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Post by jebsib on Jun 5, 2018 16:15:47 GMT -5
Looking forward to another artist scandal à la R. Kelly where they will actually take down the catalogue from all the streaming platforms on sensitivity grounds.
Versus owning content, I see a few bumps in the streaming model down the road.
I've spent 2-1/2 decades and a fortune hunting down radio versions, edits, Single artwork and chart metadata linked to 12,000 chart hits over 70 years.
Not looking forward to replacing that collection with whatever is up on various streaming platforms.
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Post by Mayman on Jun 5, 2018 16:54:58 GMT -5
Although the download writing is on the wall, I also feel that it then won't be long before the iTunes interface goes away or things stop functioning once there are a series of updates. (I've lived through this too many times before. You can still find blank VHS tapes out there somewhere, but good luck getting a VCR…. etc, etc , etc) They won't, everything you can do with iTunes (changing names, artwork, properties, etc.) you can do with songs on Apple Music just like you would do with a song you purchased. |
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Post by fhas on Jun 5, 2018 17:20:21 GMT -5
Lil Baby & Drake's 'Yes Indeed' Hits No. 1 on Streaming Songs Chart
Drake’s “Nice for What,” which narrowly edges “Indeed” with 37.9 million streams. “Indeed” leads on Streaming Songs due to the chart's separate weighting of on-demand streams vs. programmed streams (services such as Pandora). “Nice” is instead No. 2 on Streaming Songs. :sip2: |
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Post by Gary on Jun 5, 2018 20:04:13 GMT -5
Lil Baby & Drake's 'Yes Indeed' Hits No. 1 on Streaming Songs Chart
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By Kevin Rutherford | June 05, 2018 3:36 PM EDT
lil baby drakeThe song’s No. 1 ascent comes a week after it began ruling the On-Demand Streaming Songs list. A week after ascending to No. 1 on Billboard’s On-Demand Streaming Songs chart, Lil Baby and Drake’s “Yes Indeed” assumes the lead of the overall Streaming Songs chart, dated June 9. “Indeed” rises 2-1 with 37.6 million streams (in the tracking week ending May 13) in its third week on the ranking, according to Nielsen Music. Of that sum, 26.9 million comes from on-demand audio streams, allowing the song to hold its No. 1 ranking on On-Demand Streaming Songs for a second week in a row. It’s worth pointing out that despite its lead on Streaming Songs, “Indeed” is not actually the most-streamed song in the country this week. That distinction goes to Drake’s “Nice for What,” which narrowly edges “Indeed” with 37.9 million streams. “Indeed” leads on Streaming Songs due to the chart's separate weighting of on-demand streams vs. programmed streams (services such as Pandora). “Nice” is instead No. 2 on Streaming Songs. “Indeed” marks Drake’s fifth No. 1 on the Streaming Songs chart, which pulls him out of a two-way tie with Justin Bieber for most No. 1s in the chart’s history (it began in 2012). Three of those No. 1s have occurred in 2018. Meanwhile, it’s Lil Baby’s first No. 1 on Streaming Songs, and it’s also his first-charting title. As such, while he isn’t the first artist to land their first No. 1 on the chart in 2018 (Childish Gambino, the chart’s previous leader, did so with “This Is America” and Camila Cabello did so with “Havana” featuring Young Thug, who also scored his first No. 1 via the featured credit), he’s the first to do so with their first charting song this year. The previous act to do so? Cardi B, with “Bodak Yellow (Money Moves),” beginning in September 2017. Concurrently, “Indeed” holds at No. 6 on the Billboard Hot 100, which blends radio airplay, digital sales and streaming, for a second week. Lowest total for a #1 since Bad & Boujee in January 2017 |
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Post by Gary on Jun 5, 2018 20:55:05 GMT -5
Recent Drops from the top 10
We Mighht Be Dead By Tomorrow, Soko Off the Chart
Tonight, Jonas Brothers 66
Dope, Lady Gaga 63
Auld Lang Syne, Kenny G 58
Red, Taylor Swift 48
Diplomatic Immunity , Drake 48
Loser Like Me, Glee Cast 47
Begin Again, Taylor Swift 45
If This Was A Movie, Taylor Swift 43
Skyscraper, Demi Lovato 41
Fake Love , BTS 41
Kevin's Heart , J. Cole 40
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Post by wicked on Jun 5, 2018 21:34:34 GMT -5
Lil Baby & Drake's 'Yes Indeed' Hits No. 1 on Streaming Songs Chart
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By Kevin Rutherford | June 05, 2018 3:36 PM EDT
lil baby drakeThe song’s No. 1 ascent comes a week after it began ruling the On-Demand Streaming Songs list. A week after ascending to No. 1 on Billboard’s On-Demand Streaming Songs chart, Lil Baby and Drake’s “Yes Indeed” assumes the lead of the overall Streaming Songs chart, dated June 9. “Indeed” rises 2-1 with 37.6 million streams (in the tracking week ending May 13) in its third week on the ranking, according to Nielsen Music. Of that sum, 26.9 million comes from on-demand audio streams, allowing the song to hold its No. 1 ranking on On-Demand Streaming Songs for a second week in a row. It’s worth pointing out that despite its lead on Streaming Songs, “Indeed” is not actually the most-streamed song in the country this week. That distinction goes to Drake’s “Nice for What,” which narrowly edges “Indeed” with 37.9 million streams. “Indeed” leads on Streaming Songs due to the chart's separate weighting of on-demand streams vs. programmed streams (services such as Pandora). “Nice” is instead No. 2 on Streaming Songs. “Indeed” marks Drake’s fifth No. 1 on the Streaming Songs chart, which pulls him out of a two-way tie with Justin Bieber for most No. 1s in the chart’s history (it began in 2012). Three of those No. 1s have occurred in 2018. Meanwhile, it’s Lil Baby’s first No. 1 on Streaming Songs, and it’s also his first-charting title. As such, while he isn’t the first artist to land their first No. 1 on the chart in 2018 (Childish Gambino, the chart’s previous leader, did so with “This Is America” and Camila Cabello did so with “Havana” featuring Young Thug, who also scored his first No. 1 via the featured credit), he’s the first to do so with their first charting song this year. The previous act to do so? Cardi B, with “Bodak Yellow (Money Moves),” beginning in September 2017. Concurrently, “Indeed” holds at No. 6 on the Billboard Hot 100, which blends radio airplay, digital sales and streaming, for a second week. Lowest total for a #1 since Bad & Boujee in January 2017 Rain drop Drop top Streams went down a lot lot |
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Post by renfield75 on Jun 5, 2018 22:32:38 GMT -5
Recent Drops from the top 10 We Mighht Be Dead By Tomorrow, Soko Off the Chart Tonight, Jonas Brothers 66 Dope, Lady Gaga 63 Auld Lang Syne, Kenny G 58 Red, Taylor Swift 48 Diplomatic Immunity , Drake 48 Loser Like Me, Glee Cast 47 Begin Again, Taylor Swift 45 If This Was A Movie, Taylor Swift 43 Skyscraper, Demi Lovato 41 Fake Love , BTS 41 Kevin's Heart , J. Cole 40 Prince's "Purple Rain" and "When Doves Cry" fell off the Hot 100 from nos. 4 and 8 respectively after his passing, but of course that was an unusual circumstance and those legendary songs had much longer, normal chart runs the first time around. There were also a few songs that fell out of the Top 40 from the top 10 in the early 80s, like Donna Summer's "Love Is In Control" and I think an Air Supply song. |
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Post by Gary on Jun 5, 2018 22:36:47 GMT -5
Thanks. Didn’t think I had them all
Was trying to chronicle the 40 plus drop from this week
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Post by Joe1240 on Jun 6, 2018 8:38:42 GMT -5
To be clear, the rumors refer to the iTunes STORE, not necessarily the app as a whole. I hope. Please god! Yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry I wasn't clearer on that. iTunes will still exist, but the store will be phased out in favor of Apple Music Streaming. If the iTunes Store is gone,That will also include everything such as Ringtones,TV Series and Movies. Would Apple start a Streaming service for the other lost items from the store besides the music.I know a lot of Artists now do Spotify exclusives now days and not so much iTunes exclusive anymore but that would mean a lot would be gone if that were to happen. Just Found This- hiphopdx.com/news/id.46365/title.apple-denies-report-its-shutting-down-itunes-music-downloads-in-2019# |
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Post by Gary on Jun 6, 2018 9:20:56 GMT -5
The itunes store appears to run on low overhead. To keep it going, it is not like they have to maintain a warehouse full of CDs
As long as people give them money they would likely keep it open
If not, there are other download services
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 16:37:12 GMT -5
Yeah I still use my mp3s, too, though I also stream. I just have a lot on my laptop/iTunes that isn’t available on Spotify. Is it easy to somehow put mp3s on my Spotify? I also like that I can organize my music how I want in iTunes/on my laptop. People have already found out ways to extract songs from streaming: stream-ripping is apparently a very big thing, which I only found out about recently myself. And I guess this type of illegal activity hasn't become moot because of course you still have to pay for the higher tier conveniences of streaming and be subjected to other inconveniences like ads, etc. It seems like the only way for illegal to become moot and for everyone to just resort to legal streaming is for legal to have all the conveniences, or even better than, illegal, which hasn't happened yet and might never happen. As for transferring your iTunes mp3s to Spotify (or other streaming services/lockers) I'm not sure, but unless they are really obscure artists/songs, a lot of them are probably also available on those streaming services, so you wouldn't need to transfer them from iTunes (unless the slightly higher quality and the permanence of owning those songs is really important to you). To be clear.... my idea about stream hacking potentially becoming moot is indeed assuming that the majority of people are already into paid streaming because they don't want to deal with mp3s (or ads) anymore. And they probably don't want to commit a crime every time they want to hear a song on demand, either. I also think that all streaming services will probably eliminate free options altogether, forcing people to make a choice - (1) subscribe, or (2) download illegally ripped streams and potentially get fined thousands of dollars (or whatever the punishment may be). It'll be a different world than it is now. In the scenario I'm presenting, the audience for downloading ripped streams (and storing illegal mp3s) will potentially be so small, and the punishment for hacking a streaming service and distributing music will be so severe, that it won't be worth the risk for hackers. We'll see. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 8:03:57 GMT -5
^ True and I agree with your point. Interface may have been a better word choice. The iTunes store obviously existed on its own prior to AM's invention and addition to the iTunes app, so in that way they're separate entities. I just meant get rid of the store interface and "iTunes" and rename the app Apple Music. At any rate, it'll be interesting to see what happens. I side on the theory that as downloads and other sales dwindle to a point of no return, Apple will lead the way to a streaming-only world, with labels on board, meaning labels will make the choice to no longer license or distribute mp3s for download. It's a bit extreme and far-fetched for some on this board, and that's ok! I'm no prophet, but it's fun to prophesy anyway.  |
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Post by Mayman on Jun 10, 2018 13:40:51 GMT -5
^ True and I agree with your point. Interface may have been a better word choice. The iTunes store obviously existed on its own prior to AM's invention and addition to the iTunes app, so in that way they're separate entities. I just meant get rid of the store interface and "iTunes" and rename the app Apple Music. At any rate, it'll be interesting to see what happens. I side on the theory that as downloads and other sales dwindle to a point of no return, Apple will lead the way to a streaming-only world, with labels on board, meaning labels will make the choice to no longer license or distribute mp3s for download. It's a bit extreme and far-fetched for some on this board, and that's ok! I'm no prophet, but it's fun to prophesy anyway. I don't think they would rename iTunes to Apple Music due to their being movies, shows, books, ringtones, and podcasts available to buy and download as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 14:04:21 GMT -5
^ True and I agree with your point. Interface may have been a better word choice. The iTunes store obviously existed on its own prior to AM's invention and addition to the iTunes app, so in that way they're separate entities. I just meant get rid of the store interface and "iTunes" and rename the app Apple Music. At any rate, it'll be interesting to see what happens. I side on the theory that as downloads and other sales dwindle to a point of no return, Apple will lead the way to a streaming-only world, with labels on board, meaning labels will make the choice to no longer license or distribute mp3s for download. It's a bit extreme and far-fetched for some on this board, and that's ok! I'm no prophet, but it's fun to prophesy anyway. I don't think they would rename iTunes to Apple Music due to their being movies, shows, books, ringtones, and podcasts available to buy and download as well. Fair enough - new name altogether then. AppleStream, perhaps. Although, they don't seem to mind keeping the "iTunes" name despite already offering all of the things you mentioned which aren't "tunes", so who knows. A paradigm shift in the industry to streaming-only would likely prompt a major change, imo. |
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Post by Mayman on Jun 10, 2018 14:08:16 GMT -5
I don't think they would rename iTunes to Apple Music due to their being movies, shows, books, ringtones, and podcasts available to buy and download as well. Fair enough - new name altogether then. AppleStream, perhaps. Although, they don't seem to mind keeping the "iTunes" name despite already offering all of the things you mentioned which aren't "tunes", so who knows. A paradigm shift in the industry to streaming-only would likely prompt a major change, imo. Ik this is off topic, but I wonder how much the top episode or movie sells each week on iTunes. With all of the new streaming services, I can imagine being them very low. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 14:23:21 GMT -5
Fair enough - new name altogether then. AppleStream, perhaps. Although, they don't seem to mind keeping the "iTunes" name despite already offering all of the things you mentioned which aren't "tunes", so who knows. A paradigm shift in the industry to streaming-only would likely prompt a major change, imo. Ik this is off topic, but I wonder how much the top episode or movie sells each week on iTunes. With all of the new streaming services, I can imagine being them very low. Yeah, I imagine they are low, too. Especially with the rental option for most movies. |
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Post by wicked on Jun 10, 2018 17:18:13 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me what the point of buying an album is? Streaming services cost less.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 18:45:58 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me what the point of buying an album is? Streaming services cost less. So you could listen to them without internet |
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Post by Mayman on Jun 10, 2018 19:11:59 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me what the point of buying an album is? Streaming services cost less. So you could listen to them without internet Which you could also do with streaming services. You can save and download songs on streaming services for offline listening. |
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Post by Gary on Jun 10, 2018 20:38:54 GMT -5
Which goes away if you ever stop paying the subscription fee
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 21:12:41 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me what the point of buying an album is? Streaming services cost less. This is exactly why I feel the way I do about where things are headed. I don't know your age, but today's younger generation who are born into getting ALL the music for $10 a month via streaming aren't going to want to pay $10 to own one album, when they can just stream it - along with everything else - for the same price. I grew up when purchasing your own music collection (vinyl, cassettes, CDs) was the norm. It's what you did. I still do it. Today's version of that is making playlists on streaming services. It makes sense. |
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Post by Mayman on Jun 10, 2018 23:54:32 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me what the point of buying an album is? Streaming services cost less. This is exactly why I feel the way I do about where things are headed. I don't know your age, but today's younger generation who are born into getting ALL the music for $10 a month via streaming aren't going to want to pay $10 to own one album, when they can just stream it - along with everything else - for the same price. I grew up when purchasing your own music collection (vinyl, cassettes, CDs) was the norm. It's what you did. I still do it. Today's version of that is making playlists on streaming services. It makes sense. Growing up we mainly had CDs which were everyone around our house. Boxes and boxes of them in fact. I don't think I started issuing iTunes until the late 00s but I can't remember. The last CDs I have purchased were TOP and Sia's latest albums back in maybe the summer of 2016. |
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Post by Gary on Jun 11, 2018 6:59:02 GMT -5
A good analogy would be Netflix - You have access to the Netflix database of movies at roughly the same cost as a Spotify subscription. You stop paying the fees, access to the movies are cut off.
Netflix also only displays what they have the contract for. All the contracts are subject to renewal that can be canceled at any time because one network or another decides to start their own streaming service. Now all of a sudden, you are paying 3-4 times as much as you used to for JUST Netflix, because you are paying 10 dollars a month for CBS programming, 10 dollars a month for Disney programming and 10 dollars a month for ESPN and so on because she network/studio finds it is more profitable to do it themselves than to dump it all into one service
another possibility, they started offering price tiers for the # of devices you can play movies on.( like 10 dollars a month for 2 devices and higher for more devices)
For TV & Movies, this is already happening.
It is not yet there for music services but it is headed that way, especially as costs of licensing artists goes up
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Post by filthy on Jun 11, 2018 7:19:23 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me what the point of buying an album is? Streaming services cost less. Also by buying albums, you are supporting the artist more than streaming services do. Some are also collectors, so they go and purchase albums physically. |
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Post by wicked on Jun 11, 2018 13:04:05 GMT -5
Which goes away if you ever stop paying the subscription fee One can easily download their entire library as mp3s and store it in a different folder, even if that is technically illegal |
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