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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 16:05:02 GMT -5
Well then you might as well call "Friday" by Rebecca Black one of the most successful songs of all time. there's no way I would remember that song if it weren't for the uproar caused by it. Impact =/= popularity. Friday has an impact too. Just because people are interested in a viral meme that happens to have a song playing, doesn't mean that a significant portion of them give a s**t about the song itself. And those that do took the time to listen to it and enjoy it. And I totally think that THAT should count, because it reflects the success of a song. It doesn't make sense to call a song successful just because a lot of people knew about it due to a meme associated with it. Whatever, it's not even that important. I just hope that no viral meme will happen again or that Billboard will be more rational about it and account for actual SONG popularity. I am not saying one song or another is successful. I am not arguing for or against Billboard's method change from 2013.
You are making assumptions that 95% of all people not posting here are forgetful. I am willing to bet that many of those familiar with Harlem Shake enough to watch the video at that time in 2013 remember it today, Alzheimers doesn't set in that quickly. Those who passed on that "pop culture" moment in time probably did forget or never cared to begin with.
I am suggesting that with the amount of time you are devoting to this over a year later suggests that you remember it well, it doesn't matter if you liked it or not. It had an impact on you. Does that mean impact = popularity? no. I never said that. It is certainly a component though.
I don't agree or disagree with the points you are making. I do however disagree with making a Spring 2013 issue the central theme of the 8/30/2014 thread
So what did you think of the Taylor Swift song?
I get that people remember it to the point that if someone were to bring it up they can recall it in their memory. But otherwise if it's not brought up it's never thought about. Surely people actually think about Can't Hold Us, Just Give Me A Reason, etc. because those songs were truly popular and had an impact. But according to billboard apparently somehow they were less successful and less popular than Harlem Shake. Whatever. I do agree though that we need to shift back to what's relevant to this week's chart. I think Taylor's song will surely sell more than Problem did in its opening week - around 500k. I think Billboard and the other sources are underestimating how much it will sell. It's still at more than twice of All About That Bass which is also selling more this week than any song has sold in any given week for the last few months. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 21, 2014 16:05:35 GMT -5
Just because you disagree with my logic?. What logic? |
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Post by Fancy on Aug 21, 2014 16:12:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 16:12:13 GMT -5
They were also never made to be a measure of what the most watched dance is, the most watched movie trailer is, the song with the most google searches with 3 or more common letters is, or even what the most talked about song is (if that's the case then why should Gangnam Style have peaked at #2 when it was waaaaaaay more talked about than the number one song at the time?) "Gangnam Style" being blocked had way more to do with airplay playing a factor than anything else. I'm not the biggest fan of the YouTube inclusion either, and the bizarre rules around it. It was actually the last straw that made me stop following the Hot 100 entirely. (That and it being too boringly slow). But what can I really do about it? I don't work for Billboard and have no say over the methodology. Thank you for being rational! Oh and I'm all for the YouTube inclusion! It's a good accurate representation of what's popular because people very often use YouTube as their means of searching their favorite song or that song that their friends recommended to them or that they heard for the first time on the radio; it reflects what's popular quite well, but only if those views come from people interested in the song. There's no problem with that (of course it wouldn't hurt to include likes and dislikes as a factor but yeah). It's not the streaming factor that causes the grotesque inaccuracy. Anyway, that's the last thing I'm going to say about that. Let's seriously switch the topic of conversation back to this week's chart. |
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Post by surfy on Aug 21, 2014 17:03:36 GMT -5
Okay Billboard is NOT a measurer of the most liked song of the week. It is simply the most KNOWN and highest grossing songs of the week... I don't see why there is an argument over this.  Harlem Shake, like it or not, was the most popular song of the week, everyone knew what it was, everyone knew the song, there is seriously nothing to argue about on this topic! *moves along* (I despise the song, but it deserved #1) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 17:14:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd say it's more a measure of the most commercially successful songs of the week. Popularity doesn't necessarily go hand-in-hand with that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 17:36:24 GMT -5
Okay Billboard is NOT a measurer of the most liked song of the week. It is simply the most KNOWN and highest grossing songs of the week... I don't see why there is an argument over this.  Harlem Shake, like it or not, was the most popular song of the week, everyone knew what it was, everyone knew the song, there is seriously nothing to argue about on this topic! *moves along* (I despise the song, but it deserved #1) your argument makes no sense to me and I don't understand how that makes a song popular, but whatever. Moving along, just like you said. Don't want to argue anymore. I'm trying to halt this discussion so please don't keep it going. Back to what's relevant. |
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Post by surfy on Aug 21, 2014 17:44:35 GMT -5
I don't know how it didn't make sense, but agreed. Let's just drop it!!!
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Aug 21, 2014 18:55:58 GMT -5
unless anaconda's performance is a live tv equivalent to wrecking ball, there is no way its in the top 3 24 Million Views of Anaconda in under 2 days, Top 5 on iTunes, and has Airplay all are equaling a pretty huge jump next week on the Hot 100. idk about top 3 though. Top 5 maybe. But top 10 is guaranteed. It sucks that her highest peaking song could be the worse song that she's ever released. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 19:34:00 GMT -5
24 Million Views of Anaconda in under 2 days, Top 5 on iTunes, and has Airplay all are equaling a pretty huge jump next week on the Hot 100. idk about top 3 though. Top 5 maybe. But top 10 is guaranteed. It sucks that her highest peaking song could be the worse song that she's ever released. yeah it certainly doesn't deserve to peak higher than Super Bass or Starships IMO |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 7:15:58 GMT -5
There has been discussion for months about was it really "popular" enough as a song to be #1 LAST YEAR. Popularity doesn't necessarily mean "like" or "dislike"(I get that people here hate it), the mere fact that it is being so heavily discussed over a year later means its impact was big and its ranking was deserved. No it's not because of how amazing or interesting the song was, it was about how people are still really pissed about the change in methodology which unfairly deprived other songs that were truly popular and about how many of us are still pissed off about how UNDESERVED it was. Well people seem to have forgotten it including myself but now that the topic managed to come up it reminded me of what happened last year and it still cheeses me to this day. I'm pretty sure 95% of people who don't follow the charts don't even remember that Harlem Shake exists (and haven't remembered its existence for over a year now). I know I'm late to the discussion, but you do realize that Harlem Shake sold 2 million+ right? At its peak it was selling around 290k/week, almost 3x as much as Rude is selling right now. Everyone was singing and dancing to it, talking about it nonstop. It paved the way for other trap hits such as Drunk In Love, Talk Dirty, Dark Horse, Turn Down For What, etc. Anaconda is going to get around 20 million US views in its first week, Harlem Shake got 120 million. Maybe it didn't deserve all 6 weeks, but it deserved the first 3 for sure, and it sure as heck was a more memorable number one than a couple "legit" number ones, like When I Was Your Man, Whistle or Part Of Me. |
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Aug 26, 2014 11:39:29 GMT -5
I would also say literally the exact opposite of this. It is becoming one of those curiosity songs that will pop up at parties for years to come. There is probably a better example, but sort of like the macarena lol. People still go apeshit over it whenever it comes on, I don't know anyone who never participated in the viral aspect of it, and I can guarantee you that if you played a clip of the last 20 #1s Harlem Shake would be in the most recognized category over some of these other ones.
I am not sure if it deserved all those weeks at #1, but I don't know how anyone can argue against what a cultural phenom it was. It was literally unavoidable. Even my MOM did a video with it.
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