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Post by Gary on Dec 9, 2015 15:30:47 GMT -5
All of the longest running Hot 100 songs would have capped out at 52 weeks except Radioactive which would have ran 67 weeks.
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Post by Gary on Dec 9, 2015 15:32:53 GMT -5
I can't believe you guys that you just stick to the words like "52 weeks". I mean, you're generalizing it. Let me ask you this: Is "52 weeks" the same thing in 2015 as in 1998? Isn't it that the average longevity of a song changes by year? Nowadays a song's endurance after falling out of top 10 is WAY BETTER than a song 17 years ago, and it's not bad to remove songs out of top 25 after a year. It's like: now you have those damn high streaming, if you wanna stay, better not fall out top 25! If you wanna break the record, then spend 80 some weeks in top 25! Why not? Is 52 weeks in 2015 the same as 1998? Absolutely not. "52 weeks" could very easily be 100 weeks if it is not capped at 52, today. In 1998 52 weeks = 52 weeks.
Average longevity on the chart has actually grown over time but now that they are capping it, that will change.
80 weeks in the top 25 has never happened before.
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Post by THINKIN BOUT YOU on Dec 9, 2015 15:39:01 GMT -5
Is 52 weeks in 2015 the same as 1998? Absolutely not. "52 weeks" could very easily be 100 weeks if it is not capped at 52, today. In 1998 52 weeks = 52 weeks.
Average longevity on the chart has actually grown over time but now that they are capping it, that will change.
80 weeks in the top 25 has never happened before.
My point
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Post by badrobot on Dec 9, 2015 22:23:43 GMT -5
All of the longest running Hot 100 songs would have capped out at 52 weeks except Radioactive which would have ran 67 weeks. And Uptown Funk.
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Post by Gary on Dec 9, 2015 22:41:21 GMT -5
All of the longest running Hot 100 songs would have capped out at 52 weeks except Radioactive which would have ran 67 weeks. And Uptown Funk. Which is not one of the longest running. I was looking at the really long ones, like in the 68 week range and higher. Looks like Counting Stars would have made it to 53 as well. Sail, How Do I Live, I'm Yours and Party Rock would have been bumped at 52
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Post by badrobot on Dec 9, 2015 22:51:51 GMT -5
Which is not one of the longest running. I was looking at the really long ones, like in the 68 week range and higher. Looks like Counting Stars would have made it to 53 as well. Sail, How Do I Live, I'm Yours and Party Rock would have been bumped at 52
Ah ok I thought you were saying what the list for longest running would be if it applied to previous songs. Makes Radioactive's run look even crazier.
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Post by House Lannister on Dec 10, 2015 0:56:16 GMT -5
It kind of reminds me of Lorde when she first came out with Royals. That's the exact comparison I was thinking of, though between the two songs, I prefer Here a good deal more. Royals is still a great track, but I feel like it suffers one key weakness: despite the gutsy and clever subject and writing, I don't think the instrumentation was exactly up to snuff, which made it especially tiring once it took over the radio. Here on the other hand has a much more complex set of instrumentations, with the hazy intro, the plinking piano throughout, the punchy guitar that highlights the exasperation, and the airy feel of the whole composition that complements the subject matter at hand. Speaking of, that's the other advantage: there have been socially conscious performers who've taken stabs at the mainstream culture and rooting for the disenfranchised, but I can't really think of a mainstream hit that focused on the ideas of introversion, how an introvert's lifestyle can still be normal and affected by peer pressure, and reaction to hedonism in such a way as Here does. It feels especially fresh to me right now, though I must admit as a moderately anti-social person it may be a bit of bias in that it really resonates with me and my family (who, while not anti-social are more anti-hedonism). I don't know about Royals being a weak instrumented song being a disadvantage. I think it kinda works more as a strength in that it highlights Lorde's voice and places a spotlight on the lyrics. It's almost a capella in a way. Bad Robot, I found out about it using a sample from Isaac Hayes's rap. It does give the song a darker, more ominous feel than the lyrics would have indicated. But I'll agree that the song feels as fresh to me now as it did when I heard it for the first time. And it does feel like it's a different, fresh voice that's coming out to the surface.
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Post by House Lannister on Dec 10, 2015 1:00:12 GMT -5
Sorry to interrupt, but FYI Uptown Funk ended up the 9th biggest song of all-time: 1. THE TWIST 27,150 2. SMOOTH 22,300 3. MACK THE KNIFE 21,150 4. HOW DO I LIVE 20,000 5. PARTY ROCK ANTHEM 19,850 6. I GOTTA FEELING 19,850 7. MACARENA (BAYSIDE BOYS MIX) 19,800 8. PHYSICAL 19,550 9. UPTOWN FUNK 19,500 10. YOU LIGHT UP MY LIFE 19,450 How did "How Do I Live" manage to stay on the chart so long? It didn't really do much at country radio, so it wasn't one of those instances where a song has a chart run based on country play, and then extends its chart run when it crossed over. Did Top 40 radio play it that much for over a year?!?! It also helped that it was attached to the blockbuster Con Air back when songs from soundtracks were more popular.
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Post by THINKIN BOUT YOU on Dec 10, 2015 1:42:40 GMT -5
Who can explain that In The Night's video has so little views when it's so riveting? I mean, seriously, only 1 million per day?
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Post by popbox on Dec 10, 2015 7:19:27 GMT -5
Who can explain that In The Night's video has so little views when it's so riveting? I mean, seriously, only 1 million per day? Love the song but that vid is a hot ass seizure inducing mess.
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Post by velaxti on Dec 10, 2015 9:03:07 GMT -5
Who can explain that In The Night's video has so little views when it's so riveting? I mean, seriously, only 1 million per day? I don't know, but didn't Can't Feel My Face's video not do that well in the beginning too (whilst the audio was doing well )? Glad the video is out, I hope In The Night can go top 10. Unfortunately #1 is virtually impossible for the song though. :(
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Dec 10, 2015 10:38:43 GMT -5
How did "How Do I Live" manage to stay on the chart so long? It didn't really do much at country radio, so it wasn't one of those instances where a song has a chart run based on country play, and then extends its chart run when it crossed over. Did Top 40 radio play it that much for over a year?!?! It also helped that it was attached to the blockbuster Con Air back when songs from soundtracks were more popular. No it wasn't - it was originally recorded for the ST, but Touchstone (Disney) believed it was too 'pop' and she was too young (14), so secretly they had Trisha Yearwood record it for the film. Rimes version was rejected by country radio and serviced to pop. In fact the video had been filmed and it's very obvious where scenes from the film were supposed to go. Yearwood's version was in the film. Perhaps, that had a little 'halo' effect from moviegoers who couldn't tell the difference when they went in record stores (blonde country singer), but that didn't make for the huge chart run. What DID help keep it on the chart was that the single was continually restocked (remember this was era of single deletion or limited copies to enable H100 eligibility), but HDIL was always in stores and, hence, why it sold nearly 4 MM copies.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 10, 2015 12:11:55 GMT -5
It also helped that it was attached to the blockbuster Con Air back when songs from soundtracks were more popular. No it wasn't - it was originally recorded for the ST, but Touchstone (Disney) believed it was too 'pop' and she was too young (14), so secretly they had Trisha Yearwood record it for the film. Rimes version was rejected by country radio and serviced to pop. In fact the video had been filmed and it's very obvious where scenes from the film were supposed to go. Yearwood's version was in the film. Perhaps, that had a little 'halo' effect from moviegoers who couldn't tell the difference when they went in record stores (blonde country singer), but that didn't make for the huge chart run. What DID help keep it on the chart was that the single was continually restocked (remember this was era of single deletion or limited copies to enable H100 eligibility), but HDIL was always in stores and, hence, why it sold nearly 4 MM copies. Yeah, I wasn't thinking about it being available commercially when more and more songs were either not available or were only available in limited quantities.
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Post by lyhom on Dec 10, 2015 15:15:39 GMT -5
wasn't trisha's version a limited release, too? apparently they only made a certain amount of copies and then when those ran out they chose to not re-stock them, so it ended falling off of the charts pretty quickly
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Post by imbondz on Dec 10, 2015 15:26:46 GMT -5
My recollection of How Do I Live lasting so long isn't very scientific but was because it was just a great song. It seemed to get overplayed, then somehow get a 2nd wind, more overplayed then a 3rd wind...and stuck around for a long while on radio.
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Post by slw84 on Dec 10, 2015 17:00:05 GMT -5
It seems like Bieber will close the gap an overtake Hello in airplay right before xmas and the xmas boost.
He needs to do some promo or release a real video to sorry as an xmas gift to his fans. 2nd #1 seems likely.
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Post by badrobot on Dec 10, 2015 17:21:42 GMT -5
It seems like Bieber will close the gap an overtake Hello in airplay right before xmas and the xmas boost. He needs to do some promo or release a real video to sorry as an xmas gift to his fans. 2nd #1 seems likely. I haven't seen any radio updates posted recently, what are the latest numbers? Last one they still had like a 60-70m gap that I saw.
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Post by kanimal on Dec 10, 2015 17:26:44 GMT -5
It seems like Bieber will close the gap an overtake Hello in airplay right before xmas and the xmas boost. He needs to do some promo or release a real video to sorry as an xmas gift to his fans. 2nd #1 seems likely. He's performing Sorry on the 12/15 The Voice finale, but Adele has the NBC special (leading out of The Voice) on 12/14. So that won't help him close the gap. Christmas definitely seems to be the move. It's a Friday, so releasing a video that day would give you a full chart week. He's likely to receive a boost from iTunes gift card redemptions, as those tend to skew toward young/mainstream acts. And the radio gap will presumably have at least shrunk by then. At the same time, they're probably going to want to pull the trigger on Love Yourself sooner rather than later. You don't want to wait until Adele releases the When We Were Young video/decides to put her new single on Spotify and risk getting blocked a second time. And so I wonder if releasing a Sorry video on 12/25 would take some bite out of a Love Yourself video in early/mid January.
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Post by carreramd on Dec 10, 2015 19:45:07 GMT -5
I don't know because I'm from Brazil, but could someone tell me what TV show has more popularity to help the artists who perform their singles? Ellen? Jimmy Fallon? Jimmy Kimmel?
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Post by kanimal on Dec 10, 2015 20:02:40 GMT -5
I don't know because I'm from Brazil, but could someone tell me what TV show has more popularity to help the artists who perform their singles? Ellen? Jimmy Fallon? Jimmy Kimmel? While Fallon and Ellen are comparable in terms of viewership, Ellen appearances seem capable of bigger sales boosts. Likely attributable to the fact that it's a daytime talk show (daytime audiences seem to respond better to this kind of promo) and the fact that she has more brand affinity. In many cases, when someone performs on Ellen, it's as if they're receiving her stamp of approval. There are exceptions to the rule. If an artist gets an interview or exposure in a comedy sketch on Fallon, that can amplify the impact on sales. But if I had to pick one, I'd probably go on Ellen. Kimmel is the weakest of the three. Least popular and least likely to result in a sales uptick.
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Post by carreramd on Dec 10, 2015 20:11:34 GMT -5
I don't know because I'm from Brazil, but could someone tell me what TV show has more popularity to help the artists who perform their singles? Ellen? Jimmy Fallon? Jimmy Kimmel? While Fallon and Ellen are comparable in terms of viewership, Ellen appearances seem capable of bigger sales boosts. Likely attributable to the fact that it's a daytime talk show (daytime audiences seem to respond better to this kind of promo) and the fact that she has more brand affinity. In many cases, when someone performs on Ellen, it's as if they're receiving her stamp of approval. There are exceptions to the rule. If an artist gets an interview or exposure in a comedy sketch on Fallon, that can amplify the impact on sales. But if I had to pick one, I'd probably go on Ellen. Kimmel is the weakest of the three. Least popular and least likely to result in a sales uptick. Thank you. And what about SNL, Late Late, Good Morning America, Alan Carr, The View, David Letterman, Graham Norton Show...? Do Ellen and Fallon still more popular?
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Post by ry4n on Dec 10, 2015 20:31:23 GMT -5
Alan Carr and Graham Norton are British shows
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Post by THINKIN BOUT YOU on Dec 10, 2015 20:33:56 GMT -5
When can Justin Bieber finally be irrelevant? His new album only got around 60% of metacritics rating and What Do You Mean sounds second-handed and Sorry's drop beat got recycled kind of feel and his EDM just doesn't really get anywhere really fine or artistic. His lyrics are like See You Again kind of low level. But I never do something like trolling, right?
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Post by aser94 on Dec 10, 2015 21:47:02 GMT -5
While Fallon and Ellen are comparable in terms of viewership, Ellen appearances seem capable of bigger sales boosts. Likely attributable to the fact that it's a daytime talk show (daytime audiences seem to respond better to this kind of promo) and the fact that she has more brand affinity. In many cases, when someone performs on Ellen, it's as if they're receiving her stamp of approval. There are exceptions to the rule. If an artist gets an interview or exposure in a comedy sketch on Fallon, that can amplify the impact on sales. But if I had to pick one, I'd probably go on Ellen. Kimmel is the weakest of the three. Least popular and least likely to result in a sales uptick. Thank you. And what about SNL, Late Late, Good Morning America, Alan Carr, The View, David Letterman, Graham Norton Show...? Do Ellen and Fallon still more popular? SNL is probably the most coveted promo slot on US TV tbh, especially if you're trying to break out. Sam Smith's first SNL appearance sparked his stateside success, for example. Morning shows like GMA and Today can provide good boosts as well, depending on the artist, but I think most late night shows have limited impact, like kanimal said.
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Post by carreramd on Dec 10, 2015 21:50:55 GMT -5
Like 6 or 7 years ago, Oprah was the biggest, right?
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1. ADELE - Hello: 214.306 (+0.097) 2. DRAKE - Hotline Bling: 165.589 (-3.719) 3. JUSTIN BIEBER - Sorry: 154.585 (+4.439) 4. ALESSIA CARA - Here: 144.047 (+0.925) 5. SHAWN MENDES - Stitches: 132.964 (-0.549) 6. ELLE KING - Ex's and Oh's: 126.648 (-2.136***) 7. MEGHAN TRAINOR - Like I'm Gonna Lose You: 124.127 (+1.092) 8. TAYLOR SWIFT - Wildest Dreams: 114.990 (-1.440) 9. SELENA GOMEZ - Same Old Love: 113.184 (+1.802) 10. ELLIE GOULDING - On My Mind: 111.071 (+0.189)
11. THE WEEKND - The Hills: 106.795 (-2.380) 12. JUSTIN BIEBER - What Do You Mean?: 96.582 (-1.706) 13. THE WEEKND - In The Night: 76.596 (+1.581) ▲ 14. FETTY WAP - 679 f/Remy Boyz...: 73.708 (-2.388) ▼ 15. BLAKE SHELTON - Gonna: 72.018 (+0.208) 16. JASON ALDEAN - Gonna Know We Were Here: 65.051 (+0.119) ▲ 17. DAN + SHAY - Nothin' Like You: 64.960 (-3.230) ▼ 18. R. CITY - Locked Away f/Adam Levine: 62.588 (-1.212) 19. THOMAS RHETT - Die A Happy Man: 61.692 (+0.942) 20. TRAVI$ SCOTT - Antidote: 59.482 (+0.430)
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Post by Future Captain on Dec 10, 2015 22:40:43 GMT -5
When can Justin Bieber finally be irrelevant? His new album only got around 60% of metacritics rating and What Do You Mean sounds second-handed and Sorry's drop beat got recycled kind of feel and his EDM just doesn't really get anywhere really fine or artistic. His lyrics are like See You Again kind of low level. But I never do something like trolling, right? Hopefully never
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Post by wavey. on Dec 10, 2015 23:20:20 GMT -5
When can Justin Bieber finally be irrelevant? His new album only got around 60% of metacritics rating and What Do You Mean sounds second-handed and Sorry's drop beat got recycled kind of feel and his EDM just doesn't really get anywhere really fine or artistic. His lyrics are like See You Again kind of low level. But I never do something like trolling, right? Girl, what type of trolling..
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Post by kanimal on Dec 11, 2015 1:54:29 GMT -5
While Fallon and Ellen are comparable in terms of viewership, Ellen appearances seem capable of bigger sales boosts. Likely attributable to the fact that it's a daytime talk show (daytime audiences seem to respond better to this kind of promo) and the fact that she has more brand affinity. In many cases, when someone performs on Ellen, it's as if they're receiving her stamp of approval. There are exceptions to the rule. If an artist gets an interview or exposure in a comedy sketch on Fallon, that can amplify the impact on sales. But if I had to pick one, I'd probably go on Ellen. Kimmel is the weakest of the three. Least popular and least likely to result in a sales uptick. Thank you. And what about SNL, Late Late, Good Morning America, Alan Carr, The View, David Letterman, Graham Norton Show...? Do Ellen and Fallon still more popular? SNL is the most valuable -- and considered the most prestigious. It's technically a late night show, but it draws a broader audience and generates a national spotlight each week. Good Morning America and TODAY are both capable of big boosts, but it's all about the type of performance/artist. The ones who do best tend to be non-threatening and skew toward middle America and "soccer mom" type audiences. As an example, Rachel Platten's "Fight Song" completely blew up on Good Morning America after she performed it on the show. Country acts like Maddie & Tae and Kelsea Ballerini had some success after appearing on TODAY. Daya also recently benefited from a TODAY Show look. The View isn't that big, but performances can click if targeted perfectly to the show's audience (even more about the soccer mom audience than TODAY and GMA). Letterman is actually now "Late Show With Stephen Colbert," and I frankly haven't seen much in the way of boosts. It's CBS' flagship late night show and typically a bit bigger than Kimmel, but it doesn't seem as "hip" or connected to the pop culture zeitgeist. That hurts with sales boosts. The other factor here is that they seem to be going deeper -- and weirder -- with their musical guests. They're more likely to book older and/or alternative and rock-leaning artists -- aka, very talented acts but ones who don't have mainstream momentum or a hot single at the moment -- so it'd be crazy to expect a big sales surge. (As an example, recently booked/upcoming guests on Colbert include Kurt Vile, Lizzo, Sleater-Kinney, and Squeeze) Late Night With Seth Meyers and The Late Late Show With James Corden don't draw big enough audiences to drive huge sales gains. The value with those shows comes from exposure + TV experience + getting clips to share on social media the day after. Of the two, Late Night typically ranks as the bigger show, but Late Late seems to be more "fun" and marketable for guests (with stuff like carpool karaoke, etc), which is why you'll see a lot of big names go on a fairly little-watched series. Alan Carr and Graham Norton aren't US shows. I think BBC America airs episodes of Graham Norton on delay, but they wouldn't make a dent from a promo standpoint.
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Post by jerz on Dec 11, 2015 2:01:27 GMT -5
Any chances on PSY's "Daddy" (featuring CL)? Since it already debuted on Billboard Hot 100 on December 19, 2015, is that true that PSY's "Daddy" will be hit on Billboard Hot 100 Top 40 by January, February or March 2016? Or never a Top 40 hit, becomes the first non-Top 40 hit by PSY? Sales? Airplays? Streaming? Any parodies?
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