Camila Cabello – Romance

[Deleted]

Yeah honestly until college age, people do all sorts of stupid shit and it's something I personally can overlook

It doesn't make it necessarily right but most people usually have a huge dose of growth after 18
If she said this when she was what 14, I can sure as hell can put it past her.

I mean I think when I was that age I made some stupid comment thinking that friends with benefits just meant friends who help each other.

Which looking back at is like a total wtf and how

[Au$tin]

14 is absolutely more than old enough to realize what racism is and why it's wrong. Age is not an excuse here. Yes, she could absolutely have grown since then, and hopefully that is indeed the case, but let's not make any excuses for her younger self here. Her younger self could absolutely still be put on a pedestal for being wrong without ostracizing her currently. They aren't mutually exclusive.

[kimberly]

Dec 19, 2019 1:23:13 GMT -5 @mirza said:

Yeah honestly until college age, people do all sorts of stupid s**t and it's something I personally can overlook

It doesn't make it necessarily right but most people usually have a huge dose of growth after 18
If she said this when she was what 14, I can sure as hell can put it past her.

I mean I think when I was that age I made some stupid comment thinking that friends with benefits just meant friends who help each other.

Which looking back at is like a total wtf and how

Again, don't know your ethnicity, but the content she not only reblogged but in some cases composed herself is extremely racist and it really isn't up to non-black people to say we can "put it past her".

Racism is a big issue in general, but her comments as a white Latina who auditioned on X-Factor and joined Fifth Harmony when she was 15 with multiple people of color as her bandmates, is quite the story and in my opinion a giant red flag.

Also, not understanding adult lingo as a kid is much different than actively and repeatedly using racial slurs. Not singing along to songs, not reblogging on Tumblr, but actually bringing yourself to type it out, in 2012, is terrible. She should have known better.

[stunnedout]

she's trash.

[SHOOTER]

She and Sabrina Claudio should totally collab!

[adamalterlago]

Never have and never will like this girl. I don't know how people can stomach her. She's so so annoying even before all of this came out. Sadly, I think we all kinda knew in the back of our heads.

[Relaxing Cup]

Dec 19, 2019 2:34:51 GMT -5 stunnedout said:

she's trash.

and classless.

[Grün]

Cancel culture and the theatrics need to end. People make mistakes and they should have the chance and ability to rightfully atone for them.

Also, let's not pretend that everyone posting here hasn't said something racially insensitive or "problematic" once in his or her life. For God's sake.

You make mistakes, you learn and grow. That's called being human.

[divasummer]

Her team already knows that her concert tour isn't going to sell out on it's own.
There giving huge amounts to radio stations for giveaways.
It's probably some backend deal to get some airplay??? I don't know?
Did her team really think she was going to sell with no current solo hit out yet?

[leonagwen]

Dec 19, 2019 8:54:50 GMT -5 divasummer said:

Her team already knows that her concert tour isn't going to sell out on it's own.
There giving huge amounts to radio stations for giveaways.
It's probably some backend deal to get some airplay??? I don't know?
Did her team really think she was going to sell with no current solo hit out yet?

The concert tour starts in late June, so she better hurry up and get a decent radio hit with some longevity, then it should help with a follow up hit. My Oh My continues to do great on Spotify and ITunes, so all signs suggest that it should be a decent hit.My local station in Boston was giving away concert tickets last weekend.

[PGriffin]

I don't get the outrage. Did she post or like these posts/tweets last year? She was 14/15 years old at the time. I'm sure many of you here were bats out of hell at 14. Now, has she continued to exhibit racist tendencies since then? If so then there is a problem. Also, I agree with whoever said that non-black individuals should NOT tell black people how to feel. Everybody wanna be black til it's time to be black.

[Linnethia Monique]

Dec 19, 2019 9:36:28 GMT -5 PGriffin said:

I don't get the outrage. Did she post or like these posts/tweets last year? She was 14/15 years old at the time. I'm sure many of you here were bats out of hell at 14. Now, has she continued to exhibit racist tendencies since then? If so then there is a problem. Also, I agree with whoever said that non-black individuals should tell black people how to feel. Everybody wanna be black til it's time to be black.

Wait... repeat that again?!

[Au$tin]

Dec 19, 2019 9:36:28 GMT -5 PGriffin said:

She was 14/15 years old at the time. I'm sure many of you here were bats out of hell at 14.

Never an excuse.

[PGriffin]

Dec 19, 2019 9:40:56 GMT -5 Linnethia Monique said:

Dec 19, 2019 9:36:28 GMT -5 PGriffin said:

I don't get the outrage. Did she post or like these posts/tweets last year? She was 14/15 years old at the time. I'm sure many of you here were bats out of hell at 14. Now, has she continued to exhibit racist tendencies since then? If so then there is a problem. Also, I agree with whoever said that non-black individuals should tell black people how to feel. Everybody wanna be black til it's time to be black.

Wait... repeat that again?!

Thanks for pointing that out! It was an error of course. I corrected it.

[divasummer]

OT I guess but does she and Ariana Grande hang out in the same circles or are known to be friends?

[Ivy Leegue™]

I am almost at my wit's end with this fake outrage I have been seeing. Don't make me ask for receipts from every conversation you have had with your friends or shit you have posted, knowingly or unknowingly. Furthermore, I don't want to see ANYONE here insisting on branding Camila a "racist" while bopping along to Ariana Blackface Grande, Miley "I used Black Culture when it suited me but the MILLISECOND it didn't, I was quick to shit openly on a whole Black artform" Cyrus, or geeking out over fucking Disney Plus, with its RICH history of horrifically racist and stereotypical cartoons. There are few things I despise more in this world than hypocrisy. Also, it is convenient that I have yet to see any posts about the actual positive stuff that Camila has done for minorities since she has become famous. ENOUGH. WITH. THE. BULLSHIT.

[mackattack]

This isn't just one edgy post that she reblogged and feels bad for, it's a pattern. By 15, you should know what racism is, you've been taught about slavery and segregation in school ... there's is absolutely no excuse for this behaviour. These aren't the actions of someone who is "ignorant", they're the actions of someone who is very aware of systematic racism, and doesn't care. It seems like she finds HUMOR in racism. It's disgusting. And it's not something you naturally grow out of either, it's something you have to actively take steps to unlearn. Her "apology" is weak, self indulgent, and vague and the fact that she won't even directly address the black community just allows for her nonblack stans to feel entitled to accept it. I really hope this is the final nail in the coffin for her career, there's nothing special about her music- let's be real, you could replace her parts in Havana/Senorita with any pop girl and the songs would have done just as well. And to everyone in this thread defending her because you made ~edgy~ jokes too as a teenager: you didn't say edgy things, you said racist things and there's no excuse for it. Age is not an excuse when black children are the ones have to deal with your jokes. Racist children often grow up to be racist adults and trying to pass this obvious bigotry off as some sort of "phase" does nothing but normalize this behaviour, she still needs to be held accountable and so do all of you. Anyway, her team is crazy, I would have gone to my grave saying those screenshots were fake.

[mackattack]

Dec 19, 2019 11:33:28 GMT -5 Ivy Leegue™ said:

I am almost at my wit's end with this fake outrage I have been seeing. Don't make me ask for receipts from every conversation you have had with your friends or s**t you have posted, knowingly or unknowingly. Furthermore, I don't want to see ANYONE here insisting on branding Camila a "racist" while bopping along to Ariana Blackface Grande, Miley "I used Black Culture when it suited me but the MILLISECOND it didn't, I was quick to s**t openly on a whole Black artform" Cyrus, or geeking out over f**king Disney Plus, with its RICH history of horrifically racist and stereotypical cartoons. There are few things I despise more in this world than hypocrisy. Also, it is convenient that I have yet to see any posts about the actual positive stuff that Camila has done for minorities since she has become famous. ENOUGH. WITH. THE. bulls**t.

Ariana and Miley have been called out plenty for their behaviour so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make? Especially Miley lol, it's not like everything she's released for the last 5/6 years hasn't flopped. 

[Ivy Leegue™]

What I NEED from people is not to be hypocrites and accept shit from other people while being quick to vilify Camila in her current state of being, that's all. If you can't get that, sorry.

[popwizard]

I don’t understand how people can call this fake outrage.

She found humor in just about every racist stereotype in the book, and then some. I’m not too surprised people would think Black people are not deserving of dignity and think these racist jokes are fake outrage.

“Run n***a run?!” Really??? “N**let?” Actually using the hard “R” form of the word. Watermelon and fried chicken? I think all that was missing was a confederate flag and perhaps a photo of a lynching which she is not too far removed from considering her fans did that to one of her own band mates and it took her forever to muster up enough gusto to say “love always” as if it was an internal struggle to get to that point.

She is highly problematic, but I don’t want to see her fail, I hope she’s genuinely changed but I don’t think so.

[Ivy Leegue™]

What is your ethnicity, out of curiosity?

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

We been knew she was racist. I don't know where she stands today, and honestly we probably will never know. I think it's weird that we've been socialized to just expect and accept that non-blacks will have an anti-black phase growing up. Did I say a bunch of dumb, insensitive, probably racist and sexist things when I was that age? Yeah. Not to the extent that we have seen documented for her. But that does not excuse that it occurred. And I take responsibility for my actions and have grown. I refuse to move forward with the assumption that she has actually grown and matured past that or believe without follow-through that her actions were those of immaturity vs actual ideology. I will, however, allow her future actions to speak for themselves. Of course it is possible and likely that someone grows from what they were at 14. I'm just not going to assume that they have and forgive based on that assumption. She apologized; that's what any public figure would do in this situation. I don't care about the apology, because that's a given. I care to see any notable follow-through in the future. I'm sure she'll be more careful in the future, and I sincerely hope that she does not harbor extensive anti-black sentiment in her adulthood.

Look, I don't personally know miss Karla Camila Cabello, so I can't speak to her current character in terms of racism. But we can acknowledge that what she did at that time was bad and wrong and that she is right to apologize for it. We can also acknowledge that cancel culture does not exist. Outrage culture? Sure. Cancel culture? No. She'll be fine. A small group of people online will remember this and hold it against her forever, but the general public will either forget or just move on. We've seen that countless times. Some of you have already cited other examples (Ariana, Miley, Bieber, even her bf Shawn). She'll be fine. So let's not go crying on grave for her career. Well, you can based on how this album is performing, but not based on some nebulous cancellation that means nothing.

[popwizard]

Dec 19, 2019 12:45:07 GMT -5 Ivy Leegue™ said:

What is your ethnicity, out of curiosity?

Black.

[Choco]

I'm not saying this makes it OK, and yes, the posts were dumb and offensive but I've seen worse from people that age.

Breaking news: teenagers are dumb and make racist jokes.

She'll be fine. I'm surprised her team had not deleted those accounts.

[Ivy Leegue™]

Another intelligent response from FAKP, not that I would expect anything less. The only issue I would cite here is the opening statement, which I feel was just inflammatory/your nature anyway, especially given how you followed it directly with admission of saying things that were "probably racist" yourself, and yet...you are not a racist. I want to be careful that I don't excuse her actions/words/re-posting, but I would say those things alone do not a racist make. I definitely don't know what is in her heart of hearts and maybe it's just what I am "choosing to believe" but I "choose to believe" that nothing about her is ACTUALLY racist. I think, especially in this day and age, we need to be careful about labeling people. There is a difference between "racially insensitive" and "racist" - it may be a fine line, but, nonetheless, the line DOES exist. Also, I know there are people who clearly wouldn't like Camila no matter what she does. Hell, I was the same way about Taylor for YEARS, so I get it. But, I just don't want people to rush into the attack due to an overall bias against the girl. Even when I couldn't stand Taylor OR her music, I would never be quick to call her a racist unless there was some flagrant example of her exhibiting racism as a full-grown adult.

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

Ivy Leegue™ my opening line was made is jest/fun. It was also a reference to the fact that we been had receipts for what she did in her early teens. Emphasis on the “was” in the statement.

[crdubb17]

LMAO! The reality is that non blacks have no place in accepting or condemning her apology. That's just that on that. It doesn't really matter what non blacks think about this situation, because they're not the target of her hateful racism. So you can be upset that people are ripping her to shreds, but your defense of her doesn't hold any weight. At the end of the day she showed her whole entire racist ass, repeatedly. That's some deep seated shit that you don't just grow out of over time. Or are you going to tell me that most non black people think and act the way she did at age 16 and that they all just grow out of this mental illness like they grow out of a pair of shoes? Make it make sense. Actually, don't. I don't care what anyone thinks about this situation. I don't expect everyone to condemn her, but to defend her against deserved criticism is just... I don't even have words.

FAKP is correct: The small population of people who won't forget about this are the minorities who were directly affected by her disturbingly racist remarks. How on earth can a black person ever forget that someone literally saw them in this manner? She didn't just do something dumb or inconsiderate, she expressed RACIST remarks. Repeatedly. There's no gray area, it's indefensible. How can, or why would, any black person dismiss that?

Black people aren't a big portion of her fanbase, and the nonblacks who are her fanbase will wash this away because it doesn't affect them. Her career will be fine.

[Ivy Leegue™]

Dec 19, 2019 14:23:00 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

Ivy Leegue™ my opening line was made is jest/fun. It was also a reference to the fact that we been had receipts for what she did in her early teens. Emphasis on the “was” in the statement.

Yeah, I realized that when I wrote my pseudo-disclaimer about it being your provocative nature. Either way, you have had the best post regarding this debacle, so thanks for that.

[Ty]

On a side note, her largest fan account in China (25k followers on Weibo) announced they would terminate future updates:

[Maximillian]

Look, I can't pretend to view this from the eyes of the black community. As others stated, my opinion really is moot here since the words / attack wasn't targeted at me. However, as a gay man, I have had to think about artists / celebrities who have had stuff "resurface" and/or who have made blatant homophobic comments. In those instances, some I feel have given genuine apologies / taken actions (Eminem, 50 Cent, Tracy Morgan, Iggy Azalea) and then there are some who I think gave a "save face" apology and really haven't changed / I haven't changed my views on them due to little to no action I consider worthwhile (Chris Brown, Kevin Hart, Isaiah Washington, Beenie Man, Common, Azealia Banks). There are tons of examples here. My point is this, I try to look at how somebody grows from that incident and then decide if I want to give them another chance.

Camila frankly needs to do more than just the "save face" apology. IDC when this was posted or how old she was. 14 year olds still know the power of the internet. I hope she has grown, I hope she continues to grow, and frankly, only she can show the world through her actions if she's sincere or not. Time will tell.