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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 17:54:43 GMT -5
Mafia loves him to stay in the game because he is such a distraction. Idk. I kind of play by the policy of "if it looks scummy, lynch it" but everyone already knows that. Our alts are Green Baron (not a bad option), or an inactive (Az, Ginger Spice, Rocky).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 17:55:07 GMT -5
Oh but I forgot to reply to the quote directly: that's kind of why I think he'd be the best target even if he does flip town lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 18:04:13 GMT -5
You guys stress me in these games, no one takes my word for a dime, nothing. I'm almost positive GB is not scum, so if possible I'd like the weight to shift elsewhere, you find me defensive as f**k over him, oh well I'm trying to get a good lynch here and not a mislynch, and I'm getting extreme newb town vibes from him, so I'm gonna defend him for now fwiw. We have nothing to go off of yet, and lynching someone who seems to give a f**k doesn't seem like the best move, as here early a lot of people are being rather quiet outside of myself and Green Baron i.e. Post count in the thread. I'm feeling good about popstop after that analysis, but it's not fully drawn town vibes for me, cause the vote against GB offsets the other good points in my mind. Cynthia, I'm feeling rather good about to, but that's just because I like her points and couldn't imagine scum Cynthia, but I am kinda side-eying her as the leader of Gb's lynch wagon, as I don't think she's one to go after newb town players from what I remember and it gives me a sense she knows something. Idk, I wanna look more into the people who currently have their votes on people that only have one vote, cause they're most likely rvs reasons. Also I'm not liking Coco's unwillingness to read, as it gives me Libra vibes from God Redacted who was mafia and publicly stated to me that he didn't feel like reading my posts, and that to me more or less is a cop-out. So anyways, back into my hole for a bit. See this is why I find you scummy. I'm very good at judging things and feeling people out. It's a life long skill. I didnt say i didnt like reading your posts so fail 1, I said you were driving me sensory system into overload cause honey u were doing toooooo much and from a game perspective trying to figure out why. - why are you "positive" GB is not scum and why are you so hellbent on shifting others from him so much. - how are you saying we have nothing to go by and you're almost positive he isnt. question to the panel is invince always this coked out in games? I feel like his flavor is Rihanna this game.
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Post by popstop on Aug 4, 2014 18:07:16 GMT -5
LOL, yes, Invince is always like this. He was like this in the BB house as well.
That's why I'm torn on him. It's not that different from how he usually plays, but he does seem to be rather aggressive today.
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Post by Rocky on Aug 4, 2014 18:12:58 GMT -5
Invince you are great at playing a psychotic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 18:16:28 GMT -5
It's not that different from how he usually plays, but he does seem to be rather aggressive today. It's entirely plausible that he's town and just playing a very poor game, but where this becomes a problem is that, as you said, it's a great distraction for scum to hide behind or even throw him under the bus. Something about Cynthia is still rubbing me wrong but I can't put my finger on it so there's no point in putting a vote down if I can't make a case for it. The other issue is that can we really expect scumX to play that much differently from townX (X being the player, obviously). I feel like during these games, we kind of trap ourselves into these ideas that players are going to act a certain way depending on their alignment and I don't think that's a particularly safe mindset-- last game kind of highlights it (Wot, and to a lesser extent me). That's why I'm kind of advocating for the mentality that we should lynch based on scummy activity, not neccessarily because player XYZ is acting differently or similarly to a past game. If that makes sense. I'm also not saying we have to settle on Invince either. We have other options, but in my mind he's the best option right now.
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Post by popstop on Aug 4, 2014 18:26:09 GMT -5
I suppose that's true, but sometimes you can see a difference - maybe less of an interest in voting people, being quieter than usual, less quality input. I'm not opposed to Invince being lynched, but I do think we have time to consider other options.
We have so many people who just seem kind of there to me - I totally forgot Max was playing. And the entire former Snowtrapped mafia alliance (Rocky, Codex, Ginger, Zebra) are giving me a null read.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 18:35:34 GMT -5
Ok so instead of an analysis I'm just going to read back starting at page 17 with Invince's megapost, which is basically when s**t started to get serious. WARNING: this will be kind of a wall. -- Page 17Glad I got this done with, not gonna be too active these next few weeks, so I hope this along with a few comments here and there and maybe another one of these at some point is enough to make it last and convince people that I'm town, haha. Still very confused by this. You're trying to feel for scum reads on RVS. Surf in particular is weird, because all of your points are shaky at best and seem intentionally spun at a scummy angle. You claim you're unsure of Coco, but then place her in the scum category for... what? Posting more than Az? I'm also curious as to how you came up with three scum instead of four. Three scum would be less than 25% of the players-- way too small. The quoted portion though in particular set me off, because you've been just as active. This feels like a setup: you put in a lot of work (rather, a giant summary of all the happenings followed by loose opinions) then get out of dodge by playing the "I'm busy" card so you never have to do it again and won't look sus for it. FoSThis was more for next week than this week, as from the 9th-16th I'll be out running around a lot. And for references, I do play the same way every game, as much of a distraction it is, the harder it would make it for you to distinguish if I really was scum. Aggressive strategy, but that's the way I play all the time, I'm not one that likes to win playing some type of layed back/chilled strategy. Coco and Cynthia, you should take a look back at my posts in God Redacted Mafia, it might give you a better sense of how I play. I guess popstop's point is correct, I'm too much of a distraction for town, but that's really not my intention, I just like to get discussion started and I end up making myself look scummy as f**k for it time after time. How is starting discussion and actually giving my true feelings scummy? I don't get it. If I were scum, what would really be the sense in pushing for people to put their votes on someone? Then ask GB to role claim, I mean that's a horrible move if you're scum cause you're literally begging to be lynched, I know that was a horrible move for the town that I am too b/c it actually does look as if I'm begging for once. Mafia loves him to stay in the game because he is such a distraction. Idk. I kind of play by the policy of "if it looks scummy, lynch it" but everyone already knows that. Our alts are Green Baron (not a bad option), or an inactive (Az, Ginger Spice, Rocky). I don't really like this strategy early on in the game, b/c believe it or not, Town usually gets lynched on D1, so it might be better to actually lynch a wild card type player that could still give you info, cause after all I'm always town and always get nearly lynched D1 b/c what I say naturally appears scummy. You guys stress me in these games, no one takes my word for a dime, nothing. I'm almost positive GB is not scum, so if possible I'd like the weight to shift elsewhere, you find me defensive as f**k over him, oh well I'm trying to get a good lynch here and not a mislynch, and I'm getting extreme newb town vibes from him, so I'm gonna defend him for now fwiw. We have nothing to go off of yet, and lynching someone who seems to give a f**k doesn't seem like the best move, as here early a lot of people are being rather quiet outside of myself and Green Baron i.e. Post count in the thread. I'm feeling good about popstop after that analysis, but it's not fully drawn town vibes for me, cause the vote against GB offsets the other good points in my mind. Cynthia, I'm feeling rather good about to, but that's just because I like her points and couldn't imagine scum Cynthia, but I am kinda side-eying her as the leader of Gb's lynch wagon, as I don't think she's one to go after newb town players from what I remember and it gives me a sense she knows something. Idk, I wanna look more into the people who currently have their votes on people that only have one vote, cause they're most likely rvs reasons. Also I'm not liking Coco's unwillingness to read, as it gives me Libra vibes from God Redacted who was mafia and publicly stated to me that he didn't feel like reading my posts, and that to me more or less is a cop-out. So anyways, back into my hole for a bit. See this is why I find you scummy. I'm very good at judging things and feeling people out. It's a life long skill. I didnt say i didnt like reading your posts so fail 1, I said you were driving me sensory system into overload cause honey u were doing toooooo much and from a game perspective trying to figure out why. - why are you "positive" GB is not scum and why are you so hellbent on shifting others from him so much. - how are you saying we have nothing to go by and you're almost positive he isnt. question to the panel is invince always this coked out in games? I feel like his flavor is Rihanna this game.GB's gameplay just honestly seems like newb town type play, I get why people think it's weird I'm defending him, but it's very similar to what he did in the last game. What I meant by nothing to go off of was Night-kills and lynches, peoples role flips, not nothing to go off of as far as content, as far as I'm concerned we got a lot to go off of on that note. Well, I'll take the bolded part as a compliment. :) LOL, yes, Invince is always like this. He was like this in the BB house as well. That's why I'm torn on him. It's not that different from how he usually plays, but he does seem to be rather aggressive today. It's not any different than how I played in God Redacted, is it? I always play this type of aggressive strategy. It actually gives me a decent read on who's scum, because scum would try and frame everything I'm saying to make it look worse. Invince you are great at playing a psychotic. Why thank you, it takes many years of acting. It's not that different from how he usually plays, but he does seem to be rather aggressive today. It's entirely plausible that he's town and just playing a very poor game. I'm just trying to understand here is there anything that makes you think differently of my game than how I played in God Redacted. Lynching someone for how they naturally play... is just off. I've never been that great of a town player, and it continues here. Overall, I'm honestly not the best lynch target, I'll leave that there, you can debate from there.
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Post by Ginger Spice on Aug 4, 2014 19:44:49 GMT -5
Wait I kind of went through the thread fast, but was Green Baron really at L-1 at some point? My vote was on him, but I wouldn't have wanted anyone to be lynched that fast on D1. I don't really know who to vote for at this point, but I definitely need to read through again before I make that decision. Az's name keeps getting brought up, which I find odd, although I guess his inactivity is uncharacteristic, but I don't think that's enough to lynch him for.
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Post by Ginger Spice on Aug 4, 2014 19:57:23 GMT -5
Maybe I didn't do the math right but I think Invince only put Green Baron at L-2. Still, if he thought he was putting him at L-1, yet saying "Don't hammer. I don't think he's scum." that's a little fucked up because even if he was trying to put pressure on him, if he had 5 or 6 votes on him already that's pressure enough, especially for D1 several days before the deadline. Plus there's only so much you can get out of a person on day 1 anyways. I can't decide if it's scummy or just really bad playing, though. FoS both Invince and Green Baron. I'm tempted to move my vote to Invince but I haven't decided if I will yet.
Right now I'm getting town vibes from Kunt, Cynthia, and popstop. They are actually being helpful without looking crazy. I'm kind of in limbo with what I think of everyone else at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 20:06:22 GMT -5
What people don't realize is that you guys wait... And wait... And wait... For something to happen, and I made something happen. I pushed discussion (along with a couple others who i commend for that), and now for pushing everything as aggressively as I did, I'll probably get lynched, if anything this should give people from that god redacted game the same vibes from there. You guys are so damn stubborn with your votes that you wait till somebody does something out of the ordinary and then everyones willing to lynch them whoopee. This is like Az's last minute lynch in god redacted (which I was part of the lynch, so technically I shouldn't be complaining), but we all waited till he claimed Town Cop, and what did we do? We thought he was scum. What I'm trying to say here is we take way too long with this stupid rvs reasoning and once someone tries to push and away and give reason all it comes back to do is look scummy, this isn't the first time this has happened to me either. Funny how it's mostly people who don't know my style of play and weren't in that game that are voting for me.
Anyways, I will claim if put at L-1.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 20:07:06 GMT -5
Should i just quit defending? It's only gonna make me look scummier.
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Post by surfy on Aug 4, 2014 20:08:57 GMT -5
No, I feel like defending yourself is the best thing to do in this game. In fact, if you don't defend yourself, that looks scummier imo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 20:12:25 GMT -5
Look... I'm not the smartest town player and I never have been, but tbch I would never do an analysis like I have in this game if I were scum. I'd be to scared it'd look scummy, because i've never been scum.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 20:13:58 GMT -5
Whatever
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 20:14:37 GMT -5
We lynched Az because at the time the claim was ridiculous. The problem with your defense is that you're taking an "everyone is wrong and I'm the best" attitude about this instead of saying oops here's what I was trying to do but ok I fucked up.
I said this last game but you made shit happen. The problem is all it did was bring the attention on you. We have no reads on anyone but GB from this, and you yourself said "I think GB is town". So if we believe both of you, we have nothing and you ultimately didn't do that much. Which is why everyone is defaulting to you-- you looked scummy doing it and your best defense is "no you're wrong I'm actually the only one pushing discussion." It just doesn't look good either way.
Defending yourself isn't the problem. It's your defense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 20:15:25 GMT -5
When/if I'm lynched and flip town, would anyone care to label gb as town? I'm pretty confident about him. Lynching myself and confirming a townie would at least help in some way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 20:15:45 GMT -5
wow idek why I said last game, I mean I said this a few pages ago. Brain dead.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 20:16:26 GMT -5
When/if I'm lynched and flip town, would anyone care to label gb as town? I'm pretty confident about him. Lynching myself and confirming a townie would at least help in some way. that would depend on whether or not your role somehow confirmed his alignment as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 20:17:34 GMT -5
We lynched Az because at the time the claim was ridiculous. The problem with your defense is that you're taking an "everyone is wrong and I'm the best" attitude about this instead of saying oops here's what I was trying to do but ok I f**ked up. I said this last game but you made s**t happen. The problem is all it did was bring the attention on you. We have no reads on anyone but GB from this, and you yourself said "I think GB is town". So if we believe both of you, we have nothing and you ultimately didn't do that much. Which is why everyone is defaulting to you-- you looked scummy doing it and your best defense is "no you're wrong I'm actually the only one pushing discussion." It just doesn't look good either way. Defending yourself isn't the problem. It's your defense. Ok maybe i am bitter. I'd still like to see others push discussion though, you haven't done bad and Cynthia's done her job.. And I can say the same about popstop, but there are too many people chilling and not really helping, which is where i'm getting at.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 20:20:35 GMT -5
We lynched Az because at the time the claim was ridiculous. The problem with your defense is that you're taking an "everyone is wrong and I'm the best" attitude about this instead of saying oops here's what I was trying to do but ok I f**ked up. I said this last game but you made s**t happen. The problem is all it did was bring the attention on you. We have no reads on anyone but GB from this, and you yourself said "I think GB is town". So if we believe both of you, we have nothing and you ultimately didn't do that much. Which is why everyone is defaulting to you-- you looked scummy doing it and your best defense is "no you're wrong I'm actually the only one pushing discussion." It just doesn't look good either way. Defending yourself isn't the problem. It's your defense. Ok maybe i am bitter. I'd still like to see others push discussion though, you haven't done bad and Cynthia's done her job.. And I can say the same about popstop, but there are too many people chilling and not really helping, which is where i'm getting at. I can sympathize with this actually, and it's a reoccurring problem with a lot if games. To be honest, I think I buy it. unvote: Invincevote: Green Baron
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 20:20:57 GMT -5
I know you think he's town but I don't, frankly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 20:21:22 GMT -5
Alright, i owe an apology for my actions, I've had the wrong mentality and way of thinking and I'm sorry. If you wanna know what my mindset was behond a certain move i made, ask me and i'll tell you. Sorry to the town, not scum.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 20:21:39 GMT -5
Or well, no, I guess that's too easy. unvote: Green Baron.
Give me a min.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 20:22:51 GMT -5
I know you think he's town but I don't, frankly. Alright, I got ya, I'll stop pushing for him so hard, cause honestly I'm not 100% sure, but I still feel it's most likely he's town. Anyways, I've shoved that enough down people's throats.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 20:24:02 GMT -5
Actually, vote: Codex
I'm kind of weirded out by the push for a Green Baron/Invince alliance, because that feels easy. We also saw last game that the line of thinking he's pitching doesn't really work.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 20:25:15 GMT -5
If I'm being completely honest, I don't like how quiet Zebra. is starting to be. And he voted for az because of that??? Vote: Zebra. He's been much quieter since we exited rvs.
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Post by popstop on Aug 4, 2014 23:36:35 GMT -5
The Codex vote - I dunno - his line of reasoning might not work, but he was town last game, so I'm not sure I understand that line of thinking. I like his observation that he doesn't think you and Surf are scum based on your Surf slam.
Zebra is a difficult read for me; I might be more willing to look at him.
But for now, I'm going to offer an alternative in the form of ry4n. He is one who has a lot of RVS, and then gets a few one liners in on Invince's GB vote and GB;s role claim, and that;s about it. Not seeing much attempt to move town forward.
And THANK GOD the search is working again, so I can review this stuff!
Vote: ry4n, the original Allison!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 23:46:25 GMT -5
The Codex vote - I dunno - his line of reasoning might not work, but he was town last game, so I'm not sure I understand that line of thinking. I like his observation that he doesn't think you and Surf are scum based on your Surf slam. Well, yeah, that's kind of why I'm raising an eyebrow; that line of thinking failed him last game as a townie, so why bring it back up? It's just unusual is all, and it feels like a reach. The only other point he's made was the Surf/me thing, but even that is shaky because I threw Surf under the bus a lot last game and Drag made the same assumption that we weren't aligned (before Surf killed himself and process of elimination fucked him over). Not trying to say that making that observation was scummy, just that it's not automatically a town tell either or a particularly strong read-- but I think Codex knows that. I thought about ry4n as well. Pointed that out in the giant multiquote thing. I just don't see anything explicitly scummy yet. He's more in the Coco/Az/Rocky/Max (sorta) category right now: a floater.
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Post by josh on Aug 4, 2014 23:46:28 GMT -5
Anorexia.
With 14 alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch.
Deadline is August 6, 11:00pm ET.
Az: 1 (Zebra) Codex: 1 (Kunt) Green Baron: 3 (Ginger Spice, Rocky, Ry4n) Invincible: 4 (Max, Coco, Surfboardt, Cynthia) Rocky: 1 (Codex) Ry4n: 1 (Popstop) Surfboardt: 2 (Az, Green Baron) Zebra: 1 (Invincible)
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