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Post by chanman on Sept 21, 2019 19:53:01 GMT -5
They probably won't score another real hit till they feature another popping black artist on one of their songs like they've been doing since 2012. Yeah, they haven't had a top ten hit on Hot 100 without featuring artists since Sugar (2015). The second quote is more accurate, but not the first. After Payphone, they had a SLEW of major top 10 hits without any features at all (forget about what type) from 2012 to Sugar in 2015: One More Night, Daylight, Love Somebody, Maps, Animals, and Sugar, so sorry thegreatdivine but you are just factually inaccurate there. The singles from Red Pill Blues, including Don't Wanna Know and on, however, I'll admit there's a point there, however I would say Kendrick wasn't a major draw on Don't Wanna Know, and he didn't really add much to the song - it probably would've been a hit without him. 85la I am glad you pointed that out. Also, I think its brilliant idea for a feature (it shows more creativity musically and it helps change the image/style of the band), but then again not all collabs work that well like in Don't Wanna Know. For any artist, I say do whatever it takes to make a song a hit. It's like saying Old Town Road may not have been a real hit without Cyrus? |
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Post by 85la on Sept 21, 2019 20:59:54 GMT -5
85la I'm aware of Maroon 5's history of solo hit records. I used Payphone with Wiz Khalifa as an example because it marked the beginning of their album collaborations with black artists. They've scored tons of solo hits since then, but it's been widely noted that they tend to collaborate with whatever black artist is hot at whatever time they're making a new album. I'm almost certain their forthcoming album will have a song featuring Lizzo. Their last album had features from A$AP Rocky, Future, Kendrick Lamar and SZA. Sugar had a remix that featured Nicki Minaj. Girls Like You had a remix that featured Cardi B. I didn't point it out to insinuate that it was a bad thing. It's something my friends online tease them about sometimes and I just happened to mention it here. Noted, however I don't think I would point them out as a prime example of this, at least in terms of the number of those collaborations that went on to be hits. They've only had 4 major top 10's (not just since 2012, but during their whole career) that featured black artists (Payphone feat. Wiz Khalifa, Don't Wanna Know feat. Kendrick Lamar, What Lovers Do feat. SZA, and the Girls Like You remix with Cardi; I wouldn't count the Sugar remix with Nicki because that wasn't what made that song big). And with the exception of Cardi, none of these artists were exactly huge at the time, in fact Kendrick and SZA you could argue became much bigger a little after. This trend is far from unique to Maroon 5 either. Many other white pop artists have tacked on successful rappers/black artists to their songs to score bigger hits. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 21, 2019 22:27:41 GMT -5
I forget Kendrick was on Don't Wanna Know. I've only heard the version with him maybe twice. I agree that I don't think he was a major draw behind that song's success - but I also forget whether he was part of the song's buzz. Cardi on Girls Like You, though, I think she was hugely instrumental in that song's success.
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Post by 𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿 on Sept 22, 2019 0:06:20 GMT -5
I preferred "Don't Wanna Know" with Kendrick. But regardless of having a feature or not, Maroon 5 has been making tons of hits through out the years.
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Post by tanooki on Sept 22, 2019 0:48:38 GMT -5
The second quote is more accurate, but not the first. After Payphone, they had a SLEW of major top 10 hits without any features at all (forget about what type) from 2012 to Sugar in 2015: One More Night, Daylight, Love Somebody, Maps, Animals, and Sugar, so sorry thegreatdivine but you are just factually inaccurate there. The singles from Red Pill Blues, including Don't Wanna Know and on, however, I'll admit there's a point there, however I would say Kendrick wasn't a major draw on Don't Wanna Know, and he didn't really add much to the song - it probably would've been a hit without him. 85la I am glad you pointed that out. Also, I think its brilliant idea for a feature (it shows more creativity musically and it helps change the image/style of the band), but then again not all collabs work that well like in Don't Wanna Know. For any artist, I say do whatever it takes to make a song a hit. It's like saying Old Town Road may not have been a real hit without Cyrus? Old Town Road hit #1 before the BRC remix. It wouldn't have broken all those records, but it still would've been a decent hit |
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Post by owenlovesmusic on Sept 22, 2019 0:49:45 GMT -5
Wiz Khalifa was big
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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 22, 2019 4:31:08 GMT -5
85la oh yeah, it's definitely not unique to Maroon 5. Pop acts have been featuring rappers on their songs for decades now. It's definitely not a new thing. It's not a bad thing either. Collaborations, when they work, are great things to have and can elevate a song's quality. It also makes more sense to feature a rapper on a song these days if only because of how big rap music has become. I really just mentioned it because I have friends who tease them about it. Drake fans tease him about something similar: how he's worked with very few non-African American artists. I was thinking about it the other day and in his 13 years of releasing music as Drake, the only such artists he's ever worked with are Justin Bieber, Justin Timberlake, Bad Bunny, Romeo Santos, Majid Jordan and Eminem.
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Post by 𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿 on Sept 22, 2019 4:52:18 GMT -5
85la I am glad you pointed that out. Also, I think its brilliant idea for a feature (it shows more creativity musically and it helps change the image/style of the band), but then again not all collabs work that well like in Don't Wanna Know. For any artist, I say do whatever it takes to make a song a hit. It's like saying Old Town Road may not have been a real hit without Cyrus? Old Town Road hit #1 before the BRC remix. It wouldn't have broken all those records, but it still would've been a decent hit It could've spent half the weeks it eventually had (like 9 or 10 weeks instead of 19) EDIT: If that happened, then likely "Old Town Road" ended up at #3 in the YE and being blocked by 2 #1s that spent less than 3 weeks at #1 [Sunflower with one, Without Me with two], just like in 2016 YE where Drake's "One Dance" with 10 weeks at #1 was blocked by Justin Bieber's "Sorry" that spent 3 weeks at #1 and "Love Yourself" which spent 2. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 22, 2019 5:29:06 GMT -5
No Guidance is an absolute monster. After a month away from #1 due to Young Thug and Post Malone's albums, it's back to #1 on Apple Music US.
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Post by moonlite on Sept 22, 2019 7:09:02 GMT -5
^ Shame it never got to hit top 5 on the H100
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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 22, 2019 7:26:01 GMT -5
^ Shame it never got to hit top 5 on the H100 Yeah, it would have been nice if it did. Either way, it's shaping up to be one of Chris Brown's biggest hits. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 22, 2019 8:41:16 GMT -5
85la oh yeah, it's definitely not unique to Maroon 5. Pop acts have been featuring rappers on their songs for decades now. It's definitely not a new thing. It's not a bad thing either. Collaborations, when they work, are great things to have and can elevate a song's quality. It also makes more sense to feature a rapper on a song these days if only because of how big rap music has become. I really just mentioned it because I have friends who tease them about it. Drake fans tease him about something similar: how he's worked with very few non-African American artists. I was thinking about it the other day and in his 13 years of releasing music as Drake, the only such artists he's ever worked with are Justin Bieber, Justin Timberlake, Bad Bunny, Romeo Santos, Majid Jordan and Eminem. Don't forget Chantal Kreviazuk on Over My Dead Body. Though I don't think she got listed credit. |
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 22, 2019 8:55:08 GMT -5
Panini or Ransom is #1 on Spotify today, I believe both overtook Circles.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 22, 2019 9:13:35 GMT -5
Rose "Payola" Nylund yeah, but she was never credited as a co-lead or as a featured artist on the song. He's worked with tons of other non-African American musicians that aren't artists but are instead producers or instrumentalists. His closest collaborator, Noah "40" Shebib, is Caucasian, but he primarily produces and engineers his songs. I was talking strictly about artists.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 22, 2019 9:14:58 GMT -5
Panini or Ransom is #1 on Spotify today, I believe both overtook Circles. I've noticed that Goodbyes is already dying out on radio. I feel like Post didn't play his cards right with Goodbyes and Circles. Their videos are already out and both of them might not peak as high as Sunflower did on radio. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 22, 2019 9:18:43 GMT -5
Rose "Payola" Nylund yeah, but she was never credited as a co-lead or as a featured artist on the song. He's worked with tons of other non-African American musicians that aren't artists but are instead producers or instrumentalists. His closest collaborator, Noah "40" Shebib, is Caucasian, but he primarily produces and engineers his songs. I was talking strictly about artists. She's an artist though and is/was a fairly big name in Canada. I haven't listened to that song in years but does she sing the chorus too along with play piano on that track? |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Sept 22, 2019 9:40:28 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2019/09/22
1(=) Lizzo - Truth Hurts 155.64(+0.48)
2(=) Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita 148.47(-0.39) 3(=) Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 127.31(-0.99)
4(=) Khalid - Talk 119.88(-1.59)
5(=) Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 114.22(+0.79)
6(=) Jonas Brothers - Sucker 105.73(-0.48)
7(=) Billie Eilish - bad guy 93.82(-1.13)
8(=) Post Malone - Goodbyes (feat. Young Thug) 87.18(-1.31)
9(=) Chris Brown - No Guidance (feat. Drake) 85.06(+0.38)
10(=) Shawn Mendes - If I Can't Have You 78.76(-1.66)
18(+1) Chris Lane - I Don't Know About You 51.11(+1.16)
27(+1) Post Malone - Circles 45.73(+0.80) 33(=) Matt Stell - Prayed for You 43.12(+0.93)
35(=) Brantley Gilbert & Lindsay Ell - What Happens in a Small Town 39.29(+0.70)
44(+3) Wale - On Chill (feat. Jeremih) 34.73(+0.83) 52(+1) Lil Nas X - Panini 30.56(+1.20)
75(+5) Camila Cabello - Liar 21.70(+1.44)
78(+3) Luke Combs - Even Though I'm Leaving 21.07(+0.86)
81(+5) Chris Brown - Heat (feat. Gunna) 20.50(+0.98)
89(+10) Maroon 5 - Memories 18.89(+2.69) -(-) Lizzo - Good as Hell 13.26(+0.90)
-(-) Halsey - Graveyard 12.25(+0.97)
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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 22, 2019 9:48:19 GMT -5
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Sept 22, 2019 10:37:19 GMT -5
That's so.... disappointing
Edit - the no guidance back at number one thing
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Post by mzumii on Sept 22, 2019 11:11:33 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2019/09/22
1(=) Lizzo - Truth Hurts 155.64(+0.48)
2(=) Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita 148.47(-0.39) 3(=) Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 127.31(-0.99)
4(=) Khalid - Talk 119.88(-1.59)
5(=) Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 114.22(+0.79)
6(=) Jonas Brothers - Sucker 105.73(-0.48)
7(=) Billie Eilish - bad guy 93.82(-1.13)
8(=) Post Malone - Goodbyes (feat. Young Thug) 87.18(-1.31)
9(=) Chris Brown - No Guidance (feat. Drake) 85.06(+0.38)
10(=) Shawn Mendes - If I Can't Have You 78.76(-1.66)
18(+1) Chris Lane - I Don't Know About You 51.11(+1.16)
27(+1) Post Malone - Circles 45.73(+0.80) 33(=) Matt Stell - Prayed for You 43.12(+0.93)
35(=) Brantley Gilbert & Lindsay Ell - What Happens in a Small Town 39.29(+0.70)
44(+3) Wale - On Chill (feat. Jeremih) 34.73(+0.83) 52(+1) Lil Nas X - Panini 30.56(+1.20)
75(+5) Camila Cabello - Liar 21.70(+1.44)
78(+3) Luke Combs - Even Though I'm Leaving 21.07(+0.86)
81(+5) Chris Brown - Heat (feat. Gunna) 20.50(+0.98)
89(+10) Maroon 5 - Memories 18.89(+2.69) -(-) Lizzo - Good as Hell 13.26(+0.90)
-(-) Halsey - Graveyard 12.25(+0.97)
Goodbyes already losing points? It deserves better |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 22, 2019 13:10:54 GMT -5
That's so.... disappointing Edit - the no guidance back at number one thing How/why is it disappointing? |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Sept 22, 2019 13:39:13 GMT -5
That's so.... disappointing Edit - the no guidance back at number one thing How/why is it disappointing? Obvious reasons, Chris Brown is a sucking void of shitty-ness. |
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Post by kacpi on Sept 22, 2019 14:17:38 GMT -5
US Spotify, 09/21/2019
#1 Ransom 1.863 mil
#2 Panini 1.568 mil
#3 Circles 1.536 mil
#5 Truth Hurts 1.095 mil
#8 Goodbyes 1.027 mil
#10 No Guidance 899k
#11 Señorita 898k
#17 Someone You Loved 749k
#20 Don't Call Me Angel 720k
#21 Memories 701k
#26 bad guy 655k
#32 INTRO 597k
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Post by kacpi on Sept 22, 2019 14:19:07 GMT -5
Also, September by Earth, Wind & Fire re-entered the US Spotify chart at #42.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 22, 2019 14:24:43 GMT -5
How/why is it disappointing? Obvious reasons, Chris Brown is a sucking void of s**tty-ness. Oh. Well, he isn't the first "problematic" artist to still enjoy commercial success and he won't be the last. |
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Post by Gary on Sept 22, 2019 14:29:09 GMT -5
There are Chris Brown fans out there obviously
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Post by violentdreams on Sept 22, 2019 15:13:01 GMT -5
It might be premature to say, but I really don't see Goodbyes and Circles serving the same kind of longevity as the BB&B singles + Sunflower and Wow. I think Post would have been better off waiting until 2020 to start the new album cycle.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 22, 2019 15:21:39 GMT -5
Not every artist can maintain the consistency of dropping albums and singles year after year and having them all be successful. It's hard to do and when you really think about it, Post Malone hasn't stopped since White Iverson in 2015. This is his third album in four years. Even if this album and other songs off it go on to be successful and serve longevity, the fatigue from his fans will eventually set in. He'll eventually need to take some sort of break (how long will be determined by him and the kind of fans he has).
If I were him, I'd spend the whole of next year touring and not releasing any new music and then hit the ground running in 2021.
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Post by ddlz on Sept 22, 2019 16:43:30 GMT -5
The reason why Goodbyes and Circles are flopping is because they're truly terrible, overly generic radio songs. It has nothing to do with the timing or overexposure. Post's fans are simply noticing that he's starting to sound like Maroon 5 knockoff and they're not liking it.  |
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Post by Gary on Sept 22, 2019 16:48:39 GMT -5
I do not understand this threads obsession with Maroon 5
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