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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 19:15:27 GMT -5
We’ll see what happens! I’ll continue to remain optimistic. More so, however, I’m excited to see what will happen once this song peaks and how the label will proceed. I’m not sure that an extended absence from radio like Carrie has taken between album cycles is a smart move right now.
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Post by musicfan134 on May 10, 2020 19:49:54 GMT -5
We’ll see what happens! I’ll continue to remain optimistic. More so, however, I’m excited to see what will happen once this song peaks and how the label will proceed. I’m not sure that an extended absence from radio like Carrie has taken between album cycles is a smart move right now.I say this as someone who loves the Cry Pretty album...miles more than the Storyteller album. What other song(s) from CP would make good singles? Especially a fifth single...I don't know that there's anything left on the album that would smash. She might be better off waiting and releasing an original Christmas song this holiday season a new single either from CU7 or maybe a one off duet or something. I think releasing a fifth single just to release something, from an album that has "underperformed" (yes, by Carrie's standards, it has "underperformed") may end up causing more harm than good--but it depends on how far away we are from new music. I guess I could maybe see her pulling an ITYS and releasing GOTS as a duet with Dolly or something...but she's already done something very similar to that, and I would question how well even that would do.
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Post by taylor on May 10, 2020 20:34:36 GMT -5
I would love for there to be a fifth single but sadly there's just nothing left imo that would stick at radio. EUWY and GOTS are the closest things that I think could be released but I fear that GOTS would likely stop in the 15-20 range because it's not uptempo or poppy enough for country radio's summer standards (see the title track's thread, where I believe one poster pointed out that people at beach parties would change the station when CP came on because of it's slowness), and EUWY would stall because it's TOO poppy for country radio (even more poppy than the likes of "The Bones") and...well it's the fifth single from an album that was released over a year and a half ago.
Personally, I'm hoping for CU7 or at least the lead from it towards the end of this year (or even the Christmas album) but tbh I don't think she's been recording from home. From reading the Find Your Path book and knowing her, she has likely focused on spending this precious time with Mike and the kids. I would wait as well. Family trumps everything.
There will probably be a new single in time for the new ACM date, if we can even hold things like that in September--where she'll be crowned Entertainer of the Year as she deserves.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 20:38:22 GMT -5
We’ll see what happens! I’ll continue to remain optimistic. More so, however, I’m excited to see what will happen once this song peaks and how the label will proceed. I’m not sure that an extended absence from radio like Carrie has taken between album cycles is a smart move right now.I say this as someone who loves the Cry Pretty album...miles more than the Storyteller album. What other song(s) from CP would make good singles? Especially a fifth single...I don't know that there's anything left on the album that would smash. She might be better off waiting and releasing an original Christmas song this holiday season a new single either from CU7 or maybe a one off duet or something. I think releasing a fifth single just to release something, from an album that has "underperformed" (yes, by Carrie's standards, it has "underperformed") may end up causing more harm than good--but it depends on how far away we are from new music. I guess I could maybe see her pulling an ITYS and releasing GOTS as a duet with Dolly or something...but she's already done something very similar to that, and I would question how well even that would do. Perhaps I should have been more clear, but I’m not advocating for a fifth single from Cry Pretty, and I don’t believe they would ever take that approach. However, it would be nice to not have a complete lull between eras; if UMG is looking to match the radio success Carrie had with Sony, it would be best done by continuing on with the momentum she currently has going (even if it’s minimal by her standards). However, judging by how this album cycle has played out, it’s rather apparent that the label isn’t focused on radio success as a means by which to promote Carrie, the album, or the tour. The album boasts great figures considering the state of sales across the industry, and the tour was a massive success. I get the impression that they’ve rendered more creative control to Carrie that extends beyond the feat of co-producing the album, but also selecting what goes to radio, and she’s expressed previously that she isn’t overly concerned with where she lands on the charts (I can provide a source for this comment, though it will take some time and digging). She’s earned the privilege of taking a lax approach to airplay because, still maintaining the status as the most prominent contemporary female artist, she’s only ‘competing’ against herself at this point.
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Post by carrieidol1 on May 11, 2020 17:16:42 GMT -5
So DA made it to the top 10 on Mediabase! So, that’s something...
I believe this is Carrie’s 30th top 10 country single?
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Post by taylor on May 11, 2020 17:20:04 GMT -5
So DA made it to the top 10 on Mediabase! So, that’s something... I believe this is Carrie’s 30th top 10 country single? On Mediabase, I believe so! (And if I'm not wrong, it's her 30th consecutive Top 10 single at least on Mediabase)
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Post by Troublemaker on May 11, 2020 19:49:48 GMT -5
Finally re-enters HCS at no 19
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Post by HeyHeyHey on May 14, 2020 10:29:34 GMT -5
That is cool that Carrie now has 30 top 10’s. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of you on here could name them all in order without looking it up.
I am still liking this one a lot, probably in about my top 15 Carrie songs, and TBH “Southbound” was too.
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Post by taylor on May 14, 2020 10:51:36 GMT -5
That is cool that Carrie now has 30 top 10’s. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of you on here could name them all in order without looking it up. I am still liking this one a lot, probably in about my top 15 Carrie songs, and TBH “Southbound” was too. :kii: 1. Jesus, Take The Wheel 2. Don't Forget to Remember Me 3. Before He Cheats 4. Wasted 5. So Small 6. All-American Girl 7. Last Name 8. Just a Dream 9. I Told You So ft. Randy Travis 10. Cowboy Casanova 11. Temporary Home 12. Undo It 13. Mama's Song 14. Remind Me (Brad Paisley ft. Carrie) 15. Good Girl 16. Blown Away 17. Two Black Cadillacs 18. See You Again 19. Somethin' Bad (Miranda Lambert ft. Carrie) 20. Something in the Water 21. Little Toy Guns 22. Smoke Break 23. Heartbeat 24. Church Bells 25. Dirty Laundry 26. The Fighter (Keith Urban ft. Carrie) 27. Cry Pretty 28. Love Wins 29. Southbound 30. Drinking Alone This is Mediabase of course. On Billboard, "Love Wins" ended the Top 10 streak and "Drinking Alone" is still charting, currently outside of the Top 10. On Mediabase, this streak of 30 is CONSECUTIVE. Legends only. This is in order too. #CarrieForBestStan
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Post by carrieidol1 on May 14, 2020 10:52:29 GMT -5
That is cool that Carrie now has 30 top 10’s. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of you on here could name them all in order without looking it up. I am still liking this one a lot, probably in about my top 15 Carrie songs, and TBH “Southbound” was too. Challenge accepted: 1: JTTW 2: DFTRM 3: BHC 4: Wasted 5: SS 6: AAG 7: LN 8: JAD 9: ITYS (with Randy Travis) 10: CC 11: TH 12: UI 13: MS 14: Remind Me (with Brad) 15: GG 16: BA 17: TBC 18: SYA 19: Somethin' Bad (with Miranda) 20: SITW 21: LTG 22: SB 23: Heartbeat 24: CB 25: DL 26: The Fighter (with Keith) 27: CP 28: LW 29: SB 30: DA ETA: dammit. I was beaten to the challenge! But this was fun! Legendarrie, for sure! ETAA: Carrie has charted in the top 10 (mostly top 5) on BB and MB every year since 2005 - JTTW was in the top 10 before it peaked in January, 2006. In other words, Carrie has achieved AT LEAST one top 10 single every year for sixteen consecutive years (2005-2020).
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Post by brinkeronline on May 14, 2020 13:31:31 GMT -5
That is cool that Carrie now has 30 top 10’s. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of you on here could name them all in order without looking it up. I am still liking this one a lot, probably in about my top 15 Carrie songs, and TBH “Southbound” was too. I stopped scrolling after reading this to see if I could do it: 1. Jesus, Take the Wheel 2. Don't Forget to Remember Me 3. Before He Cheats 4. Wasted 5. So Small 6. All American Girl 7. Last Name8. Just A Dream 9. I Told You So 10. Cowboy Casanova 11. Temporary Home 12. Undo It 13. Mama's Song 14. Remind Me w/ Brad 15. Good Girl 16. Blown Away 17. Two Black Cadillacs 18. See You Again 19. Somethin' Bad w/ Miranda 20. Something in the Water 21. Little Toy Guns 22. Smoke Break 23. Heartbeat 24. Church Bells 25. Dirty Laundry 26. The Fighter 27. Cry Pretty 28. Love Wins 29. Southbound 30. Drinking Alone I bolded the two I get confused on their order, but I think all the rest are correct!
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 21:51:32 GMT -5
And here some of y’all have been maligning this single and all but writing Carrie Underwood off as though she—again, the most prominent female artist in the country music format—is struggling like an artist three years into their career and navigating their sophomore album era. Look at the aforementioned stats, because they’re impressive and NO contemporary female artist launched between 1990 and 2020—a thirty-year span—can match the consistency of both singles and album sales of Carrie Underwood.
In today’s climate, Cry Pretty has still been certified Platinum by the RIAA. Every single album she has released has at least one such distinction. Again, her contemporaries cannot claim such.
Yet, some of you are so eager to split hairs and actively bet against “Drinking Alone” achieving rightful Top 10 status. I’m still waiting for the punchline to this long-running joke that there was ever any doubt radio would abandon its flagship female artist over a couple bad single choices. Don’t reply with some arbitrary chart percentages or call out scores, either, because we all know there’s far more nuance to the argument than gains, losses, and feeble attempts to undercut the success of songs she produced herself.
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Post by lady𝓐fan on May 14, 2020 22:14:57 GMT -5
And here some of y’all have been maligning this single and all but writing Carrie Underwood off as though she—again, the most prominent female artist in the country music format—is struggling like an artist three years into their career and navigating their sophomore album era. Look at the aforementioned stats, because they’re impressive and NO contemporary female artist launched between 1990 and 2020—a thirty-year span—can match the consistency of both singles and album sales of Carrie Underwood. In today’s climate, Cry Pretty has still been certified Platinum by the RIAA. Every single album she has released has at least one such distinction. Again, her contemporaries cannot claim such. Yet, some of you are so eager to split hairs and actively bet against “Drinking Alone” achieving rightful Top 10 status. I’m still waiting for the punchline to this long-running joke that there was ever any doubt radio would abandon its flagship female artist over a couple bad single choices. Don’t reply with some arbitrary chart percentages or call out scores, either, because we all know there’s far more nuance to the argument than gains, losses, and feeble attempts to undercut the success of songs she produced herself. This seems unnecessarily aggressive. I don’t know who you’re talking about, but in the last 2 pages I really haven’t seen anyone “maligning” this song or trying to undercut the success Carrie’s had with this album. Perhaps some people are more optimistic than others, but this is hyperbole if ever I’ve seen it.
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Post by Tylerjamesnerd on May 14, 2020 22:35:39 GMT -5
I would like to add that although Carrie Underwood is one of the biggest names and most consistent artists doesn't mean there isn't room for criticism or skepticism when it comes to single/chart performance. Especially after underwhelming single and chart performances back to back. Looking at the song from were it stands now in the chart climate and evaluating its chances is what were aloud to do, even if we have negative views on chart chances.
I'm rooting for this though.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 22:36:43 GMT -5
And here some of y’all have been maligning this single and all but writing Carrie Underwood off as though she—again, the most prominent female artist in the country music format—is struggling like an artist three years into their career and navigating their sophomore album era. Look at the aforementioned stats, because they’re impressive and NO contemporary female artist launched between 1990 and 2020—a thirty-year span—can match the consistency of both singles and album sales of Carrie Underwood. In today’s climate, Cry Pretty has still been certified Platinum by the RIAA. Every single album she has released has at least one such distinction. Again, her contemporaries cannot claim such. Yet, some of you are so eager to split hairs and actively bet against “Drinking Alone” achieving rightful Top 10 status. I’m still waiting for the punchline to this long-running joke that there was ever any doubt radio would abandon its flagship female artist over a couple bad single choices. Don’t reply with some arbitrary chart percentages or call out scores, either, because we all know there’s far more nuance to the argument than gains, losses, and feeble attempts to undercut the success of songs she produced herself. This seems unnecessarily aggressive. I don’t know who you’re talking about, but in the last 2 pages I really haven’t seen anyone “maligning” this song or trying to undercut the success Carrie’s had with this album. Perhaps some people are more optimistic than others, but this is hyperbole if ever I’ve seen it. I sincerely apologize if my post came across as aggressive, as that was not my intention! I’m genuinely sorry if that stirred something unpleasant inside you. That said, the amount of negativity surrounding this single’s prospects is very off-putting. There are times in which I read posts and my emotional response is that it sounds as though people want it to fail as if to prove a point. Who is to say that this song can’t reach the Top 5? It may be my own sensitivity dictating my responses, but I do find engaging in this discussion difficult because of perceived land mines of negativity.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 22:39:57 GMT -5
I would like to add that although Carrie Underwood is one of the biggest names and most consistent artists doesn't mean there isn't room for criticism or skepticism when it comes to single/chart performance. Especially after underwhelming single and chart performances back to back. Looking at the song from were it stands now in the chart climate and evaluating its chances is what were aloud to do, even if we have negative views on chart chances. I'm rooting for this though. I’m not advocating for Carrie Underwood to be exempt from criticism or that people aren’t allowed to share opinions and theories on chart performances, as that is the purpose of the forum. Even so, I feel there is more of an onslaught of negativity in this thread than I’ve witnessed in others as of late. Personally, I think the song is doing fine. I understand that I’m a stan and I do work to maintain objectivity within these discourses, although I feel this single has been quite criticized and I’m not sure it’s all warranted. That’s just one opinion though, you know?
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Post by Tylerjamesnerd on May 14, 2020 22:42:09 GMT -5
Sounds good. This is such a good song and I want it to go number 1. We'll have to wait and see.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 22:45:33 GMT -5
I’d be happy just to see it crack the BB Top 5. My standards aren’t sky high; I just want a decent showing.
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Post by raylatch98 on May 14, 2020 22:56:12 GMT -5
I am just confused where this "negative" comments is coming from, and if it is in reference to me than I am sorry as that was not how I was trying to convey my thoughts on this songs chart run. I will say for myself I never doubted country radio full on abandoning Carrie Underwood this era, but it did seem like for me this era was destined to have all of her singles peak in the Top 20. So not full on abandonment but a cool down (a better version to that of Miranda Lambert's double album).
But once again, sorry that I came across negative if you are referring to me.
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Post by bboat11 on May 14, 2020 23:39:21 GMT -5
The "negativity" is no different from the way Carrie's threads always turn out. In other words, it's just fans freaking out every time she has an individual isolated day of lackluster airplay, and proceeding to freak out as if her career is ending. It's nothing we haven't seen before.
She will be fine. She will make the top 10 with this song, and probably the top 5.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 0:01:44 GMT -5
What’s left to say is that I don’t believe the notion of a Carrie Underwood song performing well should be shocking. She’s had a few missteps this era in an otherwise spectacular career, and the narrative seems to have shifted to surprise that her recent singles have even reached the Top 20. Artists of much low calibers and visibility routinely reach such heights—are we really going to assert audience interest is waning because the lead single peaked at #9? The album sales and touring numbers say otherwise. I still believe Carrie’s career is healthy and viable, but I understand why others don’t feel similarly after a string of singles only reaching the Top 10 and one Mediabase #1 thus far for the era.
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Post by bboat11 on May 15, 2020 0:12:50 GMT -5
What’s left to say is that I don’t believe the notion of a Carrie Underwood song performing well should be shocking. She’s had a few missteps this era in an otherwise spectacular career, and the narrative seems to have shifted to surprise that her recent singles have even reached the Top 20. Artists of much low calibers and visibility routinely reach such heights—are we really going to assert audience interest is waning because the lead single peaked at #9? The album sales and touring numbers say otherwise. I still believe Carrie’s career is healthy and viable, but I understand why others don’t feel similarly after a string of singles only reaching the Top 10 and one Mediabase #1 thus far for the era. Like I said, it's just people overreacting. It has always happened in Carrie's threads, lol. But you do have to acknowledge that conversations about Carrie's long-term prospects are bound to happen as well, and it is only realistic to conceive that she might start missing the top 20 every once in awhile heading into the future. This era has been wildly successful at radio for her, but it has been less wildly successful than the rest of her career, so naturally people are going to start theorizing and/or worrying about what's next. But yeah, it's mostly just overreactions. Unless Carrie pulls a Faith Hill and decides to drop off the face of the planet for the next 15 years to raise the children, she is going to be just fine. Lol
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 0:17:40 GMT -5
What’s left to say is that I don’t believe the notion of a Carrie Underwood song performing well should be shocking. She’s had a few missteps this era in an otherwise spectacular career, and the narrative seems to have shifted to surprise that her recent singles have even reached the Top 20. Artists of much low calibers and visibility routinely reach such heights—are we really going to assert audience interest is waning because the lead single peaked at #9? The album sales and touring numbers say otherwise. I still believe Carrie’s career is healthy and viable, but I understand why others don’t feel similarly after a string of singles only reaching the Top 10 and one Mediabase #1 thus far for the era. Like I said, it's just people overreacting. It has always happened in Carrie's threads, lol. But you do have to acknowledge that conversations about Carrie's long-term prospects are bound to happen as well, and it is only realistic to conceive that she might start missing the top 20 every once in awhile heading into the future. This era has been wildly successful at radio for her, but it has been less wildly successful than the rest of her career, so naturally people are going to start theorizing and/or worrying about what's next. I agree and think that’s a fair assessment, but we won’t know for certain until she releases the lead single for CU7 and we can determine if the Cry Pretty material just wasn’t working or if there is a shift occurring in her relationship with radio.
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Post by musicfan134 on May 15, 2020 0:23:25 GMT -5
Something to keep in mind is that, until quite recently Carrie had a Top 3 streak going. (I'd have to look up the stats on her collabs with Miranda and Keith...but even so, those weren't technically "her" songs.) She lost that Top 3 streak with the release of Cry Pretty, AND she lost her Top 10 streak on Billboard--which isn't a huge deal, but it is something to discuss. Now, I want to make this quite plain: I am NOT trying to undermine her success with this album, and maintaining her consecutive Top 10s is a huge feat! But there's a big difference between Top 10 and Top 3. For Carrie's standards (which are ridiculously high!) this album hasn't performed as well as her last albums have. That is NOT me trying to say that she is doing poorly, or that her career is ending and she should retire tomorrow. All I'm saying is that, from an outsider looking in, it LOOKS like she is "dying down" a little bit with this album. And that's rather unfortunate, because this is some of the best material she's come out with. I would go so far as to say this album is her best album since...Carnival Ride? Maybe even Some Hearts.
So, I don't think it's fair to attack people for commenting on her recent radio success and how it's different from her past albums. Because it is. There are a number of factors that could go into that--the amount of time between Storyteller and Cry Pretty, new label, etc. She'll be fine, and we know that; she's still the biggest female country artist right now and is a legend in the making. But that doesn't mean we can't comment on how things at radio seem to be changing for her. Yes, the song is doing fine...but the era as a whole has been quite different from what Carrie fans are used to. Storyteller wasn't that long ago, and she had 4 No. 1's with Smoke Break, Heartbeat, Church Bells and Dirty Laundry. Those songs are inferior to almost every song on Cry Pretty, yet they have outpeaked every song on Cry Pretty (with the lone exception of "Southbound") and climbed the chart faster than any song from Cry Pretty. I think it's absolutely fair to compare this album's radio success to her past albums, especially given how different things are for her on radio now. Again, she'll be fine...she has proven that she doesn't need radio to sell albums/concert tickets...but I think it's perfectly acceptable for us to discuss.
And in any event, what else are we going to talk about? :)
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Post by fearlessarrow on May 15, 2020 0:30:42 GMT -5
The "negativity" is no different from the way Carrie's threads always turn out. In other words, it's just fans freaking out every time she has an individual isolated day of lackluster airplay, and proceeding to freak out as if her career is ending. It's nothing we haven't seen before. She will be fine. She will make the top 10 with this song, and probably the top 5. For what it's worth "Drinking Alone" is already an official top 10 on Mediabase... so it's already made it in a sense! I know on Billboard it's still got ways to go since "I Hope" (and "Nobody But You") is falling really slowly as well as songs from behind threatening to pass her so that's a different story.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 0:36:18 GMT -5
As I continue to reiterate: I never said or implied that topics are ‘off-limits’ on this forum, nor was anyone “attacked.” I stated my opinion, which was that there has been a lot of negativity. Then I was told—rather firmly, might I add—that I’m wrong. But please don’t take my thoughtful responses so far out of context to assert that I’m insulting fellow posters just because you don’t agree with or find value in what I’m saying. To reiterate: I’m not attempting to police the thread; I tried to share my thoughts and was shut down. Let’s move on now.
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Post by lady𝓐fan on May 15, 2020 1:13:26 GMT -5
As I continue to reiterate: I never said or implied that topics are ‘off-limits’ on this forum, nor was anyone “attacked.” I stated my opinion, which was that there has been a lot of negativity. Then I was told—rather firmly, might I add—that I’m wrong. But please don’t take my thoughtful responses so far out of context to assert that I’m insulting fellow posters just because you don’t agree with or find value in what I’m saying. To reiterate: I’m not attempting to police the thread; I tried to share my thoughts and was shut down. Let’s move on now. See, this is my perspective: Out of nowhere, you made an inflammatory post deriding anyone who dares be anything less than 100% optimistic about this single’s performance. And now you’re trying to play victim and claim the moral high ground by saying you were “shut down” “rather firmly” when I was just pointing out the needlessly provocative language you used, and wanting to “move on” from the argument that you in essence started. What you were doing was not “sharing your thoughts”, it was pointing fingers. This discussion was all but done and I wouldn’t have commented on it further, but I felt the need to address this.
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Post by 14887fan on May 15, 2020 1:30:11 GMT -5
There isn't a more perfect time in her career than now for some fun projects before her next full-length studio album. The industry is becoming a singles-heavy game, so maybe release a few that wouldn't necessarily fit on a whole album (would also be helpful for her streaming numbers), a holiday album (make some proper videos, ship a song or two to multiple radio formats...pretty much just mimic Kelly Clarkson's Wrapped in Red era), some random duets with other artists like she usually does between eras ("Remind Me," "The Fighter," "Somethin' Bad," etc.)...
Not like she's touring any time soon, especially w/ what COVID is doing to the live music industry. Might as well take this opportunity to truly get creative and change up the pace, especially for the sake of her career. There's only so many times an artist can go around in the exact same circle before it starts to feel stale to the listener. And it's starting to get that way. Lead single, album drop, single #2, 1st half of tour, single #3, 2nd half of tour, single #4, [silence], random duet, [silence], rinse & repeat. (Side note but it continues to infuriate me to no end that she/her team continue to release exactly four singles from each album [and usually at least 2 of them are poor single choices, but that's an entirely separate can of worms], and nothing more, regardless of fan excitement. How is that helpful or representative of the project? Give it legs. Play On had legs. Blown Away had legs. Storyteller had legs. And had it not been for "Love Wins," this album would've had stronger legs than it has, too. A few of those could've/should've had at least one more single released from them.)
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 3:26:43 GMT -5
As I continue to reiterate: I never said or implied that topics are ‘off-limits’ on this forum, nor was anyone “attacked.” I stated my opinion, which was that there has been a lot of negativity. Then I was told—rather firmly, might I add—that I’m wrong. But please don’t take my thoughtful responses so far out of context to assert that I’m insulting fellow posters just because you don’t agree with or find value in what I’m saying. To reiterate: I’m not attempting to police the thread; I tried to share my thoughts and was shut down. Let’s move on now. See, this is my perspective: Out of nowhere, you made an inflammatory post deriding anyone who dares be anything less than 100% optimistic about this single’s performance. And now you’re trying to play victim and claim the moral high ground by saying you were “shut down” “rather firmly” when I was just pointing out the needlessly provocative language you used, and wanting to “move on” from the argument that you in essence started. What you were doing was not “sharing your thoughts”, it was pointing fingers. This discussion was all but done and I wouldn’t have commented on it further, but I felt the need to address this. Thank you for your thoughtful reply.
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Post by taylor on May 15, 2020 7:05:08 GMT -5
Whatever the case, I think we can all agree that stream "Drinking Alone" by Carrie Underwood
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