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Post by brady47 on Jan 13, 2018 15:57:39 GMT -5
Isn't "Look What You Made Me Do" on the same tier of success with "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together"? (maybe a bit less successful - both were in the 30s for the year end charts).
Both were moderate successful #1s - but it wasn't an underperformance like "Hold It Against Me" (#60 year end).
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Post by Golden Bluebird on Jan 13, 2018 16:17:38 GMT -5
Isn't "Look What You Made Me Do" on the same tier of success with "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together"? (maybe a bit less successful - both were in the 30s for the year end charts). Both were moderate successful #1s - but it wasn't an underperformance like "Hold It Against Me" (#60 year end). Here's how WANEGBT performed: 72-1-1-2-1-2-4-4-5-5-4-11-5-7-9-11-15-25-27-29-17-25-39-46 And here's how LWYMMD is performing so far: 77-1-1-1-3-3-5-4-10-25-34-37-31-44-60-72-70-76-66-55 |
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Post by chartslovergermany on Jan 13, 2018 16:20:33 GMT -5
guys everyone should talk about havana,not about end game and look what you made me do (but i love taylor too😂)
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 13, 2018 16:25:09 GMT -5
Isn't "Look What You Made Me Do" on the same tier of success with "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together"? (maybe a bit less successful - both were in the 30s for the year end charts). Both were moderate successful #1s - but it wasn't an underperformance like "Hold It Against Me" (#60 year end). Only yearend charts don't matter if a song is released later in the year compared to another song. Unless all three songs you're talking about were released at the same point in their year, this point is moot. |
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Post by Gary on Jan 13, 2018 16:31:42 GMT -5
I'll will go one further, year end charts are fine if the songs being compared were released in the same year and both completed chart runs.
Comparison of songs in different years doesn't work
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Post by brady47 on Jan 13, 2018 18:17:56 GMT -5
"We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together' was a slightly bigger hit than "Look What You Made Me Do", none of those were on the level of Blank Space/Shake It Off, but at least "Look What You Made Me Do" wasn't a major underperformance like "Hold It Against Me".
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Post by brady47 on Jan 13, 2018 18:23:03 GMT -5
I'll will go one further, year end charts are fine if the songs being compared were released in the same year and both completed chart runs. Comparison of songs in different years doesn't work Of course it's not perfect, but it's an alright way to compare year to year performances, especially considering that Billboard does decade end charts despite there being no perfect way to do so. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 13, 2018 22:38:34 GMT -5
"We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together' was a slightly bigger hit than "Look What You Made Me Do", none of those were on the level of Blank Space/Shake It Off, but at least "Look What You Made Me Do" wasn't a major underperformance like "Hold It Against Me". One big difference is "WANEGBT" furthered the crossover momentum she had going, whereas "LWYMMD" was essentially a hit because of her momentum and ended up decreasing her momentum. So, in context, "WANEGBT" was a much bigger hit. Plus "LWYMMD" fell pretty much every week after its release, except for a small bump with year-end stuff, whereas "WANEGBT" had a decent run in the top 10 (13 weeks vs 8 for LWYMMD). |
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Post by forg on Jan 14, 2018 0:18:14 GMT -5
LOVE STORY will be 10 years old this year. I consider Love Story Taylor's pop breakout so she's been in the chart game for a awhile already,slowing down was inevitable. But yeah kinda a crucial era for her future pop success but Taylor Swift is business savvy so I wouldn't count her out yet. Her next album though she'll be in her 30s, so I wonder what direction will she go by then especially since so far this era is not really giving her that much momentum
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Post by brady47 on Jan 14, 2018 1:03:57 GMT -5
I don't think Taylor Swift was aiming for huge commercial success with this album - she already got that with 1989. She could've easily made another 1989 with pop bops, but she went a different route which I respect. Just like Rihanna did with Rated R. The fact that she is so big 11 years into her career is amazing.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 14, 2018 8:57:53 GMT -5
"Finesse" has really fallen in sales the past few days.
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Post by Golden Bluebird on Jan 14, 2018 9:12:56 GMT -5
kworb.net/airadio/*** = Dropped or added a format Overall AI (Top 20) - 01/14/20181. (=) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (195.740) (+1.051) 2. (=) CAMILA CABELLO - Havana f/Young Thug (185.967) (-0.658) 3. (=) HALSEY - Bad At Love (143.946) (+1.403) 4. (=) POST MALONE - Rockstar f/21 Savage (138.222) (+0.047) 5. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Thunder (123.268) (-0.974) 6. (+1) DUA LIPA - New Rules (123.227) (+1.740) 7. (-1) SAM SMITH - Too Good At Goodbyes (122.632) (+0.724) 8. (=) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (95.636) (-2.164) 9. (=) KENDRICK LAMAR - LOVE. (88.838) (+0.049) 10. (=) CHARLIE PUTH - How Long (86.230) (+0.578) 11. (=) SHAWN MENDES - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back (84.521) (+0.330) 12. (=) MAROON 5 - What Lovers Do f/SZA (81.396) (-2.746) 13. (=) DEMI LOVATO - Sorry Not Sorry (72.543) (-0.716) 14. (=) G-EAZY - No Limit f/A$AP Rocky, Cardi B (71.708) (-0.553) 15. (=) CHARLIE PUTH - Attention (71.203) (-0.872) 16. (+1) MAREN MORRIS - I Could Use A Love Song (68.519) (+0.335) 17. (+3) MAX - Lights Down Low (67.689) (+0.993) 18. (-2) BRETT YOUNG - Like I Loved You (67.413) (-1.215) 19. (-1) TAYLOR SWIFT - End Game f/Ed Sheeran/Future (67.234) (+0.052) 20. (-1) P!NK - What About Us (65.977) (-1.087) Outside the Top 20: 23. (+3) BRUNO MARS & CARDI B - Finesse (64.903) (+4.207) 25. (=) NF - Let You Down (63.573) (+1.211) 27. (+1) MIGOS - MotorSport f/N. Minaj & Cardi (59.352) (+1.109)
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Post by Golden Bluebird on Jan 14, 2018 10:22:51 GMT -5
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 14, 2018 10:27:36 GMT -5
So, "Shape of You" will get 1-2 'extra' weeks.
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Post by Harx on Jan 14, 2018 10:36:58 GMT -5
So this could finally be the week NR goes top 10? Good
Of all the songs Bebe Rexha has released, "Meant to be" becoming a hit feels so random
Is Never Be The Same lagging behind? It should shoot up next week bc of album release right
Also bye Gummo!
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jan 14, 2018 10:39:21 GMT -5
Isn't "Look What You Made Me Do" on the same tier of success with "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together"? (maybe a bit less successful - both were in the 30s for the year end charts). Both were moderate successful #1s - but it wasn't an underperformance like "Hold It Against Me" (#60 year end). Only yearend charts don't matter if a song is released later in the year compared to another song. Unless all three songs you're talking about were released at the same point in their year, this point is moot. "WANEGBT" - released August 13th, 2012 "LWYMMD" - released August 24th, 2017 "HIAM" - released January 11th, 2011 His point about Taylor's two singles had a bit of merit. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 14, 2018 10:43:48 GMT -5
Only yearend charts don't matter if a song is released later in the year compared to another song. Unless all three songs you're talking about were released at the same point in their year, this point is moot. "WANEGBT" - released August 13th, 2012 "LWYMMD" - released August 24th, 2017 "HIAM" - released January 11th, 2011 His point about Taylor's two singles had a bit of merit. For those two songs the year-end positions speak as much to out of the gate popularity as anything. How did each do on the chart's counting toward the next chart year? "WANEGBT" held up better. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jan 14, 2018 10:50:21 GMT -5
"WANEGBT" - released August 13th, 2012 "LWYMMD" - released August 24th, 2017 "HIAM" - released January 11th, 2011 His point about Taylor's two singles had a bit of merit. For those two songs the year-end positions speak as much to out of the gate popularity as anything. How did each do on the chart's counting toward the next chart year? "WANEGBT" held up better. Lol. You honestly think "WANEGBT" held up well enough from nearly its fifth month charting onward to make for a massive difference between the two? I never argued the former lead didn't have the edge on longevity, but all in all they have comparable success once you factor in "LWYMMD" and its video success (which bolstered its streaming). For instance the video for "WANEGBT" has 500 million streams after six years. "LWYMMD" has over 820 million in five months. Btw: "WANEGBT" didn't rank in the 2013 year-end Hot 100. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 14, 2018 10:58:25 GMT -5
Speaking of streaming, how have Billboard's own rules for chart tabulating changed between the two time periods?
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Post by GP on Jan 14, 2018 10:59:01 GMT -5
Overall AI (Top 20) - 01/14/20185. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Thunder (123.268) (-0.974) 6. (+1) DUA LIPA - New Rules (123.227) (+1.740) Thank god for Pop radio!! Get that top 5 Dua! |
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Post by renaboss on Jan 14, 2018 12:46:24 GMT -5
We're expecting the top 10 to come out today at the same usual time, right? I'm confused right now cos of the date changes and last week's apparent delay.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 14, 2018 12:48:22 GMT -5
We're expecting the top 10 to come out today at the same usual time, right? I'm confused right now cos of the date changes and last week's apparent delay. The top 10 has never come out on Sunday. |
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Post by rimetm on Jan 14, 2018 12:58:05 GMT -5
The reveal's on Tuesday due to Martin Luther King Jr. Day, with the chart itself out on Wednesday.
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Post by renaboss on Jan 14, 2018 13:16:23 GMT -5
We're expecting the top 10 to come out today at the same usual time, right? I'm confused right now cos of the date changes and last week's apparent delay. The top 10 has never come out on Sunday. I feel stupid right now. xD I keep thinking today is Monday, I have no idea why.  |
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Post by 85la on Jan 14, 2018 16:21:47 GMT -5
Speaking of streaming, how have Billboard's own rules for chart tabulating changed between the two time periods? In 2012, Billboard included fewer streaming services in its panel (most notably Spotify and YouTube), streaming numbers were much lower, and it was also weighed much less, making up maybe around 10-20% of a typical song's chart points (but don't quote me on those exact percentages). Interestingly though, WANEGBT wasn't available on any streaming services that contributed to the Hot 100, I think for its entire run. |
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Post by chartslovergermany on Jan 14, 2018 16:25:58 GMT -5
guys i think it’s enough to talk about taylor swift.I love her but WANEGBT is in the wrong thread.We should talk about New Rules,Love,Havana,Perfect and rockstar and end game
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 16:35:02 GMT -5
The top 10 has never come out on Sunday. I feel stupid right now. xD I keep thinking today is Monday, I have no idea why.  Monday is Martin Luther King Day so i have a feeling the hot 100 will be delayed this week. |
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Post by jebsib on Jan 14, 2018 16:42:09 GMT -5
I think some Monday holidays are not delayed for some reason?
However, the Hot 100 was delayed last year for this holiday.
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Post by brady47 on Jan 14, 2018 17:07:00 GMT -5
I want Havana to pull a Starboy and hit #1 so badly.
It's actually doing so well on all 3 metrics (top 3 on each).
And it's a huge global smash - it's basically hit #1 or #2 in every major international country including Germany which is extremely hard to break in. Even Miley, Selena, Ariana and Demi don't have international hits like Havana.
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Post by chartslovergermany on Jan 14, 2018 17:22:40 GMT -5
I want Havana to pull a Starboy and hit #1 so badly. It's actually doing so well on all 3 metrics (top 3 on each). And it's a huge global smash - it's basically hit #1 or #2 in every major international country including Germany which is extremely hard to break in. Even Miley, Selena, Ariana and Demi don't have international hits like Havana. in germany havana got blocked by Bausa a very popular new artist.It was 5weeks i think at number 2,but hit 1 at radio. As i can tell you as a german,everyone is loving havana here(The people are singing it always on the streets,mall and in the underground 😂.Miley is not very popular here anymore since wrecking ball.Selena is very very popular.It ain‘t me even hit number 2 and was behind SOY😑. Ariana is not that popular like selena but many people are loving her.She‘s so cuuuute❤️.But i think she haven’t got an big hit like selena or camila.As i remember Problem ft Iggy azelea didn‘t reached the top 20.Demi is also an very cool artist but she’s not that popular like in the us(uk).I love her newer songs but nobody here gives a ....about her music and that’s very sad😪 Popularity in Germany Camila Cabello(9/10 Selena Gomez (7-8/10) Ariana Grande (5/10) Miley Cyrus (3-4/10) Demi Lovato (3/10) Why am i writing so much 😂😂😂 My longest post ever Havana to #1 in US please👍🏼 |
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