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Post by badrobot on Jun 8, 2016 7:36:42 GMT -5
It's actually not that uncommon for a song to be #1 on 2 component charts but not #1 on the Hot 100. It's happened about 11 times in the past few years. "Cheerleader" had basically an identical scenario to "One Dance" where it was 2-2-2 on the component charts while "Can't Feel My Face" was #1 on sales and airplay -- but behind enough in streaming for it to not be #1 overall. It happens.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 8, 2016 8:16:10 GMT -5
If anything, I think radio is probably the least indicative of a song's popularity. I don't want to hear some of these songs over and over again, but I have to because they're played on the radio where I work, and I don't have control over the radio. If airplay's counted, it should be for very little. Streaming data shows us a lot of people do want to hear the same songs over and over and over, though. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 8, 2016 8:22:07 GMT -5
If anything, I think radio is probably the least indicative of a song's popularity. I don't want to hear some of these songs over and over again, but I have to because they're played on the radio where I work, and I don't have control over the radio. If airplay's counted, it should be for very little. Streaming data shows us a lot of people do want to hear the same songs over and over and over, though. Most people do have their own selection of songs they listen to over and over again. Even I do, though most of the time it isn't the same as what radio ends up playing for extended time periods. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 8:25:51 GMT -5
Well if airplay is so irrelevant, why do people get so I to the airplay chart on here. Why bother with it at all. I still believe sales prove a songs popularity. And yes you can listen to it as many times no matter where you're at. And it's yours. I believe in buying physical pieces of music. ThT is true artist support. People who pay for streaming are not only supporting the artists they choose to stream, but they can listen as often as they want no matter where they are. It seems likely that you're holding onto sales as a gauge for popularity for nostalgic reasons, maybe without even knowing it. Kinda like this whole thing about you disliking much of today's pop music. I say this because your reasons for "proving" what you believe are full of holes. It's ok - everyone handles change differently and transitions at their own pace. Some people hold out until they are absolutely forced to do something a new way, while others embrace change. No big deal if you choose to purchase/own your music. That's awesome and not uncommon. Trying to prove how it's superior to streaming when it comes to "proving" popularity is where you go wrong. Sales have clearly gone way down in recent years while streaming has gone way up. That's a fact. |
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Post by Gary on Jun 8, 2016 9:49:04 GMT -5
I look at streaming as very similar to airplay and not at all related to sales. You aren't buying anything beyond the right to RENT your own personal programmable radio station, difference from radio is more user control. Definitely a viable measure of popularity. Sales is of course too,
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Post by Enigma. on Jun 8, 2016 9:59:59 GMT -5
Streaming data shows us a lot of people do want to hear the same songs over and over and over, though. Most people do have their own selection of songs they listen to over and over again. Even I do, though most of the time it isn't the same as what radio ends up playing for extended time periods. Same here. I might listen to a song 70 times but that's nothing compared to 500 times a radio station might spin it. Regarding the "supporting your faves" factor: the music industry is doing better now BECAUSE of streaming, not in spite of it. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 8, 2016 10:16:01 GMT -5
Most people do have their own selection of songs they listen to over and over again. Even I do, though most of the time it isn't the same as what radio ends up playing for extended time periods. Same here. I might listen to a song 70 times but that's nothing compared to 500 times a radio station might spin it. Yeah but the same people aren't hearing a song each 500 times it's played. Different people listen at different times, and stations figure out when to play certain songs based on that. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 8, 2016 11:37:36 GMT -5
And most people don't listen to radio for extended periods of time so they won't hear the same song twice within the period they're listening.
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Post by MTSChart21 on Jun 9, 2016 18:21:01 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 20:32:30 GMT -5
Man, that maximum airplay peak is steadily creeping lower and lower for huge hits. It went from 270-300m AI for songs like Happy and All Of Me, down to 240m for Uptown Funk, then 210-215m for Hello, and now around 190m for Can't Stop The Feeling and One Dance. Did radio stations change something lately? Are they trying to avoid overplaying songs now?
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Post by badrobot on Jun 9, 2016 21:04:48 GMT -5
Man, that maximum airplay peak is steadily creeping lower and lower for huge hits. It went from 270-300m AI for songs like Happy and All Of Me, down to 240m for Uptown Funk, then 210-215m for Hello, and now around 190m for Can't Stop The Feeling and One Dance. Did radio stations change something lately? Are they trying to avoid overplaying songs now? I'd be curious if spin counts are actually lower or if it's that there are just fewer people listening to radio stations. |
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Post by MTSChart21 on Jun 9, 2016 21:11:52 GMT -5
Man, that maximum airplay peak is steadily creeping lower and lower for huge hits. It went from 270-300m AI for songs like Happy and All Of Me, down to 240m for Uptown Funk, then 210-215m for Hello, and now around 190m for Can't Stop The Feeling and One Dance. Did radio stations change something lately? Are they trying to avoid overplaying songs now? I'd be curious if spin counts are actually lower or if it's that there are just fewer people listening to radio stations. Spin counts aren't lower (at least when comparing to 2013) |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Jun 9, 2016 21:12:35 GMT -5
Help me out here. Aud is the number of times its been listened to on the radio, right? Like the number of spins multiplied by how many people were listening each time? |
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Post by MTSChart21 on Jun 9, 2016 21:13:59 GMT -5
Help me out here. Aud is the number of times its been listened to on the radio, right? Like the number of spins multiplied by how many people were listening each time? Yes, it is the number of times listened to on radio, but it isn't multiplied with spins. |
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Post by Verisimilitude on Jun 9, 2016 21:21:13 GMT -5
It's surprising to see Don't Let Me Down so high.
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Post by Caviar on Jun 9, 2016 21:31:46 GMT -5
Good to see "Dangerous Woman" cross 100 million.
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Post by forg on Jun 9, 2016 23:08:56 GMT -5
Dangerous Woman did a good job especially compared how Focus flamed out quickly but still nowhere near the success of her previous era but still it could have been worst
Let it Go is such a slow burn but good to see it still rising
Nice to see the new One Republic song rising as well
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Post by 85la on Jun 9, 2016 23:31:42 GMT -5
Man, that maximum airplay peak is steadily creeping lower and lower for huge hits. It went from 270-300m AI for songs like Happy and All Of Me, down to 240m for Uptown Funk, then 210-215m for Hello, and now around 190m for Can't Stop The Feeling and One Dance. Did radio stations change something lately? Are they trying to avoid overplaying songs now? I'd be curious if spin counts are actually lower or if it's that there are just fewer people listening to radio stations. I would think the latter more than the former. It's funny, for the first few years of this decade it seemed radio listenership went way up, not exactly sure why, but now it seems to be crawling back down, perhaps because of the explosion of streaming. So it looks like Drake might re-take #1 on airplay. I like both songs, but it would be nice to see CSTF go back to at least #2 on the Hot 100 for a few weeks. It's definitely grown on me more, and it has more of that feel-good, summertime vibe that could dominate for a while. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 2:02:06 GMT -5
And most people don't listen to radio for extended periods of time so they won't hear the same song twice within the period they're listening. actually a lot of people have a radio playing while they're at work in the office, and the typical work day is about 7-8 hours, and during this time there's a good chance they'll hear the same song multiple times, especially if it's a song at the top of the charts. From my personal experience, in the last couple weeks I would stream a radio station for the day while I'm sitting at my desk and I would hear certain songs 3-4 times each over the course of the day on the same station. So some people do "listen" for longer periods of time at work (7-8 hours, for example). Even though they're not necessarily concentrating on the song playing, they are still technically tuned in to the station. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 10, 2016 6:24:15 GMT -5
And most people don't listen to radio for extended periods of time so they won't hear the same song twice within the period they're listening. actually a lot of people have a radio playing while they're at work in the office, and the typical work day is about 7-8 hours, and during this time there's a good chance they'll hear the same song multiple times, especially if it's a song at the top of the charts. From my personal experience, in the last couple weeks I would stream a radio station for the day while I'm sitting at my desk and I would hear certain songs 3-4 times each over the course of the day on the same station. So some people do "listen" for longer periods of time at work (7-8 hours, for example). Even though they're not necessarily concentrating on the song playing, they are still technically tuned in to the station. There's a difference between hearing a radio in the background and listening to it. If they're listening to it, they should be fired for not doing their job for 7-8 hours a day. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 6:35:37 GMT -5
actually a lot of people have a radio playing while they're at work in the office, and the typical work day is about 7-8 hours, and during this time there's a good chance they'll hear the same song multiple times, especially if it's a song at the top of the charts. From my personal experience, in the last couple weeks I would stream a radio station for the day while I'm sitting at my desk and I would hear certain songs 3-4 times each over the course of the day on the same station. So some people do "listen" for longer periods of time at work (7-8 hours, for example). Even though they're not necessarily concentrating on the song playing, they are still technically tuned in to the station. There's a difference between hearing a radio in the background and listening to it. If they're listening to it, they should be fired for not doing their job for 7-8 hours a day. the radio audience counts just as much regardless of whether they're listening or just having it play in the background though... |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 10, 2016 6:45:34 GMT -5
There's a difference between hearing a radio in the background and listening to it. If they're listening to it, they should be fired for not doing their job for 7-8 hours a day. the radio audience counts just as much regardless of whether they're listening or just having it play in the background though... I realize that but that wasn't my point. Stations aren't concerned about those places because they're less likely to change to another station, therefore they don't need to cater to those 'listeners' as much as 'active listeners,' like drivers - people who have the controls quite literally in their hands. For the most part, those people listen to radio in short time periods, and usually in their cars. If I'm going to listen to the radio in 20 minute increments four times a day, I'm going to want to hear the hits. |
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Post by Old-school 72 on Jun 10, 2016 7:42:16 GMT -5
That is the problem, people only want to hear the hits. All over the world people have become programmed like robots. When I turn the radio on I would rather hear a brand new song than one that's on every hour on the hour. I will be called old again for this ,but things were better. Back in the late 80s when I was a teenager you could call a station and asked them to play an album tracks and they would. Now you're lucky if they will play the latest Madonna song because she is old.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 10, 2016 7:44:19 GMT -5
And most people don't listen to radio for extended periods of time so they won't hear the same song twice within the period they're listening. actually a lot of people have a radio playing while they're at work in the office, and the typical work day is about 7-8 hours, and during this time there's a good chance they'll hear the same song multiple times, especially if it's a song at the top of the charts. From my personal experience, in the last couple weeks I would stream a radio station for the day while I'm sitting at my desk and I would hear certain songs 3-4 times each over the course of the day on the same station. So some people do "listen" for longer periods of time at work (7-8 hours, for example). Even though they're not necessarily concentrating on the song playing, they are still technically tuned in to the station. The poster said "most people," not "every single person." I have no idea what the actual stats are so I am not saying what is right/wrong. I just think it's weird when someone uses their individual habits to act like that means a generalization is incorrect. |
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Post by Raccoon on Jun 10, 2016 8:17:21 GMT -5
Where should "Kill Em With Kindness" be this week?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 8:42:26 GMT -5
actually a lot of people have a radio playing while they're at work in the office, and the typical work day is about 7-8 hours, and during this time there's a good chance they'll hear the same song multiple times, especially if it's a song at the top of the charts. From my personal experience, in the last couple weeks I would stream a radio station for the day while I'm sitting at my desk and I would hear certain songs 3-4 times each over the course of the day on the same station. So some people do "listen" for longer periods of time at work (7-8 hours, for example). Even though they're not necessarily concentrating on the song playing, they are still technically tuned in to the station. The poster said "most people," not "every single person." I have no idea what the actual stats are so I am not saying what is right/wrong. I just think it's weird when someone uses their individual habits to act like that means a generalization is incorrect. I know for a fact that a lot of people other than myself also keep a radio station playing at their desk/cubicle/office. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 10, 2016 9:39:28 GMT -5
The poster said "most people," not "every single person." I have no idea what the actual stats are so I am not saying what is right/wrong. I just think it's weird when someone uses their individual habits to act like that means a generalization is incorrect. I know for a fact that a lot of people other than myself also keep a radio station playing at their desk/cubicle/office. Ok. And if they religiously stick to the same station every day, those stations don't have to work hard to keep them the way they do with short-term listeners. |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Jun 10, 2016 10:05:03 GMT -5
The poster said "most people," not "every single person." I have no idea what the actual stats are so I am not saying what is right/wrong. I just think it's weird when someone uses their individual habits to act like that means a generalization is incorrect. I know for a fact that a lot of people other than myself also keep a radio station playing at their desk/cubicle/office. And the number of people I know who are streaming at work is HUGE. They think it's 'less obvious' to have it on computer than an old fashioned radio at desk. Except for the fact that IT knows who's eating up bandwidth, but OK! I rarely listen to radio, unless I'm traveling and don't feel like hooking up my phone to rental. I'll even listen to Sirius "preview" channel if it's not the car doesn't have full license. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 10, 2016 10:07:03 GMT -5
Side note: Once pop music became sexified - most prominently in the 80s I'd say - the game changed forever. So Madonna's influence and/or the movement she helped push forward also may have helped create this expectation of youth and sex appeal.... which is now working against her no matter how hard she tries to stay youthful. It's kinda interesting. However, she's also a champion for doing what you want and not letting people tell you that you can't, regardless of age, gender, etc, and THAT along with her abilities and talent is what I think has gotten her this far, much more than sex appeal. She's defied the odds and the naysayers in so many ways. Repeatedly. Eh, it's not just pop music, though. The same thing has happened in TV and especially in movies. It's really more about advertisers and who they target (i.e. people who spend money). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 10:21:23 GMT -5
Side note: Once pop music became sexified - most prominently in the 80s I'd say - the game changed forever. So Madonna's influence and/or the movement she helped push forward also may have helped create this expectation of youth and sex appeal.... which is now working against her no matter how hard she tries to stay youthful. It's kinda interesting. However, she's also a champion for doing what you want and not letting people tell you that you can't, regardless of age, gender, etc, and THAT along with her abilities and talent is what I think has gotten her this far, much more than sex appeal. She's defied the odds and the naysayers in so many ways. Repeatedly. Eh, it's not just pop music, though. The same thing has happened in TV and especially in movies. It's really more about advertisers and who they target (i.e. people who spend money). You say this as if I insinuated it was just pop music. I was speaking specifically about pop music and even more specifically about Madonna and her possible role in it. Of course there's more to it than that... everything is sexualized at this point. |
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