Kelly Clarkson – Meaning of Life

[QAF]

It seems to mee that if Kelly is nominated, and she is, that she should be given a performance slot. If she wants it. Are there performers announced that are not nominated? I haven't been keeping up with that but I was really hoping Kelly would be one of the performers.

[tinawina]

If the Grammys were on NBC I’d say she’d be a lock but maybe not this year. I’m sure she’ll be all over the place this spring anyway though just to promo The Voice.

[bat1990]

Jan 17, 2018 11:44:03 GMT -5 dbhmr said:

More Grammy performers announced today but no Kelly. Looking less and less likely, though I don’t think this says anything negative about Atlantic/Brandon. She got a surprise nom for a category they don’t always televise, and she isn’t some big commercial success right now, so it’s not like they had a lot of pull to work with. As far as I know it isn’t a “complete” list of performers so it’s still possible, but I’m not holding my breath.

Or are you Catching Your Breath... ;)

[QAF]

A Grammy performance would be incredible promo though.

[Unhinged]

Ugh, I need some news about anything. Kelly has spoiled us so much over the past few months these periods of nothing are like torture. lol.

[Focus]

HAHA!! Kelly posted on Pink's Instagram.

[jenglisbe]

Jan 17, 2018 14:10:09 GMT -5 QAF said:

It seems to mee that if Kelly is nominated, and she is, that she should be given a performance slot. If she wants it.

Of course stans want this, but there are plenty of nominees (even high profile ones) that do not perform. As of now Album of the Year nominee Lorde is not a performer. Ed Sheeran is a 2-time nominee and may not perform.

Are there performers announced that are not nominated? I haven't been keeping up with that but I was really hoping Kelly would be one of the performers.

Yes, though most of them are parts of tributes (Ben Platt to West Side Story, Elton John as he's receiving an achievement award). Sam Smith isn't nominated and is performing, though I don't know in what capacity.

[dbhmr]

👀

(Now I'm kinda #teamWLW but I'd be v happy with "Heat")

[Jack]

Jan 17, 2018 20:50:42 GMT -5 dbhmr said:

(Now I'm kinda #teamWLW but I'd be v happy with "Heat")

I would be happy with either, and pretty unhappy with anything else.

P.S. This bedwetting sentiment around here that this is going to be a one single campaign when neither Kelly in word or deed, nor Atlantic in word or deed, or Kelly's professional circumstances and emerging media profile (The Voice/her having not even toured the record yet for instance) give us any indication that that's even a remote possibility is irksome. The album numbers have been solid if unspectacular, especially for the investment made. She's signed a high profile deal with them, she has a great relationship with the heads of the label and the entire team by all indication, Kelly is willing to put her money where her mouth is in terms of working the record (the party she and her manager husband hosted)...nothing but "Jojo's first project in six million years was only given one single" seems to be offered as solid reasoning for something which is tantamount to a conspiracy.

[bigb0882]

Here is what I have thought for a little while now.

I have switched to thinking Whole Lotta Woman is NOT a bad single choice. I think it is different enough, fits well into the current climate and has that novelty appeal to it that may actually make it stand out for someone who has been around as long as Kelly has. I think it has the biggest potential to smash and part of that is because it can be used in plenty of promo spots so easily. I also think it carries a huge risk and could completely and totally flop. It would be a risk, for sure, but I think the label should keep this in mind as a single at some point.

However, at this point, I don't think they need to take such a huge risk. They have The Voice coming up and Heat is a better option (or Medicine or WYCTL but I personally prefer Heat) and is much more safe. I think it would get some play but no guarantee it goes top 20 on Pop. It shouldn't be some epic flop, though, and should allow them to push a 3rd single if they wish.

I just hope that when they decide it is time to move on that they throw WLW out there, give it a few promo spots and let the chips fall where they may. Just to see if anything happens.

[Focus]

[ificanthaveyou]

Lol at you guys even considering WLW. It's a fun song, and will be in for her to perform on tour, but that's where it should stay. If LSS didn't catch, no way in hell WLW does either.

Nothing on this album will really light up CHR, so she needs a HAC/AC hit next. Her realistic choices are:

Move You, Heat, Don't You Pretend, Go High, or Would You Call That Love. I'll never understand how she can't get a big name duet on her album. Piece By Piece got John Legend but he's not on the level of Bruno or Ed or Sam or Chris Martin (Coldplay). All freaking Atlantic artists so it can't be label politics. At the very least if not a duet then a collab/production. Hell, throw Cardi B onto Get High and give us an urban smash bish. Her release strategies have been so damn vanilla for the longest time. Something's obviously not clicking no matter her talent and public/peer respect. It's not translating into sales.

[spaceykSVP1999]

"Cruel" could work as a single, too. It's catchy and a big vocal moment. Theyare lacking high profile career performers this year so I don't think it's out of the picture.

[Jack]

Jan 18, 2018 1:44:40 GMT -5 ificanthaveyou said:

Lol at you guys even considering WLW. It's a fun song, and will be in for her to perform on tour, but that's where it should stay. If LSS didn't catch, no way in hell WLW does either.

Nothing on this album will really light up CHR, so she needs a HAC/AC hit next. Her realistic choices are:

Move You, Heat, Don't You Pretend, Go High, or Would You Call That Love. I'll never understand how she can't get a big name duet on her album. Piece By Piece got John Legend but he's not on the level of Bruno or Ed or Sam or Chris Martin (Coldplay). All freaking Atlantic artists so it can't be label politics. At the very least if not a duet then a collab/production. Hell, throw Cardi B onto Get High and give us an urban smash bish. Her release strategies have been so damn vanilla for the longest time. Something's obviously not clicking no matter her talent and public/peer respect. It's not translating into sales.

Yeah the people suggesting a female empowerment song that's both congruous with her body image, brand, long running themes of empowerment, the feminist pop culture movement of the moment, that she performs live better than any other, has the novelty/message factor that a middlingly performing campaign might need to attract attention, is more of an absurd 'lol'able prospect than getting Cardi damn B to jump on a record with her.

I know you've posited that Kelly should just pluck any old hip hop artist and plonk them on her records, you know for "the cred", like they're dancing minstrels who'll show everybody what a cool Mom Kelly is at the cookouts, but it's fantasy. By your own admission in your own same post it's fantasy, so spinning us yarns and laughing at well thought out, reconciled commonalities is boring.

Notice (you probably won't have), that nobody suggesting Whole Lotta Woman has said it's their preferred song in terms of their personal tastes. Much of the rationale as come with the caveats that it's a begrudging admission; that people can see past their faves!&^&!! and rather than play Record Label Tycoon and preach about what's realistic and what isn't while suggesting that Kelly just go on The Breakfast Club to sell her album, they have concluded that something outside of their individual preference and initial instinct might be the better next step despite those things. Gosh, imagine.

But yes never mind, Don't You Pretend feat. Offset, Kodie Shane and Remy Ma coming to smash our radios next weeek !!zxz!2

[Marooned@Midnight]

Whole Lotta Woman would be a disaster as a single imo. I’d always love to be proven wrong, though perhaps not for this song which is one of my only skips during an album listen. Some of the people who want that though are the same ones that thought Invincible was the perfect second single from PBP because of all these logical reasons - hot ac darling, female empowerment, vocal showcase. That wasn’t a bad song and WLW isn’t either, but I think they’d make similar sized hits.

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Putting aside my personal opinion on WLW, if she released that now it would be at radio at the same time as Kesha's Woman is. They're distinctly different songs when you listen to them, but the title and overall vibe are the same. So it's not so much that female empowerment can't or won't sell but that the songs will be competing with each other, and Kelly would definitely be at a disadvantage with Kesha having sent her song to radio 3-4 weeks in advance. And fwiw there's even been doubt that Kesha (whose very existence is the definition of female empowerment rn) can make Woman a hit. In an ideal world the two songs could rise together and jumpstart their own trend of sorts (I'm dying for someone to get their shit together and make a mashup!), but in reality they have equal or greater odds of flopping at radio together and cannibalizing each other's meager sales/streams in the process.

If Kesha had picked a different second single we could discuss WLW on its own merits or demerits but unfortunately that is not the case now.

[divasummer]

I'm becoming more of a fan of "Whole Lotta Woman" as time goes on.
I think it's great for promo appearances because live she does sell it very well.
I don't think it would be the greatest single though.
I'm still team "Medicine". (if there even is one).
"Heat" isn't bad either.
However another poster brought up her doing a collaboration with a rapper for a possible remix.
Maybe if she got a prime "Voice" performance spot and got Cardi or Nicki??? on a remix for "Whole Lotta Woman" maybe it could work...

[QAF]

I absolutely love WLW but I don't think it's a good choice for a single. I have my hopes up for Heat.

[tinawina]

I love Whole Lotta Woman as a live song but the actual recording is a tad cheesy for a modern single. They would have to produce it a bit dfferently and maybe tweak some of the lyrics then I could see it working. I don't think they need to do all that though... I think going with Heat or Medicine instead is he right choice if they are loooking for an uptempo representative of the album's soul pop vibe.

That said if she ended up with a Grammy performance slot by some miracle, I'd much rather see her do WLW than either of those two, because that song is much more immediate live on first listen than any other uptempo on the album IMO.

[QAF]

If she got a Grammy slot I was initially for her doing MOL but if Heat were the next single, then I would be happy if she did it. That CB Heat live performance is fire.

[Jack]

Jan 18, 2018 9:40:07 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

Putting aside my personal opinion on WLW, if she released that now it would be at radio at the same time as Kesha's Woman is. They're distinctly different songs when you listen to them, but the title and overall vibe are the same. So it's not so much that female empowerment can't or won't sell but that the songs will be competing with each other, and Kelly would definitely be at a disadvantage with Kesha having sent her song to radio 3-4 weeks in advance. And fwiw there's even been doubt that Kesha (whose very existence is the definition of female empowerment rn) can make Woman a hit. In an ideal world the two songs could rise together and jumpstart their own trend of sorts (I'm dying for someone to get their s**t together and make a mashup!), but in reality they have equal or greater odds of flopping at radio together and cannibalizing each other's meager sales/streams in the process.

If Kesha had picked a different second single we could discuss WLW on its own merits or demerits but unfortunately that is not the case now.

I agree with a lot of this, but tend to lean towards Kesha's song being a help to a potential WLW release in terms terraforming radio playlists etc. in its direction. But I certainly accept the argument that it has potential to hinder.

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Jan 18, 2018 11:00:42 GMT -5 Jack said:

Jan 18, 2018 9:40:07 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

Putting aside my personal opinion on WLW, if she released that now it would be at radio at the same time as Kesha's Woman is. They're distinctly different songs when you listen to them, but the title and overall vibe are the same. So it's not so much that female empowerment can't or won't sell but that the songs will be competing with each other, and Kelly would definitely be at a disadvantage with Kesha having sent her song to radio 3-4 weeks in advance. And fwiw there's even been doubt that Kesha (whose very existence is the definition of female empowerment rn) can make Woman a hit. In an ideal world the two songs could rise together and jumpstart their own trend of sorts (I'm dying for someone to get their s**t together and make a mashup!), but in reality they have equal or greater odds of flopping at radio together and cannibalizing each other's meager sales/streams in the process.

If Kesha had picked a different second single we could discuss WLW on its own merits or demerits but unfortunately that is not the case now.

I agree with a lot of this, but tend to lean towards Kesha's song being a help to a potential WLW release in terms terraforming radio playlists etc. in its direction. But I certainly accept the argument that it has potential to hinder.

Yeah, in fairness I think it tends to work out when you have more than one artist coming with a type of sound and at least one of those artists is a current hitmaker. So a woman/WLW tandem could work out for HAC (even LSS eked out the top 10 there so I'd say Kelly is still in this category for HAC, for now). But neither is a stronghold at pop - Kesha's comeback is great, but hardly solidified with just Prayer under her belt - and I think that is where it gets a bit tricky when factoring in how HAC likes to follow CHR's lead sometimes. If Woman takes off suddenly, where will this leave WLW?

That said I've made a conscious decision not to think about this second single debate anymore b/c I enjoy the entire album, and what will be, will be. I'm just ready for an announcement!

[nightshade]

Jan 18, 2018 11:17:38 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

That said I've made a conscious decision not to think about this second single debate anymore b/c I enjoy the entire album, and what will be, will be. I'm just ready for an announcement!

This x 100.

Announce the single, the tour, and let The Voice promo begin.

[getonthebus]

I'm ready for the second-guessing and 20/20 hindsight third-guessing posts.

[Focus]

[14887fan]

Maybe she’ll present, in that case? At least she’ll be there, which’ll be exciting.

[Focus]

[Revelry]

Yay for at least presenting at the Grammy's and she's working on a new video. Won't confirm what for though. Hmmm... #TeamHeat #Cometurnthisaround #Dontletusdown

[Focus]

[dbhmr]

"Medicine" cancelled. 💅🏼