Billboard Hot 100: 03/12/2016

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

How much would Kelly have to sell in order to get to #1?

[Az Paynter]

Probably like 400k+ which isn't happening.

[KeepDeanWeird]

I'll preface this with my edit: I just went to Billboard and not only is Kelly's AI performance not on Billboard's home page (among the dozens of other articles), it is even mentioned in the Pop section at all. Bizarre.

I posted this in the Kelly PBP section:

Since Billboard is know for making rule changes on the fly aka "The Eagles" rule, the the "Whitney" rule, etc. Any chance for the "Kelly" rule aka Facebook streaming? Clearly this song has captured America with the sales of single(s) and album(s) to back it. It's too bad radio is so slow to respond. Seriously, what would CHR, AC and HAC have to lose by doing an instant add to rotation? It's clear the public is eating this up in massive way.

This reminds me of the LHG/SuperBowl ad and not counting all those streams, but the sales here are even higher. When I think about a song like "Dope" making the top 10 on through streaming (and not exactly clear how those numbers even worked), and yet PBP may have all sorts of 'points' excluded and, therefore not reflect its actual popularity, it just annoys me.

[Libra]

Feb 27, 2016 13:57:41 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

Since Billboard is know for making rule changes on the fly aka "The Eagles" rule, the the "Whitney" rule, etc. Any chance for the "Kelly" rule aka Facebook streaming?

That'd require Facebook and/or Billboard to sort through the nuances of what streams could be counted for points, not to mention other issues such as videos auto-playing. It wouldn't surprise me if either or both sides have been working on this for some time now, because this certainly isn't the first time FB has come up RE: streaming, but as far as this suddenly being the instance where it happens...I wouldn't bank on it. To be clear, it's not something I'd absolutely bank on for any given FB streaming-involved situation. If FB streaming is meant to eventually be included, then it'll happen when it happens.

Do I think it should eventually be included? Yes. When will that be likely to happen? Your guess is as good as mine.

[jenglisbe]

Feb 27, 2016 14:13:44 GMT -5 Libra said:

Feb 27, 2016 13:57:41 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

Since Billboard is know for making rule changes on the fly aka "The Eagles" rule, the the "Whitney" rule, etc. Any chance for the "Kelly" rule aka Facebook streaming?

That'd require Facebook and/or Billboard to sort through the nuances of what streams could be counted for points, not to mention other issues such as videos auto-playing. It wouldn't surprise me if either or both sides have been working on this for some time now, because this certainly isn't the first time FB has come up RE: streaming, but as far as this suddenly being the instance where it happens...I wouldn't bank on it. To be clear, it's not something I'd absolutely bank on for any given FB streaming-involved situation. If FB streaming is meant to eventually be included, then it'll happen when it happens.

Do I think it should eventually be included? Yes. When will that be likely to happen? Your guess is as good as mine.

I can see where some of those nuances are tricky, but it seems like they could easily figure out views of, say, 2 minutes or more and at least count them.

[Raccoon]

Excuse me - I'm a newbie here. But if someone watches a music video on YouTube... Do they have to watch it all the way through to count as a view/stream? Or just by clicking on the video? or are views and streams a seperate thing?

[Dylan :)]

Feb 27, 2016 14:49:26 GMT -5 Raccoon said:

Excuse me - I'm a newbie here. But if someone watches a music video on YouTube... Do they have to watch it all the way through to count as a view/stream? Or just by clicking on the video? or are views and streams a seperate thing?

I've heard 30 seconds, but of course what about 30 or 40 second videos? It depends on the video

[Zach]

Feb 27, 2016 14:54:03 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

Feb 27, 2016 14:49:26 GMT -5 Raccoon said:

Excuse me - I'm a newbie here. But if someone watches a music video on YouTube... Do they have to watch it all the way through to count as a view/stream? Or just by clicking on the video? or are views and streams a seperate thing?

I've heard 30 seconds, but of course what about 30 or 40 second videos? It depends on the video

I think the stream is counted as soon as the video is clicked on/opened. The video itself must contain at least 30 seconds of the song in question though (as well as satisfy several other seemly fluid criteria) in order to count at all. I think.

[85la]

Feb 27, 2016 13:57:41 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

I'll preface this with my edit: I just went to Billboard and not only is Kelly's AI performance not on Billboard's home page (among the dozens of other articles), it is even mentioned in the Pop section at all. Bizarre.

I posted this in the Kelly PBP section:

Since Billboard is know for making rule changes on the fly aka "The Eagles" rule, the the "Whitney" rule, etc. Any chance for the "Kelly" rule aka Facebook streaming? Clearly this song has captured America with the sales of single(s) and album(s) to back it. It's too bad radio is so slow to respond. Seriously, what would CHR, AC and HAC have to lose by doing an instant add to rotation? It's clear the public is eating this up in massive way.

This reminds me of the LHG/SuperBowl ad and not counting all those streams, but the sales here are even higher. When I think about a song like "Dope" making the top 10 on through streaming (and not exactly clear how those numbers even worked), and yet PBP may have all sorts of 'points' excluded and, therefore not reflect its actual popularity, it just annoys me.

I agree that I wouldn't be surprised and I might even support them allowing the Facebook streams to count this week for the Hot 100, but I would not expect, nor would it seem reasonable, for radio to suddenly start playing this a lot solely due to a viral video that just became popular in the last couple days. An impactful visual performance would definitely not for certain translate to a well-received radio hit that people would want to listen to time after time over many formats. There could have been something about the performance rather than the song that attracted people to it (in this case the emotion she showed and the choking up due to her personal connection with the song).

Actually, the official music video was put up a couple months ago, so it seems like this has already been a single, no?

[Juan Carlos]

Feb 27, 2016 3:08:06 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Ah ok maybe they've changed that then because she's bigger star now

Not exactly. "Never Forget You" was always intended to be a track for Zara and MNEK explained this when he was interviewed by Annie Mac on her BBC Radio 1 show when the track was premiered as the Hottest Record last year.

When both of them were writing the track, along Arron Davey (aka. Astronomyy), MNEK became more engaged into the song and he wanted to be part of it, so they made the song in a duet instead. That said, as Ryan mentioned before, the UK is the only country where the credits were reversed and it's mainly because MNEK was more well known than Zara and it meant to introduce her into the British market.

[pnobelysk]

Feb 27, 2016 18:12:51 GMT -5 85la said:

Feb 27, 2016 13:57:41 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

I'll preface this with my edit: I just went to Billboard and not only is Kelly's AI performance not on Billboard's home page (among the dozens of other articles), it is even mentioned in the Pop section at all. Bizarre.

I posted this in the Kelly PBP section:

Since Billboard is know for making rule changes on the fly aka "The Eagles" rule, the the "Whitney" rule, etc. Any chance for the "Kelly" rule aka Facebook streaming? Clearly this song has captured America with the sales of single(s) and album(s) to back it. It's too bad radio is so slow to respond. Seriously, what would CHR, AC and HAC have to lose by doing an instant add to rotation? It's clear the public is eating this up in massive way.

This reminds me of the LHG/SuperBowl ad and not counting all those streams, but the sales here are even higher. When I think about a song like "Dope" making the top 10 on through streaming (and not exactly clear how those numbers even worked), and yet PBP may have all sorts of 'points' excluded and, therefore not reflect its actual popularity, it just annoys me.

I agree that I wouldn't be surprised and I might even support them allowing the Facebook streams to count this week for the Hot 100, but I would not expect, nor would it seem reasonable, for radio to suddenly start playing this a lot solely due to a viral video that just became popular in the last couple days. An impactful visual performance would definitely not for certain translate to a well-received radio hit that people would want to listen to time after time over many formats. There could have been something about the performance rather than the song that attracted people to it (in this case the emotion she showed and the choking up due to her personal connection with the song).

Actually, the official music video was put up a couple months ago, so it seems like this has already been a single, no?

It was a hot ac single that peaked in the 30s without any promotion besides the video . Kinda just a release for her fans

[godjanny]

I wonder if Lush Life will actually end up peaking in the summer, as per the lyrics. It's been moving slowly in the bubbling under for a while, so maybe...

[forg]

I'm just happy Piece by Piece will chart, such a good song! If Kelly wasn't pregnant, they should re-record the song with just piano and vocals and re-release it but anyway this is such a pleasant surprise

[THINKIN BOUT YOU]

Feb 27, 2016 19:56:49 GMT -5 forg said:

I'm just happy Piece by Piece will chart, such a good song! If Kelly wasn't pregnant, they should the song with just piano and vocals and re-release it but anyway this is such a pleasant surprise

Ah, I see that you're saying..............What?

[THINKIN BOUT YOU]

I think Justin Bieber, Ed Sheeran, Charlie Puth, Rachel Platten and Flo Rida combined are less boring and generic than Kelly Clarkson

But I never troll, right?

[Dylan :)]

Feb 27, 2016 21:13:04 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

I think Justin Bieber, Ed Sheeran, Charlie Puth, Rachel Platten and Flo Rida combined are less boring and generic than Kelly Clarkson

[THINKIN BOUT YOU]

Feb 27, 2016 21:20:24 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

Feb 27, 2016 21:13:04 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

I think Justin Bieber, Ed Sheeran, Charlie Puth, Rachel Platten and Flo Rida combined are less boring and generic than Kelly Clarkson

Yet you said that

[Deleted]

Feb 27, 2016 19:48:37 GMT -5 godjanny said:

I wonder if Lush Life will actually end up peaking in the summer, as per the lyrics. It's been moving slowly in the bubbling under for a while, so maybe...

Wait...it made it back on the bubbling under chart now???

on the topic of summer songs, I'm surprised Cake By The Ocean wasn't released in spring time because it feels like a summer jam type of song to me. Perhaps it could've done a bit better on the charts in the summer?

[THINKIN BOUT YOU]

Feb 27, 2016 21:20:24 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

Feb 27, 2016 21:13:04 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

I think Justin Bieber, Ed Sheeran, Charlie Puth, Rachel Platten and Flo Rida combined are less boring and generic than Kelly Clarkson

People will care when they care.
Even if you say that "nobody cares", some people still do.
Welcome to real life, there's no nihilism here!

[THINKIN BOUT YOU]

Feb 27, 2016 21:25:21 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

Feb 27, 2016 19:48:37 GMT -5 godjanny said:

I wonder if Lush Life will actually end up peaking in the summer, as per the lyrics. It's been moving slowly in the bubbling under for a while, so maybe...

Wait...it made it back on the bubbling under chart now???

on the topic of summer songs, I'm surprised Cake By The Ocean wasn't released in spring time because it feels like a summer jam type of song to me. Perhaps it could've done a bit better on the charts in the summer?

Well, maybe the song is actually inspired by the life in the southern hemisphere!! You never know

[Deleted]

Feb 27, 2016 21:31:06 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

Feb 27, 2016 21:25:21 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

Wait...it made it back on the bubbling under chart now???

on the topic of summer songs, I'm surprised Cake By The Ocean wasn't released in spring time because it feels like a summer jam type of song to me. Perhaps it could've done a bit better on the charts in the summer?

Well, maybe the song is actually inspired by the life in the southern hemisphere!! You never know

True...I had forgotten that it's summer there now lol. Kinda makes me wanna go there and escape this shitty Canadian winter weather...

[Future Captain]

Feb 27, 2016 21:13:04 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

I think Justin Bieber, Ed Sheeran, Charlie Puth, Rachel Platten and Flo Rida combined are less boring and generic than Kelly Clarkson

But I never troll, right?

The last part is up for debate

[Mike is BAD]

Feb 27, 2016 21:25:21 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

Feb 27, 2016 19:48:37 GMT -5 godjanny said:

I wonder if Lush Life will actually end up peaking in the summer, as per the lyrics. It's been moving slowly in the bubbling under for a while, so maybe...

Wait...it made it back on the bubbling under chart now???

on the topic of summer songs, I'm surprised Cake By The Ocean wasn't released in spring time because it feels like a summer jam type of song to me. Perhaps it could've done a bit better on the charts in the summer?

Will LL peak at 1?

[imbondz]

I still don't get how Cake by the Ocen isn't a #1 song.

It makes no sense how Facebook, which has a billion people on it, is not counted towards the hot 100. Billboard fail.

[felipe]

Feb 28, 2016 8:14:36 GMT -5 imbondz said:

It makes no sense how Facebook, which has a billion people on it, is not counted towards the hot 100. Billboard fail.

What's Billboard's excuse?

[weaver]

Feb 27, 2016 14:13:44 GMT -5 Libra said:

Feb 27, 2016 13:57:41 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

Since Billboard is know for making rule changes on the fly aka "The Eagles" rule, the the "Whitney" rule, etc. Any chance for the "Kelly" rule aka Facebook streaming?

That'd require Facebook and/or Billboard to sort through the nuances of what streams could be counted for points, not to mention other issues such as videos auto-playing. It wouldn't surprise me if either or both sides have been working on this for some time now, because this certainly isn't the first time FB has come up RE: streaming, but as far as this suddenly being the instance where it happens...I wouldn't bank on it. To be clear, it's not something I'd absolutely bank on for any given FB streaming-involved situation. If FB streaming is meant to eventually be included, then it'll happen when it happens.

Do I think it should eventually be included? Yes. When will that be likely to happen? Your guess is as good as mine.

I saw it on my facebook feed, and it came through as a link to a youtube video, not one of those videos that autoplays with no sound until you click it. So if it's a youtube video, it should count, right?

[Enigma.]

But a song that's successful on Youtube is likely to be successful on Facebook too. Because if the song is linked on Facebook it's usually from Youtube? Is there something different in this case? I don't see why the views wouldn't be counted if the song's on Youtube?

EDIT: in this case seems that the video on Facebook is very successful but I don't really see why Facebook should be added to Hot 100 formula when very rarely a song is the thing to get the attention. Soundcloud is much more important to be added imo because it's all about music.

[ccchui]

Feb 27, 2016 19:56:49 GMT -5 forg said:

I'm just happy Piece by Piece will chart, such a good song! If Kelly wasn't pregnant, they should re-record the song with just piano and vocals and re-release it but anyway this is such a pleasant surprise

I think she is doing that now according to her Twitter feed.

[ry4n]

Top 10 flashbacks for this week


1 year ago (3/14/2015)

1 1 Uptown Funk! - Mark Ronson feat. Bruno Mars (9th week of 14)
2 2 Thinking Out Loud - Ed Sheeran
3 4 Sugar - Maroon 5
4 3 Love Me Like You Do - Ellie Goulding
5 6 FourFiveSeconds - Rihanna, Kanye West & Paul McCartney
6 5 Take Me To Church - Hozier
7 8 Style - Taylor Swift
8 7 Blank Space - Taylor Swift
9 9 Earned It (Fifty Shades Of Grey) - The Weeknd
10 11 Time Of Our Lives - Pitbull feat. Ne-Yo


5 years ago (3/12/2011)

1 1 Born This Way - Lady Gaga (3rd week of 6)
2 2 F**k/Forget You! - Cee Lo Green
3 3 Grenade - Bruno Mars
4 6 F**kin' Perfect - P!nk
5 7 S&M - Rihanna
6 5 Firework - Katy Perry
7 9 Tonight (I'm F**kin'/Lovin' You) - Enrique Iglesias feat. Ludacris & DJ Frank E
8 28 E.T. - Katy Perry feat. Kanye West
9 NE On The Floor - Jennifer Lopez feat. Pitbull
10 4 I Need A Doctor - Dr Dre feat. Eminem & Skylar Grey


10 years ago (3/11/2006)

1 2 You're Beautiful - James Blunt (1st and only week)
2 1 Check On It - Beyonce feat. Slim Thug
3 4 Temperature - Sean Paul
4 3 Grillz - Nelly feat. Paul Wall, Ali & Gipp
5 5 Be Without You - Mary J Blige
6 6 I'm N Luv (Wit A Stripper) - T-Pain feat. Mike Jones
7 7 Yo (Excuse Me Miss) - Chris Brown
8 9 Unwritten - Natasha Bedingfield
9 8 So Sick - Ne-Yo
10 16 Everytime We Touch - Cascada


15 years ago (3/10/2001)

1 1 Stutter - Joe feat. Mystikal (3rd week of 4)
2 11 Butterfly - Crazy Town
3 5 Angel - Shaggy feat. Rayvon
4 4 Again - Lenny Kravitz
5 3 Love Don't Cost A Thing - Jennifer Lopez
6 2 It Wasn't Me - Shaggy feat. RikRok
7 6 Don't Tell Me - Madonna
8 32 It's Over Now - 112
9 17 Promise - Jagged Edge
10 9 Put It On Me - Ja Rule feat. Lil Mo & Vita

[imbondz]

Feb 28, 2016 9:56:08 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

But a song that's successful on Youtube is likely to be successful on Facebook too. Because if the song is linked on Facebook it's usually from Youtube? Is there something different in this case? I don't see why the views wouldn't be counted if the song's on Youtube?

EDIT: in this case seems that the video on Facebook is very successful but I don't really see why Facebook should be added to Hot 100 formula when very rarely a song is the thing to get the attention. Soundcloud is much more important to be added imo because it's all about music.

Facebook has the most people on it in all social media. It should have counted years ago. If it's big on Facebook, even more that more people have heard it and like/hate it. 2% of the population is on Soundcloud, which I like, but not even close to the influence Facebook or Youtube has. If we're going to start opening up Websites that play music as part of Billboard's equation, it makes zero sense Facebook hasn't been included. Youtube didn't start out a music place, it started out just a place for people to post homemade videos. First video ever on Youtube - www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHfZzFi4flc

So Billboard's criteria can't be that a site has to be a music site, or lean more towards music / videos...etc.


Currently Piece By Piece has 59 million views on Facebook...more than any other song this week streaming wise. Actually, that's in less than 4 days!