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Post by Choco on Oct 15, 2018 10:44:37 GMT -5
The writing on Speak Now is really, really good. It's also a really personal record, which is great, but in the end there are fewer standouts there than on 1989 (her most cohesive album from start to finish) or Red (which has a great balance of bops and more personal stuff and includes standouts like "All Too Well" and "I Knew You Were Trouble").
In fact, in terms of how many songs I still love, I might even rank Reputation above Speak Now.
I still love "Haunted" a lot though!
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Post by tryexp on Oct 15, 2018 13:11:14 GMT -5
How is it that I completely missed this?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 15:50:39 GMT -5
She probably will never write an album better than speak now She already did. Twice imo. Lyrically? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 15:51:37 GMT -5
The writing on Speak Now is really, really good. It's also a really personal record, which is great, but in the end there are fewer standouts there than on 1989 (her most cohesive album from start to finish) or Red (which has a great balance of bops and more personal stuff and includes standouts like "All Too Well" and "I Knew You Were Trouble"). In fact, in terms of how many songs I still love, I might even rank Reputation above Speak Now. I still love "Haunted" a lot though! Omg Haunted is my favorite Taylor swift song. |
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Post by nickd on Oct 15, 2018 20:37:32 GMT -5
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Post by desertfloods on Oct 15, 2018 23:11:15 GMT -5
She already did. Twice imo. Lyrically? Easily! Lyrically, and vocally too. Speak Now was pretty good album at that point in time of her life, but out came 1989 and it made Speak Now looks a little immature and underdeveloped. The album didn't age well for me. I love Last Kiss though, still one of her best album cuts ever. Red was a little lost in terms of cohesiveness, but just the few highlights from there were already better than Speak Now. |
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Post by Grün on Oct 16, 2018 0:18:24 GMT -5
I can't fathom what the next album will be like. It may be a bit premature to talk about it because it looks like they may push IDSB or something else. However, I can't help but speculate. Here is what I would like.
First Single
Please no talking parts. That trope needs to die it was on her last three first singles (WANEGBT, SIO, LWYMMD). Let's try something different.
Also, I hope the first single isn't a polarizing one. While I loved it for LWYMMD, I don't think that would be the best course of action this time around.
Producers
2). Please limit or completely stop writing with Max Martin and Jack Antonoff. I loved the music she has created with them, but I think it is time to expand her boundaries. Of course, this depends where her next venture takes her.
If she does go more electronic or EDM pull in more of those producers.
Sound
I would love a more singer-songwriter album. I think Taylor shines best with minimal production. Give us more piano, guitar, or something more understated. Even in her poppier songs, I think minimal production really does her favors.
In the end, I am not worried because,in my humble opinion; Taylor has never made a bad/mediocre album. If Taylor does everything I don't want, I am sure it will be an excellent album still. However, I really hope this album pushes boundaries.
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Post by insen_13 on Oct 16, 2018 5:52:08 GMT -5
I don't think we'll have enough time to say our expectations regarding TS7 cause it's coming sooner than we think.
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Post by adamalterlago on Oct 16, 2018 5:57:23 GMT -5
I have a feeling we will definitely be getting a singer-songwriter type album from her next. For some reason, in my gut, I feel like her next album will take a more "indie" style route with country elements and will be praised as a sort-of return to form. At least I'm hoping for this.
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Post by born on Oct 16, 2018 5:59:17 GMT -5
I don’t think we’re getting an indie singer/songwriter album soon. Maybe a Lorde-type indie album that doesn’t focus on being blockbuster and having numerous hits. But I think she will definitely stay in the pop field. She might go a bit more alternative though.
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Post by g8erboi on Oct 16, 2018 8:43:07 GMT -5
I have a feeling we’re going to get a surprise album drop before the holiday season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 9:47:18 GMT -5
Based on that article from HDD, it looks like this whole Taylor - Big Machine issue might blow up into a total mess. If her back catalog gets sold off along with Big Machine, whoever buys it is going to want to maximize profits. We may begin to see endless Greatest Hits, Best Of, and Rarities releases based on what they have the rights to in the vaults. It could become like the Tim McGraw - Curb situation. It sounds like Taylor has made it clear she is not going to sign again with Big Machine, so Scott is going to get out while he has something left of value.
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Post by adamalterlago on Oct 16, 2018 10:01:03 GMT -5
I have a feeling we’re going to get a surprise album drop before the holiday season. I think so too... |
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Post by tryexp on Oct 16, 2018 10:23:24 GMT -5
Based on that article from HDD, it looks like this whole Taylor - Big Machine issue might blow up into a total mess. If her back catalog gets sold off along with Big Machine, whoever buys it is going to want to maximize profits. We may begin to see endless Greatest Hits, Best Of, and Rarities releases based on what they have the rights to in the vaults. It could become like the Tim McGraw - Curb situation. It sounds like Taylor has made it clear she is not going to sign again with Big Machine, so Scott is going to get out while he has something left of value.^Agreed with that bold part - I think Taylor refused to sing without the masters rights, Scott realised that was BMR best asset and is looking to cut his losses, because otherwise he won't get as much money - it's also possible this is a hugely misleading and Scott is just exploring avenues while they work on a deal with Taylor.
Being the successful business woman she is, I think Taylor might want to have her own label and the creative freedom to do whatever she likes. If the back catalog gets sold I can imagine we are in for hundreds of compilations with a couple of previous unreleased demos on them for years to come, but even if Scott still has the rights and Taylor leaves I can't see why they wouldn't do it, if they get some money out of it.
Also, I find it very unlikely we are going to get an album before 2019 Q3 (specially before Grammys nominations - we all know how important that is to her), and I think Taylor is going to get another mostly pop album out before adjusting her strategy. This is the last album before she turns 30, and we all know how likely she is to find massive success in pop after that. So another pop, possibly pop/alternative or pop/disco before the singer songwriter turn is my bet.
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Post by adamalterlago on Oct 16, 2018 10:28:09 GMT -5
I wouldn't be mad at another pop album but I nee it to be more cohesive and innovative than Reputation. I didn't think I would ever say this being a big fan of Max but I think she needs to work with some new people. The Max/Taylor combo is classic but I think people need a break from it. And Jack is EVERYWHERE.
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Post by Choco on Oct 16, 2018 11:53:14 GMT -5
I hope y'all are right about the new album coming soon because I need new music.
Also, is 30 the new cutoff age for Pop success? It used to be 40-ish. If you're all saying that because of Katy, that album was crap. Beyoncé abandoned Pop so she's also a bad example. Most of these Pop stars just naturally move out of what Pop likes around that age out of boredom.
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Post by tinawina on Oct 16, 2018 12:32:48 GMT -5
I don’t think 30 is a magic number personally. I think it’s more about how long youve been in the public eye. She started young so she’s approaching the point where her core fans are starting to age out of the target market, and the younger end of the pop demo more and more sees her as someone who was cool when they were in kindergarten lol.
That said I think she can likely have successful pop albums for a little while more. It’s just hard to stay cool when your “my moms favorite singer” heh. She’s not all the way there yet but it’s not far off.
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Post by nickd on Oct 16, 2018 15:41:33 GMT -5
Some reasons why I'm not too worried about Taylor being "too old"
Most pop stars don't peak 8-9 years into their careers, so for people that are more into pop - and international fans, it won't feel like she's been around that long.
Kids might be reluctant to listen to mom's favorite singer but they will look up to young adults a few years older than them and Taylor has loads of fans in their late teens to early 20s. I mean the average age of a mother with kids old enough to develop their own taste of music (ie early to mid teens) is probably around 40. Although she does have fans in that demo, it's definitely not her core demo.
A lot of kids are always looking for the next new thing, and it's true that Taylor isn't new anymore, but many just want good enjoyable music and I think Taylor can still deliver that. It might mean she won't get a 1989 sized era but I think Red, Prism, or Dangerous Woman sized eras are still within reach (in terms of hit singles).
The 18-30 demo is definitely still important for success as a popstar and that's still the demo she's the most popular in.
I think it's also less about turning 30 and more about releasing the same album 3 times in a row. Taylor's been pretty good at changing things up with her music so I'm not too worried about that.
Male artists are popular at an older age, but they often start out older too.
There's still a vacuum in pop music, there aren't any wildly successful pop stars coming up to push her out yet.
I think there's less of an emphasis on appearances than in past pop eras - the TRL era of Britney and BSB, or the Youtube era of Katy Perry and Lady Gaga. People just stream now. And she seems to take good care of her health, I think she's aging well.
Some people get tired of success and the spotlight and lose motivation or shift to less popular genres. Although Taylor didn't like the hate she got in 2016, I do think she enjoys a lot of what comes with being a pop star more than most. If she's able to put that behind her I think there is the potential for continued success.
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Post by nickd on Oct 16, 2018 15:52:56 GMT -5
As for what kind of music we'll get... She did mention at her Nashville show that she's going to have to top that next time, or something along those lines. My impression is that she had several songs written and a sense of what her album would sound like when she made that comment, because it wasn't that long before her "next chapter" comment and multiple months after her "album before I'm 30" comment to Perez Hilton. Her Nashville comment suggests to me that her next album will translate well a big production stadium setting, so either pop or rock of some sort, rather than acoustic ballads.
I mean she might have some acoustic ballads but I'm not expecting an entire album of those. It might be more of a concept album like Lemonade too. And it could still have a strong emphasis on songwriting since that's not necessarily incompatible with pop/rock, for example Long Live, Better Than Revenge, All Too Well.
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Post by tinawina on Oct 16, 2018 17:38:28 GMT -5
Some reasons why I'm not too worried about Taylor being "too old" Most pop stars don't peak 8-9 years into their careers, so for people that are more into pop - and international fans, it won't feel like she's been around that long. Kids might be reluctant to listen to mom's favorite singer but they will look up to young adults a few years older than them and Taylor has loads of fans in their late teens to early 20s. I mean the average age of a mother with kids old enough to develop their own taste of music (ie early to mid teens) is probably around 40. Although she does have fans in that demo, it's definitely not her core demo. A lot of kids are always looking for the next new thing, and it's true that Taylor isn't new anymore, but many just want good enjoyable music and I think Taylor can still deliver that. It might mean she won't get a 1989 sized era but I think Red, Prism, or Dangerous Woman sized eras are still within reach (in terms of hit singles). The 18-30 demo is definitely still important for success as a popstar and that's still the demo she's the most popular in. I think it's also less about turning 30 and more about releasing the same album 3 times in a row. Taylor's been pretty good at changing things up with her music so I'm not too worried about that. Male artists are popular at an older age, but they often start out older too. There's still a vacuum in pop music, there aren't any wildly successful pop stars coming up to push her out yet. I think there's less of an emphasis on appearances than in past pop eras - the TRL era of Britney and BSB, or the Youtube era of Katy Perry and Lady Gaga. People just stream now. And she seems to take good care of her health, I think she's aging well. Some people get tired of success and the spotlight and lose motivation or shift to less popular genres. Although Taylor didn't like the hate she got in 2016, I do think she enjoys a lot of what comes with being a pop star more than most. If she's able to put that behind her I think there is the potential for continued success. I agree with a lot of this, but in some ways I think you are over thinking it? The Love Story/You Belong With Me big breakthrough era, for instance, was 2008. That was 10 years ago. Today’s 18 year olds were jamming out to Taylor in the third grade. In a few years, college freshmen will have heard those songs as toddlers. People who have clear memories of her first hit (Tim McGraw) will have graduated college. She is by no means “old” but Its hard to stay pop relevant under those circumstances. Happens to everyone at some point. It’s not a big deal, she will keep selling buckets of albums for a long time, sell out tours and probably get some hits... especially out of her lead singles. She’s very Beyonce in that way. It’s just pop and she will continue to thrive. Anyway it’s not a thing for a few more years so it’s all good. I think dropping a surprise album this November would be genius!!! I really hope she does it, the hype alone would be fantastic to watch. |
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Oct 16, 2018 21:26:17 GMT -5
If Madonna was “the” popstar of the 80s, Mariah of the 90s, Britney of the 00s...Taylor stepped up and became “the” popstar of the 2010s. This has been her decade, and no one else but Adele has been as popular.
I love that she has fully embraced pop and has some of the biggest anthems. She saw the hole in the market and took that shit to the bank. Hell, her performance was the best of the AMAs. Queen!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 21:45:12 GMT -5
Taylor, Adele, and Rihanna are the only pop stars I can think of who have had continuous hit singles for the past decade. They’ve all slayed the ‘10s
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Post by Janhova's Witness on Oct 17, 2018 2:32:54 GMT -5
I honestly think she'll try for a song of the summer next year with her lead single. I'm expecting something breezy, up-tempo, easy to sing along to but not annoying, a love song. "Delicate" meets "Anywhere" by Rita Ora.
I can totally see a Drake feature on the next album, too.
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Post by adamalterlago on Oct 17, 2018 5:42:01 GMT -5
If Madonna was “the” popstar of the 80s, Mariah of the 90s, Britney of the 00s...Taylor stepped up and became “the” popstar of the 2010s. This has been her decade, and no one else but Adele has been as popular. I love that she has fully embraced pop and has some of the biggest anthems. She saw the hole in the market and took that s**t to the bank. Hell, her performance was the best of the AMAs. Queen! Personally, I think this title belongs to Rihanna. |
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Post by tinawina on Oct 17, 2018 7:14:47 GMT -5
If Madonna was “the” popstar of the 80s, Mariah of the 90s, Britney of the 00s...Taylor stepped up and became “the” popstar of the 2010s. This has been her decade, and no one else but Adele has been as popular. I love that she has fully embraced pop and has some of the biggest anthems. She saw the hole in the market and took that s**t to the bank. Hell, her performance was the best of the AMAs. Queen! Personally, I think this title belongs to Rihanna. They can share in terms on impact. But when it comes to sales, Taylor practically prints money lol. But maybe they're are closer to equal in worldwode sales, I dunno. |
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Post by adamalterlago on Oct 17, 2018 8:11:43 GMT -5
Personally, I think this title belongs to Rihanna. They can share in terms on impact. But when it comes to sales, Taylor practically prints money lol. But maybe they're are closer to equal in worldwode sales, I dunno. Yes, I would think that Taylor may have more sales (but maybe just in the US?). I think Rihanna is more of a global superstar. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Taylor has more recently become that. I'm from the US but reside in the UK. I moved here after the domination of 1989 and I was surprised to see that her influence and popularity was nowhere near what I had come across in the States. She was (and is) still popular but Taylor + US = $$$$. |
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Post by Choco on Oct 17, 2018 9:06:08 GMT -5
Taylor didn't really become a superstar worldwide until 1989. Country doesn't really sell outside of the US except for the absolutely huge stuff like Need You Now or Meant to Be.
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Post by myhouse911 on Oct 18, 2018 16:41:20 GMT -5
Taylor's submissions for this year's Grammys are as follows:
reputation: AOTY, Pop Album
Delicate: ROTY, SOTY, Pop Solo, Remixed Recording non Classical (Sawyr/Ryan Tedder), Best Dance Recording (Seeb remix)
End Game: Pop Duo/Group, Music Video
Babe: ROTY, SOTY, Country Duo/Group, Music Video (strange it's not submitted for Country Song, unless it was just an error when posting her submissions?)
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Post by Taylor. on Oct 18, 2018 17:01:54 GMT -5
Taylor's submissions for this year's Grammys are as follows: reputation: AOTY, Pop Album Delicate: ROTY, SOTY, Pop Solo, Remixed Recording non Classical (Sawyr/Ryan Tedder), Best Dance Recording (Seeb remix) End Game: Pop Duo/Group, Music Video Babe: ROTY, SOTY, Country Duo/Group, Music Video (strange it's not submitted for Country Song, unless it was just an error when posting her submissions?) I think these are fake – they originated on ATRL. I'm pretty sure remixes aren't eligible for Best Dance Recording. |
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Post by myhouse911 on Oct 18, 2018 17:48:09 GMT -5
Taylor's submissions for this year's Grammys are as follows: reputation: AOTY, Pop Album Delicate: ROTY, SOTY, Pop Solo, Remixed Recording non Classical (Sawyr/Ryan Tedder), Best Dance Recording (Seeb remix) End Game: Pop Duo/Group, Music Video Babe: ROTY, SOTY, Country Duo/Group, Music Video (strange it's not submitted for Country Song, unless it was just an error when posting her submissions?) I think these are fake – they originated on ATRL. I'm pretty sure remixes aren't eligible for Best Dance Recording. I don't know what ATRL is but I'll take your word for it. |
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