Luke Bryan
All I can say, after seeing Luke in August it's about time he won this! I'll be honest, with all of the Miranda love I had my doubts about him winning, so hearing Garth say "Luke Bryan" it was music to my ears! Well deserved on Luke's part, and his acceptance speech made me love him even more. "Well, I've never met Garth. Hey Garth. Can I hug you again?"
Male Vocalist of the Year
My Prediction: Dierks Bentley Winner: Blake Shelton
Love Blake and I think he's deserving, but since you could make a case for all of the guys nominated there easily could have been a new winner. I was really rooting for Dierks or Luke.
Female Vocalist of the Year
My Prediction: Miranda Lambert Winner: Miranda Lambert
Unlike Male Vocalist there was a clear winner in this category and it was Miranda. I have nothing against Miranda, but I just want to see someone different win this. The only way this will happen is if more females are given a chance.
Album of the Year
My Prediction: Platinum – Miranda Lambert Winner: Platinum – Miranda Lambert
No surprises here. Like I said in my prediction pretty much every time Miranda is up for album of the year she wins, so I wasn't expecting anything different this year. I would have loved Dierks to win, but I thought that .
Vocal Group of the Year
My Predication: The Band Perry Winner: Little Big Town
This was a tough category to predict, but with the momentum LBT had going into the award show I wasn't surprised to see them win.
New Artist of the Year
My Prediction: Brett Eldredge Winner: Brett Eldredge
Yay!!!! I have to admit, when Thomas Rhett and Cole Swindell were announced as performers and Brett as a presenter, I started to second guess my prediction a little. I would have been ok with Cole, but I'm so happy Brett won.
Vocal Duo of the Year
My Prediction: Florida Georgia Line Winner: Florida Georgia Line
No surprises here. This is the easiest award to predict and will continue to be if no one gives them some competition.
Single of the Year (Award goes to artist and producer)
My Prediction: "Drunk on a Plane," Dierks Bentley Winner: "Automatic," Miranda Lambert
I can't say that I'm surprised, but I really thought Dierks had this one.
Song of the Year (Award goes to songwriters)
My Prediction: "I Don't Dance," written by Lee Brice, Rob Hatch, and Dallas Davidson Winner: "Follow Your Arrow," written by Kacey Musgraves, Brandy Clark and Shane McAnally
This was the last song I would have predicted to win, because if anyone was going to win I thought it would have been Miranda. I'm disappointed "I Hold On" or "I Don't Dance" didn't win.
Musical Event of the Year
My Prediction: "We Were Us," Keith Urban and Miranda Lambert Winner: We Were Us," Keith Urban and Miranda Lambert
One of my favorite songs on Fuse and I'm so happy it has been a success.
Music Video of the Year
My Prediction: "Something Bad," Miranda Lambert and Carrie Underwood Winner: "Drunk on a Plane," Dierks Bentley
I knew it was a toss up between these two videos, and seeing how the night went for Dierks, I'm glad he at least won in one category. It would have been nice for Carrie to get another CMA. It's been too long.
As for the show, Brad and Carrie were hilarious as usual and I loved how they announced the sex of the baby. Performances as a whole were solid, but Carrie's was by far my favorite. I can't get enough of that song! It was also nice to see Kenny Chesney and Keith Urban both performing on an award show again. Add Rascal Flatts to the mix and it would have been even better! I still don't get the purpose of Ariana Grande and Meagan Trainor performing, but at least they sounded good. I loved the Vince Gill tribute and I loved the comments he made on the comradery of the artists in country music. That is the reason I love this genre so much. If I had one complaint it would have been Dierks being way underrated. He deserved at least one more award, but for all of the awards I was a little disappointed in, the CMA definitely made up for it by awarding Luke and Brett. Overall this was my favorite CMA's in a while. Usually I'm either unhappy with awards or the performances, but this year I was content with pretty much everything.
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