Billboard Hot 100 08/30/2014

[Kris]

3 Day Update

1. SAM SMITH – Stay With Me: 218.509 (+ 1.944)
2. MAGIC! – Rude: 203.886 (- 1.933)
3. NICO & VINZ – Am I Wrong: 198.721 (- 6.299)
4. DISCLOSURE – Latch f/Sam Smith: 136.229 (+ 0.341)
5. MAROON 5 – Maps: 114.101 (+ 3.858) ▲
6. ARIANA GRANDE – Problem f/Iggy Azalea: 112.943 (- 7.671) ▼
7. IGGY AZALEA – Fancy: 104.487 (- 4.289) ▼
8. CHARLI XCX – Boom Clap: 102.854 (+ 7.411) ▲
9. JOHN LEGEND – All Of Me: 93.443 (- 2.970) ▼
10. ONEREPUBLIC – Love Runs Out: 81.532 (- 3.143)
11. JEREMIH – Don’t Tell ‘Em f/YG: 79.356 (+ 6.780)▲
12. CALVIN HARRIS – Summer: 79.137 (- 2.686) ▼
13. TINASHE – 2 On f/Schoolboy Q: 75.398 (+ 0.276) ▼
14. ARIANA GRANDE – Break Free f/Zedd: 66.828 (+ 2.471) ▲
15. CLEAN BANDIT – Rather Be f/Jess Glynne: 66.739 (+ 2.885) ▲
16. KATY PERRY – Dark Horse: 65.198 (- 4.254) ▼
17. DIERKS BENTLEY – Drunk On A Plane: 64.947 (+ 1.010)
18. LEE BRICE – I Don’t Dance: 64.137 (- 3.200) ▼
19. ENRIQUE IGLESIAS – Bailando f/D.Bueno/S.Paul/GDZ: 62.212 (+ 2.179)
20. DEMI LOVATO – Really Don’t Care f/Cher Lloyd: 61.925 (+ 2.940)



BRAD PAISLEY – River Bank: 61.705 (+ 1.310)
LADY ANTEBELLUM – Bartender: 61.099 (+ 0.919)
TIM MCGRAW F/FAITH HILL – Meanwhile Back At Mama’s: 60.126 (+ 0.953)
SIA – Chandelier: 57.573 (+ 2.414)
IGGY AZALEA – Black Widow f/Rita Ora: 57.250 (+ 2.772)
LIL WAYNE – Believe Me f/Drake: 56.829 (+ 0.009)
KENNY CHESNEY – American Kids: 54.708 (+ 1.609)
COLDPLAY – A Sky Full Of Stars: 53.309 (+ 2.702)
SCHOOLBOY Q – Studio f/BJ The Chicago Kid: 50.765 (+ 0.206)
JESSIE J/A. GRANDE/N. MINAJ – Bang Bang: 47.479 (+ 4.714)
FLORIDA-GEORGIA LINE – Dirt: 43.293 (+ 1.513)
MEGHAN TRAINOR – All About That Bass: 38.280 (+ 7.481)
M. LAMBERT & C. UNDERWOOD – Somethin’ Bad: 34.764 (+ 1.169)
JASON ALDEAN – Burnin’ It Down: 32.738 (+ 1.564)
ECHOSMITH – Cool Kids: 32.008 (+ 1.750)
T.I. – No Mediocre f/Iggy Azalea: 31.137 (+ 0.208)
KIESZA – Hideaway: 26.941 (+ 0.206)
LITTLE BIG TOWN – Day Drinking: 23.915 (+ 0.864)
CHRIS BROWN – New Flame f/Rick Ross: 23.909 (+ 0.784)
ED SHEERAN – Don’t: 23.397 (+ 1.663)
TRAIN – Angel In Blue Jeans: 22.005 (+ 0.798)
DRAKE – 0 To 100/The Catch Up: 17.222 (+ 1.155)
RITA ORA – I Will Never Let You Down: 16.993 (+ 0.294)
5 SECONDS OF SUMMER – Amnesia: 16.648 (+ 2.260)
NICKI MINAJ – Anaconda : 16.044 (- 6.458)
TOVE LO – Habits (Stay High): 14.563
VANCE JOY – Riptide: 14.127 (+ 0.415)
BEYONCE – Flawless: 11.820 (+ 0.385)
KATY PERRY – This Is How We Do: 11.110 (+ 3.632)
USHER – She Came To Give It To You: 10.803 (+ 0.064)
PITBULL – Fireball f/John Ryan: 9.923 (+ 0.788)
THE SCRIPT – Superheroes: 6.818 (+ 0.118)
HOZIER – Take Me To Church: 6.728 (+ 0.214)
HILARY DUFF – All About You: 0.100

[brady47]

Has anyone noticed that the charts are very static now? I mean, Dark Horse, All of Me, and Fancy have already racked up 13-14 weeks in the top 3 alone. That was a pretty big deal back then, but now it happens so much more often.

[Deleted]

Dark Horse: 23-16
Happy: 15-21

Dark Horse is now officially higher ranked on the hot 100 than Happy. Also, wtf at Dark Horse rising 7 spots, #LongetivityChamp.

Speaking of Longetivity Champs, Counting Stars moves 35-35 on its 60th week. 60 week for Counting Stars!!!! #LongetivityChamp.

[icefire9]

There was a viral video of Dark Horse, but I was under the impression that it was too short in length to count for streaming. Regardless, Dark Horse and Counting Stars are two of my favorite recently released songs, so I'm very happy for their success.

[irice22]

It sure takes songs longer to leave the Top 10. I think having streaming count for less would help things more fresh. Doesn't it award way more points for streaming than it does for the same size radio audience? They should be even.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Aug 14, 2014 20:45:42 GMT -5 irice22 said:

It sure takes songs longer to leave the Top 10. I think having streaming count for less would help things more fresh. Doesn't it award way more points for streaming than it does for the same size radio audience? They should be even.

They should get rid of the bought and paid for airplay component...user generated listens and likes should be counted....ie streams and purchases.

[HolidayGuy]

^No matter how much you want airplay to leave the mix, it's not gonna happen. :)

[irice22]

Bought and paid for? That's illegal. Airplay is a huge component in representing the biggest songs in America, especially considering terrestrial radio hasn't really tanked as expected with the introduction of streaming and digital radio.

I'm saying it should be about outreach. More listeners, more points. It's simple. Songs weren't lasting this long until streaming arrived.

[velaxti]

Aug 14, 2014 22:02:06 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

^No matter how much you want airplay to leave the mix, it's not gonna happen. :)

You're right, but at this stage streaming is never going to leave the chart either. If any component is going to leave it's probably sales tbh. Sales are in terminal decline now, by the end of the decade I bet the #1 each week will be selling less than 100,000. So even if they don't leave, it will probably get to the point where they become basically irrelevent to the chart like in 2004. That's unless Billboard keep adjusting the formula every year to give more weighting to sales to make up for the decline.

However, out the three components, airplay is definitely the one which is slowest. Songs usually just climb/drop a few positions each week in airplay. Sales fluctuate the most with some songs having huge surges/drops each week (which speeds up the overall chart). Streaming is somewhere in-between with it generally being a slow-moving chart, but you do see big climbs/drops on streaming, especially when it comes to a new music video getting released or a viral video.

I know everybody will be against it, but I think adding Twitter to the Hot 100 would speed it up a little bit, since it seems to be quite a fast-moving chart (lots of new entries, big climbs and drops) which would cause a bit more movement if it was included in the overall chart.

[areyoureadytojump]

LOL at all the drama when it comes to declining sales!

"terminal"?

Billboard won't get rid of airplay or sales for the Hot 100.

[Gary]

Correct. Percentages in how they weight them may be tweaked from time to time but the components are here to stay. With a minor exception sales and airplay have been around since the beginning.


regarding terminal decline of sales:

Sales are not in terminal decline, they have simply peaked FOR NOW.    As long as there is music for sale people will be able to buy it. 

Streaming too will peak.  People will realize what happens to their music if they forget to pay their monthly bill.   Some might cancel as subscription rates go up as labels to to streamline profits.

I don't know when that peak will be, but it will happen, then sales will come back up.

[HolidayGuy]

Sales have a LONG way to decline before they become irrelevant like they did prior to digital sales entering the Hot 100 mix.

[SPRΞΞ]

Aug 15, 2014 1:48:12 GMT -5 irice22 said:

Bought and paid for? That's illegal.

Yes, but we all know it's payola. Are you saying everything in the music industry is legal, truthful, and honest?

[irice22]

Aside from Clear Channel deals, you have as much evidence of that as you do big labels paying off Spotify to fudge the numbers. I mean, do you really think everything in the music industry is legal, truthful, and honest?

[badrobot]

Labels found middlemen to get around payola (aside from Clear Channel deals, which I have NO idea how those are legal) -- they may not be paying directly for each individual play, but getting your song out there in the first place requires a lot of cash. The fact that radio is so insanely consolidated with playlists controlled by corporate headquarters instead of individual DJs means there's no such thing as an organic radio hit. Songs used to "break" thanks to individual DJs finding them and giving them attention. Unless radio has some sort of severe antitrust action taken against it, that's never going to happen again.

[areyoureadytojump]

There hasn't been an Clear Channel deals lately, has there?

EDIT:

Wasn't Maps the last one?

[mluv]

Aug 15, 2014 15:11:17 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Labels found middlemen to get around payola (aside from Clear Channel deals, which I have NO idea how those are legal) -- they may not be paying directly for each individual play, but getting your song out there in the first place requires a lot of cash. The fact that radio is so insanely consolidated with playlists controlled by corporate headquarters instead of individual DJs means there's no such thing as an organic radio hit. Songs used to "break" thanks to individual DJs finding them and giving them attention. Unless radio has some sort of severe antitrust action taken against it, that's never going to happen again.

Do you think sites like Youtube is taking away some of radio's power and are now producing the organic hits?  I think the Meghan Trainor song for instance, was a youtube  video hit and a viral hit before radio started playing it.  It's like by being popular and selling well on itunes  she forced their hand and they had to start playing her song.    I think the same thing happened with the Sia song Chandelier where it feels like radio was the last to get on board.  

[Kris]

Aug 15, 2014 16:03:09 GMT -5 areyoureadytojump said:

There hasn't been an Clear Channel deals lately, has there?

EDIT:

Wasn't Maps the last one?

I was gonna say dirt but I guess country isn't Clear 

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Aug 15, 2014 16:03:09 GMT -5 areyoureadytojump said:

There hasn't been an Clear Channel deals lately, has there?

EDIT:

Wasn't Maps the last one?

Bang Bang.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Aug 15, 2014 16:17:16 GMT -5 Kris said:

Aug 15, 2014 16:03:09 GMT -5 areyoureadytojump said:

There hasn't been an Clear Channel deals lately, has there?

EDIT:

Wasn't Maps the last one?

I was gonna say dirt but I guess country isn't Clear 

You don't need radio to measure popularity anymore if it's just going to resemble TV in another form. At least with streams and sales users actually had to do the leg work of playing those songs. To me that makes them a more accurate representation of what people like and are listening to.

[HolidayGuy]

DJs just spin the music, though- program directors ultimately are the ones who make decisions on what's played regularly and what isn't, yes? With audience feedback/research, supposedly, serving as what dictates as much.

[badrobot]

Aug 15, 2014 16:14:44 GMT -5 mluv said:

Aug 15, 2014 15:11:17 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Labels found middlemen to get around payola (aside from Clear Channel deals, which I have NO idea how those are legal) -- they may not be paying directly for each individual play, but getting your song out there in the first place requires a lot of cash. The fact that radio is so insanely consolidated with playlists controlled by corporate headquarters instead of individual DJs means there's no such thing as an organic radio hit. Songs used to "break" thanks to individual DJs finding them and giving them attention. Unless radio has some sort of severe antitrust action taken against it, that's never going to happen again.

Do you think sites like Youtube is taking away some of radio's power and are now producing the organic hits?  I think the Meghan Trainor song for instance, was a youtube  video hit and a viral hit before radio started playing it.  It's like by being popular and selling well on itunes  she forced their hand and they had to start playing her song.    I think the same thing happened with the Sia song Chandelier where it feels like radio was the last to get on board.  

Definitely. "Going viral" online via a site like YouTube is the modern equivalent.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Aug 15, 2014 20:22:30 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

DJs just spin the music, though- program directors ultimately are the ones who make decisions on what's played regularly and what isn't, yes? With audience feedback/research, supposedly, serving as what dictates as much.

You could say the same about when someone performs on TV... it's not as accurate as user generated sales and listens and it's based on format and other things... not necessarily audience influenced things.

[velaxti]

Aug 15, 2014 7:58:03 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Sales have a LONG way to decline before they become irrelevant like they did prior to digital sales entering the Hot 100 mix.

It will happen though. Obviously it will take many years.

For example, in the UK physical sales were nearly the entire chart in the mid-00s, but by 2009 they'd already become almost irrelevent to the chart with digital sales accounting for probably 95%+ of sales by then. That change happened pretty fast imo. So in this case, I wouldn't be surprised if by 2020 the #1s regularly sell under 100,000. Then maybe 5 years after that they'll be selling under 50,000, and so on.

[areyoureadytojump]

^But, that's still enough sales to count.

Billboard still counts physical cd singles for the Hot 100.

Let's concentrate on 2014, shall we? We don't know what's going to happen 11 years from now. (I'll be old! lol)

[imbondz]

I think Tv performances should now count as airplay. How is it any different than counting youtube views?

So if 30 million turn in to see your performance it counts that week toward the charts. There'd be crazy jumps going on.

[imbondz]

Aug 16, 2014 6:02:31 GMT -5 velaxti said:

Aug 15, 2014 7:58:03 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Sales have a LONG way to decline before they become irrelevant like they did prior to digital sales entering the Hot 100 mix.

It will happen though. Obviously it will take many years.

For example, in the UK physical sales were nearly the entire chart in the mid-00s, but by 2009 they'd already become almost irrelevent to the chart with digital sales accounting for probably 95%+ of sales by then. That change happened pretty fast imo. So in this case, I wouldn't be surprised if by 2020 the #1s regularly sell under 100,000. Then maybe 5 years after that they'll be selling under 50,000, and so on.

I think it's going to happen sooner than that but there also may be a new medium to consume music that pops up in the next 5-10 years.

[Gary]

Regardless of what new medium comes up, there is and always will be three ways to get music

1. buy it
2. rent it
3. get it for free

Billboard doesn't count option #3. Streaming is the current way to get #2.

Once streaming peaks (and it will, it is just a matter of time), sales will pop back up.

Edited to be clear(for HG): Yes there are ways to get music for free that counts, there, will be in the future too.  (radio airplay, free streaming).  My original post was pertaining to getting free copies of music.

Doesn't change my original point either.  We are seeing a dip in #1 because of the rise of #2 and #3,  #3 sounds like it will always be there.  #2 will hit a peak at some point, which will bring #1 back up

Edit #2 (for HG):  #1 has peaked, but I think not dead or even close to it.  #2 will obviously have a peak at some point in the future.  Will number 3 have a peak.  Will people grow tired of getting stuff for free?  I suppose.  Either way, the dollars that were being poured into #1 are being taken by #2.  #3 involves no money

 

[HolidayGuy]

But, free streaming does count- i.e. views on outlets such as YouTube, Vevo, etc.

I refuse to pay for any music services, i.e. Spotify- obviously, a number of people do, though. If I like it enough, I will purchase it.

[imbondz]

Aug 16, 2014 8:29:08 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

But, free streaming does count- i.e. views on outlets such as YouTube, Vevo, etc.

I refuse to pay for any music services, i.e. Spotify- obviously, a number of people do, though. If I like it enough, I will purchase it.

I was like that too until I dove into Spotify. I freakin' love Spotify. Try the Premium version when they have a 1 month Free promotion, make all your playlists, have it automatically install all your iTunes playlists (crazy it does that), and juuuuuuust like that you'll be hooked. My $9.99 / month Spotify expense is one I refuse to give up. Netflix would go before Spotify.


In terms of expense importance for me it goes something like this:

Electricity > Spotify > Water > Car Payment > iPhone > Mortgage > Netflix > Cable TV