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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 16:14:22 GMT -5
ToddintheShadows is one of the worst music critics on YouTube. I'd go as far as to say he's as bad as the contemporary Nostalgia Critic. (And I'm not just saying that because they both were part of Channel Awesome.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 21:52:25 GMT -5
I've hesitated saying this for a while, but I feel like I'm confident in saying it now: Drake sucks. Of all the hits he's had in the past twelve years, there has not been a single one that was better than a 7/10, while he's made more of my worst lists than I can count. He's not inconsistent or mediocre, he's just a bad artist.
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Post by ilikemilk on Nov 30, 2021 12:24:46 GMT -5
I have yet to like anything from Megan The Stallion.
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Post by spiritboy on Nov 30, 2021 18:59:04 GMT -5
I've hesitated saying this for a while, but I feel like I'm confident in saying it now: Drake sucks. Of all the hits he's had in the past twelve years, there has not been a single one that was better than a 7/10, while he's made more of my worst lists than I can count. He's not inconsistent or mediocre, he's just a bad artist. I agree, he's the most boring and overrated artist ever.
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Post by Private Dancer on Nov 30, 2021 20:09:36 GMT -5
I've hesitated saying this for a while, but I feel like I'm confident in saying it now: Drake sucks. Of all the hits he's had in the past twelve years, there has not been a single one that was better than a 7/10, while he's made more of my worst lists than I can count. He's not inconsistent or mediocre, he's just a bad artist. I agree, he's the most boring and overrated artist ever. I'll be the third to agree
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Nov 30, 2021 22:46:01 GMT -5
Feel like it's not that unpopular to say Drake sucks lmao
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Dec 1, 2021 7:12:10 GMT -5
All I Want for Christmas Is You is starting to turn out to be one of my least favorite songs of all time. Dramatic overplay and over hype especially when it comes to Christmas. Mariah is way better than this. True. I don't hate it and it's a really well made song but the overhype is getting tiresome. Maybe because Mariah has started centering her entire career around it? Which is smart, but still. When it first became a meme, i kind of like how much she leaned into it. But its the point now where its overshadowing her legacy, which is sad IMO.
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Post by Glove Slap on Dec 1, 2021 13:30:58 GMT -5
All I Want for Christmas Is You is starting to turn out to be one of my least favorite songs of all time. Dramatic overplay and over hype especially when it comes to Christmas. Mariah is way better than this. True. I don't hate it and it's a really well made song but the overhype is getting tiresome. Maybe because Mariah has started centering her entire career around it? Which is smart, but still. I accepted that in the long run it would overshadow the rest of Mariah's career long ago, but the way she has started to lean in into recently has actually made my interest in paying attention to her plummet hard. I loved the Caution album, might actually place it in my top 5 of her albums these days, and will listen to its proper followup whenever it comes out. But I have no interest in her getting wheeled out every Holiday season for the same purpose, especially when she has shown that she can still compose high quality new (read: non-Xmas) music.
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Post by mkarns on Dec 1, 2021 22:37:44 GMT -5
Regarding Mariah, there are worse things to be known as than the "Queen of Christmas". Still, focusing too much on that as some of you are saying might not be helpful from an overall career perspective.
That would be as if in an earlier time Nat "King" Cole became mostly known just as the "Chestnuts roasting on an open fire..." guy, or Bing Crosby or Perry Como going into hibernation only to reemerge once a year to sing "White Christmas", "It's Beginning To Look a Lot Like Christmas", etc., in which case their pop legacies would be a lot smaller than they are.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Dec 2, 2021 7:55:04 GMT -5
Lamb from day one here and I agree. Don't get me wrong, I love seeing her have success. But the fact is, she doesn't even need to promote this song and it's going to #1. She pushes this Christmas stuff so hard, I wish she'd put that much drive into new material. Also, the fact that I dislike everything about Christmas and Christmas music, it's all kind of lost on me.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Dec 2, 2021 11:18:23 GMT -5
The problem is that she is at a point in her career where no matter how hard she pushes new material, unless there's a Cher Believe moment for her, she's never going to have a mainstream hit again. That's just how the industry is. So by going balls to the wall about being the Queen of Christmas to try to be perceived as relevant, she's really doing a disserve to her legacy as an artist. To me, its like Madonna's return to an overly sexual image - yes its going to get you press today, but at what cost?
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Post by ilikemilk on Dec 2, 2021 12:25:19 GMT -5
Rap music keeps getting worse and worse instead of for the better.
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Post by Private Dancer on Dec 2, 2021 13:00:13 GMT -5
Rap music keeps getting worse and worse instead of for the better. Thats not a unpopular opinion because many feel that way and I'm going to agree with you on that one
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Post by ilikemilk on Dec 2, 2021 13:01:14 GMT -5
Rap music keeps getting worse and worse instead of for the better. Thats not a unpopular opinion because many feel that way and I'm going to agree with you on that one I don't know if this one is unpopular here, but I think that rap music was the best in the 2000s. Most of them was actually memorable and fun, that you could even jam to in parties, you can't say too much about that right now. There were still some awful ones in 2000s too (like there can be awful and good each year of each genre for the most part) but I think in 2000s, the good of rap outweighed the bad.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 2, 2021 13:04:40 GMT -5
lmao, y'all really don't listen to much rap jfc
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Post by Private Dancer on Dec 2, 2021 13:07:06 GMT -5
Thats not a unpopular opinion because many feel that way and I'm going to agree with you on that one I don't know if this one is unpopular here, but I think that rap music was the best in the 2000s. Most of them was actually memorable and fun, that you could even jam to in parties, you can't say too much about that right now. There were still some awful ones in 2000s too (like there can be awful and good each year of each genre for the most part) but I think in 2000s, the good of rap outweighed the bad. I think rap was best in the 80s and 90s when you could understand what they were saying and when the songs had socially conscious messages for the people and when rappers had great bars and flows. 2000s rap is ok but some of it is corny but yet memorable. Thats my unpopular opinion.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 2, 2021 13:14:26 GMT -5
I don't know if this one is unpopular here, but I think that rap music was the best in the 2000s. Most of them was actually memorable and fun, that you could even jam to in parties, you can't say too much about that right now. There were still some awful ones in 2000s too (like there can be awful and good each year of each genre for the most part) but I think in 2000s, the good of rap outweighed the bad. I think rap was best in the 80s and 90s when you could understand what they were saying and when the songs had socially conscious messages for the people and when rappers had great bars and flows. I completely agree: 80s and 90s rap was truly innovative and spoke powerful messages Truly, and nothing like today's hip-hop. Rap? More like CRAP
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Post by ilikemilk on Dec 2, 2021 13:16:55 GMT -5
You compared some of the worst from the 80s/90s to some of the best from the 2010s.... Bad comparing. Every decade has horrible and great ones.
Also, Back That Azz Up isn't even that bad, it's a guilty pleasure. I also get why Ice Ice Baby is a bad song, but I honestly do not mind it.
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Post by Private Dancer on Dec 2, 2021 13:21:47 GMT -5
I think rap was best in the 80s and 90s when you could understand what they were saying and when the songs had socially conscious messages for the people and when rappers had great bars and flows. I completely agree: 80s and 90s rap was truly innovative and spoke powerful messages Truly, and nothing like today's hip-hop. Rap? More like CRAP Look, I was not talking to you nor did i offend anyone. Everytime I say something on these threads you gotta come and quote me and try to argue me down. Like forbear, leave me alone I don't bother you nor was I speaking to you. And obviously I was not referring to those songs. I was referring to songs like Self Destriction, Keep Ya Head Up, Me Myself and I etc... Let me state my opinions without being harshly critics by you. If you see something that you say that you do not like scroll on by and stop quoting me every damn time. Don't take out your anger and aggressions on me. To conclude: leave me the hell alone it's a fucking opinion!
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 2, 2021 13:21:54 GMT -5
You compared some of the worst from the 80s/90s to some of the best from the 2010s.... Bad comparing. Every decade has horrible and great ones. Also, Back That Azz Up isn't even that bad, it's a guilty pleasure. I also get why Ice Ice Baby is a bad song, but I honestly do not mind it. I'm doing so because it's fucking stupid to say "one decade was more socially conscious" than the other. You are right, every decade has horrible and great rap. There are no differences at all.
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Post by Private Dancer on Dec 2, 2021 13:30:54 GMT -5
I did not say one decade was more socially conscious than the other. YOU took it that way! I said I thing it was best WHEN it was in the 80s and 90s when it the songs had a socially conscious message. Referring to the song sonly in the 80s and the 90s. I wasn't saying anything about the newer rap music. He said he thought rap from the 2000s was better and I disagreed and gave my opinion and you took it an ran. I gave my reason as to why my OPINION about why 80s and 90s rap is the best to me. I never said anything about rap not being socially conscious today!!!! It was a disagreement of why he felt 2000s rap was the best and why I felt 80s and 90s rap was the best! No where did I say anything of the sort of rap not havinf a social message. I made sure I avoided that because I know that there is!!!! Read to understand not to find your chance to argue me down and to take out your anger on me. Reading and understanding is so damn fundamental!
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Post by Glove Slap on Dec 2, 2021 13:58:19 GMT -5
lmao, y'all really don't listen to much rap jfc LMAO right? Don't even get me started on the 'when you could understand them' thing. To be fair, I did not enjoy a good amount of mainstream hip-hop in the 00s. And I very very vividly recall thinking that 80s and 90s rap was better at the time. But there are some incredible rap/hip-hop albums to come out of the 00s that I love, they were just not mainstream usually and I sometimes discovered them after the fact. And a number were mainstream and big. I mean, my favorite artist of the 21st century is without a doubt Kanye West, so yeah there is a lot of 00s rap/hip-hop that I have come to love despite not being a fan of most of its mainstream side.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Dec 2, 2021 14:39:18 GMT -5
I've always seen a lot of trash talked about female singers that have bleat-ish vocals (Stevie Nicks, Belinda Carlisle, Cher, Miley Cyrus, etc.) I live for that sh*t. I think they sound interesting/different and can be incredibly evocative given the right material.
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Post by Groovy on Dec 2, 2021 15:11:56 GMT -5
If we’re being honest, 80s rap hasn’t aged well at all.
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Post by Private Dancer on Dec 2, 2021 15:36:52 GMT -5
It aged well in the urban community. Still played at cookouts and even sampled even too this day. It all depends on personal preference.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2021 15:54:08 GMT -5
The charts aren't 'depressing' or 'angsty' nowadays. Some of y'all just don't like music that isn't cheerful and bubbly.
I mean, let's go through the top fourty of the YE Hot 100:
Levitating - happy tone, happy lyrics Save Your Tears - happy tone, mixed lyrics Blinding Lights - happy tone, happy lyrics Mood - happy tone (unless you're one of those people who thinks all emo rap is inherently edgy), mixed lyrics Good 4 U - mixed tone (it's angry, but energetic, not depressing or downbeat), mixed lyrics (sure, it's a bitter breakup song, but ultimately it has the happy message of Olivia moving on from her ex and being happier without him instead of moping about it) Kiss Me More - happy tone, happy lyrics Leave the Door Open - happy tone, happy lyrics Drivers License - sad tone, sad lyrics Montero - happy tone, happy lyrics Peaches - happy tone, happy lyrics Butter - happy tone, happy lyrics Stay - happy tone (again, unless you inherently write off all emo rap as 'edgy'), mixed lyrics Deja Vu - sad tone, sad lyrics Positions - happy tone, happy lyrics Bad Habits - happy tone, mixed lyrics Heat Waves - happy tone, happy lyrics Without You - sad tone, sad lyrics Forever After All - mixed tone (depends on if you consider country ballads inherently emotional and 'sad' or not), happy lyrics Go Crazy - happy tone, happy lyrics Astronaut in the Ocean - happy tone, happy lyrics 34 + 35 - happy tone, happy lyrics What You Know Bout Love - happy tone, happy lyrics My Ex's Best Friend - mixed tone, mixed lyrics Industry Baby - happy tone, happy lyrics Therefore I Am - sad tone, mixed lyrics Up - happy tone, happy lyrics Fancy Like - happy tone, happy lyrics Dakiti - mixed tone, sad lyrics Best Friend - happy tone, happy lyrics Rapstar - happy tone, happy lyrics Heartbreak Anniversary - sad tone, sad lyrics For the Night - mixed tone, happy lyrics Calling My Phone - sad tone, sad lyrics Beautiful Mistakes - happy tone, happy lyrics Holy - mixed tone, happy lyrics On Me - happy tone, mixed lyrics You Broke Me First - sad tone, sad lyrics Traitor - sad tone, sad lyrics Back In Blood - happy tone, mixed lyrics I Hope - mixed tone, sad lyrics
That's 8/40 songs with a sad tone and 9/40 songs with sad lyrics. In contrast, 25/40 songs have a happy tone and 22/40 have happy lyrics. If the charts truly were 'depressing' like people make them out to be, happy songs wouldn't make up a majority of the YE top fourty, nor would overtly sad songs make up less than a quarter.
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Post by Willow Rinadoobee Breakfast on Dec 2, 2021 15:58:16 GMT -5
Oh lord the rap argument.
Look, rap has always had the same pros and cons decade after decade. I will admit, mainstream rap is so damn boring nowadays that I do prefer what was before. But then again, before also had the same damn problems, with Vanilla Ice, Master P and so much ringtone rap existing. Like nearly every problem that people have in rap now was in the 2000s, and as much as I like the decade, that’s still what I see.
But that’s the thing, it’s what’s on the charts, not rap altogether. You want to find good rap? Look outside the charts.
On another note, I still think “you can’t understand them” is a weak argument I think is used by those who barely give any modern rap a chance and just immediately judge.
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Post by Ezekiel 23:20–21 on Dec 2, 2021 19:30:43 GMT -5
I've always seen a lot of trash talked about female singers that have bleat-ish vocals (Stevie Nicks, Belinda Carlisle, Cher, Miley Cyrus, etc.) I live for that sh*t. I think they sound interesting/different and can be incredibly evocative given the right material. I like the distinct tones of their voices. It’s something different.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 3, 2021 0:30:27 GMT -5
Travis Barker is not a good pop punk producer
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 3, 2021 1:57:16 GMT -5
The charts aren't 'depressing' or 'angsty' nowadays. Some of y'all just don't like music that isn't cheerful and bubbly. I mean, let's go through the top fourty of the YE Hot 100: Levitating - happy tone, happy lyrics Save Your Tears - happy tone, mixed lyrics Blinding Lights - happy tone, happy lyrics Mood - happy tone (unless you're one of those people who thinks all emo rap is inherently edgy), mixed lyrics Good 4 U - mixed tone (it's angry, but energetic, not depressing or downbeat), mixed lyrics (sure, it's a bitter breakup song, but ultimately it has the happy message of Olivia moving on from her ex and being happier without him instead of moping about it) Kiss Me More - happy tone, happy lyrics Leave the Door Open - happy tone, happy lyrics Drivers License - sad tone, sad lyrics Montero - happy tone, happy lyrics Peaches - happy tone, happy lyrics Butter - happy tone, happy lyrics Stay - happy tone (again, unless you inherently write off all emo rap as 'edgy'), mixed lyrics Deja Vu - sad tone, sad lyrics Positions - happy tone, happy lyrics Bad Habits - happy tone, mixed lyrics Heat Waves - happy tone, happy lyrics Without You - sad tone, sad lyrics Forever After All - mixed tone (depends on if you consider country ballads inherently emotional and 'sad' or not), happy lyrics Go Crazy - happy tone, happy lyrics Astronaut in the Ocean - happy tone, happy lyrics 34 + 35 - happy tone, happy lyrics What You Know Bout Love - happy tone, happy lyrics My Ex's Best Friend - mixed tone, mixed lyrics Industry Baby - happy tone, happy lyrics Therefore I Am - sad tone, mixed lyrics Up - happy tone, happy lyrics Fancy Like - happy tone, happy lyrics Dakiti - mixed tone, sad lyrics Best Friend - happy tone, happy lyrics Rapstar - happy tone, happy lyrics Heartbreak Anniversary - sad tone, sad lyrics For the Night - mixed tone, happy lyrics Calling My Phone - sad tone, sad lyrics Beautiful Mistakes - happy tone, happy lyrics Holy - mixed tone, happy lyrics On Me - happy tone, mixed lyrics You Broke Me First - sad tone, sad lyrics Traitor - sad tone, sad lyrics Back In Blood - happy tone, mixed lyrics I Hope - mixed tone, sad lyrics That's 8/40 songs with a sad tone and 9/40 songs with sad lyrics. In contrast, 25/40 songs have a happy tone and 22/40 have happy lyrics. If the charts truly were 'depressing' like people make them out to be, happy songs wouldn't make up a majority of the YE top fourty, nor would overtly sad songs make up less than a quarter. I don't have the time or energy to do a deep dive into this post but there are a few instances that are jumping out that have me saying 'literally what.'. The most glaring being, this take on 'Good 4 U' seems to be missing how overwhelming sarcastic Olivia is being when she's using those words. There is nothing genuinely happy or positive about that song. Pure, undiluted sodium.
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