Billboard Hot 100: 10/13/18

[fhas]

YouTube FINALLY updated the numbers for Lil Wayne's album tracks! Mona Lisa is slightly above GLY for this week's #1 (32,300 vs. 32,200).

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Oct 8, 2018 0:52:13 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Oct 7, 2018 23:49:48 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Were the Vikings the first ones to find the land?

Leif Eriksson led the first expedition to North America, those vikings were the first europeans to set foot in North America. Here's an article explaining the whole story

So they discovered the land?

[kcdawg13]

Oct 8, 2018 11:22:59 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Oct 8, 2018 0:52:13 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Leif Eriksson led the first expedition to North America, those vikings were the first europeans to set foot in North America. Here's an article explaining the whole story

So they discovered the land?

Yes, of course not including the native americans who were here first, but they were already here so they didn't discover it.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Oct 8, 2018 3:06:39 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Oct 8, 2018 2:25:11 GMT -5 Codex said:

I’m not saying they should have counted as 3.3 million sales. But even a tenth of that would have occupied the entire top 11.

If, say, 25% of album sales counted as song sales on opening week, that would paint a more realistic picture of album bombs for non-streaming artists. Like in your Carrie Underwood example, her SPS numbers were the same as Cardi, but without an album bomb. Giving all of her songs 60k sales would have resulted in a similar bomb to what Cardi had.

Going back to my Taylor example, 1.2 million / 4 = 300k track sales for each song would have given a pretty realistic album bomb for her as well, considering how colossal the hype was.

But again, we’re not opining on what the perfect methodology should be, we’re just commenting that Drake’s album bomb was only historic due to current streaming bias rules, and that older albums like 25, 1989, Oops, Born This Way etc were just as big, but the Hot 100 charts didn’t show it yet back then.

I don’t understand what you’re trying to argue. Do you think Scorpion is bigger than 25?

300k is still kinda notably inflating. Weren't the promo-singles (Gorgeous, Call It What You Want, etc) doing under 100k released individually?

And what about some other ticket-bundle fueled albums. Kenny Chesney's live performance album that did 250k first week based almost entirely off ticket bundles -- are we suppose to add 62.5k sales (250k/4) to every single live performance album track? We're supposed to believe his 29 live performance album tracks had more 'sales' than the #1-selling song of that week? And that they would've sold nearly that much if released individually? Lbr that album was just a freebie that most fans probably didn’t even listen to more than once. Just something cute to claim.


As I'm pointing out it has nothing to do with thinking Scorpion is bigger than 25 (it isn't), it's just that adding album sales impact to Hot 100 just really isn't the same thing at all.

It’s really complex whereas with streaming you just have the actual full numbers regarding engagement with each song.

The point isn’t even with the individual artists like Taylor and Drake and Carrie and whoever. It’s that a thousand people can listen to a new album - whatever that album is, and have it count toward the album and singles charts. Whereas 1000 people can buy an album - whatever album, and it only counts toward the album chart. Both make sense but together, there’s that inconsistency. I get that you can’t assume how someone listens to an album that they bought whereas with streaming you can because the data is there. It’s simply that there’s a disconnect with what the Hot 100 is measuring that they obviously haven’t figured out yet. So when I say Drake (and others) benefit from Billboard’s own tabulations, that’s what I mean. If I implied his success is exaggerated (which I may have said), that’s probably not fair. If anything, the potential success of others are muted because Billboard hasn’t caught up yet with how to incorporate album sales into song popularity. It’s a very lopsided methodology right now for the singles chart.

[jtd Thee Stallion]

Oct 8, 2018 10:59:35 GMT -5 fhas said:

YouTube FINALLY updated the numbers for Lil Wayne's album tracks! Mona Lisa is slightly above GLY for this week's #1 (32,300 vs. 32,200).

Praying it pulls out the #1.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Oct 8, 2018 11:24:39 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Oct 8, 2018 11:22:59 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

So they discovered the land?

Yes, of course not including the native americans who were here first, but they were already here so they didn't discover it.

Lol. Ok. Just wanted to make sure that was known ;) and I do know about the Vikings since they landed on the island of Newfoundland, which is where I’m from, around 1000. Mostly I’m just bitter at my education system and its lack of information and context and use of the word “discovered” when referring to Columbus and Cabot finding the Americas. But that’s neither here nor there in this thread.

[divasummer]

I still find it weird that when I "Buy" a song and listen to it for a few months that it only counts for 1 day.
Why doesn't ITunes track play from tracks that have been purchased??? Some streaming services are free? Include the listens with them??

[rimetm]

Oct 8, 2018 11:33:38 GMT -5 divasummer said:

I still find it weird that when I "Buy" a song and listen to it for a few months that it only counts for 1 day.
Why doesn't ITunes track play from tracks that have been purchased??? Some streaming services are free? Include the listens with them??

The difference is that your listens to a purchase aren't generating any revenue. The whole cut was gotten when you bought the song, and the formula is based on that. When you stream on a "free" service, you pay indirectly because you are being served ads, so each play is, on average, generating a bit of revenue.

In addition, tracking plays would be biased to certain "closed garden" services and screw the rest of them. iTunes might be able to pull something like this off, though it would raise privacy concerns for sure, but Google Play or Amazon would be left out in the cold because they sell MP3s that aren't made to be played in a specific client program.

[Deleted]

Oct 8, 2018 11:33:38 GMT -5 divasummer said:

I still find it weird that when I "Buy" a song and listen to it for a few months that it only counts for 1 day.
Why doesn't ITunes track play from tracks that have been purchased??? Some streaming services are free? Include the listens with them??

This is the thing... I typed this big long essay about it earlier but didn't post it.  I mentioned that until there is an all-ecompassing way of tracking consumption, it's going to be lopsided. 

As for tracking our private listening habits, even if they came up with a way to do it, it's problematic in that it's something people would have to consent to.  I feel like many would feel it's in invasion of privacy, and therefore not give consent, leaving things flawed/incomplete.  Obviously when you sign up for Spotify and the like, you give consent as part of your membership, free or premium.

[jeiboy]

1. Girls Like You
2. Mona Lisa
3. Lucid Dreams
4. Better Now
5. Don't Cry
6. SICKO MODE
7. Uproar
8. Youngblood
9. In My Feelings
10. Let It Fly

[jeiboy]

www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/8478688/lil-wayne-carter-v-hot-100-debuts

[kanfad]

Mona Lisa and Nonstop deserved better

[Gary]

Maroon 5 & Cardi B's 'Girls Like You' Leads Hot 100 for Third Week, Lil Wayne Is First to Debut Two Songs in Top Five

10/8/2018 by Gary Trust


Lil Wayne charts four tracks from "Tha Carter V" in the top 10 & 22 from the set on the Hot 100 overall.

Maroon 5's "Girls Like You," featuring Cardi B, logs a third week at No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart (dated Oct. 13).

Meanwhile, Lil Wayne makes history as the first artist to debut two songs in the Hot 100's top five simultaneously, as "Mona Lisa," featuring Kendrick Lamar, launches at No. 2 and "Don't Cry," featuring XXXTentacion, bows at No. 5. Plus, Lil Wayne joins Drake as the only artists to debut four songs in the top 10 in a single week, as "Uproar" enters at No. 7 and "Let It Fly," featuring Travis Scott, starts at No. 10.

Additionally, 22 tracks from Tha Carter V, which debuts at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 albums chart, enter the Hot 100, as Lil Wayne further matches Drake as the only acts to chart at least 22 songs simultaneously in the survey's history.

Here's a rundown of the top 10 and more on the newest Hot 100, which blends all-genre U.S. streaming, radio airplay and digital sales data. All charts will update on Billboard.com tomorrow (Oct. 9).


"Girls" tops the Radio Songs chart for an 11th week, with 125.9 million in audience, down 2 percent, in the week ending Oct. 7, according to Nielsen Music. The track ties The Chainsmokers' "Closer," featuring Halsey, in 2016, as the longest-leading Radio Songs No. 1 by a duo or group this century; it boasts the longest reign by a duo or group since TLC's "No Scrubs" led for 13 weeks in 1999. "Girls" has logged the longest run atop the chart by any act since Ed Sheeran's "Shape of You," which spent 12 weeks at No. 1 in 2017 (and which interpolates "Scrubs"). (Goo Goo Dolls' "Iris" holds the longevity record atop Radio Songs among all acts, with 18 weeks at No. 1 in 1998.)

"Girls" drops 3-8 on Digital Song Sales (18,000 downloads sold, down 26 percent, in the week ending Oct. 4), after leading for six weeks, and 13-19 on Streaming Songs (23.3 million U.S. streams, up 2 percent, in the week ending Oct. 4), where it reached No. 5.


As for Lil Wayne's big week on the Hot 100, let's look at five of his biggest feats related to the arrival of Tha Carter V.

First act with two simultaneous top five debuts: Lil Wayne is the first artist ever to debut two songs in the Hot 100's top five simultaneously: "Mona Lisa," featuring Kendrick Lamar (No. 2), and "Don't Cry," featuring XXXTentacion (No. 5).

Streaming powers the tracks, as "Lisa" debuts at No. 1 on Streaming Songs, where it's Lil Wayne's first leader, with 43 million U.S. streams, "Cry" enters at No. 2 with 36 million. The songs also debut on Digital Song Sales at No. 5 (22,000) and No. 9 (16,000), respectively.

Record-tying four top 10 debuts: Plus, as "Uproar" debuts at No. 7 on the Hot 100 and "Let It Fly," featuring Travis Scott, begins at No. 10, Lil Wayne becomes the fifth act to have debuted multiple songs in the Hot 100's top 10 simultaneously, joining Ed Sheeran, Drake, J. Cole and Scott.

Drake has achieved the feat three times, including launching four titles in the top 10 on the July 14-dated chart, a record that Lil Wayne matches:

Drake, July 14, 2018
No. 2, "Nonstop"
No. 6, "In My Feelings"
No. 8, "Emotionless"
No. 9, "Don't Matter to Me," feat. Michael Jackson

Lil Wayne, Oct. 13, 2018
No. 2, "Mona Lisa," feat. Kendrick Lamar
No. 5, "Don't Cry," feat. XXXTentacion
No. 7, "Uproar"
No. 10, "Let It Fly," feat. Travis Scott

Lil Wayne ups his count to 24 career Hot 100 top 10s, passing JAY-Z (21) for the second-most among rappers, after Drake's 31. Eminem ranks third in the category with 20 top 10s. Lil Wayne lands his first top 10s in a lead role in over five years, since "Love Me," featuring Drake and Future, hit No. 9 in March 2013. He'd last appeared in the region overall as featured, with Justin Bieber, Quavo and Chance the Rapper, on DJ Khaled's "I'm the One," which led the May 20, 2017-dated chart.

Record-tying 22 debuts: Twenty-two tracks from The Carter V debut on the Hot 100, as Lil Wayne ties for the most simultaneous bows in the chart's history. Drake first entered 22 titles on July 14, all from his album Scorpion.

22 total songs on Hot 100: With those 22 debuts accounting for his total Hot 100 haul this week, Lil Wayne additionally joins Drake as the only acts to chart at least 22 songs on the tally simultaneously. Drake amassed a record 27 on July 14, when Scorpion debuted atop the Billboard 200, and sports two weeks of 24 (the following week, July 21; and April 8, 2017, when his album More Life launched atop the Billboard 200).

160 total Hot 100 entries: Lil Wayne increases his career total of Hot 100 visits to 160. Only the cast of Fox's Glee (207) and Drake (188) have earned more. Elvis Presley is the only other act with a triple-digital total (108, with his career predating the Hot 100's Aug. 4, 1958, inception).

Beyond the Hot 100, "Lisa" launches at No. 1 on both the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and Hot Rap Songs charts, marking Lil Wayne's 11th and seventh leader on each list.

Elsewhere in the Hot 100's top 10 this week, Juice WRLD's "Lucid Dreams" drops to No. 3 from its No. 2 peak; Post Malone's "Better Now" likewise slips a spot from its peak (3-4); Travis Scott's "Sicko Mode" is steady at No. 6, after hitting No. 4; 5 Seconds of Summer's first Hot 100 top 10, "Youngblood," rises from No. 10 to a new No. 8 high; and, Drake's "In My Feelings" falls 4-9, after 10 weeks at No. 1.

Find out more Hot 100 news in the weekly "Hot 100 Chart Moves" column and, for all chart news, you can listen (and subscribe) to Billboard's Chart Beat Podcast and Pop Shop Podcast and follow billboard and billboardcharts. And again, be sure to visit Billboard.com tomorrow (Oct. 9), when all charts, including the Hot 100 in its entirety, will refresh. The next issue of Billboard magazine is on sale Friday (Oct. 12).

[jtd Thee Stallion]

UGHHHHHHH

[woods]

WHERE IS PERFECT

[tanooki]

chartdata do ya thing

[ur local neighborhood dbender]

Maroon 5 with that LONGETIVITY

[wavey.]

Wowowowooww

[Gary]

1st act with two top 5 debuts in one week

[korbel16]

The number 1 song in America is #19 on streaming ....

[Mayman]

Wish Mona Lisa could have gotten the #1 but glad to see 4 debuts from him.

Lucid Dreams for #1 next week please!

[tanooki]

Sorry popheads we gotta readjust the formula, this shit ain't right

[jeiboy]

KIII the fumes

[Gary]

Oct 8, 2018 12:24:14 GMT -5 tanooki said:

Sorry popheads we gotta readjust the formula, this s**t ain't right

Why?

[areyoureadytojump]

22 debuts on the Hot 100?

160 charting songs on the Hot 100?

WOW

[Leo ✔]

UGH, Without that album bomb, "Youngblood" would've been #5 this week :(

[Enigma.]

NEED to know where Shallow debuts

[tanooki]

Oct 8, 2018 12:27:47 GMT -5 Gary said:

Oct 8, 2018 12:24:14 GMT -5 tanooki said:

Sorry popheads we gotta readjust the formula, this s**t ain't right

Why?

Girls Like You is not the biggest song in America, just because it gets a lot of radio play doesn't mean it's actually the biggest song. The weight that radio has needs to be hella dropped tbh

[jeiboy]

Oct 8, 2018 12:33:05 GMT -5 tanooki said:

Oct 8, 2018 12:27:47 GMT -5 Gary said:

Why?

Girls Like You is not the biggest song in America, just because it gets a lot of radio play doesn't mean it's actually the biggest song. The weight that radio has needs to be hella dropped tbh

. Sorry but according to Billboard it is.

[Gary]

Oct 8, 2018 12:33:05 GMT -5 tanooki said:

Oct 8, 2018 12:27:47 GMT -5 Gary said:

Why?

Girls Like You is not the biggest song in America, just because it gets a lot of radio play doesn't mean it's actually the biggest song. The weight that radio has needs to be hella dropped tbh

Ok then, well they have a twitter feed now that takes comments and feedback like that