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Post by Groovy on Dec 3, 2021 12:52:45 GMT -5
Travis Barker is not a good pop punk producer It gets kinda tiring that he's had a hand in a lot of the pop punk songs recently.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 3, 2021 13:07:17 GMT -5
Travis Barker is not a good pop punk producer It gets kinda tiring that he's had a hand in a lot of the pop punk songs recently. Having listened to most of what he's put out this year, he's had exactly one good/great song that he produced and that was transparentsoul. There were other pop punk songs this year - even ones mainstream adjacent that were better pop punk that what he's given and proves you dont need Travis Barker to be pop punk
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Post by SabrinaFan on Dec 3, 2021 16:03:56 GMT -5
The charts aren't 'depressing' or 'angsty' nowadays. Some of y'all just don't like music that isn't cheerful and bubbly. I mean, let's go through the top fourty of the YE Hot 100: Levitating - happy tone, happy lyrics Save Your Tears - happy tone, mixed lyrics Blinding Lights - happy tone, happy lyrics Mood - happy tone (unless you're one of those people who thinks all emo rap is inherently edgy), mixed lyrics Good 4 U - mixed tone (it's angry, but energetic, not depressing or downbeat), mixed lyrics (sure, it's a bitter breakup song, but ultimately it has the happy message of Olivia moving on from her ex and being happier without him instead of moping about it) Kiss Me More - happy tone, happy lyrics Leave the Door Open - happy tone, happy lyrics Drivers License - sad tone, sad lyrics Montero - happy tone, happy lyrics Peaches - happy tone, happy lyrics Butter - happy tone, happy lyrics Stay - happy tone (again, unless you inherently write off all emo rap as 'edgy'), mixed lyrics Deja Vu - sad tone, sad lyrics Positions - happy tone, happy lyrics Bad Habits - happy tone, mixed lyrics Heat Waves - happy tone, happy lyrics Without You - sad tone, sad lyrics Forever After All - mixed tone (depends on if you consider country ballads inherently emotional and 'sad' or not), happy lyrics Go Crazy - happy tone, happy lyrics Astronaut in the Ocean - happy tone, happy lyrics 34 + 35 - happy tone, happy lyrics What You Know Bout Love - happy tone, happy lyrics My Ex's Best Friend - mixed tone, mixed lyrics Industry Baby - happy tone, happy lyrics Therefore I Am - sad tone, mixed lyrics Up - happy tone, happy lyrics Fancy Like - happy tone, happy lyrics Dakiti - mixed tone, sad lyrics Best Friend - happy tone, happy lyrics Rapstar - happy tone, happy lyrics Heartbreak Anniversary - sad tone, sad lyrics For the Night - mixed tone, happy lyrics Calling My Phone - sad tone, sad lyrics Beautiful Mistakes - happy tone, happy lyrics Holy - mixed tone, happy lyrics On Me - happy tone, mixed lyrics You Broke Me First - sad tone, sad lyrics Traitor - sad tone, sad lyrics Back In Blood - happy tone, mixed lyrics I Hope - mixed tone, sad lyrics That's 8/40 songs with a sad tone and 9/40 songs with sad lyrics. In contrast, 25/40 songs have a happy tone and 22/40 have happy lyrics. If the charts truly were 'depressing' like people make them out to be, happy songs wouldn't make up a majority of the YE top fourty, nor would overtly sad songs make up less than a quarter. I don't have the time or energy to do a deep dive into this post but there are a few instances that are jumping out that have me saying 'literally what.'. The most glaring being, this take on 'Good 4 U' seems to be missing how overwhelming sarcastic Olivia is being when she's using those words. There is nothing genuinely happy or positive about that song. Pure, undiluted sodium. Couldn't agree more. Music is far more subjective and three-dimensional than just "happy vs. sad," and a song with a happy tone to one person might be sad to another, perhaps due to personally relating to the song in different ways. Using the "Good 4 U" example, one person could interpret it as sad because the song makes them think about a bitter breakup they experienced, while another person could feel empowered listening to it because the song makes them think about how they successfully got over an ex. The vocal delivery and how fast/slow of a tempo that a song has are also big factors in people's consideration of a song's tone. I personally tend to think songs with slower tempos are more sad, whereas there are songs with sad lyrics but upbeat production that I don't find to be very sad.
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Post by ilikemilk on Dec 9, 2021 15:12:07 GMT -5
This is more on Pulse but I feel like if you are an artist that has more hits, you are more loved and praised instead of if you are a 1 hit wonder or a no namer getting a random hit. Sometimes I feel like the 1 hit wonder or no namer have better songs than some artists praised a lot on Pulse, Ariana Grande, Taylor Swift, Billie Eilish, Beyonce, as a few examples.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Dec 9, 2021 16:18:15 GMT -5
This is more on Pulse but I feel like if you are an artist that has more hits, you are more loved and praised instead of if you are a 1 hit wonder or a no namer getting a random hit. Sometimes I feel like the 1 hit wonder or no namer have better songs than some artists praised a lot on Pulse, Ariana Grande, Taylor Swift, Billie Eilish, Beyonce, as a few examples. I mean, it’s kind of by definition that the more popular you are, the more fans you have. I’m sure every Mariah or Madonna or Drake fan also has a list of lesser-known artists they love as well. For me, I’m a Gaga fan (among other well-known ones) but have dozens of lesser-known acts whose music I love as much as or more than Gaga’s, but because they’re not as known, I don’t really talk about them as much here because I don’t really have a reason to.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 23:45:40 GMT -5
DJ Earworm's 2009 mashup is overrated. I consider it middling when it comes to ranking his mashups. In my opinion, 2013's and 2016's were the best, with 2015 as a close third.
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Post by Joe1240 on Dec 9, 2021 23:57:33 GMT -5
Elvis Presley is very overrated,He doesn't write any of his own songs and most of what he is famous for is covers.Also he doesn't any memorable albums that many people can name.I would say The Beatles have had more influence on music today than him.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Dec 10, 2021 0:16:45 GMT -5
Elvis is a hack
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Post by 312999 on Dec 10, 2021 0:24:18 GMT -5
Don't Start Now seems to be the Dua Lipa song loved the most. I think it's alright but it's not in the top 10 for me when it comes to Dua songs.
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Post by Caution on Dec 10, 2021 8:20:17 GMT -5
I love Britney but she can't handle her own life
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Post by Private Dancer on Dec 11, 2021 1:14:18 GMT -5
Dionne Warwick is a better singer than Aretha and has better range and her version of I Say A Little Prayer is better than Aretha's.
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Post by Groovy on Dec 13, 2021 11:19:30 GMT -5
This might apply more to the Hot 100 threads but, chart peaks doesn't always mean one song is more popular than another.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Dec 13, 2021 11:29:46 GMT -5
This might apply more to the Hot 100 threads but, chart peaks doesn't always mean one song is more popular than another. To add on to this, I have thought a few times how a song that is, for example, #16, could be as known and as familiar as a #1 song - but the difference might be that #1 is more frequent. It’s probably less likely on the Hot 100, due to fragmented audiences and such, but for radio formats. A song could be known by everyone who listens to the format but it doesn’t get played as much as songs higher on the chart. We often assume that #1 on radio is the most played/most heard, which is true, but that isn’t to say the song at #16 or #7 isn’t also known and heard by everyone too. I guess this is relevant for me because we often hear arguments about some songs being more known than others because of where they peaked and it’s not necessarily always the case.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Dec 13, 2021 12:38:08 GMT -5
I love Britney but she can't handle her own life This is not an opinion, it's a unpopular fact.
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Post by mkarns on Dec 13, 2021 16:08:48 GMT -5
This might apply more to the Hot 100 threads but, chart peaks doesn't always mean one song is more popular than another. To add on to this, I have thought a few times how a song that is, for example, #16, could be as known and as familiar as a #1 song - but the difference might be that #1 is more frequent. It’s probably less likely on the Hot 100, due to fragmented audiences and such, but for radio formats. A song could be known by everyone who listens to the format but it doesn’t get played as much as songs higher on the chart. We often assume that #1 on radio is the most played/most heard, which is true, but that isn’t to say the song at #16 or #7 isn’t also known and heard by everyone too. I guess this is relevant for me because we often hear arguments about some songs being more known than others because of where they peaked and it’s not necessarily always the case. "In the moment" the songs ranked higher on the chart are usually more popular. But that of course doesn't always prove so with time--even fairly shortly after their chart runs, often songs that originally peaked lower on the Hot 100, CHR, or wherever end up more widely known, replayed, or remembered than those that were numerically bigger hits initially.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Dec 13, 2021 16:37:20 GMT -5
To add on to this, I have thought a few times how a song that is, for example, #16, could be as known and as familiar as a #1 song - but the difference might be that #1 is more frequent. It’s probably less likely on the Hot 100, due to fragmented audiences and such, but for radio formats. A song could be known by everyone who listens to the format but it doesn’t get played as much as songs higher on the chart. We often assume that #1 on radio is the most played/most heard, which is true, but that isn’t to say the song at #16 or #7 isn’t also known and heard by everyone too. I guess this is relevant for me because we often hear arguments about some songs being more known than others because of where they peaked and it’s not necessarily always the case. "In the moment" the songs ranked higher on the chart are usually more popular. But that of course doesn't always prove so with time--even fairly shortly after their chart runs, often songs that originally peaked lower on the Hot 100, CHR, or wherever end up more widely known, replayed, or remembered than those that were numerically bigger hits initially. Oh I meant specifically in the moment, but also generally speaking. Using other examples, let’s say McDonalds has been consistently the most popular fast food chain every week for years based on sales and “people served”. That doesn’t mean the entire populace isn’t also aware of Burger King and Wendys. They just frequent McDonald’s more. Similarly with charts, #8 could be known by as many people as #1, it’s just that #1 is heard more frequently. I don’t mean this is absolute fact or anything like that. I think it’s more or less another consideration when it comes to charts.
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Post by B-Boy on Dec 17, 2021 9:59:07 GMT -5
The Left Eye version to “No Scrubs” would’ve sounded out of place on Fanmail. At least in place of the album version. LaFace could’ve used it as the closing track like they later did with her version to “U Know What’s Up”.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Dec 20, 2021 8:15:58 GMT -5
The Billboard 200 should be abolished and Billboard should push it's Top Artists (or whatever they call that charter) to replace it. Sales are trash and replacing sales as a 1-for-1 with SEA/TEA is also flawed and allows for gaming the chart. They should just do away with album metrics altogether.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 17:32:41 GMT -5
Inspired by the discussion of what the first new 2022 #1 will be on the 1/1 chart thread:
I prefer Super Gremlin over abcdefu. Both are bad imho, but at least the former has a nice beat and chorus.
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Post by Groovy on Dec 20, 2021 22:55:10 GMT -5
Inspired by the discussion of what the first new 2022 #1 will be on the 1/1 chart thread: I prefer Super Gremlin over abcdefu. Both are bad imho, but at least the former has a nice beat and chorus. ABCDEFU is a Hot Girl Bummer ripoff and the lyrics are hilariously corny especially in the chorus. I see the appeal but I don't think it's good either.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Dec 21, 2021 8:12:28 GMT -5
Inspired by the discussion of what the first new 2022 #1 will be on the 1/1 chart thread: I prefer Super Gremlin over abcdefu. Both are bad imho, but at least the former has a nice beat and chorus. ABCDEFU is a Hot Girl Bummer ripoff and the lyrics are hilariously corny especially in the chorus. I see the appeal but I don't think it's good either. It was a TikTok joke that got out of hand. Can't really expect Ave Maria to come from a 17 year old in her bathroom in 15 minutes.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 21, 2021 8:36:49 GMT -5
Most 90s ballads have not aged well
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Post by leonagwen on Dec 21, 2021 15:55:07 GMT -5
Most 90s ballads have not aged well Whitney Houston- I Will Always Love You says hello.
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Post by Groovy on Dec 21, 2021 19:34:14 GMT -5
Monsters without Demi Lovato > with
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Dec 21, 2021 19:35:57 GMT -5
Most 90s ballads have not aged well Whitney Houston- I Will Always Love You says hello. the key word is "most", not all.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 21, 2021 19:50:19 GMT -5
Most 90s ballads have not aged well Whitney Houston- I Will Always Love You says hello. I said most and I like the Dolly Parton original is better anyways
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Post by leoapp on Dec 21, 2021 20:44:30 GMT -5
Britney's Hold It Against Me is one of the most underrated Hot 100 no.1s ever. It did fell off the chart so quick and ended up being one of her most forgotten hits, despite a huge initial hype. (sad).
But till today, imo, it's one of her strongest songs and the dubsteps thing was so good. The music video could've been better though. I do prefer it compared to the bigger hits from that era, TTWE and IWG. I even consider it better than her 2 other 00s Hot 100 no. 1s, Womanizer and 3.
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Dec 22, 2021 21:04:36 GMT -5
Most 90s ballads have not aged well Litcherally my least favorite era in pop music since the 70's. 1986 - 96 or so was filled with boring, cheesy ballads
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Post by Private Dancer on Dec 23, 2021 19:59:44 GMT -5
Madonna's version of Santa Baby is the best version and should be a Christmas classic
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Post by colson on Dec 29, 2021 22:15:23 GMT -5
I prefer George Benson's version of "Greatest of Love of All" over Whitney's cover. Both have different approaches. Whitney's version is great but theatrical. George's version is more emotional and heart touching for me.
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