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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Jan 21, 2022 20:49:16 GMT -5
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Jan 21, 2022 20:51:45 GMT -5
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Post by back2blk on Jan 21, 2022 21:27:27 GMT -5
Right. Weeks ago tells me her team didn’t have a valid excuse to get out of her contract.
I don’t know, I just don’t think Adele’s hands are totally clean - there are successful shows going on now.
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Post by Caviar on Jan 21, 2022 22:41:35 GMT -5
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Post by dwhite725 on Jan 23, 2022 0:44:50 GMT -5
I just don’t understand why she couldn’t go out and sing? It’s not like she’s s Janet or Britney or Katy who have all these dancers. Do a very stripped down version of all her songs. Just a piano, guitar, drums, that’s it I think the fans would have DiED for that. She could’ve announced that the full show wasn’t ready but she was going to give the fans what she could.
There is obviously more going on though if all the dates have been postponed if I’m understanding correctly
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 23, 2022 1:12:43 GMT -5
They need people for lights, sound, stage managers, plus security, ticket checkers, ushers probably. It’s not like she’s the only one who puts on a show.
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Post by Choco on Jan 23, 2022 8:53:47 GMT -5
If I had paid a trip and a hotel and she cancelled on me the day before the show I would probably never bother going to her show ever again tbh. I understand it was probably out of her control but that still wouldn't make up for the financial hit.
If this was truly on Ceaesar's Palace I expect her to get out of that contract well before the show is re-scheduled.
I feel her pain and still love her, but there was no excuse for the biggest act in the world to get involved in such an avoidable mess.
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Post by thewp on Jan 23, 2022 11:07:52 GMT -5
They need people for lights, sound, stage managers, plus security, ticket checkers, ushers probably. It’s not like she’s the only one who puts on a show. It’s not like Katy or Carrie haven’t also just started new residencies. Not to mention all the other shows going on in Vegas. Adele didn’t cancel her whole show because the venue didn’t have ushers.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 23, 2022 14:31:57 GMT -5
They need people for lights, sound, stage managers, plus security, ticket checkers, ushers probably. It’s not like she’s the only one who puts on a show. It’s not like Katy or Carrie haven’t also just started new residencies. Not to mention all the other shows going on in Vegas. Adele didn’t cancel her whole show because the venue didn’t have ushers. Yes. Focus on the lowest people on the list.
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Post by Envoirment on Jan 23, 2022 16:06:39 GMT -5
They need people for lights, sound, stage managers, plus security, ticket checkers, ushers probably. It’s not like she’s the only one who puts on a show. It’s not like Katy or Carrie haven’t also just started new residencies. Not to mention all the other shows going on in Vegas. Adele didn’t cancel her whole show because the venue didn’t have ushers. Are half of Katy and Carrie's team down with Covid? If they were I very much doubt their shows would be going on. I have a feeling it was partly rotten luck. It's likely a couple of Adele's team caught Covid and then it spread throughout her entire team. Similar things have happened in my work place whereby one area is fine and dandy, but then there's been an outbreak of Covid elsewhere and a lot of people off etc.
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Post by ampersand on Jan 23, 2022 16:06:59 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see what the show is actually like considering all this fuss. I respect the artist and the art, but doesn't Adele just stand there and sing? What was so catastrophic that she couldn't do exactly that, which someone here already suggested. I'm sure the fans who had tickets and made all the travel arrangements would have lived for that.
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Post by Envoirment on Jan 23, 2022 16:15:00 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see what the show is actually like considering all this fuss. I respect the artist and the art, but doesn't Adele just stand there and sing? What was so catastrophic that she couldn't do exactly that, which someone here already suggested. I'm sure the fans who had tickets and made all the travel arrangements would have lived for that. If half her team are down with Covid, she might be isolating? Or she may have even tested positive herself. Otherwise I agree she could've postponed etc and then did a small concert for those fans who had already arrived in Vegas. And I'm sure her show will be big and extravegant with lots of dancers, big props etc. Even if she's just standing and singing, there will be all sorts of theatrics going on. Not to mention she does have a number of more mid-uptempo numbers. Just look at Celine's performances of "My Heart Will Go On" or "I Surrender" from her Vegas show. She stands and sings most of it, but there's all sorts going on around the stage. Actors/dancers/lighting/imagery etc.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Jan 23, 2022 16:20:25 GMT -5
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Post by Choco on Jan 23, 2022 17:57:08 GMT -5
The facetime thing was cute.
I'm fairly sure Adele herself did not test positive. It would have saved her a lot of pain and hate if she just came out and said "I've got COVID see y'all in six months".
I truly think it was either the venue holding her "hostage" or a near impossible confluence of mistakes and positive cases adding up to a very late cancellation.
Y'all acting like ushers and security aren't needed but if something happened because of no security she would be cancelled way harder than Travis Scott ever was.
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Post by musicfan134 on Jan 23, 2022 19:03:21 GMT -5
It really doesn't matter what the reason was, there really is no excuse for waiting until the day before opening night to postpone the whole thing. Venue issues, staffing problems, covid. All of those things are things that they've known about and dealt with for months now. At the absolute latest, they should've done a press release on Monday postponing at least this opening weekend.
I should clarify, I don't think Adele is solely to blame for this. But it does make her look bad. The facetime thing was cute, yes, but I'd still be pissed if I spent hundreds of dollars on airfare, hotel, etc. to go to an Adele concert and then it was cancelled while I was on the plane for something that they've known about for a while. Covid has been a thing for almost two years. Yes we should be used to it, but that goes both ways.
On a side note, I'm shocked she doesn't have backups for her band and team. Probably something she should work on given what just happened, assuming it's a people issue.
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Post by ampersand on Jan 23, 2022 19:21:59 GMT -5
^ Yeah, I don’t think the cancelling itself is the issue here. People are just pointing out that it is bizarre and unprofessional of her/them to cancel literally the day before when I’m sure the issues were mounting for days/weeks leading up to opening night. Anyway, I don’t really have any skin in the game since I don’t have tickets to the show, but hopefully everything works out in the end.
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Post by magik on Jan 23, 2022 19:29:27 GMT -5
In response to those who say that she just stands there and sing, have you ever actually been to a show of this magnitude? That type of show still requires planning, audio, visuals, etc. Not defending or dismissing Adele because there must be something else going on behind the scenes to make such a drastic decision at the very last minute. But I cringe at the "doesn't she just stands there and sing" in this particular argument.
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Post by Envoirment on Jan 23, 2022 19:38:39 GMT -5
She was likely in a tough spot contractually though?
I mean she could've warned everyone on her social media weeks ago/told everyone it's not ready etc. But then she would've likely come under fire from the venue/ticket people with possible lawsuits? It's a tough situation to be in.
Of course I feel sorry for the fans affected the most, especially those that are going to be out of pocket a lot of money if they can't reschedule/rebook or get refunds.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Jan 23, 2022 23:31:24 GMT -5
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Post by iHype. on Jan 24, 2022 0:19:10 GMT -5
COVID is going crazy this month. But it is weird/sucky they didn't see the writing on the wall till the absolute last minute.
I also find it weird that Live Nation even *let* it fall apart and they get moreso a side-eye. The touring industry has been on life-support for 2 years and this is one superstar finally willing to try to help revive it. I imagine Vegas/Cesar's Palace has also been hit hard in tourism.
You think they would be doing everything possible in their power to have ensured that the residency would have had happened and been properly prepared for under any circumstance. Things delivered in advance, backup staff on call, emergency contacts, proper COVID precautions that staff follow to prevent spread, etc.
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Post by Snowbeast on Jan 24, 2022 1:37:56 GMT -5
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 24, 2022 2:07:29 GMT -5
^Perry’s residency has been confirmed, announced, and in the works long before Adele even announced the start of this entire 30 era. Doesn’t seem like timing was ever on Adele & Co.‘s side with this project. It didn’t even announce until 6-7 weeks ahead of its first scheduled show.
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Post by PerPlexied on Jan 24, 2022 9:19:13 GMT -5
This shouldn't be an argument. The show shouldn't have been cancelled within a day of launch. Period. They didn't wake up that morning and half the staff tested positive. Covid is just a predictable excuse, IMO.
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Post by Choco on Jan 24, 2022 11:04:37 GMT -5
I think the one thing we can all agree is that there was no excuse for the last minute delay.
I don't buy the set design thing either. That would have been a clear delay sign well before the day just before the show.
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Post by wjr15 on Jan 24, 2022 11:27:28 GMT -5
While it is sad and unfortunate that Adele had to cancel her shows, it’s the very last minute cancellation that would have me annoyed if I was going to get show. I do feel bad for Adele because you can tell she truly is sad she had to cancel but I feel worse for the fans who already traveled to Vegas and paid for flights and hotels to see her show. It is a bit unprofessional to cancel your residency 24 hours before it starts. By then, people for the first shows were most likely already in or in route to Vegas. It was nice that Adele contacted some fans directly, but I think she should reimburse the flights and hotels of fans who were seeing her that first weekend.
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Post by Caviar on Jan 24, 2022 13:36:42 GMT -5
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Post by spiritboy on Jan 24, 2022 14:32:50 GMT -5
While it's awful for the fans, it's not as bad as Madonna cancelling her Madame X show the last minute in Miami. People literally learned of the cancellation 5 minutes before the show, there was no announcement beforehand. :kii:
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Post by kimberly on Jan 25, 2022 2:54:16 GMT -5
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Post by Au$tin on Jan 25, 2022 14:10:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I've got to chime in because as someone who actually has experience in the music business and the logistics side of performances, this absolutely cannot be pinned on Adele 100%. Even for a small venue for a small performer, there's at least a dozen other people involved in making that show go on with multiple contracts. Now we're talking about the most in demand live performer right now in one of the most well known venues in the world. To say there might be over thousands of people working on this project is not a far fetched idea. And the contracts? Lord, there's probably a headache amount of them. And to find out she was working with non-union musicians? (Probably not even her idea either.) Yeah, this points to a lot, and I do mean a lot of cogs in the machine malfunctioning and bad decisions all over the damn place from multiple people.
It sucks. It really does. But it's entirely possible to sympathize with both the performers and the concertgoers in this situation. There isn't one true person or entity that is to blame here, there are several small instances that caused a domino effect to a truly upsetting result of a cancelled performance hours before it was supposed to happen. Getting upset at anyone in particular isn't really helpful or right. It's human nature to want to do that, I understand that, but there were just way too many variables here to pin it on one person or entity in particular.
From what we know, it sounds like the group of persons mostly to blame come from the venue itself, but even then that's a stretch to come to that conclusion. Could Adele have made a statement days or even weeks before the opening night letting everyone know what was going on and that she was unsure of what was going to happen? Sure, but would that really have been helpful for anyone? Maybe a few, but it's clear she wasn't able to make a clear definitive statement until the moment she did, so there still would have been thousands of patrons spending money to get to Vegas regardless.
All in all, this is a sucky situation. It's awful for everyone involved. However, Adele will continue to be successful and the people who lost money on this concert will be fine. This will eventually all blow over. Heads may roll on the business end for both the venue and Adele's team, though.
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