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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 20, 2014 21:35:00 GMT -5
Harlem Shake wouldn't have been #1 and I think most people (assuming their head isn't all the way up their own ass) would agree that certainly wasn't nearly the most popular song (you most likely wouldn't find a single person in the world who would say that Harlem Shake was their favorite song or that they even enjoyed it very much; a lot of people who watched the videos didn't even know that what was playing was considered an actual legitimate track). Same goes with Soko and the extra weeks at #1 for Wrecking Ball, etc. My head isn't far up my ass (as far as charts and music goes) and I don't disagree with those songs doing as well as they did because of the videos they were in. I do think Harlem Shake did spend more weeks at #1 than it should have but it was deserving of #1 for at least two of those weeks. |
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Post by Tea-why on Aug 20, 2014 22:39:49 GMT -5
Am I missing something? Why do people not want "Stay With Me" to be number one?  i see why people would like it but it's really f**king boring to me. I find it a tad bland myself but I was wondering if there was a reason other than taste that I missed since two people said they were happy it wasn't number one without the same few posts lol |
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Aug 20, 2014 22:50:34 GMT -5
I think he's almost singularly overrated. People like to talk about him as the male Adele, but he has neither the voice nor the song quality.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 23:02:34 GMT -5
Harlem Shake wouldn't have been #1 and I think most people (assuming their head isn't all the way up their own ass) would agree that certainly wasn't nearly the most popular song (you most likely wouldn't find a single person in the world who would say that Harlem Shake was their favorite song or that they even enjoyed it very much; a lot of people who watched the videos didn't even know that what was playing was considered an actual legitimate track). Same goes with Soko and the extra weeks at #1 for Wrecking Ball, etc. My head isn't far up my ass (as far as charts and music goes) and I don't disagree with those songs doing as well as they did because of the videos they were in. I do think Harlem Shake did spend more weeks at #1 than it should have but it was deserving of #1 for at least two of those weeks. You're probably just someone who passionately hates Thrift Shop then and is glad to see anything at #1 even some irrelevant person's 30-second dance meme track which is just a repeating loop of a 3-to-4-second segment as long as it isn't Thrift Shop because I can't think of any other reason why someone would think that. There is no way in hell that I'll ever believe that it was even remotely close to being the most popular song in the country at any point. Top 10 would have been reasonable due to its very brief success in sales (still not nearly as big as that of TS) but it certainly wasn't the most popular. And an almost negligible amount of people (if any at all) actually clicked on those videos for the song itself. That's why the official audio/video for the track exist. I completely agree those should count (even though there is some bias in terms of attractive females and things like that but it'll have to do anyway) because people stream them because they actually want to listen to the song and not watch people flopping around like dipshits. Thus most people would agree Soko's song shouldn't have been on the chart at all. How the hell does it make sense that most people are very familiar with Best Day of My Life, Same Love, Love Somebody, Ain't It Fun, etc. and that all those songs got a lower peak than WMBDBT which I would be surprised if you could find 0.001% of the population that has actually even heard of that song. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 20, 2014 23:13:26 GMT -5
]You're probably just someone who passionately hates Thrift Shop then and is glad to see anything at #1 even some irrelevant person's 30-second dance meme track which is just a repeating loop of a 3-to-4-second segment as long as it isn't Thrift Shop because I can't think of any other reason why someone would think that. I'm sorry. Excuse you?? I'd take offence to your suggestion that I believe the charts are a certain way because of how I feel about individual songs but that would mean I see you as being credible. I don't because that's basically what you're doing. The Hot 100 doesn't measure the most well-liked song of any given week, nor does it measure intent behind why people listen to a song. The Hot 100 measures, to the best of its ability at any given time depending on technology and whatever other factors play into it, the most listened to and most popular song in a particular period. Harlem Shake, in the weeks those videos were viral, WAS the most popular piece of music. EVERYONE was watching the various videos people were posting. EVERYONE was sharing those videos and MANY people were making videos of their own. Who cares if people were watching the videos for the song or not? That isn't important. What's important was that they were HEARING the song. If you're going to suggest that intent is important for determining where a song should place on the Hot 100, argue against radio's contribution to the chart because people have little control over what radio plays. Argue against hype singles like Born This Way, Roar and Shake It Off from counting in their first week of release because people are only listening to those songs out of curiosity for the artists, not because they like the actual song. |
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Post by pnobelysk on Aug 20, 2014 23:41:35 GMT -5
Digital market is not dead for high-profile, well-executed releases. If someone with a fraction of the star wattage sold 438K with a fraction of the release week publicity, there is no reason to act as if 425-450K for Taylor Swift is all rosy. This notion that there is some standard "good sales" figure -- and that the artist, level of hype and artist's past sales performance are irrelevant -- is simply ignorant to how this business works. TV ratings are in the toilet right now. If the Super Bowl, which did like 111M viewers last year, did 75M viewers this year, people would FREAK OUT. Under your argument, they shouldn't, because 75M is really awesome in this age of declining TV ratings. (and, yes, I recognize the analogy isn't perfect due to the business interest involved in the Super Bowl number - but my point is that people would also call it a bad rating - not just bad for advertisers). If that still isn't satisfying, let's look at the estimates. They've gone down from the original projection. Even if you're saying I'm crazy for thinking Big Machine wanted this to perform on par with the previous lead single (and, trust me, I'm not), we now know that its Tuesday was not as strong as the experts expected. That's a FACT. And, let's continue, shall we? Remember that there is a HUGE image element to the entertainment business. So much value is placed on superficial achievements and how you can spin them--I mean, look at how record companies work to game the charts. If Shake it Off doesn't have the best opening week of 2014, that's a HUGE blow from an image standpoint. And that matters.  this statement is as absurd as the clue you think Ava needs to buy. 1) the biggest debut that has ever happened is only 200k more than Ari's numbers; by your own logic everyone's favorite divas ever are all fails b/c they have never managed to top Flo Rida, a perennial singles artist for the digital era if there ever was one. 2) you seem to be operating under the false assumption that a new artist's opening week should never outsell an older artist's opening. This makes no sense...like, at what point is it 'acceptable' for Ariana to do better than someone else then? is she supposed to wait until we've packed Taylor and Katy and Gaga and shipped them off to the former-pop-stars old folks' home? it's entirely possible for artists' singles to do well at the same time and that is precisely what is happening here. i also think it's highly dismissive of Ariana's nick fanbase or the hype campaign that her team also set up for "Problem." you're basically going out of your way to diminish Ari's star just so you can try to make Taylor's opening week look bad, but all that does is make you look kind of ridiculous. 3) never mind the fact this opening week 'battle' is moot, since we all know Taylor's album opening week alone will trump all. if i were her or her team and i was that concerned about 'image' or spinning record achievements, i'd be trying to be the first artist to have three albums open with more than 1 million, NOT getting my knickers in a bunch over an opening sales week achievement that isn't even currently held by a 'notable' superstar, let alone icon or legend. personally I didn't expect SIO to open quite as well as WANEGBT, and also don't expect 1989 to sell as much as Red. that by no means indicates that SIO or 1989 won't do well, period. this is the luxury Taylor has afforded herself by being such a sales force for her first four albums, that even with a drop on the fifth she will continue to outpace most others. tl;dr I'm with Ava that you really don't know what Taylor or her team are thinking, and even if you were right that they are concerned with superficial achievements they'd be thinking on a MUCH higher level than you are. so stop trying to create some struggle for her that simply doesn't exist and sit. let me add that Taylor's singles have always been a means to her albums' end - that is, while she obviously needs the songs to be popular, their overall sales or chart peaks have never been quite as important to her image as her overall album sales. That's why it doesn't matter, for example, that IKYWT and WANEGBT never broke 4 million; the album did, and in this sales market that's the rarer (and thus more impressive) feat. I knew you were trouble Is actually at 4.9 million. |
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Post by Joe1240 on Aug 21, 2014 0:09:45 GMT -5
Reading thru this thread as a Taylor Swift fan.
My throughts-
Maroon 5's lead single "Maps" was down compared to "Payphone" 2 years ago and yet nobody mentions this.
Yes some of us Taylor fans predicted a high digital sales week like I predicted 800k.400K is not bad for a first week sales week. She is very close to topping Ariana Grande's "Problem" first week sales. Didn't this same talk happen one year ago when Katy Perry and Lady Gaga's lead singles debuted with lots of sales before. Taylor is not in decline,Taylor still has the fan base.Look at the video on youtube with already 18 Million views so far. Glad this will be Taylor's 2nd number one single. It is well deserved. Taylor does pop right. :)
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Post by mluv on Aug 21, 2014 0:32:14 GMT -5
I think he's almost singularly overrated. People like to talk about him as the male Adele, but he has neither the voice nor the song quality. I think he's getting the rating he deserves and it wouldn't have been some kind of travesty if it got to number one. It's just a matter of personal taste. It's not like the prior number one songs were examples of singular quality. That Iggy song was perfectly silly and inauthentic (if you're going to toss out culture appropriation accusations out she'd certainly fit the bill especially with the fake accent) and yet was number one for weeks. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 0:54:23 GMT -5
Am I Wrong and Wake Me Up would've reached their full potential if it weren't for videos for songs with attractive young females wearing little clothing and boys/men of all ages watching those videos while doing things that should not be mentioned on Pulse. Hahaha no...I guarantee that a large portion of Wake Me Up's YT views came from the attractive woman lying in bed in the thumbnail. Mind you that at least one of those two girls is an underage girl lol so that's not something I want to think about (males watching that for specific reasons...and that's not it, there was nothing provocative or "sexy" about that video, hence why it didn't generate nearly as many views as songs like Roar and especially Wrecking Ball (don't know why people find her attractive though, I guess it must've been the nudity regardless of who the female is lol). And that's why I kinda feel like it was unfair, as though the views weren't entirely based on the popularity of the song itself, but that's about as close as we can get because it's true that many people's primary means of listening to music not on their MP3 player is via YouTube. Spotify is an excellent indicator of song popularity though! Perhaps the best one, in fact! ]You're probably just someone who passionately hates Thrift Shop then and is glad to see anything at #1 even some irrelevant person's 30-second dance meme track which is just a repeating loop of a 3-to-4-second segment as long as it isn't Thrift Shop because I can't think of any other reason why someone would think that. I'm sorry. Excuse you?? I'd take offence to your suggestion that I believe the charts are a certain way because of how I feel about individual songs but that would mean I see you as being credible. I don't because that's basically what you're doing. The Hot 100 doesn't measure the most well-liked song of any given week, nor does it measure intent behind why people listen to a song. The Hot 100 measures, to the best of its ability at any given time depending on technology and whatever other factors play into it, the most listened to and most popular song in a particular period. Harlem Shake, in the weeks those videos were viral, WAS the most popular piece of music. EVERYONE was watching the various videos people were posting. EVERYONE was sharing those videos and MANY people were making videos of their own. Who cares if people were watching the videos for the song or not? That isn't important. What's important was that they were HEARING the song. If you're going to suggest that intent is important for determining where a song should place on the Hot 100, argue against radio's contribution to the chart because people have little control over what radio plays. Argue against hype singles like Born This Way, Roar and Shake It Off from counting in their first week of release because people are only listening to those songs out of curiosity for the artists, not because they like the actual song. It was a viral meme. Yes, people heard the song (though most people were unaware of it, showing its insignificance). The chart measures the most POPULAR songs. People heard it =/= it was popular. "Popular" means a lot of people like it; "well-known/viral" refers to when a lot of people know it. The Harlem Shake dance meme (which didn't even use the full song, only 30 seconds of it so what are we even talking about?) was popular and everyone was into it. NOT the song. Bllboard measures what America's favorite song is and I can guarantee you it was never Harlem Shake. Just because people heard it doesn't mean it was the most popular song. Sure a video can help generate a song's popularity, but this is why it must track when people are interested in the actual song and want to click on a video dedicated to the actual song, which I can totally understand why it should count. You can't just make an ad that everyone is forced to watch with a song in it and call that the most popular song unless it actually causes people to respond positively (which would not be the case for Harlem Shake). You're implying that you think Friday by Rebecca Black was the most popular song in its time, when in reality everyone knows it was rather the opposite: the country's LEAST favorite song. That's why Billboard should only count views for when people clicked on the song's official clip because if a lot of people want to watch that, then it's obviously the song itself. Better yet, On-Demand streaming ensures that no one is "listening to the song" just to see someone naked on a ball or partially dressed or whatever. And radio is a much better indication than some shitty dance meme which is popular that happens to have an audio track (or in this case like 20% of it! that somehow counts for the full song according to Billboard) because radio won't play a song that it knows people are not interested in hearing. And no I will not argue against Roar, Born This Way and Shake It Off. Why? Because no one is going to spend $1.29 "out of curiosity" when there are audio clips all over the internet for one to listen to in order to determine whether they like the song or not and want to download it. |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Aug 21, 2014 1:00:50 GMT -5
What are the odds that Anaconda will snatch the throne? The video is ripping it in terms of views, the song rebounded into Top 10 shortly after vid appeared and she's get VMA exposure. Not sure it will be enough, but wouldn't THAT be a huge upset?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 1:04:15 GMT -5
What are the odds that Anaconda will snatch the throne? The video is ripping it in terms of views, the song rebounded into Top 10 shortly after vid appeared and she's get VMA exposure. Not sure it will be enough, but wouldn't THAT be a huge upset? I hope not lol! I still don't think it'll have enough sales to surpass M Train or T Swift in any case though lol |
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Post by TylerG11 on Aug 21, 2014 1:08:25 GMT -5
So sad to see Sam peak at #2 on both the hot 100 and billboard 200. Still great success though.
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Post by kanimal on Aug 21, 2014 1:23:13 GMT -5
Why is "for a lead Taylor Swift single that received unparalleled hype and is receiving monstrous airplay and exposure" missing from your post? I'm going insane at people not understanding that you don't compare Taylor Swift to the market average. You compare her to Taylor Swift standards. I don't understand your logic at all. Taylor still has the potential to have the largest digital sales week of the year. Why does she have to do twice as much as the second best sales week in order to be a success? Taylor's selling power is becoming her own worst enemy. You're acting as though she's projected to sell 200k, and debut at #2 on the digital charts behind a new artist like Meghan Trainor. You're right that Taylor typically out-does the average artist in the sales department. But by what margin does she need to out sell them in order for you to declare her a success? If her album opens to 600k, will that be a flop? Even if the average opening for a major star is probably 1/3 of that figure? Also, regarding "Taylor Swift standards" (whatever that means), debuting with one million once is very rare. Doing it twice is unprecedented. It's only been done by one other time, if I recall correctly. You can't expect someone to uphold those kind of stats album after album. What I want is a legitimate attempt to analyze the pretty steep sales single-to-single sales decline. Everyone--and I'm guilty of this as well--seems to be attacking this from a retroactive, binary perspective - is 425K a good or bad number? The discussion I feel we SHOULD be having - and why we come to a site predicated on overanalyzing the music business - is why this is pacing to do 200K less first week sales than her last single. And why is it pacing to do less than what the overwhelming majority of us expected going in? People keep saying "you can't expect someone to to always sell 600K+ in this era." Fine. But I also don't know a single person here or anywhere else who was legitimately guessing this would do less than 500K. I certainly don't recall anyone, outside of maybe Ariana Grande fan forums, saying it would potentially sell less than Problem. And so I'm confused why that fact seems to be getting dropped in this discussion. Everyone is defending the objective merit of the number, but if it was truly expected in "this climate," people would have been guessing 425K. They weren't. And if it's actually a smash or amazing or whatever description everyone is using, then you should be able to point me to intelligent guesses that said "No way this does more than 300K." There have been points that I like in this thread. Someone said "you can't compare this to Ariana - she was hyping her song on social media for weeks and had pre-orders." But the thing is that you actually CAN make that comparison, because this discussion is as much about the label's strategy as it is the drawing power of Taylor or her music. If going nuts on social media = sales, then Taylor should be doing so. If announcing the song in advance = more sales, then Taylor should have abandoned the live stream concept (of course, WANEGBT tells us that surprise live streams are very effective). If putting the song up for pre-orders = more sales, then this should have been up for pre-orders. That Ariana did all those things doesn't make this an apples-to-oranges comparison. It just proves that Taylor didn't implement an optimal strategy. As for the notion of all artists peaking, that's obviously true, but it's not a notion that jibes with what we've seen of Taylor. She's coming off a really successful world tour. She's coming off an album that finally launched her as a major player at pop radio. Every tangible indication suggests she's a bigger star now than she was in 2012, so it's a story if that star power isn't translating to sales. And if she doesn't really have peak star power right now, it's a story if her star power somehow declined even as she was becoming a legitimate pop radio star. You can introduce the point about the market declining, but that hasn't affected Taylor before. The market has been declining since she arrived, yet she continues to buck that trend and get bigger. So if the macro issue DID affect her this time, why? Why was she immune before now? These are all relevant questions. And I think the discussion is done a great disservice by blowing everything off because "425K is still a good number." I doubt you are surprised, but I absolutely mentioned that. |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Aug 21, 2014 1:25:16 GMT -5
What are the odds that Anaconda will snatch the throne? The video is ripping it in terms of views, the song rebounded into Top 10 shortly after vid appeared and she's get VMA exposure. Not sure it will be enough, but wouldn't THAT be a huge upset? I hope not lol! I still don't think it'll have enough sales to surpass M Train or T Swift in any case though lol I hope not either - it would be ironic if Anaconda was #1, AATB #2 and #3SIO. Nice little butt shaking trio. haha |
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 21, 2014 1:34:08 GMT -5
LOL @ this thread. Entertaining.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 21, 2014 2:04:08 GMT -5
Bllboard measures what America's favorite song is No it doesn't. You're implying that you think Friday by Rebecca Black was the most popular song in its time, when in reality everyone knows it was rather the opposite: the country's LEAST favorite song. Friday was the most talked-about song for a short period of time. It wasn't liked across the board (unless liked ironically or liked for being so bad, like a terrible B-movie that people watch and legitimately love despite being so terrible) but it was extremely well known and it got streamed a LOT by a LOT of people. If the Hot 100 were open to streaming back then, I certainly wouldn't object to Friday's likely Top 10 placement because it definitely deserved it. no one is going to spend $1.29 "out of curiosity" when there are audio clips all over the internet for one to listen to in order to determine whether they like the song or not and want to download it. You think so? If that's the case, why did Beyonce's surprise album sell so well in the first day of release despite having no samples or audio clips made available the day before? You think every single person who bought that album did so because they sampled it somewhere else on the internet first? You really don't think people won't spend $1.29 on a brand new song by an artist they are already a fan of without hearing it somewhere else first? I know I've done it quite a few times. Hell, I've bought entire CDs by artists without having heard a single track from it and have gone on to love those albums. In fact, I bought one yesterday and my first impression of it based on one listen, it's gonna be great. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 21, 2014 8:14:29 GMT -5
I wonder who would be #1 with the airplay component taken out. In most cases, a song that close to no one has heard of. Without streaming, on the other hand, Harlem Shake wouldn't have been #1 and I think most people (assuming their head isn't all the way up their own ass) would agree that certainly wasn't nearly the most popular song (you most likely wouldn't find a single person in the world who would say that Harlem Shake was their favorite song or that they even enjoyed it very much; a lot of people who watched the videos didn't even know that what was playing was considered an actual legitimate track). Same goes with Soko and the extra weeks at #1 for Wrecking Ball, etc. Am I Wrong and Wake Me Up would've reached their full potential if it weren't for videos for songs with attractive young females wearing little clothing and boys/men of all ages watching those videos while doing things that should not be mentioned on Pulse. I mean if Billboard is to account for only views for the song's official audio or video and not fan made videos or parodies or 100 million "views" per week for people flopping around like dipshits to a short 30-second sample to a track that most people don't even know is a legitimate track let alone that people actually like it well then that's a different story and perhaps a more accurate representation of which songs are popular in streaming. And when it comes to radio well obviously those songs that get a lot of audience are popular because a song is played a lot if it gets requested a lot and when they see that no one wants to hear it anymore then they stop playing it (i.e. Birthday) so it is a much more accurate representation than people squirming around to a 30-second dance video which happens to contain a sample of some particular track. and that's my rant for today. No it is not. Songs used to chart high on airplay and no one know who the artist is now or that it's a legitimate track. That happens from time to time. The point is the people consumed the song and if they went through the trouble of making a video with it even more reason to believe it was popular...than some DJ playing background music at the hair salon that neither you nor anyone else really cares to listen to....and radio inflating its numbers year after year after year so it has undue influence on the HOT 100. Again its influence is in that it can get people to stream the song more or it can get people to buy the song more but that's more like TV rather than streaming or sales. Streaming and sales are individuals doing the leg work. Radio is radio guessing what they think people will want to hear. The fact of the matter is that radio is the reason you don't see more debuts and more action on the charts. Billboard needs to give us a chart without the airplay component. |
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Post by velaxti on Aug 21, 2014 8:37:43 GMT -5
I like Harlem Shake personally (well, I like most trap songs), and I think it actually was a popular song, as I still hear it in clubs sometimes. It's kind of annoying how people assume that songs that don't have a strong vocal melody can't possibly be liked...
I listen to Harlem Shake sometimes personally, but that's not really worth mentioning since just because one person likes the song it doesn't mean it was popular. However, the club airplay the song still gets is worth mentioning, since it's DJs choosing the song (not me) and playing it to hundreds of people every night (not just me), so that can be used as evidence that the song was popular.
I think we'll be having a similar discussion in a few weeks if Don't Tell 'Em gets top 10, since I already know when/if it does everybody is going to start whining and saying the song isn't really popular.
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Post by kanimal on Aug 21, 2014 9:26:32 GMT -5
When it comes to the Billboard chart, popularity is defined as the optimization of a song's prevalence and reception.
It's not just about awareness - if it were, Billboard would just add up airplay + unique streams and rank songs based on total audience size.
It's not just about reception - if it were, Billboard would just look at reviews and sales.
It's about the maximum possible combination of both. To reach #1, most songs require strong awareness AND a strong reception (defined by sales). But it is also possible that a song's sales reception is so large that it can compensate for limited awareness. The same is true of the reverse.
Will people really try to make that argument? The song is within the Top 25 on 3 formats, #1 on one format and #2 on another (and about to go #1 there as well). Plus, it's selling well.
I would argue Anaconda is more likely to be subject to criticism, since its sales (unless they stay scorching hot through the end of the week) + airplay alone wouldn't bring it into the Top 10.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 21, 2014 9:54:32 GMT -5
When it comes to the Billboard chart, popularity is defined as the optimization of a song's prevalence and reception. It's not just about awareness - if it were, Billboard would just add up airplay + unique streams and rank songs based on total audience size. It's not just about reception - if it were, Billboard would just look at reviews and sales. It's about the maximum possible combination of both. To reach #1, most songs require strong awareness AND a strong reception (defined by sales). But it is also possible that a song's sales reception is so large that it can compensate for limited awareness. The same is true of the reverse. Will people really try to make that argument? The song is within the Top 25 on 3 formats, #1 on one format and #2 on another (and about to go #1 there as well). Plus, it's selling well. I would argue Anaconda is more likely to be subject to criticism, since its sales (unless they stay scorching hot through the end of the week) + airplay alone wouldn't bring it into the Top 10. Wait wait wait why unique streams and not unique listens to a song as it relates to airplay? Because that information is unavailable. Again the streaming data is a better indicator of people using the records. Airplay is at best a lagging indicator and at worst just another form of TV bought and paid for slots by record companies and TV show producers and what not. It's subject to label politics rather than organic listener interest. |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Aug 21, 2014 9:55:24 GMT -5
I'm assuming that there has been another adjustment during past couple of months because I don't recall another song selling over 100K in a week and not even making the Top 40. I was really surprised BM's low debut. I know that's it main component, but when I see some Chop Suey song make Top 30 or that viral song make the Top 10 a few months ago (with barely any sales), I have to wonder.
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Post by kanimal on Aug 21, 2014 10:08:30 GMT -5
I'm assuming that there has been another adjustment during past couple of months because I don't recall another song selling over 100K in a week and not even making the Top 40. I was really surprised BM's low debut. I know that's it main component, but when I see some Chop Suey song make Top 30 or that viral song make the Top 10 a few months ago (with barely any sales), I have to wonder. Similar recent situation: Maroon 5's It Was Always You, which came out the same week as Bang Bang, started at #45 on the Hot 100 with 95K sales (so basically 100K). I believe it was also available on streaming networks right off the bat, so it should have received some light points from that component of the chart as well. |
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Post by damazz09 on Aug 21, 2014 10:11:45 GMT -5
I can't believe that the Harlem Shake chart topping is still being talked about. Yes, I think that Billboard could have found a better way to count the views (it should have been something similar to 6 viewings of the 30 second clip = 1 viewing of a full song)but there is no doubt that Harlem Shake was the most popular song when it was out. That song was literally everywhere.
And Billboard is now measuring America's favorite song? News to me. Favorite and most popular are not the same thing. Harlem Shake was more popular + bigger than Thrift Shop at the time (now if it was for 6 weeks- that's debatable)
As for Taylor, Shake It Off is going to debut very strong, however I don't think people need to worry about her debuting with 400k sales. The last time Taylor came out with a new single was 2 years ago and digital sales have dropped significantly from then. Digital sales have dropped 10-15% percent from their peak in the past year and half which would make sense why the amount this time around is lower. Taylor mever fit the trend though with album sales (she's able to get 1 million + in sales where cd's have never sold worse) and I think that the opening week amount won't be that much lower from her previous installment.
The thing that I'm looking forward to is to see if Taylor can beat Britney's record for largest opening week. She was super close last time around but Britney held out. I like Taylor and she seems nice but I would only want a star that was as huge as Britney at the time of "Oops" to shatter the record. I don't think Taylor is at that caliber now.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Aug 21, 2014 10:16:10 GMT -5
LOL @ this thread. Entertaining. Some people take this way too seriously. Who knew 425-450k would cause essays? EDIT: I know I have my moments too! |
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Post by Gary on Aug 21, 2014 10:56:03 GMT -5
I loved Harlem Shake, if for nothing else, it brought instrumentals back to #1 for the first time in decades and much needed shake-ups to the chart.
Taylor Swift has a hit, no question about it. When it comes to high profile releases, people will seem to complain about the numbers regardless of what they are.
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Post by kanimal on Aug 21, 2014 11:42:55 GMT -5
LOL @ this thread. Entertaining. Some people take this way too seriously. Who knew 425-450k would cause essays? EDIT: I know I have my moments too! Well, it now looks like it's doing way more than 425, so crisis averted! |
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Post by mluv on Aug 21, 2014 12:11:19 GMT -5
I'm sure the music biz would be shocked to hear there was even talk of a crisis. There has only been one album that's sold over a million this year and that's a soundtrack (Frozen). If Taylor Swift could find a way to get there and to sell a lot of singles no one is going to do anything other than applaud. What's going to count more is the long term sales rather than just the opening number.
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Post by Gary on Aug 21, 2014 12:22:31 GMT -5
The music biz, I am sure says this is a hit. The album will likely be the biggest thing to come out since 'Frozen'
The people here and on similar message boards just need something to talk about.
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Aug 21, 2014 12:29:17 GMT -5
I would guess that the top 3 on next week's Hot 100 will be all solo females: Taylor, Nicki, and Meghan.
Girl power!!! It's not often that females run the music business.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 12:53:35 GMT -5
Whatever. A 30-second sample (it's not even the whole damn song! That just goes to show how irrelevant it was and how those views had nothing to do with the song and hence shouldn't be counted towards the popularity of the song. If anything make some viral dance chart or something) of a track that happened to be playing in the background of videos of people flopping around like dipshits being the 4th most popular song of the year is preposterous. How in the hell was it more popular than Can't Hold Us, Mirrors, Just Give Me A Reason, When I Was Your Man, etc.? Those were some of the biggest hits of the year. You'd be lucky to find 1% of people who would say that they liked Harlem Shake more than any of those songs last year, let alone all the ones below them. I get that it was popular, but there's no way in hell that it was the most popular song at the time or that it wS remotely close to being the 4th most popular song of the year. When I first read both the March 2nd weekly and the year-end, I thought it was a joke: that Billboard was trolling. I couldn't believe when it was actually legit.
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this statement is as absurd as the clue you think Ava needs to buy.
