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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 14:26:00 GMT -5
Seriously, what did bb ever do to hitsdd? Because it seems like they keep sending shots every week It's one thing to "understand the complexities of today's business" (which I think BB does, or at least does their best), but it's another to actually translate/interpret/integrate those complexities into the BB200 and the Hot 100. It's an increasingly more and more difficult market/industry to convey in BB's two big comprehensive charts. HDD. is. trying. it. and look petty. |
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Aug 28, 2018 14:26:27 GMT -5
Seriously, what did bb ever do to hitsdd? Because it seems like they keep sending shots every week Why shouldn't they, they're competitors lol |
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Post by thelegends on Aug 28, 2018 15:39:55 GMT -5
Idk if what I going to say is funny, but this is serious for real.
Youtube Most Viewed Songs Globally(Last 24 Hours):
1 - BTS - Idol (9,879,390 views)
2 - Maroon 5 ft. Cardi B - Girls Like You (8,256,226 views)
3 - Osito Gominola (The Gummy Bear Song in Spanish) (6,702,310 views)
4 - Becky G and Natti Natasha - Sin Pijama (5,056,509 views)
Osito Gominola is catching up quickly to Girls Like You in daily views. By next week, Osito Gominola will be the most watched song on Youtube globally.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Aug 28, 2018 15:41:59 GMT -5
PERFECT IS STILL TOP 20?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!
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Post by jebsib on Aug 28, 2018 15:44:38 GMT -5
There's a difference between being in competition & critical and then being catty & unprofessional. HDD has every right to say what they want, but man, they come off small.
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 28, 2018 16:00:03 GMT -5
I am starting to see the charts less and less "accurate" no one at my school plays IMF, calling the song, "annoying", "not good" and "old". I feel like the new songs trending are "FEFE", any Travis Scott, and ofc "Mooo" (hahaha honestly never gave this song a thorough listen before). Yeah, Billboard should just poll people at your school to compile the Hot 100 and leave it at that. |
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Post by Harx on Aug 28, 2018 16:08:15 GMT -5
PERFECT IS STILL TOP 20?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?! Also its 52nd week! Full f**kin year on Hot 100! |
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Post by marc980 on Aug 28, 2018 17:38:29 GMT -5
I was seeing the chart and then I paid attention to a thing: How much time Yes Indeed is stuck at 20s of Hot 100? It's always at #14 to #18 position EVERY CHART
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Post by sam8432 on Aug 28, 2018 19:09:17 GMT -5
I was seeing the chart and then I paid attention to a thing: How much time Yes Indeed is stuck at 20s of Hot 100? It's always at #14 to #18 position EVERY CHART Its chart run so far is 49- 6-6-15-11-12-11-26-17-16-14-14-18-15-14. So, it spent 11 weeks between 10 and 20 if that's what you mean. |
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Post by garrettlen on Aug 28, 2018 19:48:19 GMT -5
Pop goes up and down in cycles and has for 70 years: Top 40 radio ratings are much lower than 5 years before, the superstars of the last 10 years burned out, r&b ascends, a few years of weak unmemorable pop music and c-tier artists will be followed by years of a resurgence. 1953, 1961, 1972, 1981, 1992, 2001, 2016. PDs and culturalists just ride it out. 1961? I would think the resurgence in the 60's would've been 1964 considering that's when the Beatles and the British Invasion broke on to the American charts. |
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Post by garrettlen on Aug 28, 2018 19:49:48 GMT -5
Seriously, what did bb ever do to hitsdd? Because it seems like they keep sending shots every week HDD wants so badly to be Billboard when they grow up. |
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Post by marc980 on Aug 28, 2018 20:47:10 GMT -5
I was seeing the chart and then I paid attention to a thing: How much time Yes Indeed is stuck at 20s of Hot 100? It's always at #14 to #18 position EVERY CHART Its chart run so far is 49- 6-6-15-11-12-11-26-17-16-14-14-18-15-14. So, it spent 11 weeks between 10 and 20 if that's what you mean. Exactly this! Thank you, I'm really impressed by the longevity of the song |
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Post by jebsib on Aug 28, 2018 21:55:51 GMT -5
garrettlen, all those years were the nadirs or beginnings of the respective decade pop slumps. So 1961 was an example of when pop was pretty weak in the 60s leading to the cyclical rebirth in 1964 that you mentioned.
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Post by garrettlen on Aug 28, 2018 22:10:32 GMT -5
garrettlen, all those years were the nadirs or beginnings of the respective decade pop slumps. So 1961 was an example of when pop was pretty weak in the 60s leading to the cyclical rebirth in 1964 that you mentioned. oh ok. my mistake then. thanks. |
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Post by tomgsinger on Aug 28, 2018 22:18:43 GMT -5
Does anybody have access to all of the indicator charts from January 2016 (or at least anytime before last August) onwards, including the top 20 recurrents? I’d appreciate if anyone was able to set me up with these charts as I need them for a project
Thanks in advance,
Tom
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 28, 2018 22:22:59 GMT -5
garrettlen, all those years were the nadirs or beginnings of the respective decade pop slumps. So 1961 was an example of when pop was pretty weak in the 60s leading to the cyclical rebirth in 1964 that you mentioned. It is interesting to look back on some of these, particularly the ones we were around for and aware of. I remember 2001 and can understand why pop radio was tired. I think the bubblegum pop sounds of the late 90s lead to the worst couple of years of pop music in the last 25 years. There were gems and classics but the pop and R&B ballads that dominated the airwaves were dreadful and so numerous. I occasionally listen to old episodes of Casey Kasem's top 40 countdowns (ranging from 1993 to 2003) and when I put on shows from 1999 and 2000s, there are so many songs I have no interest in ever hearing again. It wasn't until 2001 when hip-hop started to make its way in that it began to pick up again, along with the start of the acoustic pop/rock era. 2016 followed years of EDM-heavy music, much like 1981 followed years of disco. Not sure what would have led to the 1992 slump. But the cycles are interesting to watch and I think the next couple years will be fun - hopefully. |
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Post by 85la on Aug 29, 2018 1:10:24 GMT -5
THE BIBLE'S
CHART MESSEverybody in the business knows that Billboard’s chart methodology is a mess. It’s not just Nicki Minaj’s tirade against all things bundle-able. The real problem is that nobody on its staff understands the complexities of today’s business—and not one top executive there has ever worked for the rights holders. Add to this mix the severely tarnished John Amato, who led the Bible to its latest stupidity like a drunken NYC Uber driver with no GPS, and matters get especially ugly. Amato had been on a self-aggrandizement trajectory of late, and if that $18 million payout he’s so brazenly been telling friends about is accurate, he did succeed. Which makes his own story even more vile. But the damage can’t be laid at his feet alone: The place has been a s**t show for the entirety of the 21st century. It has no vision and no voice; it gets zero respect. Its charts were the last vestige of a once-great brand, and now even that’s over. Billboard is now regarded as the #4 music trade in the business. Or maybe #5. One ray of hope: The new management team from Media Rights Capital (MRC), Modi Wiczyk and Asif Satchu—who boast massive success in film (Baby Driver) and TV (House of Cards)—may yet figure this puzzle out. Smart guys with great access haven’t always had the right stuff to figure out music’s conundrums, but hey, you never know. Those who know the pair well say they’re egoless in their process. One thing’s for sure: They won’t be led around the ring by the nose by the likes of Lyor Cohen and his truthless banter. Biz watchers wonder when the YouTube brain trust will jettison him like all his past partners or employers—except for one, of course. hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=313161  Yeah this latest indictment is odd, non-specific, and typically childish of HDD. I thought Billboard followed their wish about counting YouTube views less in their new formula, so why are they still on their case about YouTube? They don't give any specifics about how Billboard has been a "s**t show" for the entire 21st century, nor offer any specific alternatives for how they can change their methodology to better reflect music popularity (at least in this article). |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Aug 29, 2018 3:10:37 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 4:22:32 GMT -5
Omg if they collaborated r.i.p the charts number one:20 weeks a year in the top ten 120 weeks total on the hot 100 |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Aug 29, 2018 4:29:36 GMT -5
Omg if they collaborated r.i.p the charts number one:20 weeks a year in the top ten 120 weeks total on the hot 100 Lol, I was just thinking the same thing. The two biggest forces in streaming coming together? Would be something else. |
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 29, 2018 4:38:40 GMT -5
Just like Taylor Swift and Ed Sheeran and Future was "something else", End Game was the biggest chart smash in history.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 4:55:12 GMT -5
Just like Taylor Swift and Ed Sheeran and Future was "something else", End Game was the biggest chart smash in history. We really gonna pretend like future is comparable to the greatest man to ever be in the rap game |
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 29, 2018 4:57:10 GMT -5
Just like Taylor Swift and Ed Sheeran and Future was "something else", End Game was the biggest chart smash in history. We really gonna pretend like future is comparable to the greatest man to ever be in the rap game No. |
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Post by kierz7 on Aug 29, 2018 5:17:36 GMT -5
Just like Taylor Swift and Ed Sheeran and Future was "something else", End Game was the biggest chart smash in history. We really gonna pretend like future is comparable to the greatest man to ever be in the rap game The Greatest Man Ever In The Rap Game"? In what context exactly? A true, genuine, repectable Hip-Hop/Rap fan would never speak such words, in which case, God Bless your opinions. Commercially? As of 2018, he's second to Eminem in the U.S overall, and has had more dominance over the singles chart than any other "Rapper" in history. Artistically? Lyrically? Critically? LMFAO. |
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Post by willapted33 on Aug 29, 2018 5:20:31 GMT -5
Future >>>>>>>>>>> Drake in 2018
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 5:20:47 GMT -5
We really gonna pretend like future is comparable to the greatest man to ever be in the rap game No. Ugh it's brothers me that the most successful rapper commercially is a white guy |
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Post by kierz7 on Aug 29, 2018 5:21:04 GMT -5
If Ed Sheeran was unable to produce a "smash-hit" with collaborations alongside:
- Taylor Swift
- Eminem
- Future
What leads us to believe that such would be any different if Drake were involved?
Sheeran's collaborations have rarely performed well outside of the U.K, his most dominant market.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 5:23:58 GMT -5
If Ed Sheeran was unable to produce a "smash-hit" with collaborations alongside: - Taylor Swift - Eminem - Future What leads us to believe that such would be any different if Drake were involved? Sheeran's collaborations have rarely performed well outside of the U.K, his most dominant market. Eminem has longed peaked, Taylor didn't promote end game at all (I believe if she had it would of taken off) and future is just not comparable to the other three. drake is in his comerrical peak now, or close to it so a Sheehan and drake collab at the top his game would smash imo. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Aug 29, 2018 6:02:09 GMT -5
If Ed Sheeran was unable to produce a "smash-hit" with collaborations alongside: - Taylor Swift - Eminem - Future What leads us to believe that such would be any different if Drake were involved? Sheeran's collaborations have rarely performed well outside of the U.K, his most dominant market. Taylor's commercial viability has long weaned off since her last album era, if we're being honest. Future has never been one to dominate the charts and wasn't that particular single like the third or fourth off Taylor's album? I'm curious about the dominance the song would have on both streaming services and radio, both platforms that Ed does really well on, along with Drake. Drake's collabs have done really well this year, and we don't know how well or how bad a collab between him and Ed would go so I don't know how y'all are so confident that a collab between them would flop. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Aug 29, 2018 6:05:41 GMT -5
We really gonna pretend like future is comparable to the greatest man to ever be in the rap game The Greatest Man Ever In The Rap Game"? In what context exactly? A true, genuine, repectable Hip-Hop/Rap fan would never speak such words, in which case, God Bless your opinions. Commercially? As of 2018, he's second to Eminem in the U.S overall, and has had more dominance over the singles chart than any other "Rapper" in history. Artistically? Lyrically? Critically? LMFAO. Eminem is only besting Drake lyrically this year and by extension, this decade. But that goes for damn near every rapper. He's a lyrical mastermind. But Eminem doesn't make better songs or better music than Drake. Eminem's albums this decade have been bashed to hell and back critically and artistically, this decade has been his worst, audiences and critics all agree on that. Of course, he's still the most successful rapper of all time, but Drake draws closer and closer to his achievements commercially with each passing year. |
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