Billboard Hot 100: 12/22/2018

[kierz7]

Dec 15, 2018 9:01:23 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Dec 15, 2018 8:56:57 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

What's with the micro-aggression towards Rihanna and the status of her number one singles all of a sudden? In the U.S, she has 12 #1 singles without Drake as well as 50 weeks at #1 without him and completely obliterates any close competition on an international chart scale.

Her placement as the Greatest hitmaker of the past 25 years has absolutely no bearing because of him, the same way Drake's first 10 weeks at #1 on the Hot 100 no longer has bearing because of Rihanna in the grand scheme of things when he has 4 other number ones without her.

It's nice that Mr. Graham is now scoring back-to-back number ones in the Streaming era because he surely COULD NOT do it when the Digital era was at its peak and when airplay stil ranked high in the chart formula.

I might be wrong, but I believe @drakeisskinny was just joking. Some Rihanna fans still throw it in Drake's face that she's the only reason he blew up internationally and she made him because she gave him his first two #1's. I never see it being said here, but I see it everywhere else.

Rihanna is Rihanna without Drake and Drake is Drake without Rihanna, let's just leave it at that.

Well, thanks for putting it in perspective.

Stans can be an outright mess at times.

It's similar to how Ed Sheeran stans (and others) are saying how they've given Beyonce her biggest hit since the Bush era, or how Bradley Cooper has revived Gaga's career etc.

It's all arbitrary. LOL.

[thegreatdivine]

kierz7 yeah, it's especially worse on other forums. It's like a cancer over on some of those sites, actually, lol.

Yeah, artists like Beyoncè don't need hits to be who they are at this point in their careers. They'll drop their albums, make their impact and sell out their tours easily. Artists like P!nk and Justin Timberlake proved that this year.



Even if the numbers do add up to the Perfect remix with Beyoncè being her biggest hit in a while, it doesn't mean she needed it.

And as for Lady Gaga, I'd say the movie revived her career. She released tons of songs and albums before that film/movie soundtrack that did nothing. The movie and it's soundtrack also brought a renewed interest in her as a public figure. No one was really checking for her like that before it all dropped. That movie will do wonders for her acting career going forward and come award season because I believe she'll win a ton of them - both for the lead single off the soundtrack and the movie.

[jenglisbe]

Sorry if this has been discussed, but what is currently known about YouTube videos counting for the Hot 100? I know the 30 second rule, have heard it has to be categorized as Music but am not sure. Are there other specifics?

[velaxti]

Dec 15, 2018 9:14:41 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Sorry if this has been discussed, but what is currently known about YouTube videos counting for the Hot 100? I know the 30 second rule, have heard it has to be categorized as Music but am not sure. Are there other specifics?

I'm pretty sure it has to be "detected" as well to be counted (basically it's possible to upload a video of a song onto Youtube, even categorised under music, and for Youtube not to recognise what song it is, and therefore not be able to count its streams).

I uploaded a remix of a song by Disclosure to Youtube years ago. It took a few weeks before I got the message telling me that I've used a copyrighted song, which means that in those first few weeks before Youtube "detected" that the song was being used in the video, it wouldn't have been counted for any charts. Their technology has probably changed since then though.

I think the reason it took a few weeks for my song to get "detected" is because it was a remix, so the beat of it was quite different to the original.

We know from UOENO by Rocko that unofficial remixes can possibly get their streams counted, although I sometimes get suspicious, because I remember Drake did a really popular remix of 2 On when it was out and I always got the feeling it wasn't getting its streams counted? I was never sure about that. I'm not sure if there's been any unofficial remixes this year that got really popular on Youtube that we could use to see if they get counted, I can't think of any, but I haven't been following current music so closely this year.

I know there's Skrillex remix of Sicko Mode and an ILLENIUM remix of Without Me, but both of those are officially released by the record label, so they will 100% definitely get detected. But I'm talking about those cases where an unsigned Soundcloud rapper or up-and-coming dance producer does an unofficial remix that blows up and gets loads of streams on Youtube. I sometimes doubt if those count.

[thelegends]

AIWFCIY's best chance is this year cuz of Caution.

[Golden Bluebird]

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Overall AI (Top 20) - 2018/12/15
1. (=) PANIC! AT THE DISCO - High Hopes (160.710) (+1.443)
2. (=) MARSHMELLO - Happier f/Bastille (140.797) (+0.346)
3. (=) ARIANA GRANDE - Breathin (118.646) (+1.336)
4. (=) HALSEY - Without Me (103.855) (+2.412)
5. (+2) ARIANA GRANDE - thank u, next (93.457) (+3.701)
6. (-1) MAROON 5 - Girls Like You (93.133) (-0.626)
7. (-1) 5 SECONDS OF SUMMER - Youngblood (92.872) (-0.172)
8. (=) TRAVIS SCOTT - Sicko Mode (84.595) (+0.753)
9. (=) KHALID X NORMANI - Love Lies (83.176) (-0.041)
10. (=) POST MALONE - Better Now (82.934) (+0.092)
11. (=) BENNY BLANCO, HALSEY & KHALID - Eastside (82.487) (+1.471)
12. (=) ELLA MAI - Trip (71.061) (-0.119)
13. (=) LOVELYTHEBAND - Broken (70.298) (-0.825)
14. (=) GUCCI MANE/BRUNO/KODAK - Wake Up In The Sky (58.212) (-0.216)
15. (=) DAN + SHAY - Speechless (57.315) (+0.811)
16. (+1) POST MALONE & SWAE LEE - Sunflower (56.755) (+0.631)
17. (-1) LUKE COMBS - She Got The Best Of Me (55.811) (-0.370)
18. (+2) BAD BUNNY - MIA f/Drake (55.362) (+0.485)
19. (=) JIMMIE ALLEN - Best Shot (54.642) (-0.355)
20. (-2) KANE BROWN - Lose It (54.446) (-0.594)

Others:
25. (+2) DJ SNAKE/SELENA/OZUNA/CARDI B - Taki Taki (47.451) (+0.870)
28. (+1) THOMAS RHETT - Sixteen (45.459) (+0.857)
30. (=) KODAK BLACK - Zeze f/Travis Scott & Offset (44.280) (+0.661)
31. (+1) DIERKS BENTLEY - Burning Man f/Brothers Osborne (43.452) (+0.627)
40. (+1) JASON ALDEAN - Girl Like You (39.133) (+0.915)
42. (+4) CAMILA CABELLO - Consequences (37.419) (+1.145)
44. (=) SCOTTY MCCREERY - This Is It (37.238) (+0.569)
45. (=) FLIPP DINERO - Leave Me Alone (37.203) (+0.784)
48. (=) ELLIE GOULDING X DIPLO - Close To Me f/Swae Lee (35.709) (+1.690)
50. (+1) KHALID - Better (32.505) (+0.654)
62. (+2) JORDAN DAVIS - Take It From Me (28.438) (+0.674)
70. (+4) THE CHAINSMOKERS F/KELSEA BALLERINI - This Feeling (24.323) (+1.012)

[lazer]

Ariana Grande occupys the top 2 spots of Spotify. What a queen.

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

Dec 15, 2018 8:56:57 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

Dec 15, 2018 4:18:35 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

They wouldn't of went number one without Drake 

What's with the micro-aggression towards Rihanna and the status of her number one singles all of a sudden? In the U.S, she has 12 #1 singles without Drake as well as 50 weeks at #1 without him and completely obliterates any close competition on an international chart scale.

Her placement as the Greatest hitmaker of the past 25 years has absolutely no bearing because of him, the same way Drake's first 10 weeks at #1 on the Hot 100 no longer has bearing because of Rihanna in the grand scheme of things when he has 4 other number ones without her.

It's nice that Mr. Graham is now scoring back-to-back number ones in the Streaming era (which favours Rap/Hip-Hop so much) because he surely COULD NOT do it when the Digital era was at its peak and when airplay stil ranked high in the chart formula.

I don’t get the point of your last passage. It’s clearly attempting to discredit him for thriving in an era that favors his genre, but you could turn that around on Rihanna for thriving in an era that favored pop music. It’s unnecessary.

[kierz7]

Dec 15, 2018 10:13:31 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

Dec 15, 2018 8:56:57 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

What's with the micro-aggression towards Rihanna and the status of her number one singles all of a sudden? In the U.S, she has 12 #1 singles without Drake as well as 50 weeks at #1 without him and completely obliterates any close competition on an international chart scale.

Her placement as the Greatest hitmaker of the past 25 years has absolutely no bearing because of him, the same way Drake's first 10 weeks at #1 on the Hot 100 no longer has bearing because of Rihanna in the grand scheme of things when he has 4 other number ones without her.

It's nice that Mr. Graham is now scoring back-to-back number ones in the Streaming era (which favours Rap/Hip-Hop so much) because he surely COULD NOT do it when the Digital era was at its peak and when airplay stil ranked high in the chart formula.

I don’t get the point of your last passage. It’s clearly attempting to discredit him for thriving in an era that favors his genre, but you could turn that around on Rihanna for thriving in an era that favored pop music. It’s unnecessary.

Well, that's how you read into it. I was just stating mere facts.

In my paragraph before the last I even said, more or less, that Drake's first two number ones with Rihanna aren't that important and no longer a heavy point of contention considering he now has 4 huge number-ones as a lead artist so it surely wasn't my intention to discredit him.

Still, I can now see how it might be perceived as 'shady'.

[brady47]

When's the last time an artist had two singles in the top 5 of airplay (not as a featured artist)?

Probably not too long ago but curious

[Xander]

Travis credited everyone in his album.

[Kris]

Dec 15, 2018 17:22:41 GMT -5 brady47 said:

When's the last time an artist had two singles in the top 5 of airplay (not as a featured artist)?

Probably not too long ago but curious

Love Yourself and Sorry maybe?

I think LY actually replaced Sorry. 

[Deleted]

Dec 15, 2018 9:01:23 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Dec 15, 2018 8:56:57 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

What's with the micro-aggression towards Rihanna and the status of her number one singles all of a sudden? In the U.S, she has 12 #1 singles without Drake as well as 50 weeks at #1 without him and completely obliterates any close competition on an international chart scale.

Her placement as the Greatest hitmaker of the past 25 years has absolutely no bearing because of him, the same way Drake's first 10 weeks at #1 on the Hot 100 no longer has bearing because of Rihanna in the grand scheme of things when he has 4 other number ones without her.

It's nice that Mr. Graham is now scoring back-to-back number ones in the Streaming era because he surely COULD NOT do it when the Digital era was at its peak and when airplay stil ranked high in the chart formula.

I might be wrong, but I believe @drakeisskinny was just joking. Some Rihanna fans still throw it in Drake's face that she's the only reason he blew up internationally and she made him because she gave him his first two #1's. I never see it being said here, but I see it everywhere else.

Rihanna is Rihanna without Drake and Drake is Drake without Rihanna, let's just leave it at that.

This rihanna my favorite pop artist of all time 

[85la]

Dec 15, 2018 9:38:48 GMT -5 thelegends said:

AIWFCIY's best chance is this year cuz of Caution.

It's strange though, because if you look at it the other way, you would think that AIWFCIY would presumably help her current album she has out now, Caution, but that isn't happening at all, with it dropping 5-55-163 its first 3 weeks! Unfortunately, this clearly indicates that Mariah is a legacy artist now and that AIWFCIY is a completely separate entity, a Christmas standard that just happened to be recorded by her quite a few years ago. It almost might as well be by a different artist.

So the reverse of that, Caution possibly helping AIWFCIY, since the album isn't actually successful on the charts, I don't think its "success" will help AIWFCIY much. It is clear though that the song's popularity itself, as well as the changing chart rules and the public's consumption patterns, seem to favor its chart placement more and more with each passing year, but I don't think it's quite there this year, maybe next.

[Choco]

I think Mariah has been a legacy act since the end of the E=MC2 era.

Any growth AIWFCIY experiences will be mostly because of streaming's growth while radio stagnates and sales die. Still very impressive.

[renaboss]

Shame, since "Caution" has been getting praise everywhere. That being said, I don't really think any of the songs are "single" material.

[jenglisbe]

Dec 15, 2018 22:11:18 GMT -5 85la said:

Dec 15, 2018 9:38:48 GMT -5 thelegends said:

AIWFCIY's best chance is this year cuz of Caution.

It's strange though, because if you look at it the other way, you would think that AIWFCIY would presumably help her current album she has out now, Caution, but that isn't happening at all, with it dropping 5-55-163 its first 3 weeks! Unfortunately, this clearly indicates that Mariah is a legacy artist now and that AIWFCIY is a completely separate entity, a Christmas standard that just happened to be recorded by her quite a few years ago. It almost might as well be by a different artist.

So the reverse of that, Caution possibly helping AIWFCIY, since the album isn't actually successful on the charts, I don't think its "success" will help AIWFCIY much. It is clear though that the song's popularity itself, as well as the changing chart rules and the public's consumption patterns, seem to favor its chart placement more and more with each passing year, but I don't think it's quite there this year, maybe next.

Yeah, why would "AIWFCIY" help Caution?

[Golden Bluebird]

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Overall AI (Top 20) - 2018/12/16
1. (=) PANIC! AT THE DISCO - High Hopes (160.773) (+0.063)
2. (=) MARSHMELLO - Happier f/Bastille (139.253) (-1.544) ***
3. (=) ARIANA GRANDE - Breathin (119.294) (+0.648)
4. (=) HALSEY - Without Me (105.461) (+1.606)
5. (=) ARIANA GRANDE - thank u, next (96.321) (+2.864)
6. (=) MAROON 5 - Girls Like You (92.415) (-0.718)
7. (=) 5 SECONDS OF SUMMER - Youngblood (91.624) (-1.248)
8. (=) TRAVIS SCOTT - Sicko Mode (84.948) (+0.353)
9. (+2) BENNY BLANCO, HALSEY & KHALID - Eastside (83.160) (+0.673)
10. (-1) KHALID X NORMANI - Love Lies (81.949) (-1.227)
11. (-1) POST MALONE - Better Now (81.886) (-1.048)
12. (=) ELLA MAI - Trip (71.454) (+0.393)
13. (=) LOVELYTHEBAND - Broken (68.685) (-1.613)
14. (=) GUCCI MANE/BRUNO/KODAK - Wake Up In The Sky (58.137) (-0.075)
15. (=) DAN + SHAY - Speechless (57.944) (+0.629)
16. (=) POST MALONE & SWAE LEE - Sunflower (57.602) (+0.847)
17. (+1) BAD BUNNY - MIA f/Drake (56.009) (+0.647)
18. (-1) LUKE COMBS - She Got The Best Of Me (54.910) (-0.901)
19. (=) JIMMIE ALLEN - Best Shot (53.902) (-0.740)
20. (=) KANE BROWN - Lose It (53.549) (-0.897)

Others:
23. (+1) BAZZI - Beautiful (49.023) (+0.903)
24. (-2) DAN + SHAY - Tequila (48.821) (-0.937)
25. (=) DJ SNAKE/SELENA/OZUNA/CARDI B - Taki Taki (48.230) (+0.779)
28. (+2) KODAK BLACK - Zeze f/Travis Scott & Offset (45.185) (+0.905)
30. (+2) DUSTIN LYNCH - Good Girl (43.798) (+0.556)
41. (+1) CAMILA CABELLO - Consequences (38.542) (+1.123)
42. (+2) SCOTTY MCCREERY - This Is It (38.106) (+0.868)
43. (=) LIL BABY & GUNNA - Drip Too Hard (37.887) (+0.647)
44. (+1) FLIPP DINERO - Leave Me Alone (37.766) (+0.563)
45. (+3) ELLIE GOULDING X DIPLO - Close To Me f/Swae Lee (37.530) (+1.821)
49. (+1) KHALID - Better (33.203) (+0.698)
57. (-5) BLAKE SHELTON - Turnin' Me On (30.430) (-1.355)
60. (+2) JORDAN DAVIS - Take It From Me (29.448) (+1.010)
68. (+2) THE CHAINSMOKERS F/KELSEA BALLERINI - This Feeling (24.832) (+0.509)

[Golden Bluebird]

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 60, 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:

December 15, 1958 (For the week ending December 20)

01 01 To Know Him, Is To Love Him - The Teddy Bears (3rd and final week at #1)
02 06 Problems - The Everly Brothers
03 02 Tom Dooley - The Kingston Trio
04 05 One Night - Elvis Presley
05 04 Beep Beep - The Playmates
06 11 Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - The Platters
07 07 Lonesome Town - Ricky Nelson
08 03 It's Only Make Believe - Conway Twitty
09 09 I Got Stung - Elvis Presley
10 37 The Chipmunk Song - The Chipmunks & David Seville


December 21, 1963

01 01 Dominique - The Singing Nun (3rd of 4 weeks at #1)
02 02 Louie Louie - The Kingsmen
03 05 You Don't Have To Be a Baby To Cry - The Caravelles
04 09 There! I've Said It Again - Bobby Vinton
05 06 Since I Fell For You - Lenny Welch
06 07 Be True To Your School - The Beach Boys
07 08 Drip Drop - Dion Di Muci
08 04 I'm Leaving It Up To You - Dale & Grace
09 03 Everybody - Tommy Roe
10 16 Popsicles And Icicles - The Murmaids


December 21, 1968

01 01 I Heard It Through The Grapevine - Marvin Gaye (2nd of 7 weeks at #1)
02 02 Love Child - Diana Ross & The Supremes
03 03 For Once In My Life - Stevie Wonder
04 04 Abraham, Martin And John - Dion
05 07 Wichita Lineman - Glen Campbell
06 08 Stormy - The Classics IV feat. Dennis Yost
07 05 Who's Making Love - Johnnie Taylor
08 11 Both Sides Now - Judy Collins
09 09 I Love How You Love Me - Bobby Vinton
10 10 Magic Carpet Ride - Steppenwolf


December 22, 1973

01 01 The Most Beautiful Girl - Charlie Rich (2nd and final week at #1)
02 02 Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John
03 05 Time In a Bottle - Jim Croce
04 07 Leave Me Alone (Ruby Red Dress) - Helen Reddy
05 06 Hello, It's Me - Todd Rundgren
06 09 The Joker - The Steve Miller Band
07 03 Top Of The World - The Carpenters
08 04 Just You 'N' Me - Chicago
09 10 If You're Ready (Come Go With Me) - The Staple Singers
10 14 Never, Never Gonna Give Ya Up - Barry White


December 23, 1978

01 02 Le Freak - Chic (2nd of 6 weeks at #1)
02 03 Too Much Heaven - The Bee Gees
03 01 You Don't Bring Me Flowers - Barbra Streisand & Neil Diamond
04 05 My Life - Billy Joel
05 06 I Love The Nightlife (Disco 'Round) - Alicia Bridges
06 04 I Just Wanna Stop - Gino Vannelli
07 08 Sharing The Night Together - Dr. Hook
08 12 Y.M.C.A. - The Village People
09 09 (Our Love) Don't Throw It All Away - Andy Gibb
10 13 Hold The Line - Toto

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:

December 24, 1983

01 01 Say Say Say - Paul McCartney & Michael Jackson (3rd of 6 weeks at #1)
02 02 Say It Isn't So - Daryl Hall & John Oates
03 05 Union Of The Snake - Duran Duran
04 07 Owner Of a Lonely Heart - Yes
05 03 All Night Long (All Night) - Lionel Richie
06 04 Uptown Girl - Billy Joel
07 06 Love Is a Battlefield - Pat Benatar
08 09 Twist Of Fate - Olivia Newton-John
09 11 Undercover Of The Night - The Rolling Stones
10 18 Break My Stride - Matthew Wilder


December 24, 1988

01 02 Every Rose Has Its Thorn - Poison (1st of 3 weeks at #1)
02 04 My Prerogative - Bobby Brown
03 01 Look Away - Chicago
04 03 Giving You The Best That I Got - Anita Baker
05 05 Waiting For a Star To Fall - Boy Meets Girl
06 12 Two Hearts - Phil Collins
07 09 Welcome To The Jungle - Guns N' Roses
08 13 In Your Room - The Bangles
09 10 Walk On Water - Eddie Money
10 15 Don't Rush Me - Taylor Dayne


December 25, 1993

01 03 Hero - Mariah Carey (1st of 4 weeks at #1)
02 01 Again - Janet Jackson
03 02 All That She Wants - Ace Of Base
04 04 I'd Do Anything For Love (But I Won't Do That) - Meat Loaf
05 07 All For Love - Bryan Adams, Rod Stewart & Sting
06 06 Gangsta Lean - DRS
07 05 Shoop - Salt-N-Pepa
08 08 Breathe Again - Toni Braxton
09 15 What's My Name? - Snoop Doggy Dogg
10 10 Said I Loved You...But I Lied - Michael Bolton


December 19, 1998

01 01 I'm Your Angel - R. Kelly & Celine Dion (3rd of 6 weeks at #1)
02 02 Nobody's Supposed To Be Here - Deborah Cox
03 03 Lately - Divine
04 05 From This Moment On - Shania Twain
05 04 Doo Wop (That Thing) - Lauryn Hill
06 06 Because Of You - 98 Degrees
07 07 Love Like This - Faith Evans
08 09 ...Baby One More Time - Britney Spears
09 08 Lullaby - Shawn Mullins
10 10 Have You Ever? - Brandy

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 Flashback:

December 20, 2003

01 01 Hey Ya! - Outkast (2nd of 9 weeks at #1)
02 03 The Way You Move - Outkast feat. Sleepy Brown
03 02 Stand Up - Ludacris feat. Shawnna
04 04 Milkshake - Kelis
05 07 Here Without You - 3 Doors Down
06 10 Walked Outta Heaven - Jagged Edge
07 08 Suga Suga - Baby Bash feat. Frankie J
08 06 Holidae In - Chingy feat. Ludacris & Snoop Dogg
09 14 You Don't Know My Name - Alicia Keys
10 09 Step In The Name Of Love - R. Kelly


December 20, 2008

01 02 Live Your Life - T.I. feat. Rihanna (6th and final week at #1)
02 01 Single Ladies (Put a Ring On It) - Beyonce
03 NE Circus - Britney Spears
04 05 Just Dance - Lady Gaga feat. Colby O'Donis
05 04 Whatever You Like - T.I.
06 03 If I Were a Boy - Beyonce
07 06 Hot N Cold - Katy Perry
08 13 Love Lockdown - Kanye West
09 07 Miss Independent - Ne-Yo
10 09 Womanizer - Britney Spears

19 NE Beautiful - Akon feat. Colby O'Donis & Kardinal Offishall


December 21, 2013

01 02 The Monster - Eminem feat. Rihanna (1st of 4 weeks at #1)
02 04 Timber - Pitbull feat. Ke$ha
03 05 Counting Stars - OneRepublic
04 03 Royals - Lorde
05 01 Wrecking Ball - Miley Cyrus
06 06 Wake Me Up! - Avicii
07 07 Demons - Imagine Dragons
08 10 Say Something - A Great Big World feat. Christina Aguilera
09 13 Let Her Go - Passenger
10 11 Hold On, We're Going Home - Drake feat. Majid Jordan

13 NE Little Drummer Boy - Pentatonix
26 RE All I Want For Christmas Is You - Mariah Carey


December 23, 2017

01 03 Perfect - Ed Sheeran & Beyonce (1st of 6 weeks at #1)
02 01 Rockstar - Post Malone feat. 21 Savage
03 02 Havana - Camila Cabello feat. Young Thug
04 04 Gucci Gang - Lil Pump
05 05 Thunder - Imagine Dragons
06 06 Too Good At Goodbyes - Sam Smith
07 08 No Limit - G-Eazy feat. A$AP Rocky & Cardi B
08 11 Bad At Love - Halsey
09 07 Bodak Yellow (Money Moves) - Cardi B
10 09 What Lovers Do - Maroon 5 feat. SZA

13 54 Gummo - 6ix9ine
21 NE Him & I - G-Eazy & Halsey

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Dec 15, 2018 9:11:06 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

And as for Lady Gaga, I'd say the movie revived her career. She released tons of songs and albums before that film/movie soundtrack that did nothing. The movie and it's soundtrack also brought a renewed interest in her as a public figure. No one was really checking for her like that before it all dropped. That movie will do wonders for her acting career going forward and come award season because I believe she'll win a ton of them - both for the lead single off the soundtrack and the movie.

I'll mildly disagree. People may not have been checking for her but whenever she did do a public performance, such as a tribute at an award show or whatever, people had been responding overwhelmingly positively, and that had been going on for a couple years. The exception was with her own music, which got minimal attention except from her fans, until the Super Bowl and with performances of Million Reasons. The movie and soundtrack definitely helped her though, but I think it came at a point where she had been building up it to through other things first. If it had come out just after Born This Way, or just after Artpop, I doubt the response would have been the same.

[thegreatdivine]

Dec 16, 2018 12:42:03 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Dec 15, 2018 9:11:06 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

And as for Lady Gaga, I'd say the movie revived her career. She released tons of songs and albums before that film/movie soundtrack that did nothing. The movie and it's soundtrack also brought a renewed interest in her as a public figure. No one was really checking for her like that before it all dropped. That movie will do wonders for her acting career going forward and come award season because I believe she'll win a ton of them - both for the lead single off the soundtrack and the movie.

I'll mildly disagree. People may not have been checking for her but whenever she did do a public performance, such as a tribute at an award show or whatever, people had been responding overwhelmingly positively, and that had been going on for a couple years. The exception was with her own music, which got minimal attention except from her fans, until the Super Bowl and with performances of Million Reasons. The movie and soundtrack definitely helped her though, but I think it came at a point where she had been building up it to through other things first. If it had come out just after Born This Way, or just after Artpop, I doubt the response would have been the same.

You basically agreed with my point. When I said people weren't checking for her, I meant her music. You can't compare the commercial performance of Gaga's first two albums to everything she's released since then. Her career started out on a high note with her releasing two massive albums with massive singles to boot, but everything kinda went downhill from there. A Star is Born is her most commercially successful album since Born This Way in 2011. That's a LONG TIME.

However, I agree with you. I don't think she would have been able to make an album like this if she hadn't gone through her ARTPOP and Joanne eras. This seemed like a sensible direction for her to go next, even if it's a soundtrack album.

I guess it worked out for her. It makes me kinda wonder where she goes from here as far as her music career goes. It'll be completely obvious that the success of the movie carried the album if her next solo album doesn't do as well.

[ddlz]

If Gaga goes back to wasting her talent on cheap electro pop, her next album will underperform. If she has learned from "A Star Is Born" experience and decides to play to her strengths again, she will do well.

Same goes for Beyonce. Another surprise gimmick and trap single won't work.

I'm most interested in Rihanna's next move, tbh.

[lazer]

Dec 16, 2018 13:22:48 GMT -5 ddlz said:

If Gaga goes back to wasting her talent on cheap electro pop, her next album will underperform. If she has learned from "A Star Is Born" experience and decides to play to her strengths again, she will do well.

Same goes for Beyonce. Another surprise gimmick and trap single won't work.

I'm most interested in Rihanna's next move, tbh.

The interesting thing about Rihanna is she is unpredictable with her sound. 

[tanooki]

Final Predictions 12/22/18


1. thank u, next 406 (=)
2. Without Me 341 (+1)
3. Happier 279 (+1)
4. SICKO MODE 278 (-2)
5. High Hopes 269 (=)
6. All I Want for Christmas is You 243 (+1)
7. Drip Too Hard 235 (+2)
8. ZEZE 229 (=)
9. Sunflower 212 (+8)
10. Wake Up in the Sky 202 (+9)
11. Mo Bamba 198 (-1)
12. It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year 196 (+4)
13. Girls Like You 190 (-2)
14. breathin 188 (-1)
15. Lucid Dreams 177 (-2)
16. Eastside 176 (+2)
17. Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree 173 (+4)
18. Going Bad 170 (-12)
19. Better Now 169 (-4)
20. Youngblood 164 (-6)

Others:
A Holly Jolly Christmas 161
Jingle Bell Rock 159
BAD! 146
whoa (mind in awe) 140

[Au$tin]

Dec 16, 2018 8:34:43 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Dec 15, 2018 22:11:18 GMT -5 85la said:

It's strange though, because if you look at it the other way, you would think that AIWFCIY would presumably help her current album she has out now, Caution, but that isn't happening at all, with it dropping 5-55-163 its first 3 weeks! Unfortunately, this clearly indicates that Mariah is a legacy artist now and that AIWFCIY is a completely separate entity, a Christmas standard that just happened to be recorded by her quite a few years ago. It almost might as well be by a different artist.

So the reverse of that, Caution possibly helping AIWFCIY, since the album isn't actually successful on the charts, I don't think its "success" will help AIWFCIY much. It is clear though that the song's popularity itself, as well as the changing chart rules and the public's consumption patterns, seem to favor its chart placement more and more with each passing year, but I don't think it's quite there this year, maybe next.

Yeah, why would "AIWFCIY" help Caution?

Because it drives traffic to her catalog, just like any other hit by any other artist.* I don't think it's a coincidence she released Caution at this time of year. Her and her team were hoping the extra attention on her during the holiday season would aide in people discovering her new album as well. And it probably is, just not enough to cause any significant dent.

What I don't understand is why someone would assume the other way around is what's causing AIWFCIY to reach a new peak this year. Caution isn't exactly blazing up the charts right now.

*Sort of related to the topic, my favorite instance of this was when "Who Owns My Heart" by Miley Cyrus hit the streaming chart on the same week the "Wrecking Ball" video dropped. WOMH wasn't even a US single and was 3 years old at that point, but it was the top recommended video during the week of WB's release for some reason.

[owenlovesmusic]

A year ago today was a good day

[fhas]

Dec 16, 2018 12:35:49 GMT -5 Soulsista said:

Billboard Top 10 Flashback:

December 20, 2003

01 01 Hey Ya! - Outkast (2nd of 9 weeks at #1)


December 20, 2008

01 02 Live Your Life - T.I. feat. Rihanna (6th and final week at #1)


December 21, 2013

01 02 The Monster - Eminem feat. Rihanna (1st of 4 weeks at #1)