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Post by Choco on Dec 17, 2017 20:54:01 GMT -5
Why test spins? Why not send it to radio? Sounds like Kesha and her team are not sure or comfortable with Woman as the next single. Probably has more to do with Christmas. Nothing is going to break out until January.
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Post by Snowbeast on Dec 17, 2017 23:16:28 GMT -5
Why test spins? Why not send it to radio? Sounds like Kesha and her team are not sure or comfortable with Woman as the next single. The amount of time theyβve held onto Praying has killed the hype of the era. Sure it peaked at x instead of x but singles shouldnβt be black and white like that. You have to judge the overall situation and make the best decision. Given that they held onto a moderate hit for 7 months, radio could really go either way going forward, and they know that. If single #2 flops, sheβs not getting another shot with single #3. They have to be careful.
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Post by musicbuff26 on Dec 18, 2017 6:49:42 GMT -5
Why do people treat βPrayingβ like it was out forever? I think it literally went recurrent itβs first week eligible and has only been out for 5 months.
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Post by upsidedown on Dec 18, 2017 8:37:12 GMT -5
Why test spins? Why not send it to radio? Sounds like Kesha and her team are not sure or comfortable with Woman as the next single. The amount of time theyβve held onto Praying has killed the hype of the era. Sure it peaked at x instead of x but singles shouldnβt be black and white like that. You have to judge the overall situation and make the best decision. Given that they held onto a moderate hit for 7 months, radio could really go either way going forward, and they know that. If single #2 flops, sheβs not getting another shot with single #3. They have to be careful. "They" didn't hold onto Praying forever. Radio kept it going. Why would her label intervene when it was still climbing? Especially with Good Old Days on the radio at the same time.
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Post by Snowbeast on Dec 18, 2017 17:11:34 GMT -5
The amount of time theyβve held onto Praying has killed the hype of the era. Sure it peaked at x instead of x but singles shouldnβt be black and white like that. You have to judge the overall situation and make the best decision. Given that they held onto a moderate hit for 7 months, radio could really go either way going forward, and they know that. If single #2 flops, sheβs not getting another shot with single #3. They have to be careful. "They" didn't hold onto Praying forever. Radio kept it going. Why would her label intervene when it was still climbing? Especially with Good Old Days on the radio at the same time. Radio kept it going because they had nothing else from her. With Kesha on tour and no promo lined up, the chances of it shooting into the Top 5, #1 were slim. Who cares if it peaks at #8, #9 or #11? Not the general public, but radio kept it in warm spin rotation because thatβs all they had. Her label is daft if they think the Macklemore collab would have have been substantial enough radio presence, and given that heβs falling out of radios graces lately, even more reason they should have pushed for another Rainbow single. I was called crazy for telling them to kill it 2 months ago, but itβs really halted her momentum and shell have to do some intense promo after the freeze. Pop stars kill their own songs all the time. Itβs strategy.
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Post by Au$tin on Dec 18, 2017 20:11:10 GMT -5
I don't understand how you still think Praying was being pushed for too long when its sales and streaming never took a large dip until very, very recently. Hell, it was staying so damn consistent in sales up until like three weeks ago, that it was bloody amazing. This isn't a case of radio taking forever or the label not being able to let go. The public was clearly still into Praying.
This is also like the trillionth time we've had this damn discussion.
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Post by Dylan :) on Dec 19, 2017 4:11:00 GMT -5
Wasnβt Praying doing great in call outs even after it collapsed?
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Post by Choco on Dec 19, 2017 6:50:03 GMT -5
Callout scores only matter when they're terrible so they kill a song (LWYMMD, Meghan Trainor's NO, Rihanna's Work). I've found a lot of examples where the song was doing great on callouts and Pop radio still dropped it (No Promises, Rihanna's Needed Me...)
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Post by upsidedown on Dec 19, 2017 7:52:25 GMT -5
Wasnβt Praying doing great in call outs even after it collapsed? Yes. Which goes to show that it's pretty damn accurate that the public was still here, on all levels, for Praying until the very end.
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Post by Dylan :) on Dec 19, 2017 8:25:14 GMT -5
Callout scores only matter when they're terrible so they kill a song (LWYMMD, Meghan Trainor's NO, Rihanna's Work). I've found a lot of examples where the song was doing great on callouts and Pop radio still dropped it (No Promises, Rihanna's Needed Me...) Oh, I agree, my point though was that the label wasnβt pushing it βso longβ for nothing
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Post by irice22 on Dec 19, 2017 23:35:36 GMT -5
Heard this on KIIS and it sounds great! Stands out because thereβs so much energy to it.
The DJ said βthis is my 2018 jam!β We can only hope.
Then βNew Rulesβ was the next song. I hope this a sign of good music to come in the new year.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Dec 20, 2017 0:03:22 GMT -5
I just feel like the gp loves a good, irreverent jam (see: Bodak Yellow). That's the upside to this as a single.
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Post by djea92 on Dec 20, 2017 22:02:56 GMT -5
Callout scores only matter when they're terrible so they kill a song (LWYMMD, Meghan Trainor's NO, Rihanna's Work). I've found a lot of examples where the song was doing great on callouts and Pop radio still dropped it (No Promises, Rihanna's Needed Me...) Bruh wut...Work went #1 on Rhythmic and #8 on Pop.
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Post by itsaboutart on Dec 21, 2017 6:22:40 GMT -5
This was the wrong choice.
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Post by thescreamqueer on Dec 21, 2017 8:06:21 GMT -5
This was the wrong choice. Not in the States, it isn't. Think about where our nation is at right now. The #MeToo movement, and the sort of feminist icon Kesha has become since coming forward with her story. Right now, more than anything, Kesha is being acknowledged as a figure of inner-strength and empowerment, and I do feel this track perfectly captures her message. She is a strong woman. Always has been, always will be. Right now, the American GP is responding to that. That's what has kept her going strong. She's real, and this song only amplifies that.
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Post by Au$tin on Dec 21, 2017 8:16:15 GMT -5
Callout scores only matter when they're terrible so they kill a song (LWYMMD, Meghan Trainor's NO, Rihanna's Work). I've found a lot of examples where the song was doing great on callouts and Pop radio still dropped it (No Promises, Rihanna's Needed Me...) Bruh wut...Work went #1 on Rhythmic and #8 on Pop. Well, first off, they were only referring to pop, not rhythmic. Its call out scores for rhythmic were fine. Its call out scores for pop were bad, and that's why it went from nice gains to a full stop out of nowhere. #8 for a huge hit like Work and an enormous pop act like Rihanna was not great. It had a quick peak and a quick fall on pop due to those scores. The only reason it made it so high here was on her name alone. This by no means suggests that I think the song performed poorly, because clearly it did not! Work was massive in the areas where people actually enjoyed it. Pop radio wasn't one of those areas, though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 8:42:44 GMT -5
This was the wrong choice. Not in the States, it isn't. Think about where our nation is at right now. The #MeToo movement, and the sort of feminist icon Kesha has become since coming forward with her story. Right now, more than anything, Kesha is being acknowledged as a figure of inner-strength and empowerment, and I do feel this track perfectly captures her message. She is a strong woman. Always has been, always will be. Right now, the American GP is responding to that. That's what has kept her going strong. She's real, and this song only amplifies that. I like the angle here and I hope you're right. I don't think it's the wrong choice - in general I agree it's a great choice. I'm just not as confident about this particular song/production (apart from thematics/me too movement you spoke of) doing well in pop radio's current landscape. I like it and I hope it works out, but I'm not going to be surprised if it doesn't perform well. Pop girls - specifically her contemporaries - aren't having the greatest of times at pop radio lately. I think 'Praying' struck a chord with its real life drama and powerful delivery/production - and framed as a long-time-coming comeback response record - so it worked. 'Woman' is arguably more in line with typical brash Kesha that people are accustomed to, which strangely may work against her/it at this point. Not because it's not good and a worthy smash, but because of where pop radio and its audience are right now. I could see it going either way. *Praying* it succeeds - it's a jam and her album is great. I'm team Kesha all day.
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Post by vsw on Dec 21, 2017 9:15:45 GMT -5
Hopefully this does good. Not too optimistic, tho.
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Post by collin on Dec 21, 2017 15:40:49 GMT -5
I'd say that's being pretty pessimistic. The Grammy's are right around the corner and there's a very good chance she can bag a performance on that stage, considering she's nominated. Radio is also very likely to give a new Kesha single a shot considering HAC and T40 both just supported Praying way more than anyone thought they would... and this time it's an upbeat song. It's an upbeat song, but this isn't 2015. It doesn't sound like anything on radio, and Ke$ha isn't in the position to be pushing boundaries right now. And Praying did sound like something on the radio? Smack dab in the middle of summer? This isn't really valid. Anyways, Woman would not sound out of place on airwaves, imo. I mean, the early reception is already good, and the social message of the song would be striking at exactly the right time.
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Post by collin on Dec 21, 2017 15:43:10 GMT -5
This was the wrong choice. Learn To Let Go would have definitely been a worse choice. 100%. I don't know how anyone sees any smashing capability in that song.
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Post by upsidedown on Dec 21, 2017 16:29:15 GMT -5
302 102 KESHA Woman f/Dap-Kings 45 5 40 0.827
10 stations already on!
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Post by djea92 on Dec 21, 2017 16:32:19 GMT -5
Learn to Let Go and this are both wrong lol. Hymn should have been 2nd then close the era.
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Post by upsidedown on Dec 21, 2017 16:35:26 GMT -5
Learn to Let Go and this are both wrong lol. Hymn should have been 2nd then close the era. Why would they close the era after 2 singles? That makes no sense.
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Post by djea92 on Dec 21, 2017 16:37:02 GMT -5
Learn to Let Go and this are both wrong lol. Hymn should have been 2nd then close the era. Why would they close the era after 2 singles? That makes no sense. Because nothing else is radio friendly.
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Post by g8erboi on Dec 21, 2017 16:37:58 GMT -5
Wow, thatβs a lot of audience for only 45 spins, damn!
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Post by upsidedown on Dec 21, 2017 16:39:23 GMT -5
Wow, thatβs a lot of audience for only 45 spins, damn! KIIS is VERY high on this already. A really good sign.
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Post by Envoirment on Dec 21, 2017 16:50:24 GMT -5
It's #889 on iTunes - already appearing with the limited spins its getting. A good sign for the song. Hope it'll do well!
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Post by Dylan :) on Dec 21, 2017 17:01:50 GMT -5
Hymn is so boring. Its chorus is like a boring Team and it would never be a hit in 2017/2018 (or maybe ever). The second part of the chorus with "hymn, hymn, hymn, live, live, live" kills any energy the song had (which was next to none). If it wasn't going to be Learn To Let Go, this is the best choice
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Post by upsidedown on Dec 21, 2017 17:03:53 GMT -5
Correct If I'm wrong, but this doesn't even have an adds date right?
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 21, 2017 17:32:55 GMT -5
I donβt get the love for Hymn at all. Itβs literally my least favourite track on the album and that includes Bastards and Godzilla, which I actually really like.
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