Billboard Hot 100: 11/30/2019

[Au$tin]

Nov 17, 2019 16:30:40 GMT -5 iggyamo said:

Nov 17, 2019 13:57:32 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Khalid's new track seems to be a big flop. Is it promoted as a single?

I believe so, but it may be retaliation to Talk being one of the most annoyingly overplayed songs in recent memory, I don’t know a single person who can stand that song any more.

Get outside your bubble then.

[Choco]

The two singles post "Talk" are a bore. I'd say that has a lot to do with the cold reception.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Lil Nas X is not a OHW, regardless of "cultural impact and perception". This isn't a PSY situation where he got another Top 10 hit for Gentleman because people remembered Gangnam Style, Panini is one of the biggest songs of the year. It's the same case with Vanilla Ice, Marky Mark, Carly Rae Jepsen, MC Hammer, and every other act sloppily thrown the One Hit Wonder category despite having other hits stateside.

One hit means ONE HIT.

[jenglisbe]

Nov 17, 2019 13:39:20 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

When will chart watchers realize that OHW status is more about perception and cultural impact NOT actual chart performance.

When will some people realize there are multiple ways to view the same thing? For some people, one hit wonder is a technical matter related to the charts. That's a valid view, even if others are valid as well.

Nov 17, 2019 15:22:11 GMT -5 moonlite said:

That Mariah example also doesn’t make sense because 1. I may be wrong, but I don’t think there was any one particular song early in her career that she was known for much more than any other. And 2. People who are known as one hit wonders dont typically have 28 top 10s over 20+ some years....

The point about the Mariah example was to say that just because not all of her hits are remembered, it doesn't mean she didn't have 28 top 10s.

[Au$tin]

Nov 17, 2019 21:10:26 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Lil Nas X is not a OHW, regardless of "cultural impact and perception". This isn't a PSY situation where he got another Top 10 hit for Gentleman because people remembered Gangnam Style, Panini is one of the biggest songs of the year. It's the same case with Vanilla Ice, Marky Mark, Carly Rae Jepsen, MC Hammer, and every other act sloppily thrown the One Hit Wonder category despite having other hits stateside.

One hit means ONE HIT.

Wait, so are you calling Psy a one hit wonder even though you admitted to him having two hits and shaming anyone who does the same for Lil Nas X?

[kierz7]

Lil Nas X is a “One Hit Wonder” and it’s that simple.

The fact that certain users think he’s going to have a lucrative Hip-Hop/Pop career with longevity is hilarious. He’ll be lucky to see half the success that Flo Rida and Pitbull did at their peaks.

Soulja Boy and Fetty Wap both had a mere handful of minor hits following their biggest (Soulja Boy had: “Kiss Me Thru The Phone, Turn My Swag On” etc. & Fetty Wap had: “679, My Way”) but still are mostly known for “Crank That...” and “Trap Queen” in every capacity.

“Old Town Road” was a commercial and cultural behemoth, but so was “Can’t Touch This” and “Ice Ice Baby”, and it ends there.

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[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

Nov 17, 2019 21:14:33 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Nov 17, 2019 13:39:20 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

When will chart watchers realize that OHW status is more about perception and cultural impact NOT actual chart performance.

When will some people realize there are multiple ways to view the same thing? For some people, one hit wonder is a technical matter related to the charts. That's a valid view, even if others are valid as well.

Because some things have actual predominant definitions. If you’re someone who’s wringing necks over whether or not Lil Nas X is a OHW because of Panini, by your logic they’re also subscribing to a belief that there’s only one valid, working definition of a OHW.

At the end of the day, either definition you use is subjective. There’s no objective, technical definition of what constitutes a hit. Sure, there may be a worthy conversation or discussion that could be had, but it mostly revolves into people shouting about how X isn’t a 1 hit wonder because they had a second hit that peaked at 87 on the Hot 100.

There’s a more nuanced discussion that can and should be had, but I guarantee you I’ve never seen it take place on this board.

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I think the big question is if lorde is consider a OHW or was team big enough

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Nov 17, 2019 22:03:49 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

Lil Nas X is a “One Hit Wonder” and it’s that simple.

The fact that certain users think he’s going to have a lucrative Hip-Hop/Pop career with longevity is hilarious. He’ll be lucky to see half the success that Flo Rida and Pitbull did at their peaks.

Soulja Boy and Fetty Wap both had a mere handful of minor hits following their biggest (Soulja Boy had: “Kiss Me Thru The Phone, Turn My Swag On” etc. & Fetty Wap had: “679, My Way”) but still are mostly known for “Crank That...” and “Trap Queen” in every capacity.

“Old Town Road” was a commercial and cultural behemoth, but so was “Can’t Touch This” and “Ice Ice Baby”, and it ends there.

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You're psycho if you think people don't remember Kiss Me Thru The Phone

[lurker2]

Nov 17, 2019 22:11:54 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

Nov 17, 2019 21:14:33 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

When will some people realize there are multiple ways to view the same thing? For some people, one hit wonder is a technical matter related to the charts. That's a valid view, even if others are valid as well.

Because some things have actual predominant definitions. If you’re someone who’s wringing necks over whether or not Lil Nas X is a OHW because of Panini, by your logic they’re also subscribing to a belief that there’s only one valid, working definition of a OHW.

At the end of the day, either definition you use is subjective. There’s no objective, technical definition of what constitutes a hit. Sure, there may be a worthy conversation or discussion that could be had, but it mostly revolves into people shouting about how X isn’t a 1 hit wonder because they had a second hit that peaked at 87 on the Hot 100.

There’s a more nuanced discussion that can and should be had, but I guarantee you I’ve never seen it take place on this board.

I wouldn’t call Pitbull or Flo Rida OHWs. Timber was his biggest but I can remember a bunch of other Pitbull stuff (if not by name), and I distinctly remember Whistle.

[gabe]

Nov 17, 2019 22:14:53 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

I think the big question is if lorde is consider a OHW or was team big enough

#6 hot 100, #2 pop, #2 rock, #2 alt, #7 rhythmic, #18 year end.. i think it was big enough

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

It’s a conversation that can get very granular because regardless of which definition you employ, there’s quite a deal of subjectivity. For example, the person who mentioned Rick Astley before. In the opposite direction, what defines a hit? Are we only citing the Billboard Hot 100 or any Billboard chart? What’s the word of god? How do we account for changes in Hot 100 methodology that may have resulted in “hit” songs not charting that would have otherwise post-methodology change? Do we count hits on genre-specific charts or not if they didn’t chart on the Hot 100 (or not very high)? Are we only considering the US. The UK? Canada? France? Bolivia? WW? Minnesota? Los Angeles? I could go on further. There’s a great deal of subjectivity there.

The subjectivity of the cultural definition is clear, but that of a more prescriptivist take is less commonly discussed. There’s no clear etymology of the term in relation to music, so it’s hard to say what it’s creator fully intended to define. And while a term may have one intention, ultimately language’s users are who shape and continue to shape its meaning.

[kierz7]

Flo Rida is FAR from being a “One Hit Wonder” and could never be considered such in any way, shape or form.

He was a legitimate ‘Hot 100 Darling’ between 2008-2012, where he went on to score 10 top ten hits (he has 12 overall), including three number one singles.

Following “Low”, “Right Round” went on to break first-week Digital records (630K+ units moved) which wasn’t surpassed until Adele’s “Hello” in 2015.

“Low” may be his biggest hit overall, however “Right Round; Good Feeling; Wild Ones; Whistle; My House” are still very remembered (even if a little dated in sound) and are Club/Dance festival staples.

Moreover, he’s only second to Drake as the Rapper with the most number one hits of the 2010’s and he isn’t far off from Nicki Minaj’s overall top ten count which says a lot.

[jenglisbe]

Nov 17, 2019 22:11:54 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

Nov 17, 2019 21:14:33 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

When will some people realize there are multiple ways to view the same thing? For some people, one hit wonder is a technical matter related to the charts. That's a valid view, even if others are valid as well.

Because some things have actual predominant definitions. If you’re someone who’s wringing necks over whether or not Lil Nas X is a OHW because of Panini, by your logic they’re also subscribing to a belief that there’s only one valid, working definition of a OHW.

At the end of the day, either definition you use is subjective. There’s no objective, technical definition of what constitutes a hit. Sure, there may be a worthy conversation or discussion that could be had, but it mostly revolves into people shouting about how X isn’t a 1 hit wonder because they had a second hit that peaked at 87 on the Hot 100.

There’s a more nuanced discussion that can and should be had, but I guarantee you I’ve never seen it take place on this board.

Ha well I don't know about this, but in this current discussion people have been discussing artists like Marky Mark, Vanilla Ice, Lil Nas X who all had multiple top 10 hits.

Nov 17, 2019 22:25:09 GMT -5 gabe said:

Nov 17, 2019 22:14:53 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

I think the big question is if lorde is consider a OHW or was team big enough

#6 hot 100, #2 pop, #2 rock, #2 alt, #7 rhythmic, #18 year end.. i think it was big enough

On its own, yes, but some people are arguing that if a song isn't remembered it's not a hit. That's what, to them, makes someone like Marky Mark a OHW since his second top 10 isn't remembered. So, for Lorde, since "Royals" is remembered but "Team" is not, I guess she's a OHW for some. I find it odd.

To get back to the point @antigonerising was making, do some of y'all consider acts who had top 10 hits that aren't remembered to be no hit wonders?

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

It’s not that they’re not hits because they’re not remembered. It’s that one hit overshadowed the artist’s follow up hit(s). Whenever someone has a fairly limited number of hits in a short span, it’s the big hit that will overshadow the rest. Since the artist tends to not have sustained success, all that sticks with the general public is that huge hit.

To answer your question, they would be considered one hit wonders. Not no hit wonders.

I’m going to be honest and admit that I didn’t fully read all of the posts that preceded mine, so I’m not sure where the idea that a hit isn’t a hit if it isn’t remembered comes from. That’s not the case. I just think that’s a consequence of conflating a term that’s been prevalently used in a fairly subjective way to fit a quantifiable landscape. It’s a flawed premise.

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Nov 17, 2019 22:32:02 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Nov 17, 2019 22:11:54 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

Because some things have actual predominant definitions. If you’re someone who’s wringing necks over whether or not Lil Nas X is a OHW because of Panini, by your logic they’re also subscribing to a belief that there’s only one valid, working definition of a OHW.

At the end of the day, either definition you use is subjective. There’s no objective, technical definition of what constitutes a hit. Sure, there may be a worthy conversation or discussion that could be had, but it mostly revolves into people shouting about how X isn’t a 1 hit wonder because they had a second hit that peaked at 87 on the Hot 100.

There’s a more nuanced discussion that can and should be had, but I guarantee you I’ve never seen it take place on this board.

Ha well I don't know about this, but in this current discussion people have been discussing artists like Marky Mark, Vanilla Ice, Lil Nas X who all had multiple top 10 hits.

Nov 17, 2019 22:25:09 GMT -5 gabe said:

#6 hot 100, #2 pop, #2 rock, #2 alt, #7 rhythmic, #18 year end.. i think it was big enough

On its own, yes, but some people are arguing that if a song isn't remembered it's not a hit. That's what, to them, makes someone like Marky Mark a OHW since his second top 10 isn't remembered. So, for Lorde, since "Royals" is remembered but "Team" is not, I guess she's a OHW for some. I find it odd.

To get back to the point @antigonerising was making, do some of y'all consider acts who had top 10 hits that aren't remembered to be no hit wonders?

Is team not remembered ?

[sirskimask]

Lorde is not a OHW regardless because she's not someone who was forgotten about. Most people still know who Lorde is and she still has a large enough fanbase.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 17, 2019 21:10:26 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Lil Nas X is not a OHW, regardless of "cultural impact and perception". This isn't a PSY situation where he got another Top 10 hit for Gentleman because people remembered Gangnam Style, Panini is one of the biggest songs of the year. It's the same case with Vanilla Ice, Marky Mark, Carly Rae Jepsen, MC Hammer, and every other act sloppily thrown the One Hit Wonder category despite having other hits stateside.

One hit means ONE HIT.

No it doesn't.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 17, 2019 13:39:20 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

When will chart watchers realize that OHW status is more about perception and cultural impact NOT actual chart performance.

They won't because they lack the ability to see perception and can only rely on hard solid numbers. I chalk it up to not getting out enough or seeing the world beyond the own limited viewpoints.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

The term "one hit wonder" simply isn't meant to be taken literally. In essence, it's become a "genre" in and of itself that includes artists who are mainly known or remembered (in a collective sense) for one hit and nothing else. And in this case, "hit" would be defined as something that penetrated mainstream pop culture beyond a simple chart stat.

[Raccoon]

I think it comes down to this. I think Old Town Road is bigger than Lil Nas X. The artist has to be bigger than the song. Unfortunately the song was so big idk if he will be able to continue his success.

Cardi B is bigger than Bodak Yellow, for instance ?

[korbel16]

Gotye has entered the chat

[Abbaschand]

Everyone talking about one-hit wonders and they all forget the biggest one. Lindana with her song "I'm Lindana and I Wanna Have Fun".

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

Nov 18, 2019 1:17:06 GMT -5 Abbaschand said:

Everyone talking about one-hit wonders and they all forget the biggest one. Lindana with her song "I'm Lindana and I Wanna Have Fun".

Whatever happened to Lindana? Disappearing after releasing such a banger is unacceptable. She totally could’ve blown up.

[kierz7]

Nov 18, 2019 1:17:06 GMT -5 Abbaschand said:

Everyone talking about one-hit wonders and they all forget the biggest one. Lindana with her song "I'm Lindana and I Wanna Have Fun".

“I’m Lindana and I Wanna Have Fun” is a POP CLASSIC, and would’ve been a Digital SMASH-HIT if actually released.

The fact that I’ve been to several Gay clubs over the years where Twinks have actually requested it. 💅

[Abbaschand]

Nov 18, 2019 3:14:29 GMT -5 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 said:

Nov 18, 2019 1:17:06 GMT -5 Abbaschand said:

Everyone talking about one-hit wonders and they all forget the biggest one. Lindana with her song "I'm Lindana and I Wanna Have Fun".

Whatever happened to Lindana? Disappearing after releasing such a banger is unacceptable. She totally could’ve blown up.

I've heard she's having kids now. And apparently, their kids are also talented singers.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Nov 17, 2019 21:39:48 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Nov 17, 2019 21:10:26 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Lil Nas X is not a OHW, regardless of "cultural impact and perception". This isn't a PSY situation where he got another Top 10 hit for Gentleman because people remembered Gangnam Style, Panini is one of the biggest songs of the year. It's the same case with Vanilla Ice, Marky Mark, Carly Rae Jepsen, MC Hammer, and every other act sloppily thrown the One Hit Wonder category despite having other hits stateside.

One hit means ONE HIT.

Wait, so are you calling Psy a one hit wonder even though you admitted to him having two hits and shaming anyone who does the same for Lil Nas X?

Gentleman is a hit in the same way #SELFIE was a hit or even 'Earth' were "hits": viral for a few weeks but no actual staying power. It'd be like saying the 2010 We are the World remix was a hit, or Filthy or We Might Be Dead Tomorrow.

Panini is a hit. 20+ weeks on the charts, with 8+ weeks spent in the Top 10. And going back to Gentleman, it was barely on any year-end lists; wasn't on the UK or Canada or Australia, whereas Panini is expected to place in the top half of the year end list for 2019.

Cultural perception shouldn't be the be-all end-all for deciding OHW, otherwise bands like Third Eye Blind and The Goo Goo Dolls may be lazily labeled as such just because the public only remembers one song.

[Au$tin]

Nov 18, 2019 4:55:19 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Nov 17, 2019 21:39:48 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Wait, so are you calling Psy a one hit wonder even though you admitted to him having two hits and shaming anyone who does the same for Lil Nas X?

Gentleman is a hit in the same way #SELFIE was a hit or even 'Earth' were "hits": viral for a few weeks but no actual staying power. It'd be like saying the 2010 We are the World remix was a hit, or Filthy or We Might Be Dead Tomorrow.

Panini is a hit. 20+ weeks on the charts, with 8+ weeks spent in the Top 10. And going back to Gentleman, it was barely on any year-end lists; wasn't on the UK or Canada or Australia, whereas Panini is expected to place in the top half of the year end list for 2019.

Cultural perception shouldn't be the be-all end-all for deciding OHW, otherwise bands like Third Eye Blind and The Goo Goo Dolls may be lazily labeled as such just because the public only remembers one song.

That's a long winded post to say "yes." Because, you see, what I'm getting from this post is "I decide what a hit is, and I arbitrarily assign it to songs I think deserve it and the public perception doesn't at all factor in to me because I live in a bubble and refuse to leave it and accept other people perceive music differently." If you have to scream chart stats at a random person to convince them a song they've never heard, never experienced, and that has had zero impact on their life, then clearly the charts aren't relevant to the discussion and you fundamentally miss what BOTH the term and what a chart implies. We really need to stop putting so much damn weight on them. Charts can and only ever will be snapshots of songs in relation to each other in an arbitrary length of time. It doesn't matter if a song was a multi week #1 hit in November 1982 if it wouldn't even register inside the top 10000 most notable songs right now. Because the culture we live in right now is different than it was then. Things change. Songs are forgotten. Songs come back into public consciousness. Pop culture is fickle. "Hit" does not and will not ever refer to an exact chart stat. It does and always will refer to how the public perceives a song. You could grab 100 random people off the street and they will all list a different set of songs they think are popular and I guarantee several of those won't even be charting right now or have ever reached a certain criteria to be defined as "hit" by you or I. Why is this such a hard concept for y'all to grasp? I know charts are fun, exciting, concrete, but reality is abstract. It's not as simple as that. Do you know how many people don't even know who Billie Eilish is? That Lil Nas X is a person and not an energy drink? We're chart watcher and music lovers. We're analytical and see things unfold in the industry. Your average person is not these things. Your average person is only going to remember the songs they've managed to hear and like enough to not forget it once the airwaves and streaming playlists drop it or the songs that they hated so much they left their mark. Songs that make impact on their life in deep ways. That could be "Old Town Road" or it could be the latest Korn single that never hits the Hot 100. And only time will tell what songs remain collectively remembered, the "hits," and what songs have been lost to time.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Nov 18, 2019 6:50:16 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Nov 18, 2019 4:55:19 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Gentleman is a hit in the same way #SELFIE was a hit or even 'Earth' were "hits": viral for a few weeks but no actual staying power. It'd be like saying the 2010 We are the World remix was a hit, or Filthy or We Might Be Dead Tomorrow.

Cultural perception shouldn't be the be-all end-all for deciding OHW, otherwise bands like Third Eye Blind and The Goo Goo Dolls may be lazily labeled as such just because the public only remembers one song.

That's a long winded post to say "yes." Because, you see, what I'm getting from this post is "I decide what a hit is, and I arbitrarily assign it to songs I think deserve it and the public perception doesn't at all factor in to me because I live in a bubble and refuse to leave it and accept other people perceive music differently."

That's not what I'm saying. I never said public perception should be disregarded entirely; I clearly said it "shouldn't be the be-all, end-all". Public perception clearly plays a part, otherwise bands like The Killers or Nirvana could be labeled as one-hit wonders.

But by labelling the artist who started this whole debate, Lil Nas X, as a one-hit wonder, it's dismissing the success he's having right now. When people think OHW, they tend to think artists with fluke hits or artists who were never heard off again but that's not the case with him, we're hearing from him and if pushed right, we could still be hearing from him a few months from now. Yeah, Old Town Road might eclipse him but a song eclipsing an artist, that can happen to any artist regardless of successful they are.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 18, 2019 4:55:19 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Cultural perception shouldn't be the be-all end-all for deciding OHW, otherwise bands like Third Eye Blind and The Goo Goo Dolls may be lazily labeled as such just because the public only remembers one song.

Except in those cases, even if they don’t remember their string of hits, they’re still remembered as having multiple hits.