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Post by imbondz on May 2, 2019 22:25:33 GMT -5
ME! totally has this.
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Post by iHype. on May 2, 2019 23:03:24 GMT -5
She discounted her song the last hours of the tracking week.   |
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Post by fhas on May 2, 2019 23:13:10 GMT -5
She discounted her song the last hours of the tracking week. LMAO. Take the L and move on girl. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 23:14:16 GMT -5
She discounted her song the last hours of the tracking week. LMAO. Take the L and move on girl. Didn't you just say you support Lil Nas X for playing the chart game.... |
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Post by bbfan97 on May 2, 2019 23:27:41 GMT -5
I'd rather OTR stay at #1 over ME!. I would like to eventually see a 100-1 movement, but ME! is absolute TRASH (imo)
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Post by fhas on May 2, 2019 23:29:49 GMT -5
LMAO. Take the L and move on girl. Didn't you just say you support Lil Nas X for playing the chart game.... I said that I was excited to see a rapper who knows how to play the chart game. Look at Post Malone, Eminem, Lil Wayne, Drake and Kodak losing #1s last year simply because they didn't know when to release a music video. ... but this is too much. Like, she had the entire week to use the discount strategy and what's the point of discounting the song with less than 6 hours left in the tracking week? She is desparate. |
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Post by chartslovergermany on May 2, 2019 23:31:20 GMT -5
Didn't you just say you support Lil Nas X for playing the chart game.... I said that I was excited to see a rapper who knows how to play the chart game. Look at Post Malone, Eminem, Lil Wayne, Drake and Kodak losing #1s last year simply because they didn't know when to release a music video. ... but this is too much. Like, she had the entire week to use the discount strategy and what's the point of discounting the song with less than 6 hours left in the tracking week? She is desparate. get over it honey🤷♂️ |
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Post by Naos on May 2, 2019 23:31:27 GMT -5
If she was "desperate", she would have done everything she could immediately. But she didn't.
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Post by Au$tin on May 2, 2019 23:34:29 GMT -5
Didn't you just say you support Lil Nas X for playing the chart game.... I said that I was excited to see a rapper who knows how to play the chart game. Look at Post Malone, Eminem, Lil Wayne, Drake and Kodak losing #1s last year simply because they didn't know when to release a music video. ... but this is too much. Like, she had the entire week to use the discount strategy and what's the point of discounting the song with less than 6 hours left in the tracking week? She is desparate. And what's the point of an extra remix the week after the threat is gone? Come on, now, let's not praise one artist for "playing the game" while criticizing another artist for doing the exact same thing. |
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Post by chartslovergermany on May 2, 2019 23:38:23 GMT -5
I said that I was excited to see a rapper who knows how to play the chart game. Look at Post Malone, Eminem, Lil Wayne, Drake and Kodak losing #1s last year simply because they didn't know when to release a music video. ... but this is too much. Like, she had the entire week to use the discount strategy and what's the point of discounting the song with less than 6 hours left in the tracking week? She is desparate. And what's the point of an extra remix the week after the threat is gone? Come on, now, let's not praise one artist for "playing the game" while criticizing another artist for doing the exact same thing. what do we expect from OTR stans :) whole week laughing and complaining at the same time,but pretend like their fav didn't just released an remix😂😂🤷♂️ |
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Post by tanooki on May 2, 2019 23:59:27 GMT -5
How the fuck did we get 20 pages by the time the tracking week ended and nobody died wtf
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 0:03:01 GMT -5
How the f**k did we get 20 pages by the time the tracking week ended and nobody died wtf My sanity did |
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Post by aussie1 on May 3, 2019 1:19:16 GMT -5
Only want Me! to go #1 because it would mean another #1 in a year that has had so many different #1's. But at the same time the song is terrible so I don't want it too.
Also should be worth mentioning Lil Nas isn't the first rapper of late who knows how to play the chart game. Travis Scott says hi.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 3:53:32 GMT -5
FWIW there is a difference between knowing how to play the game and knowing how to play the game, realizing that you're being bested by a naturally better player, and pulling out every cheat code you can think of because your ego won't allow you to lose. As far as rappers go I'd probably put Travis Scott in this category, but not Lil Nas X.
LBR though, the real reason some find it off-putting is because when it comes to our entertainment, most of us don't really want to see how the sausage is made and Taylor is putting far too much of the sausage making process on display right now. That's saying quite a bit because pop stardom is generally an exercise in partially visible sausage making. Show too much at once however and you give the (maybe mistaken, maybe not) impression that you know your sausage isn't that great and probably has a short shelf life.
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Post by thegreatdivine on May 3, 2019 4:21:32 GMT -5
If she was "desperate", she would have done everything she could immediately. But she didn't. Because her and her team didn't think she'd have to. |
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Post by monkeydluffy on May 3, 2019 4:33:16 GMT -5
If she was "desperate", she would have done everything she could immediately. But she didn't. Because her and her team didn't think she'd have to. I think her and her team didn’t prep enough for the continuing massive success of “Old Town Road” and probably thought the name “Taylor Swift” was going to be enough. |
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Post by shayonce on May 3, 2019 5:21:20 GMT -5
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on May 3, 2019 7:11:57 GMT -5
Y'all talk about that Diplo remix like it is Sheeran, Rihanna or Drake, Diplo's remixes are TOTALLY harmful for charts.
I mean, even after Taylor gets this #1, she, her team and fans know it's not deserved one...but I guess she likes to say "Yeah, this is my #1 hit.", doesn't matter if the song spends 10 weeks on chart.
Personally, I don't have anything against Taylor, even like her 2-3 songs, but I'm actually shocked seeing these tactics. I'm following Billboard since 2010 and I've never seen anything like this AND this campaign is coming from probably the biggest musician of the decade. That's why people call her desperate, and I'm with them.
ALSO, I don't care for that 100-1 jump at all, a song from a 20-year-old unknown rapper and country artist who was popular in 1992 is bigger than a song by Taylor Swift. And that's music, you can't buy success.
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Post by Kris on May 3, 2019 8:02:40 GMT -5
FWIW there is a difference between knowing how to play the game and knowing how to play the game,. This is like those pictures where they say spot the difference but after two hours you won’t see anything. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on May 3, 2019 8:09:24 GMT -5
It's always interesting to see people's wild expectations for Taylor. #2, last I checked, is still a fantastic peak (solid, undeniable smash if it obtains good longevity). This is in no sense a loss for Swift or her team if it stops short of hitting the top and blockbuster sales for its parent album is guaranteed regardless. Taylor has been dominating the industry since Fearless. The fact that she still debuts like she does is a testament to her staying power, as most artists this many years into their career have already largely slumped in popularity. I don't know why she has this #1 peak or bust expectation level for so many. It isn't like she has a bajillion number ones (her biggest claim to success comes in shifting albums, not topping the Hot 100 with singles). Hell, it is even more baffling expectations are still sky high and haven't been readjusted after so many ripped her last era as an "under-performer" with a trio of "flop" singles. So she is expected to follow up such a "disappointing era" in the eyes of many with a gigantic #1 or its a disappointment? Are some of y'all serious? It seems like some are just searching for a negative spin in everything.
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on May 3, 2019 8:17:46 GMT -5
It's always interesting to see people's wild expectations for Taylor. #2, last I checked, is still a fantastic peak I agree with this, tell that to Taylor and her team? |
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Post by Taylor. on May 3, 2019 8:24:30 GMT -5
Spotify is down, Taylor said if y'all ain't gonna stream me you ain't gonna stream nobody.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 8:30:27 GMT -5
FWIW there is a difference between knowing how to play the game and knowing how to play the game,. This is like those pictures where they say spot the difference but after two hours you won’t see anything. Not my fault I slay those spot the difference challenges and you don't! lol I mean, honestly I don't care or see a "problem" with it myself (I have an earlier post where I point out that Taylor has always been this way) and in fact I'm fairly convinced Taylor is only trying so hard because she realized there's a chart record on the line and she wants that, which would explain why a lot of these tactics don't seem to have been part of the original marketing plan - she wouldn't have known to care until Monday afternoon. But, given that they do seem tacked on, the effort feels a lot more hamfisted, and I get why that is a turn off to others. LNX tossing out a remix that isn't being promoted is nowhere close to all the stuff Taylor is doing, and the fact that this is even an argument really just speaks to how strong OTR is that him doing one thing that might help him hold on to #1 is seen as comparable to Taylor doing all of the things to get to #1. |
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Post by billboardtopten on May 3, 2019 8:35:00 GMT -5
It's like people here don't even know how Lil Nas X got OTR popular in the first place (lots of advertising through Tik Tok). Lil Nas did about as much advertising as Taylor has with ME!, but it's just less apparent.
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Post by iHype. on May 3, 2019 8:45:08 GMT -5
It's like people here don't even know how Lil Nas X got OTR popular in the first place (lots of advertising through Tik Tok) . Lil Nas did about as much advertising as Taylor has with ME!, but it's just less apparent. LOL. She had YouTube ads playing the entire music video, had a multi format radio deal, and had every single banner on Apple Music/iTunes at one point. Clearly we get they both promote and do tricks. However it is certainly not the same extent. Let’s not even pretend. Who even uses TikTok? 1%~ of the population? |
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Post by thegreatdivine on May 3, 2019 8:45:24 GMT -5
It's always interesting to see people's wild expectations for Taylor. #2, last I checked, is still a fantastic peak (solid, undeniable smash if it obtains good longevity). This is in no sense a loss for Swift or her team if it stops short of hitting the top and blockbuster sales for its parent album is guaranteed regardless. Taylor has been dominating the industry since Fearless. The fact that she still debuts like she does is a testament to her staying power, as most artists this many years into their career have already largely slumped in popularity. I don't know why she has this #1 peak or bust expectation level for so many. It isn't like she has a bajillion number ones (her biggest claim to success comes in shifting albums, not topping the Hot 100 with singles). Hell, it is even more baffling expectations are still sky high and haven't been readjusted after so many ripped her last era as an "under-performer" with a trio of "flop" singles. So she is expected to follow up such a "disappointing era" in the eyes of many with a gigantic #1 or its a disappointment? Are some of y'all serious? It seems like some are just searching for a negative spin in everything. Tell Taylor everything you just typed, lol. Artists like Rihanna and Taylor who started their mainstream careers as teenagers saw success really early. Taylor isn't even 30 yet. She obviously cares about the perception of still being able to score #1 hits or else she wouldn't be doing everything she's been doing to reach #1. And I can't say I blame her. Mainstream artists all deal with that pressure. If Drake's next era doesn't score as many hits as his Scorpion era did, people will call it a decline. This isn't reserved for Taylor alone. If Bieber or Ed Sheeran or Adele dropped lead singles and they didn't break records and reach #1, people would be saying the exact same thing. Taylor's case is just worse because she's pulling all these stops. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on May 3, 2019 8:49:49 GMT -5
It's like people here don't even know how Lil Nas X got OTR popular in the first place (lots of advertising through Tik Tok). Lil Nas did about as much advertising as Taylor has with ME!, but it's just less apparent. I think he never thought that OTR would be a top 40 hit, not to mention #1. Taylor is a big name, when she releases a song, the whole world knows. Ofc that Lil Nas X had to advertise his first song, because...only his family heard about it. |
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Post by billboardtopten on May 3, 2019 9:06:29 GMT -5
It's like people here don't even know how Lil Nas X got OTR popular in the first place (lots of advertising through Tik Tok) . Lil Nas did about as much advertising as Taylor has with ME!, but it's just less apparent. LOL. She had YouTube ads playing the entire music video, had a multi format radio deal, and had every single banner on Apple Music/iTunes at one point. Clearly we get they both promote and do tricks. However it is certainly not the same extent. Let’s not even pretend. Who even uses TikTok? 1%~ of the population? Less than 1 percent of the population of the US is still ~3-4 million people |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 9:12:51 GMT -5
It's always interesting to see people's wild expectations for Taylor. #2, last I checked, is still a fantastic peak I agree with this, tell that to Taylor and her team? Oh, this touches on another thing...any time a normally dominant star falls a tiny smidge short, the sharks seize upon it because the superstar, or his/her team, comes off as caring so much about being #1. If Taylor and Republic don't think anything less than #1 is fantastic, why would her haters? It happened when Everything Is Love debuted/peaked at #2 as well, happened when Loverboy peaked at #2, etc.; this is not unique to Taylor. I was reading some article the other day that was talking about the "Vegas odds" of initial and continued success in the industry and the writer pointed out that from a purely mathematical perspective it actually gets harder with each album to maintain one's level of success when you'd think it would get easier, because every year you have to face a new class of competitors along with the competitors who were already there before; hence why you see artists who should be secure in their place begin to do some seemingly "desperate" things to stay in that place. The issue with these #2 peak situations is not really the peak, but the immediately apparent lack of interest and longevity in a song, possibly stoking a fear that their long reign of success might slowly be nearing its end. The #1 then becomes some sort of brass ring that proves the end is not here just yet. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on May 3, 2019 9:16:05 GMT -5
RADIO
#8 ME! 93.30 (+10.42)
#11 Old Town Road 87.04 (+2.03)
Tomorrow is the 8th day for ME!
Stats for LWYMMD:
7th day: #11 106.56 (+11.31)
8th day: #14 86.23 (-20.33)
9th day: #14 85.67 (-0.57)
My prediction:
#8 Old Town Road around 66 million?
#13 ME! around 55 million?
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