Billboard Hot 100: 6/30/2018

[TakeMe]

Jun 25, 2018 18:02:58 GMT -5 kanfad said:

Jun 25, 2018 17:42:19 GMT -5 davidjl123 said:

30 pages (10/24/2009)

I've always wondered why the posters that used to be active on here years ago don't post here anymore

Because they have more important things to do outside of an online forum?
Because of the craziness in these threads?
Or both?

[kanfad]

Jun 25, 2018 18:07:48 GMT -5 TakeMe said:

Jun 25, 2018 18:02:58 GMT -5 kanfad said:

I've always wondered why the posters that used to be active on here years ago don't post here anymore

Because they have more important things to do outside of an online forum?
Because of the craziness in these threads?
Or both?

Lol probably both

[Keelzit]

Jun 25, 2018 17:15:06 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Jun 25, 2018 17:05:11 GMT -5 Keelzit said:

It's truly interesting how X reached his commercial peak only after he died. Is it safe to say that his death was bigger than his career?

On the charts? Nah. 

But the week of his death will easily outperform any other week in his career. Including his two album takeovers. The same can be said about Prince. 

However, I guess you could say that if an artist's post-humous sales/streams/radio impressions eventually outnumber those that they had in life, I guess you could say that they are "more known for their death". 

And I'm sure that 2Pac, B.I.G., Nirvana and Aaliyah all qualify. Peep as well, of course. And XXX will probably join them soon in that distinction. 

But I guess it could also be argued that, eventually, given enough time, every artist will eventually have more posthumous streams/sales/impressions than they did in life?

All the artists you mentioned (besides Peep) had found huge mainstream success well before their respective deaths. The same cannot be said about X eventhough he had 2 top 2 albums in less than a year. More people became aware of his existence after the news of his death as evidenced not only by the charts but also by how talked about his death was. Where I live literally no one knows about him but after multiple local news reported his death I've seen people sharing his music and pretending they were fans since day one.

[Leo ✔]

DDU-DU DDU-DU charting higher than Simms predicted. He has to fix the formula

[𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿]

I was expecting I Like It to be #1, but I was surprised it was SAD! I'm not complaining though, SAD! is a great song. But I Like It SHOULD be #1 next week before the Drake bomb.

[Sherane Lamar]

Jun 25, 2018 18:19:15 GMT -5 Keelzit said:

Jun 25, 2018 17:15:06 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

On the charts? Nah. 

But the week of his death will easily outperform any other week in his career. Including his two album takeovers. The same can be said about Prince. 

However, I guess you could say that if an artist's post-humous sales/streams/radio impressions eventually outnumber those that they had in life, I guess you could say that they are "more known for their death". 

And I'm sure that 2Pac, B.I.G., Nirvana and Aaliyah all qualify. Peep as well, of course. And XXX will probably join them soon in that distinction. 

But I guess it could also be argued that, eventually, given enough time, every artist will eventually have more posthumous streams/sales/impressions than they did in life?

All the artists you mentioned (besides Peep) had found huge mainstream success well before their respective deaths. The same cannot be said about X eventhough he had 2 top 2 albums in less than a year. More people became aware of his existence after the news of his death as evidenced not only by the charts but also by how talked about his death was. Where I live literally no one knows about him but after multiple local news reported his death I've seen people sharing his music and pretending they were fans since day one.

All the easier for X's postmortem sales/streams/airplay to over power his living ones then. 

Not sure about Nirvana though, as they had about half the chart presence as X did before his death. And interestingly enough, both of them were extremely controversial and ground-breaking within their life. 

[Sherane Lamar]

Jun 25, 2018 17:19:42 GMT -5 Gary said:

There is probably not a deep body of unreleased work. He was 20. Not 50. A couple weeks from now his work will be ancient history

On the contrary, not only was he working on his next album, he did have a huge pile of unreleased or "lost" work. 

Much of his music was low-fi and improvisational. So there were times in his life where he was making new songs every day. 

genius.com/discussions/300331-Ive-compiled-every-xxxtentacion-song-after-searching-every-corner-of-the-internet-this-is-his-entire-catalogue


He has hundreds of songs on Soundcloud that were never given regular proper releases. Many of them could probably be repurposed for posthumous albums. And given his output, I wouldn't be surprised if he had piles of songs that also weren't given any release at all. 

And because of his working always having underproduced low-fi appeal, I can imagine having less of a quality backlash than Pac and Biggie had with their posthumous releases.



I'm almost certain we'll get at least one posthumous release with all new music. 

[rimetm]

Sources: Gary Trust Twitter, Official Articles, Chart History

01 52 SAD!
02 03 I Like It
03 01 Nice for What
04 06 Lucid Dreams
05 05 Girls Like You
06 02 Psycho
07 07 Boo'd Up
08 04 God's Plan
09 09 no tears left to cry
10 08 The Middle

13 NE Apes**t
14 13 Friends
15 28 I'm Upset
16 RE Moonlight

18 RE Changes
19 RE Jocelyn Flores
20 15 Mine

28 RE F*** Love

33 22 Back to You

36 34 Love Lies

42 RE Everybody Dies in Their Nightmares
43 NE Bed

49 79 Youngblood
50 48 Get Along

55 NE DDU-DU DDU-DU
56 51 IDGAF

58 RE The Remedy for a Broken Heart (Why Am I So in Love)

60 63 Mercy

63 76 I Lived It

65 71 FAKE LOVE

74 NE Born to Be Yours

77 NE Boss
78 NE Ocean

80 NE Hope

82 RE Numb

84 NE Summer
85 NE Drowns the Whiskey

95 NE Nice
96 NE Cops Shot the Kid

99 NE Friends
100 RE Medicine
BU01 BU05 Life Changes

BU03 NE 713
BU04 NE Growing Pains
BU05 NE Not for Radio

BU10 NE Heard About Us
BU11 NE The Light is Coming

BU15 NE Dance to This

BU18 NE Adam & Eve

BU20 NE Black Effect
BU21 NE Lovehappy

[TakeMe]

Oh that’s nice Trippie Redd got his first top 40 hit! Hopefully he can consider that a nice belated birthday gift.

[MoD]

Do you remember when this threads were actually to discuss the charts?

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Copying and pasting this here because it's probably more relevant in this thread than Random Thoughts:

Sherane Lamar

Jun 25, 2018 17:25:44 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Jun 25, 2018 17:09:21 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Honestly I think a lot of it is just because these guys are so random yet they’re topping the charts despite not even really being anywhere. Maybe it’s just me but all those acts you mentioned, if it wasn’t for seeing them mentioned in the hot 100 threads (as being in the top 10 no less!) I’d never see or hear them in any capacity ever. As someone who has followed the charts since the mid 90s, that boggles my mind. Yet, if Billboard says they are among the biggest hit makers of the week, it’s me who’s missing out apparently. But even knowing that, it’s so strange to me that such niche artists can do so well so suddenly. Can you imagine if suddenly a random country artist came out of nowhere, scored a string of chart-topping Hot 100 hits for a few months with minimal radio support from any format and barely any mention outside of their specific fanbase and then disappeared again? It would be so weird.

That's a really interesting perspective. 

There was never any artists in the 90's or 00's who charted in the Top 10 of the Hot 100 without you having heard of them? Not even sales-heavy artists? Or ringtone rappers?
Who was the first artist you remember hitting the Top 10 before you heard about them? 
Where did you usually hear about them on? Just by listening to every type of radio station? 

Personally, I see these soundcloud rappers and new wave rappers all over Facebook, social media, non-Hip-Hop related forums that I happen to go on. (Like a reddit about dating advice of all things). YouTube trending. Etc. 

I feel like even a lower level rapper like Trippie Redd has more of a "celebrity aspect" to him than an artist whose music is popular without them being popular. Like Ella Mai. Or Bebe Rexha. or BlocBoy JB or whoever. 

The first #1 I probably didn't know at the time it hit #1 in the 2000s was probably a couple of the American Idol songs. But in those cases, I still knew of the artist because American Idol was big anyway. I'd say maybe songs like Slow Motion I didn't really know but I also wasn't following the charts super closely by the mid-2000s anyway so the few songs I didn't know were on me. It's not like Juvenile was a complete unknown. I got back into the charts by 2009ish and have been following them ever since but for the last 2 or 3 years, there have been weeks where at least half of the Top 10 of the Hot 100 was unknown to me, both artist and song. It's particularly apparent in 2018. I don't doubt these songs are known. The Hot 100 was always influenced by younger audiences than me. But there's such a disconnect between what's topping the chart and what the wider audience even knows, I think. Back when Adele, Gaga and Katy were topping the charts, pretty much everyone knew who they were, even from their first singles. Compared to some of the acts you mentioned having multiple hits and I've never heard of them anywhere except on here.

I think my biggest issue with the Hot 100 these days is something they can't really control. I get they're measuring as best they can with the best accuracy they can reach. But it sucks that they can capture probably 90% of the listening habits of 14-25 year olds but only capture a portion of the listening habits of everyone else. Again, it's not their fault streaming is traceable but private-listening (cds, ipods, etc) aren't. I definitely don't support giving more points to radio over streaming. I just wish they could somehow track more of what people outside of the current streaming demo listens to. For what the Hot 100 measures, they're accurate. But when looking at what they can't measure, I don't think it's a true representation of what the most popular music right now is.

[Mayman]

Imagine if the was never locked. This would be at 40+ pages by now.

Some people on here can't take a hint and just not say anything, because they're the problem and why this thread got locked in the first place.

[ur local neighborhood dbender]

Sober Up is offcially stuck in BU. Sad because it just started picking up in sales.

Also wtf is du duu du duu?

[forg]

When SAD! had those Spotify records, I knew it had the Hot 100 #1 locked.

[forg]

Jun 25, 2018 19:59:13 GMT -5 ur local neighborhood dbender said:

Sober Up is offcially stuck in BU. Sad because it just started picking up in sales.

Also wtf is du duu du duu?

Song from a Korean Girl Group

[ur local neighborhood dbender]

Jun 25, 2018 20:08:09 GMT -5 forg said:

Jun 25, 2018 19:59:13 GMT -5 ur local neighborhood dbender said:

Sober Up is offcially stuck in BU. Sad because it just started picking up in sales.

Also wtf is du duu du duu?

Song from a Korean Girl Group

Ew. One BTS is enough.

[garrettlen]

Jun 25, 2018 15:03:30 GMT -5 Soulsista said:

June 30, 1973

01 05 Give Me Love (Give Me Peace On Earth) - George Harrison (1st and only week at #1)
02 01 My Love - Paul McCartney & Wings

The first and only time in Hot 100 history that one ex-Beatle replaced another ex-Beatle at #1.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^Its video was #15 in YouTube views for last week with over 7.1 million.

[TakeMe]

Jun 25, 2018 20:26:53 GMT -5 ur local neighborhood dbender said:

Jun 25, 2018 20:08:09 GMT -5 forg said:

Song from a Korean Girl Group

Ew. One BTS is enough.

😂😂😂😂😂😂
In reference to Korean artists, I wouldn’t mind Psy making a comeback in the States and popping back in billboards top 40 with another hit song. It’s been years.

[ur local neighborhood dbender]

I hope King Of The Clouds debuts but idk. If it does the momentum from the album bomb can propel it higher hopefully.

[Deleted]

Jun 25, 2018 20:26:53 GMT -5 ur local neighborhood dbender said:

Jun 25, 2018 20:08:09 GMT -5 forg said:

Song from a Korean Girl Group

Ew. One BTS is enough.

What's makes KPOP bad exactly?

[Az Paynter]

Wow there are some snowflakes up in here. Can people be allowed to express not being happy about the current #1 please? Thank you. :sip2:

[boysilver400]

....can this thread actually get locked tomorrow? Seriously

[leonagwen]

I've said many times in the past that I dont like the chart formula. What happened today is ridiculous. A song making it to #1 because the singer died? Streaming has too much weight on the chart formula.The song will be #1 this week, out of #1 next week, out of the top 20 in 2 weeks and out of the top 100 in 3 or 4 weeks.

[Sherane Lamar]

Jun 26, 2018 0:31:51 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

I've said many times in the past that I dont like the chart formula. What happened today is ridiculous. A song making it to #1 because the singer died? Streaming has too much weight on the chart formula.The song will be #1 this week, out of #1 next week, out of the top 20 in 2 weeks and out of the top 100 in 3 or 4 weeks.

Uh, yeah. Death has literally always boosted consumption of an artist. Only difference now is that people have more options to listen to what they want to when they want to. And the industry has a better ability to observe and measure that audience behavior. 

Why would "Sad!" be out of the Hot 100 in 3/4 weeks? It went from #51 to #52 the week *before* he died. It was never going to spend less than 20 weeks on the Hot 100. And it certainly won't now that the songs apparently been exposed to so many first time listeners. Basically beginning a new decent. 

This isn't like Prince and other death songs where the songs were barely being listened to at all before they died. 

[Zach]

Jun 26, 2018 0:31:51 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

I've said many times in the past that I dont like the chart formula. What happened today is ridiculous. A song making it to #1 because the singer died? Streaming has too much weight on the chart formula.The song will be #1 this week, out of #1 next week, out of the top 20 in 2 weeks and out of the top 100 in 3 or 4 weeks.

I was gonna ignore this, especially given the context of this particular thread, because I and others have said what I'm gonna say a million times and I know you've heard it a million times, but I can't help myself.

Yes, the song made it to #1 because the singer died. Just like what happened a couple times before streaming was even a thing. X had the most popular song in the country this week, therefore it goes #1. Streaming more than any other metric measures what people are actually listening to. The chart more accurately reflects music consumption today than it ever has and this accuracy will continue to increase as streaming increasingly cannibalizes what's left of sales. Just because the songs that you want to be #1 don't make it there or because the chart isn't acting the way you want it to act doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with the chart methodology.

And once again, whatever happens to the song in the coming weeks and for the rest of its chart run has absolutely nothing to do with its popularity this week. The fact that this song MIGHT plummet quickly off the chart over the next few weeks is irrelevant, it was the biggest song THIS week.

[lugus15]

Yes just like when Lennon was murdered
The song of his that went #1 after his death was pretty nondescript, specially compared to some of his better 70s singles. But his death made the public interested in that single and it went #1. For me, even tho not a fan by any means of xxx, the song itself it's quite solid AND I love a fast turnover at the #1 spot. Besides Cardi will get her #1 this next week.

[85la]

Jun 25, 2018 18:33:53 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Jun 25, 2018 18:19:15 GMT -5 Keelzit said:

All the artists you mentioned (besides Peep) had found huge mainstream success well before their respective deaths. The same cannot be said about X eventhough he had 2 top 2 albums in less than a year. More people became aware of his existence after the news of his death as evidenced not only by the charts but also by how talked about his death was. Where I live literally no one knows about him but after multiple local news reported his death I've seen people sharing his music and pretending they were fans since day one.

All the easier for X's postmortem sales/streams/airplay to over power his living ones then. 

Not sure about Nirvana though, as they had about half the chart presence as X did before his death. And interestingly enough, both of them were extremely controversial and ground-breaking within their life. 

Patently false, as Nirvana had two major number one albums that went multi-platinum, one of which went diamond, in addition to a couple other independent charting albums, all charting over roughly a 2 1/2 year period before Cobain died. In terms of singles, they only had one major top ten Hot 100 hit (SLTS), but that was because alternative acts didn't release too many physical singles then and it was harder to get overall mass airplay. They did have a few other Hot 100 hits however, plus several other major rock hits that didn't chart on the Hot 100. Plus, in no way, shape, or form, were they as controversial as X. I don't know too much about the history of the band, and Cobain might have been involved somewhat in the drug world and other things, but it was probably mainly their music and how it had a more raw, harder, sexual and aggressive sound, than anything the bandmembers did in their personal lives. To my knowledge, none of them faced multiple criminal charges of aggravated assault, attempted murder, rape, or anything like that.

Sherane I guess I'm just confused as to why you choose to defend X so much and laud him as your hero? Is there no shortage of other talented and innovative artists, including many hip-hop acts, who don't have major criminal allegations and whose music doesn't speak of and even celebrate such criminal activity, that you can find to admire more and get more easily behind?

[Sherane Lamar]

Jun 26, 2018 1:10:20 GMT -5 85la said:

Jun 25, 2018 18:33:53 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

All the easier for X's postmortem sales/streams/airplay to over power his living ones then. 

Not sure about Nirvana though, as they had about half the chart presence as X did before his death. And interestingly enough, both of them were extremely controversial and ground-breaking within their life. 

Patently false, as Nirvana had two major number one albums that went multi-platinum, one of which went diamond, in addition to a couple other independent charting albums, all charting over roughly a 2 1/2 year period before Cobain died. In terms of singles, they only had one major top ten Hot 100 hit (SLTS), but that was because alternative acts didn't release too many physical singles then and it was harder to get overall mass airplay. They did have a few other Hot 100 hits however, plus several other major rock hits that didn't chart on the Hot 100. Plus, in no way, shape, or form, were they as controversial as X. I don't know too much about the history of the band, and Cobain might have been involved somewhat in the drug world and other things, but it was probably mainly their music and how it had a more raw, harder, sexual and aggressive sound, than anything the bandmembers did in their personal lives. To my knowledge, none of them faced multiple criminal charges of aggravated assault, attempted murder, rape, or anything like that.

Sherane I guess I'm just confused as to why you choose to defend X so much and laud him as your hero? Is there no shortage of other talented and innovative artists, including many hip-hop acts, who don't have major criminal allegations and whose music doesn't speak of and even celebrate such criminal activity, that you can find to admire more and get more easily behind?

So you're saying that Nirvana did not get much airplay or have many single sales. I think we're on the same page with that one. That was my main point. 

A full BB200 analysis would be interesting. (Not sure the subtleties of that chart, and how much it's changed in the last 25 years). But RIAA I don't think is very consistent over decades. 

You're right about them not really being controversial on a personal level. I'm talking musically. 

Is there no shortage of other talented and innovative artists, including many hip-hop acts, who don't have major criminal allegations and whose music doesn't speak of and even celebrate such criminal activity, that you can find to admire more and get more easily behind?

Whether an artist has a criminal record is irrelevant to how I see their music. And the truth is, a huge number of young Hip-Hop artists do have criminal records. 

I see no artist coming from the last few years (2015-now) quite as artistically innovative, distinct, interesting or multi-faceted as X.

Here's my rundown:

Uzi comes close, I suppose. He has the diversity. The talent. The innovation. Just not as much as XXX. And with Uzi, I kinda feel like he's going to end up being like Travis Scott and just fall into a musical rut.  (He has no criminal record I'm aware of.)

There are artists like 6ix9ine, who are ridiculously intriguing, entertaining, and distinct. But he's basically one note. (He does have a criminal record.) 

Same as above with Lil Pump. 

There's Cardi. Very entertaining. Has the performance talent to earn a legacy similar to Nicki. Not as novel as XXX. Not as much of a range as XXX. (No criminal record that I know of)

There's Logic. Very interesting on a lyrical level. Distinct and diverse musically. But doesn't bring much new to the table. Just is able to use a range of sounds already popularized by others. Not as interesting musically. (No criminal record that I know of).

Kodak Black, Kevin Gates, and to a lesser extent NBA YoungBoy. All great rappers in a more traditional sense. Don't bring too much new to the table. And aren't as diverse as artists.(All have criminal records)

Trippie Redd is a great vocalist. And that's about all I can say for Trippie. (He has a criminal record.)

Ugly God is hilarious and entertaining. But he hasn't given fans much to rally behind. (Has no criminal record I know of.)

A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie has some good music too. But he gets carried by features a lot. Not too interesting in his own right. (No criminal record that I know of).

[Naos]

I agree having a criminal record doesn't have an impact really on if I like the music. Because having as little as a DUI counts as a criminal record. But, serious crimes like killing or raping I won't tolerate. Not saying I can't like the music they put out, but if I liked a song by Charles Manson I wouldn't support it. I see it as enabling the behaviour. That's just me though.

I do at times listen to controversial figures, but I'll mainly stick to listening to the largely unproblematic people. And I have a few rappers I don't have to worry about.