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Post by Snowbeast on Mar 10, 2021 0:12:25 GMT -5
I was one of the people who said 25 wouldn’t recreate the success of 21 and was proven completely wrong (and I was okay with that. 25 is a great album!) but I’m still more skeptical this time around. I think the iron was still hot leading into 25. By now, it’s cooled considerably. The people who bought 21 (and also 25) on CD, for example, were also likely people who stopped buying CDs in 2004 but opted to get these because they were must-haves and ‘trendy’. Now we’re further away from people having CD players and it’s been ten years since 21 came out. Interest or willingness to invest in new music drops as you get older anyway so for these people, they’re all ten years older. If it’s made readily available and they’re in-your-face about it, then maybe. But they’re not as likely to go out of their way for it. But streaming has picked up more and I think Adele would benefit more from that, but the question is how much? I don’t know what streaming demographics are but if it leans heavily younger, I can’t imagine a teenager excitedly putting on the new Adele album. All that said, I think her first week will still be huge by 2021 standards for the album. The single’s first week could be as well but ultimately depends on competition. The bolded part is what I agree with most. People were excited about new music when 25 released. Now...are people really as excited about a new album from her as they were from 25? A small few are, sure, but I don't think we can completely ignore how much the landscape has changed. Sales are going to be a much tougher sell this time around, streaming is where it's at. Which is unprecedented territory for Adele...25 wasn't available to stream right away. I am going to go on record (and feel free to quote me if I'm wrong) but I don't see her opening coming anywhere near 25's opening. It'll be big--probably 1 million SPS--but it will pale in comparison to 25. I remain unconvinced she will do as well in streaming as some people seem to think she will. If she releases Q4, I also truly don't see us out of the woods with COVID by the end of this year. I think we'll be close, but I still think people are going to be skeptical about going to retailers come Q4 still. That could impact sales as well. The longevity of the album is an interesting discussion. In this, I think she'll do...okay. Assuming she has pop radio support (which is an assumption...she's getting older, and pop radio can be fickle), I think she could have moderately singles post-album. However, WWWY, SML and WUTB didn't really do "that" well...I don't see anything from this album doing better, other than the lead. She might be better off releasing 1-2 singles from it and calling it good honestly. People REALLY underestimate the boomer demographic. To them, 25 could have come out last year. Adele isn’t a pop star that faces kryptonite when her audience graduates from middle school to high school. She’s a completely different brand that also sees radio success due to the commercial pandemonium that her new releases attract. She’s opening with a million - minimum. 1.5 SPS. For the rest of her career.
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Post by musicfan134 on Mar 10, 2021 17:27:21 GMT -5
The bolded part is what I agree with most. People were excited about new music when 25 released. Now...are people really as excited about a new album from her as they were from 25? A small few are, sure, but I don't think we can completely ignore how much the landscape has changed. Sales are going to be a much tougher sell this time around, streaming is where it's at. Which is unprecedented territory for Adele...25 wasn't available to stream right away. I am going to go on record (and feel free to quote me if I'm wrong) but I don't see her opening coming anywhere near 25's opening. It'll be big--probably 1 million SPS--but it will pale in comparison to 25. I remain unconvinced she will do as well in streaming as some people seem to think she will. If she releases Q4, I also truly don't see us out of the woods with COVID by the end of this year. I think we'll be close, but I still think people are going to be skeptical about going to retailers come Q4 still. That could impact sales as well. The longevity of the album is an interesting discussion. In this, I think she'll do...okay. Assuming she has pop radio support (which is an assumption...she's getting older, and pop radio can be fickle), I think she could have moderately singles post-album. However, WWWY, SML and WUTB didn't really do "that" well...I don't see anything from this album doing better, other than the lead. She might be better off releasing 1-2 singles from it and calling it good honestly. People REALLY underestimate the boomer demographic. To them, 25 could have come out last year. Adele isn’t a pop star that faces kryptonite when her audience graduates from middle school to high school. She’s a completely different brand that also sees radio success due to the commercial pandemonium that her new releases attract. She’s opening with a million - minimum. 1.5 SPS. For the rest of her career. I disagree. Do we really think boomers make up a large portion of Adele's target market? I get her not appealing to high school students, but I don't see boomers going out to buy her albums either. Millennials and Gen X, yes. But most of that market has moved on to streaming. I very highly doubt she does 1 million in sales in her first week. 1 million SPS, sure. Also, we have to accept the fact that Adele will eventually fade into obscurity. This album will not have as much hype as 25 did. Adele 5 (whenever that comes out...2026?) will have even less. Her long breaks are going to get old, just like releasing a new album every 1-2 years gets old after a while. Hopefully, she eventually switches it up a bit.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 10, 2021 17:40:58 GMT -5
I think a solid 2 singles is all she needs. Pop radio won't take a 3rd single anyways. Let's be real. Taylor can't even get ONE single to the Top 10, what makes anyone think radio will give Adele 3 straight? That being said, the whole album will undoubtedly debut on the Hot 100.
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Post by kamala 2024 truther on Mar 10, 2021 18:05:10 GMT -5
People REALLY underestimate the boomer demographic. To them, 25 could have come out last year. Adele isn’t a pop star that faces kryptonite when her audience graduates from middle school to high school. She’s a completely different brand that also sees radio success due to the commercial pandemonium that her new releases attract. She’s opening with a million - minimum. 1.5 SPS. For the rest of her career. This album will not have as much hype as 25 did. Strongly disagree. An appearance on SNL last October (having literally NOTHING to do with any sort of new music), and she was the top trend for over a week. The constant rumors of new music sound to me (imo of course) like desperation from literally Mother Earth herself for this record. The world has been on pins and needles ever since hearing her sing her old hits on SNL and for years beforehand, and when she finally blesses us, the world and Internet will lose their minds. She'll be trending for ages while the album shatters streaming records like Ariana and Taylor combined couldn't come up with if they tried. Whether she sells 1m SPS first week or 1M pure, she will blast a grenade through the year's album stats.
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Post by ampersand on Mar 10, 2021 20:21:04 GMT -5
People REALLY underestimate the boomer demographic. To them, 25 could have come out last year. Adele isn’t a pop star that faces kryptonite when her audience graduates from middle school to high school. She’s a completely different brand that also sees radio success due to the commercial pandemonium that her new releases attract. She’s opening with a million - minimum. 1.5 SPS. For the rest of her career. I disagree. Do we really think boomers make up a large portion of Adele's target market? I get her not appealing to high school students, but I don't see boomers going out to buy her albums either. Millennials and Gen X, yes. But most of that market has moved on to streaming. I very highly doubt she does 1 million in sales in her first week. 1 million SPS, sure. Also, we have to accept the fact that Adele will eventually fade into obscurity. This album will not have as much hype as 25 did. Adele 5 (whenever that comes out...2026?) will have even less. Her long breaks are going to get old, just like releasing a new album every 1-2 years gets old after a while. Hopefully, she eventually switches it up a bit. LOL, what? There is literally no indication that will happen. I don't know who you're talking about it because it surely cannot be Adele. She is not some flash-in-the-pan teen idol that needs to release music every few months to keep her audience engaged. You can't approach her career the same way you would a normal pop girl.
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Post by martinittoe on Mar 11, 2021 8:35:09 GMT -5
Loads of people saying its a surprise drop this or next friday. What do you think about that?
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Post by Choco on Mar 11, 2021 8:36:47 GMT -5
Lies.
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Post by wavey. on Mar 11, 2021 8:56:13 GMT -5
Shes definitely pulling a million at least first week.
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Post by kalmanta on Mar 11, 2021 9:35:10 GMT -5
Does anybody know how big the share of digital sales was 1st week for 25? It has to be over 1M, right?
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Post by lincroft on Mar 11, 2021 17:35:01 GMT -5
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Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Mar 12, 2021 13:59:39 GMT -5
totally. what is adele without CD sales and a november drop?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 14:20:26 GMT -5
Adele gonna come through in late May with a summer club banger for the vaccinated girls and leave us all bald and gagging
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Post by Janhova's Witness on Apr 2, 2021 23:20:37 GMT -5
Currently listening to “I Miss You” playing on CBC radio 1 😌
Ugh I need Adele 😤WHERE U AT ADELE 🗣🗣🗣
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Post by bat1990 on Apr 26, 2021 17:55:13 GMT -5
Sorry for psyching you all out with no news. I'm finally getting around to finishing my posts of the artists' Billboard Radio Histories. {Billboard Radio Monitor} Chasing Pavements | Adult Top 40 | 16 | 23 | 11/22/2008 |
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Chasing Pavements | Adult Contemporary | 23 | 13 | 1/24/2009 | Chasing Pavements | Adult Album Alternative | 25 | 11 | 2/14/2009 | Chasing Pavements | Digital Songs | 10 | 6 | 2/28/2009 | Right as Rain | Adult Album Alternative | 8 | 20 | 3/14/2009 | Rolling in The Deep | Adult Album Alternative | 1 | 29 | 2/12/2011 | Turning Tables | Digital Songs | 37 | 3 | 5/7/2011 | Rolling in The Deep | Adult Top 40 | 1 | 39 | 5/14/2011 | Rolling in The Deep | Alternative | 21 | 20 | 5/14/2011 | Rolling in The Deep | Digital Songs | 1 | 72 | 5/21/2011 | Rolling in The Deep | Mainstream Top 40 | 1 | 23 | 6/11/2011 | Rolling in The Deep | Dance/Mix Show | 2 | 20 | 6/11/2011 | Rolling in The Deep | Rhythmic | 12 | 15 | 7/2/2011 | Rolling in The Deep | Adult Contemporary | 1 | 51 | 7/2/2011 | Rolling in The Deep | R&B/Hip Hop | 61 | 20 | 7/9/2011 | Lovesong | Smooth Jazz | 18 | 14 | 7/16/2011 | Rumour Has It | Adult Album Alternative | 1 | 20 | 8/6/2011 | Rolling in The Deep | Latin Pop | 16 | 15 | 9/3/2011 | Someone Like You | Digital Songs | 1 | 40 | 9/17/2011 | Rumour Has It | Alternative | 40 | 1 | 9/24/2011 | Someone Like You | Adult Album Alternative | 2 | 20 | 10/8/2011 | Someone Like You | Mainstream Top 40 | 2 | 23 | 10/22/2011 | Someone Like You | Adult Top 40 | 1 | 26 | 10/22/2011 | Someone Like You | Dance/Mix Show | 5 | 16 | 11/12/2011 | Someone Like You | Latin Pop | 6 | 19 | 11/26/2011 | Someone Like You | Rhythmic | 19 | 16 | 12/3/2011 | Someone Like You | Adult Contemporary | 1 | 42 | 12/3/2011 | Set Fire to The Rain | Digital Songs | 1 | 45 | 1/28/2012 | Set Fire To The Rain | Alternative | 31 | 3 | 2/4/2012 | Set Fire To The Rain | Adult Top 40 | 1 | 26 | 2/18/2012 | Set Fire To The Rain | Latin Pop | 10 | 19 | 2/18/2012 | Set Fire To The Rain | Mainstream Top 40 | 1 | 20 | 2/25/2012 | Set Fire To The Rain | Dance/Mix Show | 3 | 17 | 3/3/2012 | Set Fire To The Rain | Adult Album Alternative | 2 | 20 | 3/10/2012 | Set Fire To The Rain | Rhythmic | 16 | 15 | 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Post by Caviar on May 5, 2021 9:57:04 GMT -5
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Post by wjr15 on May 5, 2021 14:53:09 GMT -5
*enters Adele thread*
No news on her next album?
*exits Adele thread*
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Post by bat1990 on May 5, 2021 19:07:11 GMT -5
The constant rumors of new music sound to me (imo of course) like desperation from literally Mother Earth herself for this record. I am living for this sentence!!!
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Post by kamala 2024 truther on Jun 11, 2021 17:42:52 GMT -5
Shameless plug for my own hit tweet because it's just so true. The literal Lorde herself has dropped an album, had a hiatus and returned again in the time since 25. I'm getting f**king antsy!!!!
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 20, 2021 10:43:17 GMT -5
My excitement has kind of dropped in the last couple years. The false starts and rumours, which would probably normally fuel hype, but the six years since the last album, I’m kind of moving on. I’m sure the pandemic fucked with her schedule and plans a bit but even then, there were rumours of the album dropping pre-pandemic too. I’m sure I’ll change my tune when official news drops but for now I’m like, meh. I’ll believe it when I see it.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jun 21, 2021 0:16:10 GMT -5
I think it’s gonna flop by her standards and there is no way of getting numbers higher than they were before. Unless….the song is better than Hello, which is a very tall order. Otherwise they should be assuming declining numbers.
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Post by circadian on Jun 21, 2021 2:51:51 GMT -5
I think it’s gonna flop by her standards and there is no way of getting numbers higher than they were before. Unless….the song is better than Hello, which is a very tall order. Otherwise they should be assuming declining numbers. She's definitely not gonna sell as well as 25, no one will ever do that. But anything close to 50% of what she sold with 25 would be a huge success IMO. I still think if someone can move albums in 2021, it's her. 25 sold around 18M back in 2015, doubling the 9M sold by the best selling album of 2014 (the Frozen soundtrack). I know the industry has changed a lot in 6 years, but I wouldn't be surprised if she gets close to 10M with the next album. She doesn't even need to top 'Hello' as long as the first single is 'okay'. It would have to be a nails on a chalkboard of a song for the era to flop. If she has at least 3 songs that are up to the quality people expect from her, then it's game over, she'll get there. I'm really really excited to she how this project charts.
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Post by Envoirment on Jun 21, 2021 14:44:41 GMT -5
If there's one thing you shouldn't do - it's underestimate Adele. I can still see a Q4 release selling 10 million+ worldwide based on hype alone.
I just hope they push multiple singles to radio with music videos to keep the album selling throughout the year after.
Also, with the recent rise of Vinyl, I hope they have 1 million+ vinyls of the album ready for release week. I'm sure she could sell massive amounts of vinyl.
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Post by musicfan134 on Jun 21, 2021 16:54:08 GMT -5
Oh, she'll move albums and do really well compared to everyone else, but if anyone thinks she's going to outsell 25's first week, they're kidding themselves. 1 million first week, SPS, maybe. She isn't going to drop in popularity, she already has.
And, I'm sorry, but what hype? We're going on 6 years since the release of 25. That, quite frankly, is too long. People aren't talking about her like they were in 2014, 2015, etc. I don't hear anyone talking about her outside of this thread. No one on TV, radio, social media, or irl.
She can only have so many comebacks before it gets to be old news. This will be comeback #2.
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Post by circadian on Jun 21, 2021 21:30:00 GMT -5
And, I'm sorry, but what hype? We're going on 6 years since the release of 25. That, quite frankly, is too long. People aren't talking about her like they were in 2014, 2015, etc. I don't hear anyone talking about her outside of this thread. No one on TV, radio, social media, or irl. Does she really need to be a trending topic right now though? With 25 all she needed was a 20 second clip of 'Hello' 5 days before the release of the song. Before that she had been MIA for at least a year and a half. She tweeted a tease of the album being called 25 on May 2014 but that was it until October 2015. It's tricky to know where she stands on the GP consciousness, we would need some confirmation to assess that, but I'm convinced once she releases a title, a date or a clip things will explode quickly with her audience.
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Post by toomuchboy on Jun 21, 2021 21:34:46 GMT -5
I think it’s gonna flop by her standards and there is no way of getting numbers higher than they were before. Unless….the song is better than Hello, which is a very tall order. Otherwise they should be assuming declining numbers. She could do a double-disc album.
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Post by musicfan134 on Jun 21, 2021 22:27:07 GMT -5
And, I'm sorry, but what hype? We're going on 6 years since the release of 25. That, quite frankly, is too long. People aren't talking about her like they were in 2014, 2015, etc. I don't hear anyone talking about her outside of this thread. No one on TV, radio, social media, or irl. Does she really need to be a trending topic right now though? With 25 all she needed was a 20 second clip of 'Hello' 5 days before the release of the song. Before that she had been MIA for at least a year and a half. She tweeted a tease of the album being called 25 on May 2014 but that was it until October 2015. It's tricky to know where she stands on the GP consciousness, we would need some confirmation to assess that, but I'm convinced once she releases a title, a date or a clip things will explode quickly with her audience. Perhaps. We just won't know until she releases it. However, I remain unconvinced that she will retain the same amount of hype she had in 2014/2015. I am 100% sure it will be less, perhaps insignificantly less, but less.
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Post by spiritboy on Jun 22, 2021 6:16:55 GMT -5
I do think new Rihanna music has more hype than new Adele at this point.
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Post by Caviar on Jun 22, 2021 16:18:21 GMT -5
SNL had one of their highest ratings of the season when Adele hosted. Don't think a new single/album will fall on deaf ears.
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