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Post by renfield75 on Feb 13, 2015 9:48:48 GMT -5
Credit has always been a tricky thing on the Hot 100. It's due to label politics, not Billboard choice. Quincy Jones has a slew of top 40 hits as an artist, but he was only the producer on those songs (similar to most of Calvin Harris' hits, David Guetta, Avicii, etc). Martha Wash sang several top ten hits in the early 90s but has no credit for them. Otis Redding was credited for his first top 40 hit in decades for a vocal sample on "Otis" but Aloe Blacc has no top 5 credit for "Wake Me Up".
The most confusing one to me was film director Baz Luhrmann's #45 hit from 1999 "Everybody's Free (To Wear Sunscreen)". He didn't do the spoken word vocals (he hired a voice actor for that), the lyrics were based on a speech somebody else wrote, the title was a take on a Rozalla song, and he didn't write or perform the backing music. He was the only credited artist and, as far as I know, all he contributed was the idea to do it!
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 13, 2015 11:45:40 GMT -5
nielsen.tumblr.com/post/110905464496/february-13-2015-with-five-debuts-in-the-topMusic SalesDigital track sales are up 9% over last week, down 9% over the same week last year and down 12% year-to-date over 2014. Track-equivalent album sales are up 8.7% over last week and down 5.4% year-to-date over 2014. Mark Ronson’s “Uptown Funk” holds at No. 7 for the seventh non-consecutive week on the Digital Songs chart, with 319,000 downloads sold, down 12% over last week. Seven of the top ten digital songs post download increases over last week, including Missy Elliott, who parlays her appearance on last week’s Super Bowl broadcast to a 300% download increase for “Work It,” which leaps 63-9.
Radio AirplayEd Sheeran’s “Thinking Out Loud” jumps 3-1 on the Hot AC chart. It is his first No. 1 single at the format. The song also scores the biggest spin increase at CHR, moving 4-2. Taylor Swift’s “Blank Space” jumps 4-1 on the AC chart. It is her fifth chart-topper at the format and second straight, following “Shake It Off.” Mark Ronson’s “Uptown Funk” debuts at another radio format, scoring the top debut at Urban at No. 31. The song remains at No. 1 at CHR and Rhythmic. Kem’s “Nobody” jumps 2-1 at Urban AC. It is his fifth No. 1 at the format and second straight, following “It’s You.” Imagine Dragons’ “I Bet My Life” moves 2-1 at Triple A. It is the group’s first chart-topper at the format. The song also debuts at CHR this week at No. 37. Taylor Swift’s “Style” scores the top new entry at Rhythmic at No. 31. It is her highest debut at the format to date. The Offspring’s “Coming For You” picks up the top new entry at two formats, landing at No. 23 Mainstream Rock and No. 31 Alternative. It is the fourth time they have debuted in the top 25 at Mainstream Rock and is their highest charted song at both formats since “Days Go By” peaked in the top ten in July 2012. StreamingTwo songs post stream totals over ten million this week, with Mark Ronson’s “Uptown Funk” holding at No. 1 on the Weekly Combined Stream Playlist with 17.9 million streams. Ed Sheeran’s “Thinking Out Loud” remains at No. 2 with 12 million streams. Hozier and O.T. Genasis also hold their positions from last week, at No. 3 and No. 4 respectively. Maroon 5’s “Sugar” jumps 8-5. Other big movers include Bobby Shmurda’s “Hot Boy” 44-14, Ellie Goulding’s “Love Me Like You Do” 29-16, Heartland’s “I Loved Her First” entering at No. 24, The Weeknd’s “Earned It” 38-27, Katy Perry’s “Roar” 47-32, Rihanna, Kanye West & Paul McCartney’s “FourFiveSeconds” coming in at No. 35, Chris Brown & Tyga’s “Ayo” 94-42 and Fetty Wap’s “Trap Queen” 74-46. CountrySam Hunt also holds at No. 1 on the Country Core Genre Digital Songs chart, as “Take Your Time” posts a 9% download increase. Thomas Rhett’s “When I Was Your Man” debuts at No. 2, matching his highest chart peak to date with 2013’s “It Goes Like This.” Luke Bryan’s “I See You” remains at No. 1 on the Country Airplay chart for the second straight week. It is his seventh chart-topper to spend multiple weeks at No. 1. Florida Georgia Line’s “Sun Daze” edges 3-2, Thomas Rhett’s “Make Me Wanna” jumps 4-3 and Blake Shelton’s “Lonely Tonight” moves 6-4. Zac Brown Band’s “Homegrown” picks up the biggest audience gain of the week, moving 19-14 with a 4.6 million increase. Kenny Chesney’s “Wild Child” scores the biggest chart move of the week, vaulting 49-36. Two songs debut this week, led by Carrie Underwood’s “Little Toy Guns” at No. 52. It is the follow-up to her No. 3 hit “Something In The Water.”
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Post by theflying on Feb 13, 2015 12:54:43 GMT -5
Austin, we understand what you're saying, but I'll reiterate -
It's not for Paul's album.
He's not singing.
He has no solo.
He's one of nine cowriters, and the reality is, we know how songwriting credits are dolled out. There's no way he was an instrumental factor in the formation of that song.
So basically they got a huge name to play guitar and threw him a songwriting credit.
He's there for his name, and people have a right to think it's lame if they want to regardless of official BB policy.
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Post by Gary on Feb 13, 2015 13:10:21 GMT -5
It is not BB policy as to who gets credit and who doesn't
He does background vocals
He plays guitar
This is not unprecedented. You don't necessarily have to provide lead vocals to get label credit.
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Post by jebsib on Feb 13, 2015 13:53:36 GMT -5
LOL!! Go check the 1940s charts with all the big band leaders taking the credit and rarely the vocalists. Uber confusing
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Post by Clauss on Feb 13, 2015 14:04:50 GMT -5
This reminded me, Highway don't care by Tim McGraw ft Taylor Swift on vocals and Keith Urban in guitar
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Post by Dylan :) on Feb 13, 2015 14:36:12 GMT -5
Ariana Grande - Break Free (feat. Zedd)
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Post by jjose712 on Feb 13, 2015 17:34:37 GMT -5
It is not BB policy as to who gets credit and who doesn't He does background vocals He plays guitar This is not unprecedented. You don't necessarily have to provide lead vocals to get label credit. If you have to provide lead vocals DJ's will never be credited (with Calvin Harris exception) or Santana |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 13, 2015 17:46:51 GMT -5
U Got The Look by Prince. Even though Sheena Easton does the chorus. She was robbed of a credit!
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Feb 13, 2015 18:24:03 GMT -5
Gustavo Cerati is credited on 2 Shakira tracks and all he does is play guitar & cowrote the songs. We could go on listing examples til we have 100 pages worth of examples (anybody wanna make a thread in the Opinion forum about songs with questionable credits?), point being, there's nothing particularly unusual or unprecedented in Paul McCartney's credits on FourFiveSeconds or Only One.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 13, 2015 20:40:12 GMT -5
How/why is "FourFive Seconds" charting R&B/Hip-Hop?
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Post by funkpunkandroll on Feb 13, 2015 21:14:44 GMT -5
How/why is "FourFive Seconds" charting R&B/Hip-Hop? Ask Billboard  |
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Post by Gary on Feb 13, 2015 22:53:59 GMT -5
Rihanna and Kanye West being on the song would help answer that
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 14, 2015 10:46:40 GMT -5
Rihanna and Kanye West being on the song would help answer that So, black artists are automatically R&B/hip-hop? That seems reductive. |
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Post by Gary on Feb 14, 2015 11:05:00 GMT -5
Rihanna and Kanye West being on the song would help answer that So, black artists are automatically R&B/hip-hop? That seems reductive. No, there are black artists today who are country singers for example. How about, the music Rihanna/Kanye are known for is R&b/Hip Hop?
It is like Taylor Swift's pop songs showing up on country until this album where it was publically marketed as pop.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 11:09:29 GMT -5
And because slow ballads are considered to be under R&B typically, with some exceptions like WIWYM.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 14, 2015 15:20:53 GMT -5
So, black artists are automatically R&B/hip-hop? That seems reductive. No, there are black artists today who are country singers for example. How about, the music Rihanna/Kanye are known for is R&b/Hip Hop?
It is like Taylor Swift's pop songs showing up on country until this album where it was publically marketed as pop.
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Post by onebuffalo on Feb 14, 2015 15:28:22 GMT -5
It is not BB policy as to who gets credit and who doesn't He does background vocals He plays guitar This is not unprecedented. You don't necessarily have to provide lead vocals to get label credit. Keith Urban got credit for Highway Don't Care as sung by Tim McGraw and Taylor Swift. Urban just stood there and played guitar. |
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Post by Dylan :) on Feb 14, 2015 16:00:48 GMT -5
Rihanna and Kanye West being on the song would help answer that So, black artists are automatically R&B/hip-hop? That seems reductive. Why does everything have to be about race? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 16:54:43 GMT -5
There's no set criteria for which Rihanna singles Billboard considers R&B. If this were a follow-up single and didn't feature Kanye, I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't even qualify for the R&B/Hip-Hop chart.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 15, 2015 6:56:20 GMT -5
So, black artists are automatically R&B/hip-hop? That seems reductive. Why does everything have to be about race? Because so many people are in denial. |
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Feb 15, 2015 9:27:14 GMT -5
It's also getting a fair amount of AI from rhythmic and urban radio, which I'm sure is part of the decision making process within billboard
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 9:55:47 GMT -5
It's also getting a fair amount of AI from rhythmic and urban radio, which I'm sure is part of the decision making process within billboard Billboard essentially makes the decision immediately though. "Uptown Funk" is blowing up at Urban/Urban AC right now and is nowhere to be found on the Hip-Hop/R&B chart, because Billboard decided when it was first released that it's not Hip-Hop/R&B. A misclassification in my opinion, but I don't make those decisions. Mark and Bruno's radio history probably influenced that decision more than the song itself. I think the same thing happened with "FourFiveSeconds". |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 15, 2015 10:03:16 GMT -5
How/why is "FourFive Seconds" charting R&B/Hip-Hop? Charting at Urban (R&B/Hip-Hop) radio: Urban: (43) 29 RIHANNA/KANYE WEST/P MCCARTNEY FourFiveSeconds 665 413 252 3.472 +23 Spins -15 Bullet +0.106 AI |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 10:07:42 GMT -5
How/why is "FourFive Seconds" charting R&B/Hip-Hop? Charting at Urban (R&B/Hip-Hop) radio: Urban: (43) 29 RIHANNA/KANYE WEST/P MCCARTNEY FourFiveSeconds 665 413 252 3.472 +23 Spins -15 Bullet +0.106 AI So is "Jealous" by Nick Jonas. So did "Royals" (which went to #1 at Urban), "Mirrors," "Dark Horse," and quite a few others. None of them were eligible for the chart. It's not an objective decision. |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 15, 2015 10:37:25 GMT -5
^Well, it's Billboard. We expect this weird stuff to happen. Their chart gurus must think it's R&B.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 15, 2015 11:27:42 GMT -5
I missed another discussion about song credits? Oh boo
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Post by surfy on Feb 15, 2015 13:19:19 GMT -5
I feel like once a song is charting on a genre, it should make the chart. Regardless of previous chart history.
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Post by jebsib on Feb 15, 2015 18:57:51 GMT -5
I agree, but it would mean odd chart occurrences ion the genre charts.
Something like "Uptown Funk!" would debut at #1 on the "Hot R&B / Hip Hop Songs" chart once it is deemed 'r&b-enough'. (i.e.: played on Urban stations)
Or something like "Latch" would peak low on R&B/HHS, because it would only materialize on the r&b chart months after it peaked on the Hot 100.
A real mess.
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Post by surfy on Feb 16, 2015 0:15:52 GMT -5
I agree, but it would mean odd chart occurrences ion the genre charts. So the usual? |
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