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Post by .indulgecountry on May 20, 2020 18:26:48 GMT -5
Country audiences eat up Christmas music and it's a pretty easy cash grab for her/the label, especially in a time when her ability to properly and effectively launch a new studio era is limited, so I say go for it. It would be really easy for her to slap together an Xmas record, and I think it would be well-received with minimal promotional effort. I really see it as a win-win, because the alternative is probably going to be like 9 months or more of Carrie not on the radio anyway since she takes her time between projects, so at the very least she could stay in people's minds with something over the holidays. Not everyone likes Xmas music & yeah, a lot of it ends up being covers of songs that have been done to death but I'd love if she could come up with a few originals. With the right Xmas song, she'd be able to tap at least 3 radio formats (Country, AC, Christian) to potentially great success, too. Obviously this is literally all speculation and for fun tossing ideas around, but I think it'd be better than nothing.
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Post by slowmo on May 20, 2020 18:37:44 GMT -5
If you do a Christmas album right, you have built in promo opportunities for years to come. If it isn't received as well as expected, it's only in the public's conscience for a couple months and the artist can move on to the next project relatively quickly. There's really no downside, imo.
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Post by carrieidol1 on May 20, 2020 19:20:17 GMT -5
Just to add, if there’s a voice in country music that can really impress people with songs they’ve already heard, it’s Carrie’s. OHN back in 2009 was glorious, I’d love to hear her vocal on that now having developed her voice so much since then.
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Post by musicfan134 on May 20, 2020 20:16:07 GMT -5
Christmas albums are dumb for the reasons noted in bold. Same songs get done over and over with a few originals on most of them. And they do nothing for an artists career. Try telling that to Mariah Carey, Michael Buble, and Kelly Clarkson. Their Christmas albums are probably the most successful albums any of them have put out in 10+ years. When done correctly, Christmas singles can become staple songs that are played for years to come, giving consistent radio exposure year after year. Christmas albums can be consistent sellers that a) are relatively easy to record/produce and b) typically sell large amounts in a very short amount of time, often year after year. I wouldn't want her to throw a Christmas album out there just to see what happens, but she COULD make it big and have an AIWFCIY moment if she wanted to. And who's to say she can't have more than one?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 21:11:22 GMT -5
This is such an interesting conversation because there’s substantial merit on both sides of the discussion. I haven’t seen a take that I vehemently disagree with, and think it largely comes down to personal preference regarding the efficacy of contemporary Christmas projects as a whole. There’s no single way to traverse the topic because the interpretations are so varied. I’m strangely proud of all of us for engaging in such a well-rounded dialogue thus far.
We can continue to theorize about what may or may not occur and the pros and cons of either outcome, but I really think this is a ‘time will tell’ kind of deal. Due to the variables surrounding Christmas releases as a whole (some being more well-received than others, over-saturation in covers, etc) we don’t have a lot to go on in terms of predicting such a project’s success. It could shift units, and it could not. It’s really a toss-up without having any material to work off of.
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Post by pnobelysk on May 21, 2020 19:02:01 GMT -5
Disagree. For one example, i think many people know who Carrie Underwood is and that she’s very talented but haven’t listened to her music outside of Before he cheats. I think a Christmas album would give her broader appeal and maybe expose her to new fans that will now try her country records in the future What audience would this “broader appeal” be directed towards? People know Carrie Underwood, her music, and overall profile as an artist. She’s appeared at the beginning of every Sunday Night Football airing since 2012; that alone is unparalleled, far-reaching, and consistent exposure most artists could only pray to have. I don’t think a Christmas album, of all things, is going to boost her brand recognition or expose her to a more diverse demographic with whom she isn’t already acquainted. I live in south jersey in a town/area where country music isn’t too popular. All my friends growing up knew before he cheats and maybe a couple other songs here and there from Carrie. I think her name recognition is stellar country wide, but different parts of the country probably have different levels of investment in her career. I’m a huge music follower, however when it comes to country, Carrie and early Taylor are the only two artists I’ve put a lot of time listening to. Country music certainly wasn’t discussed as much as pop, rock, hip hop, or punk music in my area growing up. If she could nab herself an underneath the tree kind of success I truly think it could really help remind the non country fans of her talent Edit: I also work with kids, and If I mentioned a current pop artist to them I the vast majority would know who I’m talking about, if I were to mention a country hitmaker I would be greeted with blank stares
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Post by raylatch98 on May 22, 2020 10:30:26 GMT -5
I am curious how much higher the label is going to be able to get this up the chart and how much radio is going to comply. Because "Drinking Alone" now has the highest negative rate and the Fav rating continues to steadily decline (was at 23.9 three weeks ago, and is now at 16.9) on the callout scores. The gains this week though are not bad as Carrie Underwood has gained 175 spins and 635k in audience since Sunday.
"Drinking Alone" looks to finish anywhere from #9 to #12 on Mediabase this week depending on how things shake out this week with the latest singles from Miranda Lambert, LoCash, and Keith Urban, as for Billboard I imagine she is probably going to be at #12 (no one going recurrent above her and Miranda Lambert looking likely to pass). Very interested to see how the tail end of this songs chart run goes (realistically I think Carrie Underwood should last at least a month longer).
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Post by lady𝓐fan on May 24, 2020 16:52:50 GMT -5
Now that “Bluebird” made the pass, I don’t see any immediate threats behind “Drinking Alone”. “One Margarita” is approaching Carrie’s audience numbers but is still 700 spins behind. She’s still posting steady (albeit low) gains each week so radio isn’t completely done with it, so hopefully a push week is feasible down the line. 🤞
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 21:06:37 GMT -5
Back in the Mediabase Top 10.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on May 24, 2020 22:53:40 GMT -5
I am curious how much higher the label is going to be able to get this up the chart and how much radio is going to comply. Because "Drinking Alone" now has the highest negative rate and the Fav rating continues to steadily decline (was at 23.9 three weeks ago, and is now at 16.9) on the callout scores. The gains this week though are not bad as Carrie Underwood has gained 175 spins and 635k in audience since Sunday. "Drinking Alone" looks to finish anywhere from #9 to #12 on Mediabase this week depending on how things shake out this week with the latest singles from Miranda Lambert, LoCash, and Keith Urban, as for Billboard I imagine she is probably going to be at #12 (no one going recurrent above her and Miranda Lambert looking likely to pass). Very interested to see how the tail end of this songs chart run goes (realistically I think Carrie Underwood should last at least a month longer). I would imagine that a top 10 on billboard is the goal here. I’m also thinking that Capitol is trying to make this song last as long as possible since there will likely not be a 5th single and any new material from CU7 is likely months or years away. Maybe they’re trying to let the top 10 clear out a little and then they will go for max spins.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 7:53:55 GMT -5
I don’t understand why Carrie’s management continues to shy away from releasing a fifth single. “End Up With You” is fun, upbeat, and would do well through the summer months with minimal promotion on Carrie’s part (especially since late-night television appearances and the like can be filmed from home due to COVID-19).
Sometimes if feels as though they act as if they’re out of options when, in fact, there are songs begging to see the light of day. What is to gain by not continuing to ride the momentum of “Drinking Alone?” If it’s not testing well with listeners, a fresh single with an entirely different sound may gain favor. Not to mention that “End Up With You” boasted the best streaming figures of the instant grat tracks back in 2018.
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Post by bboat11 on May 25, 2020 17:07:17 GMT -5
I we don't get an new album until 2021 might as well send another single off the current album. I think that may do more harm than good. Listeners have already kind of signaled that they’re done with the current material.I don’t understand why Carrie’s management continues to shy away from releasing a fifth single. “End Up With You” is fun, upbeat, and would do well through the summer months with minimal promotion on Carrie’s part (especially since late-night television appearances and the like can be filmed from home due to COVID-19). Sometimes if feels as though they act as if they’re out of options when, in fact, there are songs begging to see the light of day. What is to gain by not continuing to ride the momentum of “Drinking Alone?” If it’s not testing well with listeners, a fresh single with an entirely different sound may gain favor. Not to mention that “End Up With You” boasted the best streaming figures of the instant grat tracks back in 2018. Gurl... Let me guess, next week you'll be saying a full Christmas album is all you've ever wanted from her! 😂
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 25, 2020 17:33:46 GMT -5
Carrie opted to not go for a fifth single on her last three projects when she was on a roll and the high momentum would've carried another single up the charts with relative ease. A fifth single this time around would be the opposite: even a radio-friendly choice would just be another slog up the charts, and she'd gain nothing from that. Ideally she'd have new music ready to go by this fall, but since that's unlikely, I think that's why the Xmas side project sounded like a good idea. She needs something to fill the inevitable gap, but another single from Cry Pretty is not a good way to do it.
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Post by musicfan134 on May 25, 2020 18:11:41 GMT -5
Yeah...no. I don't think a fifth single is the way to go. I'll continue to beat the dead horse and say a Christmas album is my thought for where she should go from here, but even that duet coming up might be a better option than a fifth single.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 19:04:54 GMT -5
I think that may do more harm than good. Listeners have already kind of signaled that they’re done with the current material. I don’t understand why Carrie’s management continues to shy away from releasing a fifth single. “End Up With You” is fun, upbeat, and would do well through the summer months with minimal promotion on Carrie’s part (especially since late-night television appearances and the like can be filmed from home due to COVID-19). Sometimes if feels as though they act as if they’re out of options when, in fact, there are songs begging to see the light of day. What is to gain by not continuing to ride the momentum of “Drinking Alone?” If it’s not testing well with listeners, a fresh single with an entirely different sound may gain favor. Not to mention that “End Up With You” boasted the best streaming figures of the instant grat tracks back in 2018. Gurl... Let me guess, next week you'll be saying a full Christmas album is all you've ever wanted from her! 😂 Well, I am allowed to change course regarding my thoughts on her projects without anyone keeping score. But I admire the effort you put into mocking me by sorting through different pages in the thread to quote previous statements. Glad to know my comments resonate. 😉
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Post by raylatch98 on May 25, 2020 19:08:18 GMT -5
Gurl... Let me guess, next week you'll be saying a full Christmas album is all you've ever wanted from her! 😂 Well, I am allowed to change course regarding my thoughts on her projects without anyone keeping score. But I admire the effort you put into mocking me by sorting through different pages in the thread to quote previous statements. Glad to know my comments resonate. 😉 I can't speak for bboat11 but I don't think his intention was to mock you, just joking around a bit.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 19:13:17 GMT -5
Well, I am allowed to change course regarding my thoughts on her projects without anyone keeping score. But I admire the effort you put into mocking me by sorting through different pages in the thread to quote previous statements. Glad to know my comments resonate. 😉 I can't speak for bboat11 but I don't think his intention was to mock you, just joking around a bit. I’m just here to discuss music, not be singled out for every other comment. This community is such a cool concept but becomes significantly less so when you’re afraid to check your notifications because the only time anyone reacts to a statement is to tell you how wrong you are. I just want to contribute in peace.
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Post by matty005 on May 25, 2020 19:19:27 GMT -5
I can't speak for bboat11 but I don't think his intention was to mock you, just joking around a bit. I’m just here to discuss music, not be singled out for every other comment. This community is such a cool concept but becomes significantly less so when you’re afraid to check your notifications because the only time anyone reacts to a statement is to tell you how wrong you are. I just want to contribute in peace. Telling people how wrong they are? In both posts quoted, you are either telling other posters they’re wrong for wanting a 5th single and then saying her label is wrong for never releasing a 5th single (isn’t she on a new label for this album anyway?). With that said, I think it’s very commendable of you that you’re able to change your opinion. Not many people in the internet world do that! But maybe bring that up. “After thinking it over I think what others are saying about a 5th single may be right...”
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 19:26:16 GMT -5
I’m just here to discuss music, not be singled out for every other comment. This community is such a cool concept but becomes significantly less so when you’re afraid to check your notifications because the only time anyone reacts to a statement is to tell you how wrong you are. I just want to contribute in peace. Telling people how wrong they are? In both posts quoted, you are either telling other posters they’re wrong for wanting a 5th single and then saying her label is wrong for never releasing a 5th single (isn’t she on a new label for this album anyway?). With that said, I think it’s very commendable of you that you’re able to change your opinion. Not many people in the internet world do that! But maybe bring that up. “After thinking it over I think what others are saying about a 5th single may be right...” I wasn’t telling anyone they were wrong, but contributing thoughts. Contributing to a conversation with a different take isn’t adversarial. Please, if you don’t appreciate my thoughts, move on. I don’t understand why others can disagree and not be ganged up on but I’m somehow the person who is called out for having any opinion whatsoever. ETA: I used the term “management” rather than ‘label’ because she is on a new label now, but works directly with a couple of the same people. So, not a complete dunce.
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Post by lady𝓐fan on May 25, 2020 19:46:28 GMT -5
Telling people how wrong they are? In both posts quoted, you are either telling other posters they’re wrong for wanting a 5th single and then saying her label is wrong for never releasing a 5th single (isn’t she on a new label for this album anyway?). With that said, I think it’s very commendable of you that you’re able to change your opinion. Not many people in the internet world do that! But maybe bring that up. “After thinking it over I think what others are saying about a 5th single may be right...” I don’t understand why others can disagree and not be ganged up on but I’m somehow the person who is called out for having any opinion whatsoever. It's "somehow" you because of this: You are not a moderator. Everyone is allowed to share their viewpoints and crack the occasional joke. It's really not that deep.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 19:48:25 GMT -5
You all win: I will go back to lurking and allow you all to continue your discourse.
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Post by Crimsonio on May 25, 2020 19:54:27 GMT -5
What in the world happened to this thread...
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Post by gardyfan on May 25, 2020 20:42:04 GMT -5
None of this drama would have happened if they would have released "Backsliding" instead.....
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Post by taylor on May 25, 2020 22:42:22 GMT -5
Anyways celebrate 15 years of Carrie Underwood by streaming "Drinking Alone" and pray for that BB #1 (and a Mediabase too while we're at it)!
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Post by bboat11 on May 25, 2020 23:24:10 GMT -5
Gurl... Let me guess, next week you'll be saying a full Christmas album is all you've ever wanted from her! 😂 Well, I am allowed to change course regarding my thoughts on her projects without anyone keeping score. But I admire the effort you put into mocking me by sorting through different pages in the thread to quote previous statements. Glad to know my comments resonate. 😉 Of course you're allowed to change opinions, but we are also allowed to question you when you express opinions that could not possibly more opposite from each other all within like a week of each other. Either way, I was not being critical of your posts, I was just shedding light on a humorous situation. But I admire the effort that you put in to playing a victim and immediately becoming adversarial rather than just acknowledging that it was indeed pretty funny to see such a rapid shifting of opinion in such a short span of time Anybody who pays any attention at all to my posting history knows that I am not here to make problems. If you're this offended by your opinions merely being noticed, then it's no wonder you can never engage in dialog without feeling victimized... Anyway, I'm sorry y'all for accidentally derailing the thread by trying to engage in discussion about people's musical opinions on this musical discussion board. It won't happen again!
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on May 25, 2020 23:54:37 GMT -5
None of this drama would have happened if they would have released "Backsliding" instead..... A Carrie thread without the drama? That would be a first lol
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on May 26, 2020 6:46:37 GMT -5
Ok back on topic we’ve been doing so so good lately let’s keep it that way! Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 7:14:28 GMT -5
Well, I am allowed to change course regarding my thoughts on her projects without anyone keeping score. But I admire the effort you put into mocking me by sorting through different pages in the thread to quote previous statements. Glad to know my comments resonate. 😉 Of course you're allowed to change opinions, but we are also allowed to question you when you express opinions that could not possibly more opposite from each other all within like a week of each other. Either way, I was not being critical of your posts, I was just shedding light on a humorous situation. But I admire the effort that you put in to playing a victim and immediately becoming adversarial rather than just acknowledging that it was indeed pretty funny to see such a rapid shifting of opinion in such a short span of time Anybody who pays any attention at all to my posting history knows that I am not here to make problems. If you're this offended by your opinions merely being noticed, then it's no wonder you can never engage in dialog without feeling victimized... Anyway, I'm sorry y'all for accidentally derailing the thread by trying to engage in discussion about people's musical opinions on this musical discussion board. It won't happen again! Now that I’m not so hot under the collar, I can explain where my logical flow led. I should have prefaced the offending post as just a mere observation. We’re all well-aware that there won’t be a fifth single, but we’re also heading into a period of time in which Carrie will be absent from radio following a single that did not meet expectations (depending on how you look at it), so that makes this situation a bit different than previous album cycles in which all singles were high-achieving. So the question becomes: Give up on the project or send a fifth single? I do think the album is rightfully done—but that’s not to say that the four-single album cycle is a winning formula every time, hence why I mentioned Carrie’s team shying away from such all but once. While listeners haven’t connected well with the Cry Pretty radio singles, “End Up With You” was a successful instant grat track. I believe the question lies in the hypothetical: Would a fifth single help or hurt Carrie’s current overall relationship with radio, or further weaken an already shaky foundation for the album and its steaming potential? While there are subtle rumors of a new song, there’s nothing to currently suggest that it’s a project meant for country radio or anything more than something Carrie is tangentially attached to. My opinion didn’t exactly shift; I provided additional insight from my own mind’s eye. But even if it had, we shouldn’t be beholden to maintaining one stance and dismiss an evolving perspective. Opinions on a message board are not akin to a political voting record in which any deviations or contradictions are open to severe scrutinization. I do not appreciate, however, being continually singled out for ‘problematic’ statements when I think my posts are concise and well-articulated. To be transparent, I very much felt attacked and humiliated, and everyone seemed to double-down on that stance. I’ll be even more transparent in admitting that I lurked this forum for quite awhile because I am very trepidatious about sharing and defending opinions outside of an academic setting (English Literature and Creative Writing is my continued course of study as I prepare to enter an MFA program and where I’m most comfortable in expressing myself). I’m not a big ‘sharer,’ if that makes sense. But I took the leap here and am disheartened by how the experience has transpired. Discussing music and A&R-related endeavors is a huge area of interest for me, but my friends can only engage so much because they don’t share the same basis of knowledge. I would really like to contribute here without hostility from any angle (including my own). I’m no angel, but I try to provide thoughtful comments to perpetuate the conversation. If this isn’t the place for me—which can only be decided by my peers, as you all are the ones of the receiving end of these ideas—then I’ll find another place to share my personal insights. You call it “play[ing] the victim,” and for me it’s being overwhelmed by being singled-out over even seemingly innocuous comments because my commentary is too weak. It feels like y’all just don’t like me and I don’t even know you.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 7:15:19 GMT -5
Ok back on topic we’ve been doing so so good lately let’s keep it that way! Thanks! Sorry, I had been writing that prior to you posting your comment. Will delete if you’d like.
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Post by Jaymiee on May 26, 2020 21:11:50 GMT -5
lol why is this thread always a mess when i come back here
Happy for top 10! Praying it goes #1 but at this rate Im not sure what is going on
I would say I would love a 5th single(EUWY most likely) but at the same time why drag this out its been 2 years (almost) I say release her duet like normal and come back strong with CU7 or a Christmas album!
I think a Carrie Christmas album would be huge! It could mix gospel classic Christmas songs with some originals and if they do it right it could chart every Christmas the rest of her career...Its always been a hole in her catalog that would sell like crazy and with no concerts for however long this would be the perfect project to fill the gap till CU7!
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