Janet Jackson - Together Again Tour

[Ling-Ling]

Nov 23, 2021 9:04:35 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

I just meant that she overcame it and the incident didn't keep her from, eventually, getting her due. In the end, it wasn't enough to keep her out of the Hall of Fame. she had to wait some after her eligibility, but there are others who've had to wait longer.

I agree that it impacted her career commercially thereafter, though at some point, she wasn't going to enjoy the same success she enjoyed prior (2004 was 20-plus years since her debut album; also, other big female acts also had commercial slumps around that time). Would it have come an album later? Two? We'll never know, thanks in large part to Nipplegate.

On side/related notes- Viacom/CBS owned BET at the time of the 2004 Super Bowl, didn't it?

Stop trying to polish this turd, lol. She didn't fully overcome it. Janet was hitting her legacy period, which yes, meant that her commercial decline was imminent. But this was also the period that she would have been cementing her legacy. Her reputation and accomplishments were basically written off. And because she was ostracized from the industry and MIA for a decade, her music and image was lost to an entire generation. And that's been the real lasting damage. Her being inducted into the HOF is fantastic, but it also means nothing to the general public. Especially when they don't even have a basic understanding of her discography/impact because she's been reduced to "that woman who flashed her tit at the Superbowl."

[Relaxing Cup]

Nov 23, 2021 10:29:42 GMT -5 Ling-Ling said:

Nov 23, 2021 9:04:35 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

I just meant that she overcame it and the incident didn't keep her from, eventually, getting her due. In the end, it wasn't enough to keep her out of the Hall of Fame. she had to wait some after her eligibility, but there are others who've had to wait longer.

I agree that it impacted her career commercially thereafter, though at some point, she wasn't going to enjoy the same success she enjoyed prior (2004 was 20-plus years since her debut album; also, other big female acts also had commercial slumps around that time). Would it have come an album later? Two? We'll never know, thanks in large part to Nipplegate.

On side/related notes- Viacom/CBS owned BET at the time of the 2004 Super Bowl, didn't it?

Stop trying to polish this turd, lol. She didn't fully overcome it. Janet was hitting her legacy period, which yes, meant that her commercial decline was imminent. But this was also the period that she would have been cementing her legacy. Her reputation and accomplishments were basically written off. And because she was ostracized from the industry and MIA for a decade, her music and image was lost to an entire generation. And that's been the real lasting damage. Her being inducted into the HOF is fantastic, but it also means nothing to the general public. Especially when they don't even have a basic understanding of her discography/impact because she's been reduced to "that woman who flashed her tit at the Superbowl."

This.

[HolidayGuy]

My intent isn't to polish any turd. Just trying to highlight some positivity in the whole mess. The GP, at this point, needs a high-profile reminder of her importance and music.

Janet released two albums in the 2000s following DJ, so she rightfully didn't go away and hide from the world. The experience well may have impacted the quality of the music, though, as, IMO, those two, as a whole, didn't compare to what came before them. Unbreakable, though, was a stronger effort, more in line with "classic Janet."

[Dammn Baby]

Nov 23, 2021 10:59:34 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

My intent isn't to polish any turd. Just trying to highlight some positivity in the whole mess. The GP, at this point, needs a high-profile reminder of her importance and music.

Janet released two albums in the 2000s following DJ, so she rightfully didn't go away and hide from the world. The experience well may have impacted the quality of the music, though, as, IMO, those two, as a whole, didn't compare to what came before them. Unbreakable, though, was a stronger effort, more in line with "classic Janet."

There is no positivity in this mess. Janet and her legacy have been the victims of the structural racism and sexism that she fought her entire career to overcome. As a successful Black woman, this has always been a tightrope act for her. She really paved the way for so many Black women and Black entertainers. I hope that this retrospective reevaluation of how she was mistreated and cast aside due to the arbitrary decisions of powerful White men in the industry and in politics leads to some genuine appreciation of her work.

People often speak about Janet's immediate post-SuperBowl output (20 YO and Discipline) as representative of an artist with waning creativity, but her output also needs to be viewed in the context of the trauma that she experienced. Janet's traumatization and ongoing retraumatization in the media played a major role in her disengagement from the industry and from the musical process. Even more blame and shame was then heaped on her for not meeting artistic expectations. That she continued at all after what she went through was a miracle. She only got the passion back with the benefit of space and time (the 7-year break between the last two albums), and I hope that she addresses this experience directly in her documentary. For someone of Janet's calibre, it must have been harrowing to lose all of that in a blink of an eye.

[back2blk]

Nov 23, 2021 13:43:00 GMT -5 Dammn Baby said:

Nov 23, 2021 10:59:34 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

My intent isn't to polish any turd. Just trying to highlight some positivity in the whole mess. The GP, at this point, needs a high-profile reminder of her importance and music.

Janet released two albums in the 2000s following DJ, so she rightfully didn't go away and hide from the world. The experience well may have impacted the quality of the music, though, as, IMO, those two, as a whole, didn't compare to what came before them. Unbreakable, though, was a stronger effort, more in line with "classic Janet."

There is no positivity in this mess. Janet and her legacy have been the victims of the structural racism and sexism that she fought her entire career to overcome. As a successful Black woman, this has always been a tightrope act for her. She really paved the way for so many Black women and Black entertainers. I hope that this retrospective reevaluation of how she was mistreated and cast aside due to the arbitrary decisions of powerful White men in the industry and in politics leads to some genuine appreciation of her work.

People often speak about Janet's immediate post-SuperBowl output (20 YO and Discipline) as representative of an artist with waning creativity, but her output also needs to be viewed in the context of the trauma that she experienced. Janet's traumatization and ongoing retraumatization in the media played a major role in her disengagement from the industry and from the musical process. Even more blame and shame was then heaped on her for not meeting artistic expectations. That she continued at all after what she went through was a miracle. She only got the passion back with the benefit of space and time (the 7-year break between the last two albums), and I hope that she addresses this experience directly in her documentary. For someone of Janet's calibre, it must have been harrowing to lose all of that in a blink of an eye.

Every fucking minute of this.

AND ALL THE WHILE, her white male accomplice received absolutely NONE of the blame, downfall, or detriment.  He received the complete opposite. 

[Dammn Baby]

Nov 23, 2021 13:46:48 GMT -5 back2blk said:

Nov 23, 2021 13:43:00 GMT -5 Dammn Baby said:

There is no positivity in this mess. Janet and her legacy have been the victims of the structural racism and sexism that she fought her entire career to overcome. As a successful Black woman, this has always been a tightrope act for her. She really paved the way for so many Black women and Black entertainers. I hope that this retrospective reevaluation of how she was mistreated and cast aside due to the arbitrary decisions of powerful White men in the industry and in politics leads to some genuine appreciation of her work.

People often speak about Janet's immediate post-SuperBowl output (20 YO and Discipline) as representative of an artist with waning creativity, but her output also needs to be viewed in the context of the trauma that she experienced. Janet's traumatization and ongoing retraumatization in the media played a major role in her disengagement from the industry and from the musical process. Even more blame and shame was then heaped on her for not meeting artistic expectations. That she continued at all after what she went through was a miracle. She only got the passion back with the benefit of space and time (the 7-year break between the last two albums), and I hope that she addresses this experience directly in her documentary. For someone of Janet's calibre, it must have been harrowing to lose all of that in a blink of an eye.

Every f**king minute of this.

AND ALL THE WHILE, her white male accomplice received absolutely NONE of the blame, downfall, or detriment.  He received the complete opposite. 

Also, I am tired of people asking was it planned?, as if the answer to that question would somehow determine whether Janet was "deserving" of the treatment she received.

Whatever was planned did not go according to plan. The immediate aftermath of the reveal is documented in the video below, and in the post-performance footage in the documentary, but is generally not discussed because the media relied on professionally shot footage and still images from the event. In these videos, Janet looks confused, traumatized and distraught, and in the documentary it was clearly stated that she was crying. I do not buy for one second that she intended to expose herself in that way to an audience. As a Black woman in the upper echelon of the entertainment industry, she worked very hard to navigate racism and sexism over a successful 30-year career (at that point) and no doubt inherently knew what lines could not be crossed.

[back2blk]

Nov 23, 2021 14:03:25 GMT -5 Dammn Baby said:

Nov 23, 2021 13:46:48 GMT -5 back2blk said:

Every f**king minute of this.

AND ALL THE WHILE, her white male accomplice received absolutely NONE of the blame, downfall, or detriment.  He received the complete opposite. 

Also, I am tired of people asking was it planned?, as if the answer to that question would somehow determine whether Janet was "deserving" of the treatment she received.

Whatever was planned did not go according to plan. The immediate aftermath of the reveal is documented in the video below, and in the post-performance footage in the documentary, but is generally not discussed because the media relied on professionally shot footage and still images from the event. In these videos, Janet looks confused, traumatized and distraught, and in the documentary it was clearly stated that she was crying. I do not buy for one second that she intended to expose herself in that way to an audience. As a Black woman in the upper echelon of the entertainment industry, she worked very hard to navigate racism and sexism over a successful 30-year career (at that point) and no doubt inherently knew what lines could not be crossed.

Preach!!!

[HolidayGuy]

Yeah, you could see she was clearly disturbed immediately after the reveal. Her white male accomplice played the game and did everything asked of him to stay in the good graces of all involved in the SB.

Janet shouldn't have even recorded the apology that was broadcast. She could have apologized, sure, but on her own terms, adding, "Look, it was an accident. Accidents happen. No one should be vilified for this," etc. etc. Because the incident did not warrant how she was treated, like a villain in all of that nonsense.

I shook my head at some of the post-SB reports shown in the documentary- that one "news" lady saying Janet calls herself Nasty Girl or something to that effect- uh, no, b**ch. Get the facts/lyrics straight.

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[Kishi KCM]

Nov 23, 2021 13:43:00 GMT -5 Dammn Baby said:

Nov 23, 2021 10:59:34 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

My intent isn't to polish any turd. Just trying to highlight some positivity in the whole mess. The GP, at this point, needs a high-profile reminder of her importance and music.

Janet released two albums in the 2000s following DJ, so she rightfully didn't go away and hide from the world. The experience well may have impacted the quality of the music, though, as, IMO, those two, as a whole, didn't compare to what came before them. Unbreakable, though, was a stronger effort, more in line with "classic Janet."

There is no positivity in this mess. Janet and her legacy have been the victims of the structural racism and sexism that she fought her entire career to overcome. As a successful Black woman, this has always been a tightrope act for her. She really paved the way for so many Black women and Black entertainers. I hope that this retrospective reevaluation of how she was mistreated and cast aside due to the arbitrary decisions of powerful White men in the industry and in politics leads to some genuine appreciation of her work.

People often speak about Janet's immediate post-SuperBowl output (20 YO and Discipline) as representative of an artist with waning creativity, but her output also needs to be viewed in the context of the trauma that she experienced. Janet's traumatization and ongoing retraumatization in the media played a major role in her disengagement from the industry and from the musical process. Even more blame and shame was then heaped on her for not meeting artistic expectations. That she continued at all after what she went through was a miracle. She only got the passion back with the benefit of space and time (the 7-year break between the last two albums), and I hope that she addresses this experience directly in her documentary. For someone of Janet's calibre, it must have been harrowing to lose all of that in a blink of an eye.

PERIOD!

We do not know the mental and emotional stress she had to go through. Her family was also going through it with the trial. She has endured TOO MUCH and has always carried herself with grace.

I hope she lays all her burdens down in her documentary and speaks from her heart!

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[Relaxing Cup]

Nov 23, 2021 13:43:00 GMT -5 Dammn Baby said:

Nov 23, 2021 10:59:34 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

My intent isn't to polish any turd. Just trying to highlight some positivity in the whole mess. The GP, at this point, needs a high-profile reminder of her importance and music.

Janet released two albums in the 2000s following DJ, so she rightfully didn't go away and hide from the world. The experience well may have impacted the quality of the music, though, as, IMO, those two, as a whole, didn't compare to what came before them. Unbreakable, though, was a stronger effort, more in line with "classic Janet."

There is no positivity in this mess. Janet and her legacy have been the victims of the structural racism and sexism that she fought her entire career to overcome. As a successful Black woman, this has always been a tightrope act for her. She really paved the way for so many Black women and Black entertainers. I hope that this retrospective reevaluation of how she was mistreated and cast aside due to the arbitrary decisions of powerful White men in the industry and in politics leads to some genuine appreciation of her work.

People often speak about Janet's immediate post-SuperBowl output (20 YO and Discipline) as representative of an artist with waning creativity, but her output also needs to be viewed in the context of the trauma that she experienced. Janet's traumatization and ongoing retraumatization in the media played a major role in her disengagement from the industry and from the musical process. Even more blame and shame was then heaped on her for not meeting artistic expectations. That she continued at all after what she went through was a miracle. She only got the passion back with the benefit of space and time (the 7-year break between the last two albums), and I hope that she addresses this experience directly in her documentary. For someone of Janet's calibre, it must have been harrowing to lose all of that in a blink of an eye.

The last sentence of this post almost made me cry 😔

[Caviar]

I'm not watching that trash special unless Janet approved it. I'll wait to hear it from her lips.

[Relaxing Cup]

[Kishi KCM]

According to Spotify Wrapped, Janet was my #1 artist for 2021.

These songs made my most played list...

Janet was also my top artist. These songs were in my top 100.



#12 So Excited
#20 Together Again (DJ Premier)
#29 Call On Me
#41 Making Love In The Rain
#55 With U
#59 China Love
#69 Just A Little While
#73 Do It 2 Me
#77 Come Back To Me
#81 The Skin Game
#85 Made For Now
#89 SloLove
#99 This Body

[Dammn Baby]

What is driving the resurgence of DRM on Spotify? It's come out of nowhere and is now her #8 song.

[bat1990]

A lot of 20 Y.O in the mix, i see

[Kishi KCM]

Dec 2, 2021 14:45:31 GMT -5 bat1990 said:

A lot of 20 Y.O in the mix, i see

I am a fan of album tracks, b-sides, unreleased songs and underrated/under appreciated albums in general.

20 Y.O. is not Janet's best work. But it is a fun album. I love to dance. Janet shouldn't have to be deep and serious all of the time, though I do hope for quality output.

I would rather listen to The Skin Game, 70's Love Groove, One More Chance, Could This Be Love and Roll Witchu than the 80's and 90's singles she performs at every tour.

[Relaxing Cup]

Janet fans are doing in on lil man on Twitter

[Dreams]

aw hell naw!!!!!! 🤬 Cancel him ASAP!

[Night Senses]

Dec 1, 2021 16:19:56 GMT -5 Kishi KCM said:

According to Spotify Wrapped, Janet was my #1 artist for 2021.

These songs made my most played list...

Janet was also my top artist. These songs were in my top 100.



#12 So Excited
#20 Together Again (DJ Premier)
#29 Call On Me
#41 Making Love In The Rain
#55 With U
#59 China Love
#69 Just A Little While
#73 Do It 2 Me
#77 Come Back To Me
#81 The Skin Game
#85 Made For Now
#89 SloLove
#99 This Body

Kishi, you’re such a 20 Y.HO. ❤️

[Kishi KCM]

Dec 5, 2021 22:13:34 GMT -5 Night Senses said:

Dec 1, 2021 16:19:56 GMT -5 Kishi KCM said:

According to Spotify Wrapped, Janet was my #1 artist for 2021.

These songs made my most played list...

Janet was also my top artist. These songs were in my top 100.



#12 So Excited
#20 Together Again (DJ Premier)
#29 Call On Me
#41 Making Love In The Rain
#55 With U
#59 China Love
#69 Just A Little While
#73 Do It 2 Me
#77 Come Back To Me
#81 The Skin Game
#85 Made For Now
#89 SloLove
#99 This Body

Kishi, you’re such a 20 Y.HO. ❤️

Awww, yes I am. Forever and always. 20 Y.O. taught me how to haha.

[newpower]

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[Relaxing Cup]

[Kishi KCM]

Right now, the most important thing Janet can do is make sure her YouTube and Spotify accounts are available and up to date globally.

Feels like the fans are ready to make something happen and get the attention of Janet and her team.

Her music videos are what made her a star. Her albums are what have inspired millions. We all have to get it on track!

[Relaxing Cup]

Vote for Jan, R&B hall of fame

www.rbhof.com/index.php/2022-nominees

[jenglisbe]

This was posted on YT yesterday:



Was it not previously available?

[jenglisbe]

Oh this was added too!

[Relaxing Cup]

Dec 16, 2021 13:28:03 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Oh this was added too!

glad I got to see it, it’s gone now 😔