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Post by Caviar on Sept 5, 2019 12:00:21 GMT -5
One, just one low update, and hell breaks loose. Right..I'm not sure why Katy brings out chaos on her threads.
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Post by Okay on Sept 5, 2019 13:07:22 GMT -5
The song itself isn't that bad, but what Katy really needs is a good hook and drop. NRO almost had it with the pre but the actual chorus ruined it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 13:27:32 GMT -5
Not to harp but this song is bombing because it's horrible. Hated it on first listen, hated it even more on subsequent listens. Absolutely loved NRO, but this is such a giant step backwards.
If Harleys in Hawaii is on par with NRO, they should've just kept this.
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Post by PopLuva on Sept 5, 2019 13:57:25 GMT -5
Not to harp but this song is bombing because it's horrible. Hated it on first listen, hated it even more on subsequent listens. Absolutely loved NRO, but this is such a giant step backwards. If Harleys in Hawaii is on par with NRO, they should've just kept this. I think this might be her worst single ever. I cant stand this song. Im not even getting my hopes up for harleys since charlie produced that too.
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Post by Caviar on Sept 5, 2019 16:38:15 GMT -5
Not to harp but this song is bombing because it's horrible. Hated it on first listen, hated it even more on subsequent listens. Absolutely loved NRO, but this is such a giant step backwards. If Harleys in Hawaii is on par with NRO, they should've just kept this. This makes no sense. Quality has nothing to do with chart success. Some of the best songs flop. Radio audiences like basic ass material.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 6, 2019 6:30:24 GMT -5
POP: 38 36 KATY PERRY Small Talk 1221 989 232 2.506
+23 Spins -12 Bullet -0.045 Audience
HOT AC: 52 45 KATY PERRY Small Talk 164 82 82 0.236
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Post by upsidedown on Sept 6, 2019 6:46:39 GMT -5
Yeah, this is just an objectively bad song. It has no hook. Too bad bc NRO was so good.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 6, 2019 7:32:16 GMT -5
Not to harp but this song is bombing because it's horrible. Hated it on first listen, hated it even more on subsequent listens. Absolutely loved NRO, but this is such a giant step backwards. If Harleys in Hawaii is on par with NRO, they should've just kept this. This makes no sense. Quality has nothing to do with chart success. Some of the best songs flop. Radio audiences like basic ass material. I wouldn’t even say this song is plain or basic though. Songs like most maroon 5 songs are plain and basic with their melodies and whatever else and they can succeed by blending in. This song actually stands out in how poorly constructed it is. I’d say quality accounts for 10% (when promotion is involved) of a song’s success, and that’s enough to tank this one.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Sept 6, 2019 8:30:55 GMT -5
This is a flop through and through. Pull the plug and rush out the Harleys sis!
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Post by hitmakaontharise on Sept 6, 2019 8:57:10 GMT -5
Katys at the point in her career where in her eyes she thinks that doing little to no promo will be enough for her to be successful. Even tho she has achieved major success, this is the day in age where her popularity with the younger generation isnt there and she needs to be doing even more then what she was doing starting off.
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Post by Caviar on Sept 6, 2019 10:16:11 GMT -5
Katy doesn't have to prove anything. If you've read her interviews she claimed she's "had a good ride" and is now focusing on ala carte singles not albums. Her focus is on her pending marriage and mental health. "Never Really Over" did well and she didn't even bother promoting it outside of a bathroom and a private concert. You'd think people would be getting the hint by now.
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Post by Maximillian on Sept 6, 2019 14:25:18 GMT -5
Katy doesn't have to prove anything. If you've read her interviews she claimed she's "had a good ride" and is now focusing on ala carte singles not albums. Her focus is on her pending marriage and mental health. "Never Really Over" did well and she didn't even bother promoting it outside of a bathroom and a private concert. You'd think people would be getting the hint by now. All of that is good and well, but high budget videos are being shot and ... again... I assume she contractually has albums to finish? Just seems strange for the label to pour all this money into her (especially after a $2.7m fine on Dark Horse), to get nothing from it? Perhaps this is her “winding down”, which is totally fine. I’ll always be interested in what she’s serving up. The business side of this is what’s confusing me.
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Post by Envoirment on Sept 6, 2019 17:26:38 GMT -5
Katy doesn't have to prove anything. If you've read her interviews she claimed she's "had a good ride" and is now focusing on ala carte singles not albums. Her focus is on her pending marriage and mental health. "Never Really Over" did well and she didn't even bother promoting it outside of a bathroom and a private concert. You'd think people would be getting the hint by now. All of that is good and well, but high budget videos are being shot and ... again... I assume she contractually has albums to finish? Just seems strange for the label to pour all this money into her (especially after a $2.7m fine on Dark Horse), to get nothing from it? Perhaps this is her “winding down”, which is totally fine. I’ll always be interested in what she’s serving up. The business side of this is what’s confusing me. She's worth over $300 million and earned over $80 million in 2018. She's on track to earn a lot of money again this year. If she wanted she could shoot high budget videos for the rest of her life. She's a big money maker, even if her music doesn't do that well. Most of the money made in music is through touring, so if she wasn't earning enough to cover label costs she could just do a small tour to recoup all the costs.
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Post by Maximillian on Sept 6, 2019 21:25:45 GMT -5
All of that is good and well, but high budget videos are being shot and ... again... I assume she contractually has albums to finish? Just seems strange for the label to pour all this money into her (especially after a $2.7m fine on Dark Horse), to get nothing from it? Perhaps this is her “winding down”, which is totally fine. I’ll always be interested in what she’s serving up. The business side of this is what’s confusing me. She's worth over $300 million and earned over $80 million in 2018. She's on track to earn a lot of money again this year. If she wanted she could shoot high budget videos for the rest of her life. She's a big money maker, even if her music doesn't do that well. Most of the money made in music is through touring, so if she wasn't earning enough to cover label costs she could just do a small tour to recoup all the costs. Yes, but she’s apparently stated she doesn’t want to tour and has no album coming. She’s worth amazing cash... I doubt she’s paying for all this. What’s the end game?
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Post by wjr15 on Sept 6, 2019 22:13:15 GMT -5
Keep cashing in those Idol checks while having a single to promote that season 💁🏼♂️
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 6, 2019 22:21:50 GMT -5
Maybe she is paying for it tho. It’s her work after all. I know if I had a vision of what I wanted and the label said no, but also knew I had millions in the bank and this would be pennies, HELL YEA I would pay. Especially since this is her doggie video. It’s a member of the family. I’m sure she forked over for Nugget.
She’s got quite a catalog of amazing videos now. It’s very impressive. That’s what people are going to look back on years from now.
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Post by Maximillian on Sept 6, 2019 22:34:11 GMT -5
Maybe she is paying for it tho. It’s her work after all. I know if I had a vision of what I wanted and the label said no, but also knew I had millions in the bank and this would be pennies, HELL YEA I would pay. Especially since this is her doggie video. It’s a member of the family. I’m sure she forked over for Nugget. She’s got quite a catalog of amazing videos now. It’s very impressive. That’s what people are going to look back on years from now. I agree, it’s not impossible she’s footing the bill! That’s why I find it odd if the label is forking over this cash with no payday, tour or album. She can certainly afford it w/ her rumored $330m fortune. Contractually though... I don’t think anybody knows the real endgame. I think she owes the label at least one more album because she said in interview last year about “tough talks” on direction for the next album. I assume label wanted more control and she wanted equal control after Witness.
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Post by Choco on Sept 6, 2019 23:21:31 GMT -5
Katy might not need to prove anything but a flop is not a good look for anyone either.
This just needs to die already tbh. It's certainly not even going top 30 at this rate.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 7, 2019 0:18:56 GMT -5
Katy might not need to prove anything but a flop is not a good look for anyone either. This just needs to die already tbh. It's certainly not even going top 30 at this rate. oh i agree, a flop is a flop and not a good look. I know she is self-aware, but in this instance, with her pushing this "behind the scenes" narrative of the video (which no one cares about), makes her look out of touch and NOT self-aware. Like, if I was in the business, surely I would want to know my stats all the time. So surely there must be someone who should be saying theres no radio, no sales, and no streaming for this song. Or is she that oblivious? Maybe she's just stubborn?
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Post by wavey.✨️ on Sept 7, 2019 1:55:16 GMT -5
Or maybe shes just not that worried?
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Post by someguy on Sept 7, 2019 2:00:05 GMT -5
I still like this one a lot. I kind of think that Katy isn't so bothered by pop domination anymore.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 7, 2019 7:57:14 GMT -5
POP: 37 36 KATY PERRY Small Talk 1228 1052 176 2.504
+7 Spins -56 Bullet -0.002 Audience
HOT AC: 51 44 KATY PERRY Small Talk 173 95 78 0.256
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 9:11:48 GMT -5
Not to harp but this song is bombing because it's horrible. Hated it on first listen, hated it even more on subsequent listens. Absolutely loved NRO, but this is such a giant step backwards. If Harleys in Hawaii is on par with NRO, they should've just kept this. This makes no sense. Quality has nothing to do with chart success. Some of the best songs flop. Radio audiences like basic ass material. How does it not make sense? Katy is at a point in her career where she needs truly great songs to make an impact, ie NRO. She had momentum going for her again. This terrible song with the repetitive “haters to lovers” part and dreadful “blah blah” bridge is just inane. She’s likely soon entering the phase of her career where quality won’t matter though, that’s true. IMO she’s not quite there yet though.
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Post by Suono on Sept 7, 2019 9:28:33 GMT -5
I think she (along with JLO, Kelly, Mariah, Britney) has entered the “legacy” stage of her career. Next steps are Vegas residency and greatest hits albums. Judge on Idol til it goes off the air again in a few years and enjoy her money.
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Post by Choco on Sept 7, 2019 9:57:19 GMT -5
People still make Greatest hits albums?
The only one I could see selling is Taylor's and she hates the idea.
Katy ain't quite there yet. NRO and CC did well, she just needs better material. ST ain't horrible, it could have been a solid top 10 if she had more momentum but it's not what she needs right now.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 8, 2019 6:17:33 GMT -5
POP: 36 36 KATY PERRY Small Talk 1280 1084 196 2.581
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HOT AC: 48 45 KATY PERRY Small Talk 179 110 69 0.315
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 9, 2019 9:18:31 GMT -5
POP: 35 38 KATY PERRY Small Talk 1302 1119 183 2.490
+22 Spins -13 Bullet -0.091 Audience
HOT AC: 47 44 KATY PERRY Small Talk 185 125 60 0.332
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 9, 2019 10:04:16 GMT -5
i wonder what the label is thinking?
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 9, 2019 10:09:07 GMT -5
People still make Greatest hits albums? The only one I could see selling is Taylor's and she hates the idea. Katy ain't quite there yet. NRO and CC did well, she just needs better material. ST ain't horrible, it could have been a solid top 10 if she had more momentum but it's not what she needs right now. GH would be a good home base for biggest hits but only when the career is closer to the end than beginning. Elton John's GH has been a huge success recently (after the movie but still, great streams week after week).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 10:10:48 GMT -5
forgot this even existed. she needs to come harder than this.
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