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Post by tekkenguy on Jun 28, 2015 15:14:00 GMT -5
I heard the Wiz-less version of "See You Again" on an AC station earlier- being that no AC stations are likely playing the version with him in it, why is he credited on that chart? I guess the same reason Snoop Dogg's "California Gurls" credit wasn't removed. Wiz is still the lead artist; it's not "Charlie Puth ft. Wiz Khalifa", after all. |
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Post by tekkenguy on Jun 28, 2015 15:16:35 GMT -5
I heard the Wiz-less version of "See You Again" on an AC station earlier- being that no AC stations are likely playing the version with him in it, why is he credited on that chart? I guess the same reason Snoop Dogg's "California Gurls" credit wasn't removed. So it's just the chorus and the bridge? You know, they're putting the song on the new Kidz Bop. This is probably the version they're going to use. |
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Post by surfy on Jun 28, 2015 15:16:46 GMT -5
I heard the Wiz-less version of "See You Again" on an AC station earlier- being that no AC stations are likely playing the version with him in it, why is he credited on that chart? I guess the same reason Snoop Dogg's "California Gurls" credit wasn't removed. So it's just the chorus and the bridge? No there is a Charlie only version of the full song before the final product that Wiz is on. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 15:40:51 GMT -5
Whats with that huge increase of Where Are You Now? and Holy shit, why is Good For You increasing by that much...
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Post by imbondz on Jun 28, 2015 16:16:07 GMT -5
Can't believe Maroon 5 TSGH stalled so low and so quickly.
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Post by crystalphnx on Jun 28, 2015 16:25:04 GMT -5
I really don't get Fight Song's appeal. It's just so bland and boring. It's a hit because of its message, not its sound or interest in the artist. I really disagree. Personally, I think the song is catchy/has a good melody....but also, if it was just about the message, wouldn't Kelly Clarkson's "Invincible" be doing just as well right now? If not better, since Kelly's an established artist. |
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Post by tekkenguy on Jun 28, 2015 16:54:30 GMT -5
It's a hit because of its message, not its sound or interest in the artist. I really disagree. Personally, I think the song is catchy/has a good melody....but also, if it was just about the message, wouldn't Kelly Clarkson's "Invincible" be doing just as well right now? If not better, since Kelly's an established artist. Even if it is catchy, it doesn't change the fact that it's not what's selling the song. If it was, I'm sure there'd be a lot more people talking about Rachel herself rather than just the song. Look at Bette Midler's "From A Distance" back in 1990: Even if it's not an apples-to-apples comparison considering she was much more established than Rachel is, as far as its selling point goes Bette took a back seat to the message about the Gulf War. Not only did it become her only big hit not tied to a movie soundtrack, but it was her last hit ever. |
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Post by Libra on Jun 28, 2015 18:43:36 GMT -5
SYA's reign has gone by so fast, doesn't feel like it has been ten weeks. I think Bad Blood has a shot for another week or two and then Cheerleader/Fight Song/Good For You/something else will replace it. Surprised it has already fallen to #8 on iTunes That's down to #8 on iTunes? With what streaming she could get also well down, I think her chances to regain #1 have run out. Though, it doesn't help that BB hasn't stated what SYA's margin ahead actually has been over the past few weeks...  |
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Post by ry4n on Jun 28, 2015 19:04:39 GMT -5
To be fair, if you combine the album version of Bad Blood, it's #2.
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Post by 85la on Jun 28, 2015 20:30:39 GMT -5
Mediabase and Kworb measure airplay; the numbers you see in this thread are it's AI Yeah, I know. What I meant was that last week Worth it was #25 on Mediabase and #20 on Billboard's Radio chart. Why such a big difference? Sorry if this has been said already (don't want to read through the whole thread lol), but I think the main reason is simply that Billboard doesn't have as many radio stations in their panel. The way the audience #s are measured are very similar, if not the same. |
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Post by Kris on Jun 28, 2015 23:38:44 GMT -5
Wasn't Ke$ha's disastrous drops attributed to the Sandy Hook shootings? And that Mariah drop... I can't explain that. Was that a radio deal on its 8th day? That song was actually not half bad. Yup, which sucks for the songs longevity but at least it helped people not think about the event. |
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Post by Ravi on Jun 29, 2015 3:39:03 GMT -5
SYA's reign has gone by so fast, doesn't feel like it has been ten weeks. I think Bad Blood has a shot for another week or two and then Cheerleader/Fight Song/Good For You/something else will replace it. Surprised it has already fallen to #8 on iTunes That's down to #8 on iTunes? With what streaming she could get also well down, I think her chances to regain #1 have run out. Though, it doesn't help that BB hasn't stated what SYA's margin ahead actually has been over the past few weeks... Last week, SYA had a significant lead over BB. Last week points: 1. SYA - 45K 2. BB - 39.3K 4. CL - 30.7K SYA should drop around 8-10% in points this week, so BB will need to increase to reach #1. I think it will stay relatively flat and may remain stuck at #2. But on the other hand, Cheerleader is also catching up fast and will be over 35k this week and close to 40k next week. Both SYA and BB will be under 40k next week, so Cheerleader has a very good chance of winning next week. So this week's prediction: 1. SYA - 41K 2. BB - 39K 3. CL - 36K and next week: 1. CL - 40K 2/3 BB - 37K 2/3 SYA - 37K |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Jun 29, 2015 7:12:35 GMT -5
What makes you think Billboard's formulas aren't objective? To whom would they be biased toward or against? They aren't biased towards any specific artist or genre. However, they aren't objective in the Billboard determines the weighing (adjust the three main components in any fashion and you have a different chart). So for example, the original formula when digital tracks were introduced to the chart was roughly 2:1 - it wasn't based on anything but Billboard's determination; then when tracks took off - they cut it in half, etc. Throughout chart history, Billboard has made 'rules' that aren't always logical or consistent: not allowing 12" singles to chart or that the Passenger's LHG Budweiser commercial didn't count, but 30-second HS did, "Dope's" bizarre streaming that landed it in the Top 10, the ban on old songs that 'weren't being actively re-serviced" until Whitney passed, the years of inconsistency regarding Xmas songs (prior to the "Whitney" rule), the list goes on and on. Billboard is subjective when it comes to the charts. |
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Post by felipe on Jun 29, 2015 7:14:49 GMT -5
I really disagree. Personally, I think the song is catchy/has a good melody....but also, if it was just about the message, wouldn't Kelly Clarkson's "Invincible" be doing just as well right now? If not better, since Kelly's an established artist. Even if it is catchy, it doesn't change the fact that it's not what's selling the song. If it was, I'm sure there'd be a lot more people talking about Rachel herself rather than just the song. Look at Bette Midler's "From A Distance" back in 1990: Even if it's not an apples-to-apples comparison considering she was much more established than Rachel is, as far as its selling point goes Bette took a back seat to the message about the Gulf War. Not only did it become her only big hit not tied to a movie soundtrack, but it was her last hit ever. On a side note, how do these songs by "nobodies" begin getting noticed? It's definitely not through radio, so is it like Twitter or something? How do people begin getting aware of Fight Song or Cheerleader, considering the acts don't already have a fan base who will be looking for them? |
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Post by Kworb on Jun 29, 2015 7:19:58 GMT -5
Sales estimates 1. Cheerleader 181,000 2. Good For You 176,000 3. Bad Blood 152,000 4. Fight Song 138,000 5. Can't Feel My Face 116,000 6. Honey, I'm Good. 103,000 7. Watch Me 98,000 8. See You Again 98,000 9. Shut Up And Dance 94,000 10. Lean On 85,000 11. Trap Queen 79,000 12. Worth It 76,000 13. Where Are Ü Now 71,000 14. Hey Mama 70,000 15. Girl Crush 70,000 16. All Eyes On You 69,000 17. This Summer's Gonna Hurt Like A Mother****er 68,000 18. The Hills 62,000 19. Kick The Dust Up 62,000 20. Want To Want Me 59,000 kworb.net/cc |
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Post by ry4n on Jun 29, 2015 7:20:47 GMT -5
I think the buzz for Fight Song started after it was used in Pretty Little Liars episode.
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Post by crystalphnx on Jun 29, 2015 9:06:10 GMT -5
They aren't biased towards any specific artist or genre. However, they aren't objective in the Billboard determines the weighing (adjust the three main components in any fashion and you have a different chart). So for example, the original formula when digital tracks were introduced to the chart was roughly 2:1 - it wasn't based on anything but Billboard's determination; then when tracks took off - they cut it in half, etc. Throughout chart history, Billboard has made 'rules' that aren't always logical or consistent: not allowing 12" singles to chart or that the Passenger's LHG Budweiser commercial didn't count, but 30-second HS did, "Dope's" bizarre streaming that landed it in the Top 10, the ban on old songs that 'weren't being actively re-serviced" until Whitney passed, the years of inconsistency regarding Xmas songs (prior to the "Whitney" rule), the list goes on and on. Billboard is subjective when it comes to the charts. I hear what you're saying about the weighing of different components, but re: YouTube videos, I don't think Billboard is just arbitrarily deciding what counts and what doesn't. They only receive the data for certain videos based on licensing. If they simply don't get the numbers/views from YouTube, they obviously can't include that in their charts. Just like if a certain store/outlet doesn't report sales data to SoundScan, that obviously can't be factored into the charts (I believe that used to be the case with Wal*Mart, pre-Eagles VS Britney.) RAISING THE 'DEAD' QUESTIONHi Gary, I was intrigued by William Gruger's analysis about Soko's one-week appearance on the Hot 100, at No. 9, with "We Might Be Dead By Tomorrow." While I absolutely agree that the chart should reflect the popularity of a song, no matter how briefly, there's another aspect of Soko's chart placement that has me confused. A few weeks ago, when millions of people went online to watch the Budweiser/Super Bowl commercial featuring Passenger's "Let Her Go," those streams were deemed ineligible for the chart. However, the "First Kiss" video that features Soko's song is also an ad, for the Wren clothing label, but its streams did aid its Hot 100 fortunes. So, why did streams for the Budweiser ad not help "Let Her Go," while streams for the Wren ad did help "… Tomorrow"? From the outside looking in, this seems pretty arbitrary. What prompted the decision? Thanks for any insight you can provide! Mark Blankenship New York, New York Hi Mark, Soko set a Hot 100 record by falling off the chart from the highest rank (No. 9) ever, besting three songs that had departed from No. 11. In Sunday's "Ask Billboard," we recounted how it disappeared: essentially, since almost all its chart points were from streaming, "Tomorrow" didn't have enough points to score a second week on the Hot 100 once its U.S. streaming total plummeted by 86 percent to 1.6 million streams, according to Nielsen BDS. That sum followed its breakout week of 11.5 million. On Streaming Songs, the song sunk 1-42. Your question, of course, centers more on how popular viral ads featuring songs affect our charts. I forwarded your email to William to further expound on Soko's chart action. While I try to watch the Budweiser "Puppy Love" ad, below, without getting emotional (still), here's his response. It's a little tech-driven, but I think helpful: "Hi Mark. Thanks for your question.
Billboard is only able to include YouTube views in chart calculations for songs that are properly registered by the video clip content owner, claimed by a licensed representative of the song being used in the clip, or identified by YouTube's content ID system. This also includes user-generated videos utilizing official song audio.
Due to superseding licensing agreements between the video clip content owner and song owner, or the song owner and YouTube, views of certain clips that feature song audio might not be counted.
In regards to the two songs you mention, the licensing agreements most likely differed, leading to data from only one of the titles making its way from YouTube to Billboard.For more about YouTube's content ID system, please feel free to check here." |
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Post by Gary on Jun 29, 2015 9:57:01 GMT -5
I would say, Billboard charts are not biased. I think they react to changes in the marketplace to determine their rules. I think they consult with their industry clients on what is needed for the industry.
Prior rules regarding 12 inch singles, Christmas songs and recurrent rules were not dictated by Billboard, they were dictated by the industry and implemented by Billboard.
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Post by divasummer on Jun 29, 2015 10:00:25 GMT -5
I think the buzz for Fight Song started after it was used in Pretty Little Liars episode. It had already taken off with sales some but I also believe a cancer survivor used it for a viral video she mage that received Millions of views. I saw a piece about her "Good Morning America" and within a few days I noticed it was num.1 on ITunes. |
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Post by Daniel Collins on Jun 29, 2015 10:10:41 GMT -5
2015/06/29
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1. WIZ KHALIFA - See You Again f/Charlie Puth: 199.840 (-0.362***)
2. TAYLOR SWIFT - Bad Blood: 178.762 (+1.402)
3. WALK THE MOON - Shut Up And Dance: 175.506 (+1.218***)
4. JASON DERULO - Want To Want Me: 145.116 (-1.555)
5. DAVID GUETTA - Hey Mama f/Nicki Minaj: 121.735 (+0.918)
6. ANDY GRAMMER - Honey, I'm Good: 105.128 (+0.052) ▲
7. TOVE LO - Talking Body: 104.039 (-1.212) ▼
8. THE WEEKND - Earned It: 102.192 (-1.900)
9. OMI - Cheerleader: 95.359 (+1.852) ▲
10. MARK RONSON - Uptown Funk f/Bruno Mars: 94.655 (-0.642) ▼
11. MAROON 5 - Sugar: 87.567 (-0.522)
12. THE WEEKND - Can't Feel My Face: 85.580 (+4.253) ▲
13. DJ SNAKE & ALUNAGEORGE - You Know You Like It: 84.364 (-1.959) ▼
14. ELLIE GOULDING - Love Me Like You Do: 78.160 (-0.227)
15. TAYLOR SWIFT - Style: 73.876 (-0.214)
16. OMARION - Post To Be f/Chris Brown&Jhene: 72.809 (-0.918)
17. FIFTH HARMONY - Worth It f/Kid Ink: 70.783 (+1.247) ▲
18. MAROON 5 - This Summer's Gonna Hurt...: 70.252 (-0.577) ▼
19. BLAKE SHELTON - Sangria: 69.456 (+0.402)
20. ED SHEERAN - Thinking Out Loud: 67.830 (+0.111)
21. FETTY WAP - Trap Queen: 66.723 (-0.983)
22. CARRIE UNDERWOOD - Little Toy Guns: 66.696 (-0.381)
23. SKRILLEX & DIPLO - Where Are U Now f/J. Bieber: 64.961 (+1.350***) ▲
24. TIM MCGRAW - Diamond Rings And Old...: 64.590 (+0.576) ▼
25. MAJOR LAZER - Lean On f/MØ & DJ Snake: 61.785 (+0.949)
26. RACHEL PLATTEN - Fight Song: 61.532 (+2.191) ▲
27. EASTON CORBIN - Baby Be My Love Song: 60.271 (+0.017)
28. JASON ALDEAN - Tonight Looks Good On You: 59.693 (+0.401) ▲
29. KELSEA BALLERINI - Love Me Like You Mean It: 59.043 (-1.425) ▼
30. RIHANNA - Bitch Better Have My Money: 56.232 (+1.487***) ▲
31. GEORGE EZRA - Budapest: 55.834 (-0.749) ▼
32. LITTLE BIG TOWN - Girl Crush: 54.386 (+0.471)
33. CANAAN SMITH - Love You Like That: 53.737 (+0.608) ▲
34. NATALIE LA ROSE - Somebody f/Jeremih: 51.066 (-2.476***) ▼
35. SIA - Elastic Heart f/The Weeknd...: 49.748 (+0.206)
36. ED SHEERAN - Photograph: 48.081 (+0.903)
37. TREY SONGZ - Slow Motion: 46.944 (+0.036)
38. JIDENNA - Classic Man: 46.016 (+0.486***) ▲
39. NICKI MINAJ - The Night Is Still Young: 45.432 (-0.518) ▼
40. SAM HUNT - Take Your Time: 44.966 (+0.372) ▲
41. BRANTLEY GILBERT - One Hell Of An Amen: 44.895 (+0.054) ▼
42. BRAD PAISLEY - Crushin' It: 43.034 (+0.194) ▲
43. MICHAEL RAY - Kiss You In The Morning: 43.020 (+0.140)
44. TAYLOR SWIFT - Blank Space: 42.574 (-1.120) ▼
45. LUKE BRYAN - Kick The Dust Up: 41.930 (+0.002)
46. ZAC BROWN BAND - Loving You Easy: 41.175 (+0.828)
47. PITBULL - Fun f/Chris Brown: 40.476 (+0.585***)
48. FRANKIE BALLARD - Young & Crazy: 40.431 (+0.587)
49. KID INK - Be Real f/Dej Loaf: 36.173 (-0.540)
50. SELENA GOMEZ - Good For You f/A$AP Rocky: 35.799 (+4.835) ▲
51. RICH HOMIE QUAN - Flex: 35.607 (+0.308)
52. DUSTIN LYNCH - Hell Of A Night: 35.063 (+0.784)
53. SILENTO - Watch Me: 34.863 (+0.992)
54. ECHOSMITH - Bright: 34.515 (-1.150) ▼
55. J. COLE - Wet Dreamz: 32.472 (-0.350) ▼
56. BILLY CURRINGTON - Don't It: 31.964 (-0.482) ▼
57. FALL OUT BOY - Uma Thurman: 31.885 (+0.845) ▲
58. FLORIDA-GEORGIA LINE - Sippin' On Fire: 31.173 (-1.008) ▼
59. WALE - The Matrimony f/Usher: 31.133 (+0.049) ▼
60. FETTY WAP - My Way f/Monty: 29.278 (+0.696) ▲
61. KENNY CHESNEY - Wild Child w/Grace Potter: 28.741 (-2.994) ▼
62. ERIC CHURCH - Like A Wrecking Ball: 28.634 (+0.435) ▲
63. THOMAS RHETT - Crash And Burn: 27.924 (+0.422) ▲
64. SAM HUNT - House Party: 27.864 (+0.544) ▲
65. KELLY CLARKSON - Heartbeat Song: 27.808 (-0.283) ▼
66. ZAC BROWN BAND - Homegrown: 27.646 (+0.074) ▼
67. A THOUSAND HORSES - Smoke: 27.585 (-1.165) ▼
68. PITBULL - Time Of Our Lives f/Ne-Yo: 27.213 (-0.343) ▼
69. MEGHAN TRAINOR - Lips Are Movin: 26.254 (-0.168)
70. SAM SMITH - Stay With Me: 26.241 (+0.389)
71. BRETT ELDREDGE - Lose My Mind: 26.040 (+0.806)
72. SAM SMITH - I'm Not The Only One: 25.364 (+0.249)
73. TAYLOR SWIFT - Shake It Off: 23.930 (+0.050)
74. BIG SEAN - Blessings f/Drake: 23.447 (-0.249) ▲
75. JOHN LEGEND - All Of Me: 23.439 (+0.168) ▲
84 . DJ KHALED F/C. BROWN/BIG SEAN - How Many Times f/Lil Wayne : 20.663 (+ 0.544 )
94 . JAKE OWEN - Real Life : 18.427 (+ 0.798 )
97 . LADY ANTEBELLUM - Long Stretch Of Love : 17.872 (+ 0.592 )
114 . DAN + SHAY - Nothin' Like You : 15.555 (+ 0.574 )
125 . COLE SWINDELL - Let Me See Ya Girl : 14.433 (+ 0.589 )
134 . TIM MCGRAW - Shotgun Rider : 13.059 (+ 0.559 )
178 . NATALIE LA ROSE - Around The World f/Fetty Wap : 9.806 (+ 0.514 )
198 . TORI KELLY - Should've Been Us : 8.894 (+ 0.58 )
232 . CHARLIE PUTH - Marvin Gaye f/Meghan Trainor : 7.754 (+ 0.574 )
236 . JANET JACKSON - No Sleeep : 7.601 (+ 0.562 )
302 . PRINCE ROYCE - Back It Up : 5.392 (+ 0.56 ***)
357 . DISTURBED - The Vengeful One : 4.057 (+ 0.577 )
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Post by skizzo on Jun 29, 2015 10:42:06 GMT -5
CHR Top40/Pop Retros
2009
01 03 3Oh!3 - Don't Trust Me
02 01 Black Eyed Peas - Boom Boom Pow
03 07 Lady GaGa - Love Game
04 02 Beyonce - Halo
05 04 Pitbull - I Know You Want Me
06 09 Katy Perry - Waking Up In Vegas
07 05 Shinedown - Second Chance
08 10 Pink - Please Don't Leave Me
09 08 Kelly Clarkson - I Do Not Hook Up
10 06 Miley Cyrus - The Climb
1999 (SPOTLIGHT)
01 01 Ricky Martin - Livin' La Vida Loca
02 02 Backstreet Boys - I Want It That Way
03 07 Smash Mouth - All Star
04 04 Britney Spears - Sometimes
05 08 Will Smith f/Dru Hill - Wild Wild West
06 03 TLC - No Scrubs
07 09 Jennifer Lopez - If You Had My Love
08 06 Shania Twain - That Don't Impress Me Much
09 05 Sixpence None The Richer - Kiss Me
10 13 Madonna - Beautiful Stranger
11 10 Blessid Union Of Souls - Hey Leonardo
12 16 Sarah McLachlan - I Will Remember You
13 11 Everlast - What It's Like
14 12 Sugar Ray - Every Morning
15 19 Christina Aguilera - Genie In A Bottle
16 15 Brandy - Almost Doesn't Count
17 14 98 Degrees - The Hardest Thing
18 20 Fastball - Out Of My Head
19 NE Citizen King - Better Days
20 NE Tal Bachman - She's So High
1992
01 01 Mariah Carey - I'll Be There
02 03 Luther Vandross f/Janet Jackson - The Best Things In Life Are Free
03 02 Celine Dion - If You Asked Me To
04 05 Jon Secada - Just Another Day
05 07 Cover Girls - Wishing On A Star
06 06 Color Me Badd - Slow Motion
07 09 Tom Cochrane - Life Is A Highway
08 13 George Michael - Too Funky
09 04 Genesis - Hold On My Heart
10 12 Vanessa Williams - Just For Tonight
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Post by badrobot on Jun 29, 2015 10:46:29 GMT -5
Bummed how quickly Tove Lo and AlunaGeorge went from steady gains to steady drops -- they just turned around suddenly.
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Post by Dylan :) on Jun 29, 2015 11:13:40 GMT -5
2. Meek Mill - All Eyes On You (feat. Chris Brown & Nicki Minaj) 0.9180
Anything special behind this?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 29, 2015 11:15:49 GMT -5
^Dylan- it was performed on the BET Awards.
Gary- there were 12-inch singles that charted on the Hot 100 in the early to-mid 1980s, so I wonder what the exact rule was for that one, or when it occurred.
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Post by Gary on Jun 29, 2015 12:18:31 GMT -5
^Dylan- it was performed on the BET Awards. Gary- there were 12-inch singles that charted on the Hot 100 in the early to-mid 1980s, so I wonder what the exact rule was for that one, or when it occurred. Whatever it is, the common theme has always been, they are an industry magazine and not a fan magazine. They don't even sneeze unless they consult the industry first about what charts go into their magazine. That would make it a little hard to say the charts are biased and subjective. So in other words, there is no Billboard clerk sitting in a backroom somewhere manipulating numbers to get one artist or another to number one. What has happened many times before is the reverse. Labels have figured out flaws in the formula and have manipulated release/marketing strategies to maximze chart performance. This practice has obviously prompted rule changes to adjust for changing market behavior over time. |
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Post by dajross6 on Jun 29, 2015 12:29:12 GMT -5
^^Exactly this. As much as we love to the follow the charts, it's not meant to be created as a service to fans. Billboard has always been a magazine to capture the current state of the entertainment industry (not just music as it used to track movie sales, etc.), and is meant to be just a reporting mechanism. There is no chance there's opinion that goes into the charts themselves. Billboard wants the industry to know what the current trends are, and likewise the industry wants to know what's popular.
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Post by House Lannister on Jun 29, 2015 12:45:37 GMT -5
Even if it is catchy, it doesn't change the fact that it's not what's selling the song. If it was, I'm sure there'd be a lot more people talking about Rachel herself rather than just the song. Look at Bette Midler's "From A Distance" back in 1990: Even if it's not an apples-to-apples comparison considering she was much more established than Rachel is, as far as its selling point goes Bette took a back seat to the message about the Gulf War. Not only did it become her only big hit not tied to a movie soundtrack, but it was her last hit ever. On a side note, how do these songs by "nobodies" begin getting noticed? It's definitely not through radio, so is it like Twitter or something? How do people begin getting aware of Fight Song or Cheerleader, considering the acts don't already have a fan base who will be looking for them? There have been some videos that have used Fight Song such as the kid's hospitals and clinics of Minnesota and various people who are sick and/or going through rehab. They can be found on Youtube. Plus, there was that video that shows her performing that song with Taylor Swift so that probably helped as well. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 29, 2015 12:59:31 GMT -5
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Post by tekkenguy on Jun 29, 2015 13:11:24 GMT -5
Even if it is catchy, it doesn't change the fact that it's not what's selling the song. If it was, I'm sure there'd be a lot more people talking about Rachel herself rather than just the song. Look at Bette Midler's "From A Distance" back in 1990: Even if it's not an apples-to-apples comparison considering she was much more established than Rachel is, as far as its selling point goes Bette took a back seat to the message about the Gulf War. Not only did it become her only big hit not tied to a movie soundtrack, but it was her last hit ever. On a side note, how do these songs by "nobodies" begin getting noticed? It's definitely not through radio, so is it like Twitter or something? How do people begin getting aware of Fight Song or Cheerleader, considering the acts don't already have a fan base who will be looking for them? Strong word of mouth, a TV/movie sync, radio/industry support, touring, there's so many ways for artists to break out. I mean every artist is a nobody at one point. To be specific: -Rachel became popular due to support from Taylor and people connecting to "Fight Song"'s message. Taylor could do to her what Justin Bieber did to Carly Rae a few years ago. -OMI's song was a big European hit that most Americans discovered through YouTube or Spotify. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 13:25:29 GMT -5
The fact that Carly got that #1 right away with his help yet he still hasn't gotten one  Too funny |
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