Lady Gaga – Seventh Album

[Enigma.]

Harlequin debuts at #20 in the US.

Some of the physicals (her store sales) were shipped already this week. The official release date is 11th (global release).

[bat1990]

Listening to Harlequin made me want a Christmas album from her.

[Enigma.]

Oh yes, that'd be brilliant! She already has the EP but it's so short

...

39% of the people who went to see Joker 2 went because of Gaga. GUEEN!

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[Choco]

Opening weekend fell from estimated $40M to $37.8M. Sunday in particular dropped below the midnight numbers from Friday. 💀 Honestly this might just be karma for WB which has shelved multiple finished films for tax writte offs while they didn't even screen test this to inflate Todd Phillips' ego.

[Elusive Chanteuse]

Oct 7, 2024 8:15:36 GMT -5 holdmecloser255 said:

Oct 7, 2024 7:57:05 GMT -5 bat1990 said:

I know this film is based on a comic book property, but I don't think it fair to compare to big, action-packed CGI-filled comic book movies. Yes, it's going to underperform relative to its budget but it's also not a colossal failure, just an underperformance and disappointment.

An "underperformance" is something like "The House of Gucci." It secured respectable numbers, but it failed short of generating a profit due to its marketing budget. Joker 2 is a thermonuclear bomb, not an underperformance. It is likely to end up on the list of the biggest box office bombs of all time alongside "The Lone Ranger" and "The Marvels."   

Girl, get a grip. We get it. You hate Gaga, let’s move on. Why are you incessantly trying to bombard and derail this thread which is supposed to be for her fanbase. It’s giving…obsessed.

[Elusive Chanteuse]

Oct 7, 2024 12:32:53 GMT -5 Choco said:

Opening weekend fell from estimated $40M to $37.8M. Sunday in particular dropped below the midnight numbers from Friday. 💀 Honestly this might just be karma for WB which has shelved multiple finished films for tax writte offs while they didn't even screen test this to inflate Todd Phillips' ego.

I was just thinking that! The way Batgirl and Coyote vs. Acme were both testing astoundingly well but shelved for tax write offs and this one bombed completely. It’s kinda funny because I would’ve LOVED to see these two. As much as I love Gaga, I wasn’t even much of a fan of the first film so I’m not really in any rush to see the second.

I’m just more excited about the LG7 lead coming later this month!

[shakemaki]

Oct 7, 2024 12:32:53 GMT -5 Choco said:

Opening weekend fell from estimated $40M to $37.8M. Sunday in particular dropped below the midnight numbers from Friday. 💀 Honestly this might just be karma for WB which has shelved multiple finished films for tax writte offs while they didn't even screen test this to inflate Todd Phillips' ego.

It is a candidate to usurp The Marvels as the biggest box office bomb of all time given they have about the same budget and this is somehow starting even worse than that at the box office with seemingly worse reception based on audience rating metrics. Ughhhh, I legit had Oscar hopes for her with this one too #lol

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Oct 7, 2024 12:57:51 GMT -5 Elusive Chanteuse said:

Oct 7, 2024 8:15:36 GMT -5 holdmecloser255 said:

An "underperformance" is something like "The House of Gucci." It secured respectable numbers, but it failed short of generating a profit due to its marketing budget. Joker 2 is a thermonuclear bomb, not an underperformance. It is likely to end up on the list of the biggest box office bombs of all time alongside "The Lone Ranger" and "The Marvels."   

Girl, get a grip. We get it. You hate Gaga, let’s move on. Why are you incessantly trying to bombard and derail this thread which is supposed to be for her fanbase. It’s giving…obsessed.

To be fair, it’s not a fan board so everyone can contribute, but no lies spotted with the rest. It is giving obsessed. It’s curious how passionate Gaga haters are by how forceful they are to give twisted tales of why everything that flops is because of Gaga and that her career is finished. She’s been finished since mid-2011. Longest career-end-in-progress ever.

[shakemaki]

On an aside: with DWAS smashing the hell out of streaming around the globe and if LG7 is a knockout punch from her, I wonder if this would strongly deter her from acting for awhile and she’d mainly focus on music? I kinda would be ok with that, ngl. Her days with true hitmaker potential are limited to like 5 more years tops if we’re being realistic.

[Push The Button]

Oct 7, 2024 13:07:46 GMT -5 shakemaki said:

Oct 7, 2024 12:32:53 GMT -5 Choco said:

Opening weekend fell from estimated $40M to $37.8M. Sunday in particular dropped below the midnight numbers from Friday. 💀 Honestly this might just be karma for WB which has shelved multiple finished films for tax writte offs while they didn't even screen test this to inflate Todd Phillips' ego.

It is a candidate to usurp The Marvels as the biggest box office bomb of all time given they have about the same budget and this is somehow starting even worse than that at the box office with seemingly worse reception based on audience rating metrics. Ughhhh, I legit had Oscar hopes for her with this one too #lol

This cost about $80 million less than the Marvels, which grossed $206 million worldwide. Joker 2 opened with $120 million globally and still has a few markets left to open, namely China. It will outgross that movie.

That said, it’s going to take a lot to get it to $300 million globally. A huuuge bomb.

While we’re on the topic of the Marvels…at least the Joker is bombing because it took big risks that didn’t pay off. The Marvels was a typical run-of-the-mill Marvel movie and it bombed harder. That is impressive.

[Choco]

Sadly a film led by women isn't a run-of-the-mill Marvel movie. I do think overall that flopped because no one really liked the first Captain Marvel movie, which did amazing numbers mostly because it was sandwiched between the two final Avengers films; it had multiple issues with the script and no one seemed to enjoy it past the fact that it was nice to see a femaled led comic book movie doing well.

Joker 2 is like 75% confirmed to outgross that but if legs keep going worse and worse... Right now it might top out around $240M, but that's only a room of $34M for it to fall below that. I was going to say there's no way The Marvels is the biggest bomb ever though, but it seems like it is. Disney had a horrible 2023.

But back to Joker, it needed about $450M to break even. It's gonna need to tank even harder fast for it to lose the $237M The Marvels lost for it's studio.

Gaga was asked if she liked the final cut of the film and seemingly shrugged and sideyed with Joaquin, so probably she kinda knew it was a stinker. I don't think she'll stop acting. There's a reason everyone thought this was gonna be another Oscar nod for her. She's got potential. She does need to read those scripts a few more times before saying yes because House of Gucci and now this both had a good performance by Gaga brought down by a subpar script.

[shakemaki]

Oct 7, 2024 13:30:39 GMT -5 Push The Button said:

Oct 7, 2024 13:07:46 GMT -5 shakemaki said:

It is a candidate to usurp The Marvels as the biggest box office bomb of all time given they have about the same budget and this is somehow starting even worse than that at the box office with seemingly worse reception based on audience rating metrics. Ughhhh, I legit had Oscar hopes for her with this one too #lol

This cost about $80 million less than the Marvels, which grossed $206 million worldwide. Joker 2 opened with $120 million globally and still has a few markets left to open, namely China. It will outgross that movie.

That said, it’s going to take a lot to get it to $300 million globally. A huuuge bomb.

While we’re on the topic of the Marvels…at least the Joker is bombing because it took big risks that didn’t pay off. The Marvels was a typical run-of-the-mill Marvel movie and it bombed harder. That is impressive.

My bad, wiki oddly seems to have two budgets listed for The Marvels ($218 and $275m) and I think I just saw the $218 when I had looked, which is similar to Joker’s. As far as the opening goes, Joker is actually only opening $8m higher worldwide than The Marvels (110 vs 118m). That’s how bad movies plummet after opening weekend if they open bad and are poorly received. And considering all indicators point to this having worse audience reception than The Marvels, it’s not a total reach that it finishes a little lower. China likely will stop that, but China is not a reliable market at all for Hollywood movies post-COVID so maybe not.

Also, on the above comment about Disney’s horrible 2023: not only was The Marvels the biggest box office bomb ever, Wish from last year was right there in the top ten ever with it. So yes, abysmal showing for them.

[Push The Button]

Oct 7, 2024 13:50:11 GMT -5 Choco said:

Sadly a film led by women isn't a run-of-the-mill Marvel movie. I do think overall that flopped because no one really liked the first Captain Marvel movie, which did amazing numbers mostly because it was sandwiched between the two final Avengers films; it had multiple issues with the script and no one seemed to enjoy it past the fact that it was nice to see a femaled led comic book movie doing well.

Joker 2 is like 75% confirmed to outgross that but if legs keep going worse and worse... Right now it might top out around $240M, but that's only a room of $34M for it to fall below that. I was going to say there's no way The Marvels is the biggest bomb ever though, but it seems like it is. Disney had a horrible 2023.

But back to Joker, it needed about $450M to break even. It's gonna need to tank even harder fast for it to lose the $237M The Marvels lost for it's studio.

Gaga was asked if she liked the final cut of the film and seemingly shrugged and sideyed with Joaquin, so probably she kinda knew it was a stinker. I don't think she'll stop acting. There's a reason everyone thought this was gonna be another Oscar nod for her. She's got potential. She does need to read those scripts a few more times before saying yes because House of Gucci and now this both had a good performance by Gaga brought down by a subpar script.

It’s because she works with talent first. House of Gucci was helmed by Ridley Scott and had an A-list cast. Joker 1 grossed a billion and got ten Oscar nominations. She couldn’t predict how it would end up.

[ObhiDonna]

Oct 7, 2024 8:22:09 GMT -5 bat1990 said:

Blocked and reported. Holy fuck

Please can you PM me how to do it? I’ve had enough of this lunatic!

[Enigma.]

Oct 7, 2024 15:51:43 GMT -5 Push The Button said:

Oct 7, 2024 13:50:11 GMT -5 Choco said:

Sadly a film led by women isn't a run-of-the-mill Marvel movie. I do think overall that flopped because no one really liked the first Captain Marvel movie, which did amazing numbers mostly because it was sandwiched between the two final Avengers films; it had multiple issues with the script and no one seemed to enjoy it past the fact that it was nice to see a femaled led comic book movie doing well.

Joker 2 is like 75% confirmed to outgross that but if legs keep going worse and worse... Right now it might top out around $240M, but that's only a room of $34M for it to fall below that. I was going to say there's no way The Marvels is the biggest bomb ever though, but it seems like it is. Disney had a horrible 2023.

But back to Joker, it needed about $450M to break even. It's gonna need to tank even harder fast for it to lose the $237M The Marvels lost for it's studio.

Gaga was asked if she liked the final cut of the film and seemingly shrugged and sideyed with Joaquin, so probably she kinda knew it was a stinker. I don't think she'll stop acting. There's a reason everyone thought this was gonna be another Oscar nod for her. She's got potential. She does need to read those scripts a few more times before saying yes because House of Gucci and now this both had a good performance by Gaga brought down by a subpar script.

It’s because she works with talent first. House of Gucci was helmed by Ridley Scott and had an A-list cast. Joker 1 grossed a billion and got ten Oscar nominations. She couldn’t predict how it would end up.

Exactly, it's unfortunate but she's most likely moving on as we speak. The movie was shot in early 2023 so it hasn't been her true priority in a long time.

The hate train around the movie in the US is ridiculous though. There are people attacking YouTubers and critics who have said that the movie is actually worth watching. It's just insane but I guess we just live in a society.

[NeRD]

Yeah, looks like people are joining the hate train just for shits and giggles at this point.

Reminds me of Glitter.

[Ivy Leegue™]

Oct 7, 2024 17:58:21 GMT -5 ObhiDonna said:

Oct 7, 2024 8:22:09 GMT -5 bat1990 said:

Blocked and reported. Holy fuck

Please can you PM me how to do it? I’ve had enough of this lunatic!

I understand your frustration. I just ask that you be mindful of the words you use in reference to other posters no matter how much they trigger you.

[🇯🇲 dollybaby 🇯🇲]

[avamaxstan]

Why is this thread still titled "Harlequin"? Gaga has already moved on from this bomb and so should we... change it to LG7 now!

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

I keep seeing random posts about Gaga's supposed first single coming out this month. But the most consistent rumour that seems to be popping up is the one about her world tour next year being her biggest one yet and will be accompanied by a greatest hits-type album, which will supposedly be out in December? That doesn't seem to make much sense given her actual album is coming in February. Whoever's made up this rumour needs to give their heads a shake.

[Enigma.]

The "single in October and album in February" came from her directly. Everything else is rumours.

[Dreams]

I somehow doubt they’ll stick to this plan (single in October, album in Feb.) in spite of the info coming straight out of her mouth. We’ll see though.

Re: the film - I haven’t had the chance to go see it yet (prolly this weekend with a girl I work with, who’s a huge fan), so I have no personal opinion on it. About its performance though so far, I have to confess I didn’t realize what a bomb it is, and figured it’s merely all Gaga hate talk online, until I saw the actual stats: this isn’t just a bomb, it’s a fucking massive nuclear bomb. Good God. Having said that, she’s definitely not to blame and there’s no doubt in my mind she (her movie career to be precise) will survive this.

[ObhiDonna]

Oct 8, 2024 11:51:44 GMT -5 Ivy Leegue™ said:

Oct 7, 2024 17:58:21 GMT -5 ObhiDonna said:

Please can you PM me how to do it? I’ve had enough of this lunatic!

I understand your frustration. I just ask that you be mindful of the words you use in reference to other posters no matter how much they trigger you.

Thank you Ivy Leegue™ I shall keep that in mind

[Enigma.]

Oct 9, 2024 9:52:35 GMT -5 Dreams said:

I somehow doubt they’ll stick to this plan (single in October, album in Feb.) in spite of the info coming straight out of her mouth. We’ll see though.

Re: the film - I haven’t had the chance to go see it yet (prolly this weekend with a girl I work with, who’s a huge fan), so I have no personal opinion on it. About its performance though so far, I have to confess I didn’t realize what a bomb it is, and figured it’s merely all Gaga hate talk online, until I saw the actual stats: this isn’t just a bomb, it’s a fucking massive nuclear bomb. Good God. Having said that, she’s definitely not to blame and there’s no doubt in my mind she (her movie career to be precise) will survive this.

I haven't seen much of a Gaga hate but I guess it depends on the social media bubble?

The movie increased 46% on US box office (2.65M) from Monday to Tuesday which is better than The Wild Robot (36%) and Beetlejuice Beetlejuice (44.5%) so I don't think it is that dead yet commercially in the US.

[#LisaRinna]

10/12 Billboard charts

Hot 100
5 6 Die With a Smile

Billboard 200
NE 20 Harlequin
104 108 The Fame

Radio Songs
15 14 Die With a Smile

Digital Songs
9 9 Die with a Smile

Streaming Songs
2 3 Die With a Smile

Top Album Sales
NE 3 Harlequin

Top Current Album Sales
NE 3 Harlequin

Catalog Albums
42 43 The Fame

Soundtracks
13 12 A Star Is Born

Vinyl Albums
NE 3 Harlequin

Pop Airplay
13 12 Die With a Smile

Adult Contemporary
8 7 Die With a Smile

Adult Pop Airplay
11 11 Die With a Smile

Top Dance/Electronic Albums
2 2 The Fame
7 6 Born This Way

Dance Mix/Show Airplay
NE 40 Die With a Smile

[Music Fan]

Oct 9, 2024 11:27:22 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Oct 9, 2024 9:52:35 GMT -5 Dreams said:

I somehow doubt they’ll stick to this plan (single in October, album in Feb.) in spite of the info coming straight out of her mouth. We’ll see though.

Re: the film - I haven’t had the chance to go see it yet (prolly this weekend with a girl I work with, who’s a huge fan), so I have no personal opinion on it. About its performance though so far, I have to confess I didn’t realize what a bomb it is, and figured it’s merely all Gaga hate talk online, until I saw the actual stats: this isn’t just a bomb, it’s a fucking massive nuclear bomb. Good God. Having said that, she’s definitely not to blame and there’s no doubt in my mind she (her movie career to be precise) will survive this.

I haven't seen much of a Gaga hate but I guess it depends on the social media bubble?

The movie increased 46% on US box office (2.65M) from Monday to Tuesday which is better than The Wild Robot (36%) and Beetlejuice Beetlejuice (44.5%) so I don't think it is that dead yet commercially in the US.

It's not "dead" in the sense that it'll still continue making *some* money. Most big movies still do for about 3-4 weeks or so even with horrible word of mouth / critical reception, especially since the studios already had allocated a specific number of screens for the movie. So, they'll try to recoup as much as they can during this first full week out. But realistically this was "dead on arrival." It will end up loosing hundreds of millions of dollars when it's all said and done, which is one of the biggest theatrical failures of all time.

I do think Gaga will come out okay from this bomb, but I don't necessarily see her being fully untouchable in terms of roles she may be offered / she takes. Also, I do not see any Oscar nomination her way as many previously predicted. There's too many strong portrayals elsewhere where she simply cannot compete with considering the turmoil of the movie.

[ObhiDonna]

To be honest, I saw the film (which I found overall to be bit anticlimactic) and I do not think objectively Gaga deserves any Best Actress Oscar nomination. She did fine with the material that was given, she still has lots of improvements to do in her acting prowess so its fine if this role does not give any returns in terms of awards season for her.

[Enigma.]

Oct 9, 2024 12:48:33 GMT -5 Music Fan said:

Oct 9, 2024 11:27:22 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I haven't seen much of a Gaga hate but I guess it depends on the social media bubble?

The movie increased 46% on US box office (2.65M) from Monday to Tuesday which is better than The Wild Robot (36%) and Beetlejuice Beetlejuice (44.5%) so I don't think it is that dead yet commercially in the US.

It's not "dead" in the sense that it'll still continue making *some* money. Most big movies still do for about 3-4 weeks or so even with horrible word of mouth / critical reception, especially since the studios already had allocated a specific number of screens for the movie. So, they'll try to recoup as much as they can during this first full week out. But realistically this was "dead on arrival." It will end up loosing hundreds of millions of dollars when it's all said and done, which is one of the biggest theatrical failures of all time.

I did some calculations based on how the box office looks like US vs. international and how some of the recent movies have performed domestically and counted that Joker 2 might make around 380-395M during its theatrical run. If the breakeven is 450M like Variety reports, it's not THAT far off + it will be a hit on streaming for sure when it's available.

So it could be better, but it also could be worse.

[Music Fan]

Oct 9, 2024 13:27:09 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Oct 9, 2024 12:48:33 GMT -5 Music Fan said:

It's not "dead" in the sense that it'll still continue making *some* money. Most big movies still do for about 3-4 weeks or so even with horrible word of mouth / critical reception, especially since the studios already had allocated a specific number of screens for the movie. So, they'll try to recoup as much as they can during this first full week out. But realistically this was "dead on arrival." It will end up loosing hundreds of millions of dollars when it's all said and done, which is one of the biggest theatrical failures of all time.

I did some calculations based on how the box office looks like US vs. international and how some of the recent movies have performed domestically and counted that Joker 2 might make around 380-395M during its theatrical run. If the breakeven is 450M like Variety reports, it's not THAT far off + it will be a hit on streaming for sure when it's available.

So it could be better, but it also could be worse.

I think you're greatly overestimating what this could make. Lately, theatrical releases have made the majority of their box office gross during opening weekend (especially for movies that don't have good word of mouth). Assuming, extremely conservatively, this movie has made approximately 40% of it's total revenue on opening weekend ($114.8M globally including the $37.7 domestic), this film won't even reach $300M globally or $100M domestic. Honestly, I think $250M global or $80M domestic is it's cap at this point. That's $200M+ in loss which is astounding. Marvels lost $237M last year... so it would be on par with that.

[munx 🐒🎯]

Legit 2 pages of people talking about the success or non success of this movie. We get itttttt. Can’t wait for her single to come out this month, so we all can complain or not complain about it. lol