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Post by Enigma. on Apr 26, 2020 4:52:48 GMT -5
It's obviously another minor radio hit of hers that will be recognized in 8 years time like G.U.Y. and Judas
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Post by Az Paynter on Apr 26, 2020 8:18:13 GMT -5
Final update, obvs.
POP: 11 15 LADY GAGA Stupid Love 7605 8756 -1151 26.324
-394 Spins -435 Bullet -2.035 Audience
HOT AC: 9 9 LADY GAGA Stupid Love 3606 3663 -57 16.557
-41 Spins -57 Bullet -0.443 Audience
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 26, 2020 9:03:36 GMT -5
But to say even Madonna didn't struggle after a certain point on pop radio isn't really accurate either. She was a constant presence up until 2001ish or so and then was spotty after that but her last #1 on pop radio was Take A Bow in 1995, 12 years into her career. After that, she would get close with Music at #2 in 2000 but other than that, she only had six top 5 hits after Take A Bow were You'll See (1996), Frozen (1998), Music (2000), Don't Tell Me (2001), Die Another Day (2002) and 4 Minutes (2008). There's a clear divide in her charting abilities: before 1995 and after 1995. In 1995, she turned 37. And Gaga hasn’t had a top 10 hit on pop radio since 2013, when she was 27. So this comparison between her and Madonna on the airplay charts is just not adding up. The point of the discussion was that women on the pop charts face an uphill battle as they age. Someone (you? I don’t remember) said Madonna didn’t face that and I said she did. That’s it. I wasn’t making a comparison. Obviously Gaga has a different career trajectory than Madonna so obviously the comparison isn’t going to add up. Comparing the two stopped being relevant or even cute in 2012.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 26, 2020 9:08:58 GMT -5
For me, when looking at this song, despite it not being huge on pop radio, I would still consider it a success. Compared to her past hits, obviously not as big but it exceeded my initial expectations on all fronts. I do believe the Covid situation did hamper it based on the type of promo Gaga had planned and I’m sure others will disagree but Gaga is pretty meticulous so once everything came down the pipe, she just kind of switched gears into other priorities, which is fine. I don’t think the single would have done much better than it did leak-wise but I think it could have had better longevity (since the bottom seems to be falling out now). The priority for me is a good album and then if that’s what we get, I’ll concern myself with how well it does but for me when it comes to music I like, success is always secondary so trying to rub my face in chart positions is always a waste of time. Look at my signature. I’m satisfied with the sound and performance of Stupid Love all around. Good show! Bring on the next single and the album next.
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Post by Kologne on Apr 26, 2020 9:22:28 GMT -5
And Gaga hasn’t had a top 10 hit on pop radio since 2013, when she was 27. So this comparison between her and Madonna on the airplay charts is just not adding up. The point of the discussion was that women on the pop charts face an uphill battle as they age. Someone (you? I don’t remember) said Madonna didn’t face that and I said she did. That’s it. I wasn’t making a comparison. Obviously Gaga has a different career trajectory than Madonna so obviously the comparison isn’t going to add up. Comparing the two stopped being relevant or even cute in 2012. I am not really knowledgeable on that but don't men face ageism too? I don't have contemporary examples of male pop stars still scoring hits in their forties in mind (unlike Madonna)
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 26, 2020 9:24:42 GMT -5
These are not probably going to improve so here are the chart positions for Stupid Love as per Wikipedia:
El Salvador 1 Hungary 1 Scotland 1 Croatia 2 Latvia 4 UK 5 US 5 Ireland 6 Switzerland 6 Australia 7 Canada 7 Czech Republic 7 Israel 8 Bulgaria 9 Lithuania 9 Greece 10 Costa Rica 11 Estonia 11 Belgium (Wallonia) 12 Lebanon 13 Slovakia13 Finland 14 Ecuador 15 Italy 15 Bolivia 16 Austria 17 Panama 17 Belgium (Flanders) 20 Singapore 20 Germany 21 Norway 22 Mexico 23 New Zealand 23 Portugal 23 Sweden 24 Slovakia 29 France 36 Argentina 42 Japan 48 Spain 50 Czech Republic 51 Poland 51 Netherlands 56
I have highlighted the ones where I think it performed better than I thought and italicized the ones where it did worse than expected.
Bottom line is, that I thought it'd perform a bit better on charts in Europe than it actually did, but on the other had, it did super well on her key markets like UK, US and Australia. And of course she had Shallow to accompany this all the time (or maybe it was other way around, that this assisted Shallow lol).
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 26, 2020 11:19:24 GMT -5
The point of the discussion was that women on the pop charts face an uphill battle as they age. Someone (you? I don’t remember) said Madonna didn’t face that and I said she did. That’s it. I wasn’t making a comparison. Obviously Gaga has a different career trajectory than Madonna so obviously the comparison isn’t going to add up. Comparing the two stopped being relevant or even cute in 2012. I am not really knowledgeable on that but don't men face ageism too? I don't have contemporary examples of male pop stars still scoring hits in their forties in mind (unlike Madonna) Yeah but I don't think it occurs until later for men. It's more uncommon for women in their 40s to make the chart whereas men continue into their 40s. Jay-Z, David Guetta instantly come to mind. I should also clarify that I personally don't think older/more established artists not charting well on CHR radio is exactly an example of agism. At least not in the way the word should be used. CHR/Pop caters to a younger audience and as artists themselves get older, or step through their own career, they're less likely to target younger demographics. There comes a point when artists simply move on from pop radio. Meanwhile, as radio listeners age, they themselves also move on from pop radio as radio stations keep targetting people 18-35 or 18-29 or whatever it is. So as new generations emerge, they're not going to want to listen to the same artists as their older siblings or parents listened to. That's why artists on pop radio don't commonly have lengthy lives on pop radio. Obviously there are exceptions: Madonna, Mariah, for example. But for the most part, artists need to adapt beyond the capabilities of appealing to pop radio audiences and that's why Gaga's performance on pop radio at this point doesn't bother me.
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 26, 2020 11:32:00 GMT -5
Adam Levine is 41 and he just had a huge pop radio hit, the ageism hasn't hit him yet.
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Post by Kologne on Apr 26, 2020 11:53:53 GMT -5
I am not really knowledgeable on that but don't men face ageism too? I don't have contemporary examples of male pop stars still scoring hits in their forties in mind (unlike Madonna) Yeah but I don't think it occurs until later for men. It's more uncommon for women in their 40s to make the chart whereas men continue into their 40s. Jay-Z, David Guetta instantly come to mind. I should also clarify that I personally don't think older/more established artists not charting well on CHR radio is exactly an example of agism. At least not in the way the word should be used. CHR/Pop caters to a younger audience and as artists themselves get older, or step through their own career, they're less likely to target younger demographics. There comes a point when artists simply move on from pop radio. Meanwhile, as radio listeners age, they themselves also move on from pop radio as radio stations keep targetting people 18-35 or 18-29 or whatever it is. So as new generations emerge, they're not going to want to listen to the same artists as their older siblings or parents listened to. That's why artists on pop radio don't commonly have lengthy lives on pop radio. Obviously there are exceptions: Madonna, Mariah, for example. But for the most part, artists need to adapt beyond the capabilities of appealing to pop radio audiences and that's why Gaga's performance on pop radio at this point doesn't bother me. Then I totally agree! It would be oversimplification to explain the "underperformance" of artists with age. The problem (if that's one) is just a change of demographics. That's why I think Gaga could thrive if she tries to cater the HAC/AC audiences, as her latest singles did very fine there. But if that is not her artistic vision nor what she wants to do, that is fine too - but performances like this should be expected indeed. And for Guetta, I don't think his age really mattered, because he is a DJ... He had hot young artists featured to create the appeal he does not have on his own.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 12:21:54 GMT -5
Adam Levine is 41 and he just had a huge pop radio hit, the ageism hasn't hit him yet. Cause Maroon 5 cater to basic sounds, the Beckys, and the soccer moms M5 have no done anything outside of their comfort zone in forever, and radio rewards them kindly Its sexism to a degree given that female artists always seem to struggle past a certain age but M5 is able to constantly get away with doing the bare minimum I mean Sugar is a literal copy of Katy Perry's Birthday and What Lovers Do is a literal copy of Sexual by Neiked
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Post by bat1990 on Apr 26, 2020 13:01:05 GMT -5
I actually think ageist sexism is the norm and the longer careers of Madonna, Janet, Mariah, and Whitney were the exception brought about by the advent of Soundscan. E.g. Diana Ross, Tina Turner, Cher, Donna Summer, Stevie Nicks, Pat Benatar and many other pre-Soundscan successful females saw Pop Radio turn on them in 10-15 years or less.
However the list I gave got very lucky that Soundscan proved how marketable they still were and gave them all second winds that the vast majority of female artists get.
ALL THAT SAID, I think the above lifespans are wrong and sexist, controlled by white male music execs with lolita fetishes and that women could have much more longevity at radio if there was more parity across the entire music industry (in the recording studio and corporate/exec positions) because I don't believe the public is as ageist as pop radio would have us believe.
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 26, 2020 13:09:10 GMT -5
Part of the "problem" is also that even us here glorify the success of younger artists on pop and rhythmic radio and suddenly start to think that the success that more veteran artists achieve is some way "lesser success" (sold out stadium tours, number one albums year after year, AC hits etc).
The careers of Elton John and Madonna in terms of Hot 100 just don't seem possible any more.
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Post by Kologne on Apr 26, 2020 14:52:45 GMT -5
Part of the "problem" is also that even us here glorify the success of younger artists on pop and rhythmic radio and suddenly start to think that the success that more veteran artists achieve is some way "lesser success" (sold out stadium tours, number one albums year after year, AC hits etc). The careers of Elton John and Madonna in terms of Hot 100 just don't seem possible any more. I think that what is celebrated is the cultural impact hot artists have right now - not really the fact that artists score big hits on this format or the Hot100. Veteran artists have no problem selling out tours to the same small number of fans, but that does not mean that they are part of the on-going bigger conversation. Their impact belongs to yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 15:09:11 GMT -5
The core listener base at pop radio has shrunken considerably over the years. Pop radio had a much wider core demo in the 80’s, less so in the 90’s but still far wider than today... and then got to a point it was primarily targeting girls/women in their teens and early 20’s. So it makes sense why a pop act in their 30’s who has been around a decade is “old” now but there were plenty of pop stars in their 30’s and some even in their 40’s if you go back to past decades. There are high schoolers who were in diapers when Gaga broke through.. they don’t view her as one of the acts of their generation. Many of the people who were listening to Gaga on pop radio when she was at her peak have since moved on from pop radio. It doesn’t mean she or other acts who have been around a long time can’t have a pop hit, but it’s an uphill battle at this point.
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Post by spiritboy on Apr 26, 2020 15:26:36 GMT -5
What i hate about radios these days is that they don't give the songs a chance if it was released by certain artists or female artists over 30-35. Maybe public/listeners will like the song? Why kill them before they even got to chance to be heard?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 26, 2020 17:40:34 GMT -5
The core listener base at pop radio has shrunken considerably over the years. Pop radio had a much wider core demo in the 80’s, less so in the 90’s but still far wider than today... and then got to a point it was primarily targeting girls/women in their teens and early 20’s. So it makes sense why a pop act in their 30’s who has been around a decade is “old” now but there were plenty of pop stars in their 30’s and some even in their 40’s if you go back to past decades. There are high schoolers who were in diapers when Gaga broke through.. they don’t view her as one of the acts of their generation. Many of the people who were listening to Gaga on pop radio when she was at her peak have since moved on from pop radio. It doesn’t mean she or other acts who have been around a long time can’t have a pop hit, but it’s an uphill battle at this point. Pretty much. These days, how people get their music is much more segmented than it was 20+ years ago. In the late 90s, you could listen to radio or look at the pop chart and see a range of artists from teens to artists in their 50s with 30+ years of making music. Obviously the charts always skew younger but in the second half of the 90s, songs by Rod Stewart, the Bee Gees, Bryan Adams, Aerosmith, Elton John, Barbra Streisand, Bruce Springsteen, and Cher hit the chart. Granted, most of those didn't do super well, but to see an artist from the 70s reach the Top 40 or Top 30 wasn't out of the ordinary. Nowadays, to see an artist from the late 90s or early 2000s chart is abnormal. It's not completely unheard of: J-Lo, for example, hit #30 last year and her first hit was in 1999, and Maroon 5's first hit was 2003 and they're still topping the chart with ease. But they're seemingly less common. That Gaga struggles to make Top 20 and has been for a bit isn't really strange nor is it a sign that she 'doesn't have it anymore' or isn't delivering. Pop radio is one measurement of popularity but isn't the only one. Shallow was a career-defining hit. She's become an essential touring artist. She's still one of the biggest draws in music. She's just not a pop radio staple anymore.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Apr 26, 2020 18:28:38 GMT -5
Eh, at the end of the day, Gaga added another top 5 to her Hot 100 history. That's more important to me than some #11 CHR stat. There are artists (some commonly brought up in this thread) that have yet to pull off a solo top 5.
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Post by Caviar on Apr 27, 2020 1:22:17 GMT -5
Can we get back to the real queen, Gaga please?
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Post by Glove Slap on Apr 27, 2020 1:40:49 GMT -5
The struggle is real in this thread.
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 27, 2020 3:38:11 GMT -5
The video surpassed 70 million views!
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 28, 2020 4:27:48 GMT -5
Still top 50 on Hot 100 even after the airplay collapsing and DaBaby album bomb.
33 46 Lady Gaga - Stupid Love
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Post by GivesYouHell on Apr 28, 2020 8:27:00 GMT -5
The idea that Pop radio drops female artists when they’re over 30 is ridiculous, it’s the 40s where it becomes a problem.
As already mentioned Madonna and Mariah had multiple hits in their 30s but also Gwen and Fergie smashed with their first solo eras when they were 31/35 and P!nk had multiple Top 10 hits.
When it comes to ageism Pop males have it just as bad. How many successful eras this millennium by male artists over 40 with Top 10 hits as a lead at Pop radio can you name?
Pharrell - GRL Eminem - Marshall Mathers LP 2 Jay Z - Magna Carta Holy Grail Maroon 5 - Memories
Are the only 4 that come to mind and Eminem and Jay Z needed younger artists like Rihanna and JT for a pop hit. Eminem’s last solo Top 10 hit on Pop radio was like 15 years ago.
While Females over 40: Madonna - Music + Die Another Day Madonna - Hard Candy JLO - Love? Sia - This Is Acting
So it’s pretty even.
Gaga isn’t flopping because of ageism she’s flopping because Stupid Love is a terrible dated song. The fact that it even made #11 proves that Pop radio is/was still here for Gaga. If it was better and more current it would’ve gone Top 10 easily.
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Post by kimberly on Apr 28, 2020 9:48:24 GMT -5
The idea that Pop radio drops female artists when they’re over 30 is ridiculous, it’s the 40s where it becomes a problem. When it comes to ageism Pop males have it just as bad. How many successful eras this millennium by male artists over 40 with Top 10 hits as a lead at Pop radio can you name? So it’s pretty even. Gaga isn’t flopping because of ageism she’s flopping because Stupid Love is a terrible dated song. The fact that it even made #11 proves that Pop radio is/was still here for Gaga. If it was better and more current it would’ve gone Top 10 easily. You do realize 3 out of 4 men you put down do not make pop music, right? Pop radio's treatment of women depends on the age they broke through in the industry, as well. Madonna's career really kicked off in her mid to late 20's and she served bops and revolutionary eras back to back, becoming one of the most successful pop acts in history. So of course they didn't drop her in 4 years, they allowed her at the top for a decade or so. One thing you have to realize is that female artists are expected to "reinvent" and have huge, orchestrated "comeback" singles and "promote" everywhere, while these don't apply for the men (or at least not to the same extent). Saying that "men have it as bad" would only be a sign that you hate women / feminism / gender equity in music.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 28, 2020 13:14:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I’d say it’s less about age (in some respects) and more about how long they’ve been around. Sia has been around for ages but she didn’t really break through until 2013ish, when she was late 30s or so.
Isn’t there a thread specifically dedicated to artists who chart past 40? Why don’t we just refer to that?
Referring to the “terrible song” reason. If that were the case for why the song didn’t go higher, explain the even worse songs that do better. That’s never a sound reason for why a song doesn’t do well. I think the discussion from the past few weeks in here have done a good enough job unwrapping things that you’ve offered nothing to the discussion.
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Post by divasummer on Apr 28, 2020 13:41:18 GMT -5
The idea that Pop radio drops female artists when they’re over 30 is ridiculous, it’s the 40s where it becomes a problem. When it comes to ageism Pop males have it just as bad. How many successful eras this millennium by male artists over 40 with Top 10 hits as a lead at Pop radio can you name? So it’s pretty even. Gaga isn’t flopping because of ageism she’s flopping because Stupid Love is a terrible dated song. The fact that it even made #11 proves that Pop radio is/was still here for Gaga. If it was better and more current it would’ve gone Top 10 easily. You do realize 3 out of 4 men you put down do not make pop music, right? Pop radio's treatment of women depends on the age they broke through in the industry, as well. Madonna's career really kicked off in her mid to late 20's and she served bops and revolutionary eras back to back, becoming one of the most successful pop acts in history. So of course they didn't drop her in 4 years, they allowed her at the top for a decade or so. One thing you have to realize is that female artists are expected to "reinvent" and have huge, orchestrated "comeback" singles and "promote" everywhere, while these don't apply for the men (or at least not to the same extent). Saying that "men have it as bad" would only be a sign that you hate women / feminism / gender equity in music. I think it's a combination that almost goes together. BUT I still think it's cheaper for a label to have a newbie at the top of the charts than a veteran who wants there fair share. It all comes down to money sometimes with these older artists. In the US people want to support an older artist but won't listen to them because they will feel old inside. lol It's a messy situation... lol
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Post by kcdawg13 on Apr 28, 2020 13:56:30 GMT -5
The idea that Pop radio drops female artists when they’re over 30 is ridiculous, it’s the 40s where it becomes a problem. When it comes to ageism Pop males have it just as bad. How many successful eras this millennium by male artists over 40 with Top 10 hits as a lead at Pop radio can you name? So it’s pretty even. Gaga isn’t flopping because of ageism she’s flopping because Stupid Love is a terrible dated song. The fact that it even made #11 proves that Pop radio is/was still here for Gaga. If it was better and more current it would’ve gone Top 10 easily. You do realize 3 out of 4 men you put down do not make pop music, right? Pop radio's treatment of women depends on the age they broke through in the industry, as well. Madonna's career really kicked off in her mid to late 20's and she served bops and revolutionary eras back to back, becoming one of the most successful pop acts in history. So of course they didn't drop her in 4 years, they allowed her at the top for a decade or so. One thing you have to realize is that female artists are expected to "reinvent" and have huge, orchestrated "comeback" singles and "promote" everywhere, while these don't apply for the men (or at least not to the same extent). Saying that "men have it as bad" would only be a sign that you hate women / feminism / gender equity in music. Isn't that mostly an issue with stans and not the general public though? Female popstar stans are the ones pushing the narrative of "comeback, reinvent, promote," male popstar stans generally don't care. Maroon 5 doesn't have to reinvent themselves because their general audience doesn't give a s**t, on the other side of the coin if Gaga is making the same thing she did before then the stans talk about it "flopping" because it was the same s**t as always and nothing different. Then when she does something different a la Joanne the stans blame it on being too different. I'm not saying there isn't sexism in the music industry, because there is, but I think the big argument on female artists having to reinvent themselves and have huge comebacks mostly falls on the stans for pushing that narrative. Look at Dua Lipa, stans made fun of her dancing and stage presence and once she "improved" that and came back and reinvented herself it was highly praised by them. I assure you Post Malone doesn't have the same issue, but that's not societies fault that's the fault of the fan. EDIT: Also Justin Bieber has been around almost as long as Gaga and he isn't doing that well either FYI, Timberlake is flopping and Bruno has been away for a while so we'll have to see where his next era takes him, but that's about it for the male popstars. Women basically dominated the charts back in the late 00's and early 10's so there's not a lot of male popstars to compare to. Artists like Post Malone and The Weeknd have only been on Pop radio for a few years now.
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Post by kimberly on Apr 28, 2020 14:18:29 GMT -5
You do realize 3 out of 4 men you put down do not make pop music, right? Pop radio's treatment of women depends on the age they broke through in the industry, as well. Madonna's career really kicked off in her mid to late 20's and she served bops and revolutionary eras back to back, becoming one of the most successful pop acts in history. So of course they didn't drop her in 4 years, they allowed her at the top for a decade or so. One thing you have to realize is that female artists are expected to "reinvent" and have huge, orchestrated "comeback" singles and "promote" everywhere, while these don't apply for the men (or at least not to the same extent). Saying that "men have it as bad" would only be a sign that you hate women / feminism / gender equity in music. Isn't that mostly an issue with stans and not the general public though? Female popstar stans are the ones pushing the narrative of "comeback, reinvent, promote," male popstar stans generally don't care. Maroon 5 doesn't have to reinvent themselves because their general audience doesn't give a s**t, on the other side of the coin if Gaga is making the same thing she did before then the stans talk about it "flopping" because it was the same s**t as always and nothing different. Then when she does something different a la Joanne the stans blame it on being too different. I'm not saying there isn't sexism in the music industry, because there is, but I think the big argument on female artists having to reinvent themselves and have huge comebacks mostly falls on the stans for pushing that narrative. Look at Dua Lipa, stans made fun of her dancing and stage presence and once she "improved" that and came back and reinvented herself it was highly praised by them. I assure you Post Malone doesn't have the same issue, but that's not societies fault that's the fault of the fan. EDIT: Also Justin Bieber has been around almost as long as Gaga and he isn't doing that well either FYI, Timberlake is flopping and Bruno has been away for a while so we'll have to see where his next era takes him, but that's about it for the male popstars. Women basically dominated the charts back in the late 00's and early 10's so there's not a lot of male popstars to compare to. Artists like Post Malone and The Weeknd have only been on Pop radio for a few years now. You are right that male artists didn't have much space in the pop landscape until recently (or they only got 1-2 hits and disappeared). So we don't exactly have a comparison right now besides Maroon 5, who have been around for a very long time, get terrible reviews, yet are always propelled by radio to get gigantic hits no one cares about a year later. The "reinventing" narrative isn't just because of the fanbases, though. Because pop music doesn't have anything to do with fanbases -- it's about the crossover impact, the mass of people you are able to lure into your music. Radio puts a different type of pressure on women -- they have to be nicer in their interviews, they have to share some of their private life, they have to reinvent their sound. I don't even know if Adam Levine ever does radio shows at this point, and if he did, no one would ask him invasive questions. Fanbases, believe it or not, are very small in comparison to the general public. You, I, and everyone on this forum reading this post will be very passionate about music, but most music consumers couldn't give a single fuck about what stans on twitter say about Dua Lipa or Lana Del Rey.
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 28, 2020 14:29:13 GMT -5
Just my two cents... Most of the male artists mentioned here have the urban/rhythmic backing them too. For instance Drake (33 years old) will most likely soon hit the point when pop radio is more reluctant to play his music but urban/rhythmic will continue supporting him for at least a decade no matter what he puts out. Chris Brown seems to be in that phase now.
For pop artists like Gaga, Taylor, Maroon 5 etc, once they lose the "top ten on pop support" the only way to find broader audience is to become AC staples and even then the airplay numbers are smaller than with urban backing. I think it's fair to say that urban-esque male artists are the ones that benefit the current airplay system the most.
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Post by die Lotterie on Apr 28, 2020 14:35:05 GMT -5
The idea that Pop radio drops female artists when they’re over 30 is ridiculous, it’s the 40s where it becomes a problem. As already mentioned Madonna and Mariah had multiple hits in their 30s but also Gwen and Fergie smashed with their first solo eras when they were 31/35 and P!nk had multiple Top 10 hits. When it comes to ageism Pop males have it just as bad. How many successful eras this millennium by male artists over 40 with Top 10 hits as a lead at Pop radio can you name? Pharrell - GRL Eminem - Marshall Mathers LP 2 Jay Z - Magna Carta Holy Grail Maroon 5 - Memories Are the only 4 that come to mind and Eminem and Jay Z needed younger artists like Rihanna and JT for a pop hit. Eminem’s last solo Top 10 hit on Pop radio was like 15 years ago. While Females over 40: Madonna - Music + Die Another Day Madonna - Hard Candy JLO - Love? Sia - This Is Acting So it’s pretty even. Gaga isn’t flopping because of ageism she’s flopping because Stupid Love is a terrible dated song. The fact that it even made #11 proves that Pop radio is/was still here for Gaga. If it was better and more current it would’ve gone Top 10 easily. Regarding female artists, the most recent example you have given is Sia, and that's apples and oranges. Radio is not the same as it was with the other rare exceptions you have given which happened 20, 12, and 9 years ago.
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