Billboard Hot 100: 12/14/2019

[Enigma.]

Heartless #1 on Spotify but with only 1.45M. Roxanne might overtake it tomorrow.

These are the top 3 losers compared to the day before, pretty harsh stat for The Weeknd:

The Weeknd - Heartless -191,275
The Weeknd - Blinding Lights -190,269
Travis Scott - HIGHEST IN THE ROOM -47,436

[Choco]

Enough with the double single releases. It didn't work for Camila Cabello either.

As for Selena Gomez, it kinda worked but it was obvious from day one that LYTLM was the actual lead.

[thegreatdivine]

Dec 2, 2019 10:29:58 GMT -5 Choco said:

Enough with the double single releases. It didn't work for Camila Cabello either.

As for Selena Gomez, it kinda worked but it was obvious from day one that LYTLM was the actual lead.

I think double singles get released with both the artist and the label knowing fully well that only one of them will truly take off, especially in situations where one of the singles sounds catchy/radio friendly and the other doesn't. Sometimes, I think artists do it to give fans two different sounds/styles of their music/appeal to different parts of their fanbase and sometimes I think after a long time without releasing new music, artists are just so excited to share new music that they drop more than one single at a time.

It works to verifying degrees depending on the artist. Shape of You/Castle on the Hill were both top 10 hits that ended up performing really well commercially even though Shape of You ended up becoming the bigger hit. God's Plan/Di plomatic Immunity both debuted in the top 10 and Diplomatic Immunity would have perhaps performed better if it wasn't tailored as a song that wasn't at all catchy and radio wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole. God's Plan ended up becoming the hit for obvious reasons, but Drake still got a top 10 debut in Diplomatic Immunity. Sometimes, just that is worth it. And for artists like Cami,la who drop multiple songs off their album before the actual album release, music is funny. Artists make the songs, but they don't necessarily determine what fans gravitate towards and support and sometimes it takes 2/3/4 singles to score a song that fans are willing to get behind.

[violentdreams]

Dec 2, 2019 10:09:20 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Heartless #1 on Spotify but with only 1.45M. Roxanne might overtake it tomorrow.

These are the top 3 losers compared to the day before, pretty harsh stat for The Weeknd:

The Weeknd - Heartless -191,275
The Weeknd - Blinding Lights -190,269
Travis Scott - HIGHEST IN THE ROOM -47,436

Considering that only 35% of The Weeknd's inital streams came from Spotify, I doubt he's reeling over these numbers.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Dec 2, 2019 10:46:05 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

I think double singles get released with both the artist and the label knowing fully well that only one of them will truly take off, especially in situations where one of the singles sounds catchy/radio friendly and the other doesn't. Sometimes, I think artists do it to give fans two different sounds/styles of their music/appeal to different parts of their fanbase and sometimes I think after a long time without releasing new music, artists are just so excited to share new music that they drop more than one single at a time.

I doubt it’s ever a case of artist excitement and is purely in the marketing.

I do agree with you though that there are benefits to releasing two very different singles from a project at the same time. I think in Ed’s case, it was essentially for them to do so and get buy-in for Shape Of You, which was a very different sound for him at the same, by having something more in-line with his brand as an artist with Castle On The Hill. Double releases are something that mainly only invested fans would be interested in anyway and it’s important to keep them invested, particularly when an artist changes up a sound. Even with The Weeknd’s two releases, one of the songs sounds super 80s and the other sounds more like his recent/older stuff. I bet the 80s flavoured one becomes the main single while the other track is to appease the fans.

[thegreatdivine]

[Enigma.]

"First official single"

Lights Up reached #3 in the UK and that wasn't "official single" then?

[thegreatdivine]

Dec 2, 2019 14:00:15 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

"First official single"

Lights Out reached #3 in the UK and that wasn't "official single" then?

Artists/labels decide what they regard as lead/promotional singles, regardless of their performance or reception.

[renfield75]

Dec 2, 2019 10:46:05 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Dec 2, 2019 10:29:58 GMT -5 Choco said:

Enough with the double single releases. It didn't work for Camila Cabello either.

As for Selena Gomez, it kinda worked but it was obvious from day one that LYTLM was the actual lead.

I think double singles get released with both the artist and the label knowing fully well that only one of them will truly take off, especially in situations where one of the singles sounds catchy/radio friendly and the other doesn't. Sometimes, I think artists do it to give fans two different sounds/styles of their music/appeal to different parts of their fanbase and sometimes I think after a long time without releasing new music, artists are just so excited to share new music that they drop more than one single at a time.

It works to verifying degrees depending on the artist. Shape of You/Castle on the Hill were both top 10 hits that ended up performing really well commercially even though Shape of You ended up becoming the bigger hit. God's Plan/Di plomatic Immunity both debuted in the top 10 and Diplomatic Immunity would have perhaps performed better if it wasn't tailored as a song that wasn't at all catchy and radio wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole. God's Plan ended up becoming the hit for obvious reasons, but Drake still got a top 10 debut in Diplomatic Immunity. Sometimes, just that is worth it. And for artists like Cami,la who drop multiple songs off their album before the actual album release, music is funny. Artists make the songs, but they don't necessarily determine what fans gravitate towards and support and sometimes it takes 2/3/4 singles to score a song that fans are willing to get behind.

The most successful example of dual singles was OutKast's "Hey Ya!'/"The Way You Move", with both of them topping the Hot 100 and becoming enduring hits in their own right. A big difference with that example though is that the songs were essentially André 3000/Big Boy solo singles and sounded like different artists on the radio (which was a bigger factor at the time).

[korbel16]

With the way AIWFCIY has increased in the last 3 days on Spotify .... (at number 6 now).... could it go top 10 this week???

[davidjl123]

Nov 30, 2019 23:52:11 GMT -5 crazyb said:

Does anyone else miss Billboard's top ten reveal livestreams?

They stopped doing the "early release" videos too since the week of Sicko Mode's #1

[Dadude#0839]

Dec 2, 2019 16:40:15 GMT -5 korbel16 said:

With the way AIWFCIY has increased in the last 3 days on Spotify .... (at number 6 now).... could it go top 10 this week???

Definitely. Probably in the 10-5 range though. Probable number 1 in 2-3 weeks, most likely the Christmas week. 🤞it goes number 1

[forg]

Dec 2, 2019 16:43:33 GMT -5 davidjl123 said:

Nov 30, 2019 23:52:11 GMT -5 crazyb said:

Does anyone else miss Billboard's top ten reveal livestreams?

They stopped doing the "early release" videos too since the week of Sicko Mode's #1

Probably because of YouTube's trickier copyright rules these days, Billboard probably had a lot of copyright strikes

[Normi]

I see both The Weeknd songs in the Top 5, sadly Heartless will be higher
AIWCIY and Dance Monkey should enter Top 10 (maybe even BOP)
Exciting week!

[HolidayGuy]

In the comparable week last year, "All I Want..." moved 14-7.

[korbel16]

Dec 2, 2019 19:36:52 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

In the comparable week last year, "All I Want..." moved 14-7.

i feel like a fair comparison would be the week of thanksgiving from last year vs the week of thanksgiving this year

[JukeboxJacob]

Dec 2, 2019 18:04:11 GMT -5 forg said:

Dec 2, 2019 16:43:33 GMT -5 davidjl123 said:

They stopped doing the "early release" videos too since the week of Sicko Mode's #1

Probably because of YouTube's trickier copyright rules these days, Billboard probably had a lot of copyright strikes

I thought at least Billboard would be above these laws smh

[HolidayGuy]

korbel- however one looks at, there are four weeks left of charting this year, just as there was last year at this point. :)

[forg]

Dec 2, 2019 19:46:41 GMT -5 JukeboxJacob said:

Dec 2, 2019 18:04:11 GMT -5 forg said:

Probably because of YouTube's trickier copyright rules these days, Billboard probably had a lot of copyright strikes

I thought at least Billboard would be above these laws smh

YouTube has become a major source of ad-revenue of not just ordinary vloggers but corporations too.

I remember, also late last year, I received an e-mail of a copyright strike because of a work-related AVP that I actually forgot I uploaded on YouTube nearly 10 years ago I just deleted it. I haven't really uploaded anything on my YouTube account in years but still got a random strike to an old post that didn't even get a hundred views so what more a music-based account like Billboard.

[pnobelysk]

Dec 2, 2019 3:01:13 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Apple Music:
37 (+22) Idina Menzel & AURORA - Into the Unknown

Wonder if this could go top 10 in a month or so. Maybe even higher if radio latches on.

Pop won’t touch this, they barley played Let it go.

It might go top 20 on hot ac with some luck

[felipe]

Dec 2, 2019 16:03:37 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Dec 2, 2019 10:46:05 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

I think double singles get released with both the artist and the label knowing fully well that only one of them will truly take off, especially in situations where one of the singles sounds catchy/radio friendly and the other doesn't. Sometimes, I think artists do it to give fans two different sounds/styles of their music/appeal to different parts of their fanbase and sometimes I think after a long time without releasing new music, artists are just so excited to share new music that they drop more than one single at a time.

It works to verifying degrees depending on the artist. Shape of You/Castle on the Hill were both top 10 hits that ended up performing really well commercially even though Shape of You ended up becoming the bigger hit. God's Plan/Di plomatic Immunity both debuted in the top 10 and Diplomatic Immunity would have perhaps performed better if it wasn't tailored as a song that wasn't at all catchy and radio wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole. God's Plan ended up becoming the hit for obvious reasons, but Drake still got a top 10 debut in Diplomatic Immunity. Sometimes, just that is worth it. And for artists like Cami,la who drop multiple songs off their album before the actual album release, music is funny. Artists make the songs, but they don't necessarily determine what fans gravitate towards and support and sometimes it takes 2/3/4 singles to score a song that fans are willing to get behind.

The most successful example of dual singles was OutKast's "Hey Ya!'/"The Way You Move", with both of them topping the Hot 100 and becoming enduring hits in their own right. A big difference with that example though is that the songs were essentially André 3000/Big Boy solo singles and sounded like different artists on the radio (which was a bigger factor at the time).

If I Were a Boy / Single Ladies is also a good example.

[jenglisbe]

Dec 2, 2019 16:03:37 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Dec 2, 2019 10:46:05 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

I think double singles get released with both the artist and the label knowing fully well that only one of them will truly take off, especially in situations where one of the singles sounds catchy/radio friendly and the other doesn't. Sometimes, I think artists do it to give fans two different sounds/styles of their music/appeal to different parts of their fanbase and sometimes I think after a long time without releasing new music, artists are just so excited to share new music that they drop more than one single at a time.

It works to verifying degrees depending on the artist. Shape of You/Castle on the Hill were both top 10 hits that ended up performing really well commercially even though Shape of You ended up becoming the bigger hit. God's Plan/Di plomatic Immunity both debuted in the top 10 and Diplomatic Immunity would have perhaps performed better if it wasn't tailored as a song that wasn't at all catchy and radio wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole. God's Plan ended up becoming the hit for obvious reasons, but Drake still got a top 10 debut in Diplomatic Immunity. Sometimes, just that is worth it. And for artists like Cami,la who drop multiple songs off their album before the actual album release, music is funny. Artists make the songs, but they don't necessarily determine what fans gravitate towards and support and sometimes it takes 2/3/4 singles to score a song that fans are willing to get behind.

The most successful example of dual singles was OutKast's "Hey Ya!'/"The Way You Move", with both of them topping the Hot 100 and becoming enduring hits in their own right. A big difference with that example though is that the songs were essentially André 3000/Big Boy solo singles and sounded like different artists on the radio (which was a bigger factor at the time).

How far apart were "Only Girl..." and "What's My Name?" That was a funny situation where the second single hit #1 before the lead single, but regardless they were clearly charting and peaking close together. I think I'd consider them dual singles.

[moonlite]

Dec 2, 2019 20:13:15 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Dec 2, 2019 16:03:37 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

The most successful example of dual singles was OutKast's "Hey Ya!'/"The Way You Move", with both of them topping the Hot 100 and becoming enduring hits in their own right. A big difference with that example though is that the songs were essentially André 3000/Big Boy solo singles and sounded like different artists on the radio (which was a bigger factor at the time).

How far apart were "Only Girl..." and "What's My Name?" That was a funny situation where the second single hit #1 before the lead single, but regardless they were clearly charting and peaking close together. I think I'd consider them dual singles.

Whats My Name came out over a month after Only Girl, so I wouldn't consider those two as dual singles

[forg]

I think the problem with Camilla's release this time is that she did those double release of songs twice in a span of a month and now nothing has caught on. I think they should have focused with Liar, it had potential.

Well at least there's Señorita to at least keep the SPS of her album solid.

[jenglisbe]

Dec 2, 2019 20:37:05 GMT -5 moonlite said:

Dec 2, 2019 20:13:15 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

How far apart were "Only Girl..." and "What's My Name?" That was a funny situation where the second single hit #1 before the lead single, but regardless they were clearly charting and peaking close together. I think I'd consider them dual singles.

Whats My Name came out over a month after Only Girl, so I wouldn't consider those two as dual singles

They hit #1 on the Hot 100 with only 1 week in between them. How were they not competing/dual?

[lostinhavana]

looks like Ophelia by the lumineers out of all songs blew up on Tik Tok it’s already 10 on Apple Musics Alternative chart

[sirskimask]

Dec 2, 2019 21:35:12 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Dec 2, 2019 20:37:05 GMT -5 moonlite said:

Whats My Name came out over a month after Only Girl, so I wouldn't consider those two as dual singles

They hit #1 on the Hot 100 with only 1 week in between them. How were they not competing/dual?

There's a difference between singles peaking around the same time versus being released simultaneously 

[jenglisbe]

Dec 2, 2019 22:05:29 GMT -5 sirskimask said:

Dec 2, 2019 21:35:12 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

They hit #1 on the Hot 100 with only 1 week in between them. How were they not competing/dual?

There's a difference between singles peaking around the same time versus being released simultaneously 

In a technical sense, sure, but wasn't the discussion about the potential of one song overshadowing another if there are dual singles charting? Songs peaking at the same time is certainly relevant to that conversation, regardless of release date. The point is there are multiple examples of an artist having multiple singles getting solid airplay and sales (and now streams) at the same time.

[dovahduck]

The Weeknd dropped a vertical lyric video for "Heartless": youtu.be/KbWjNgPJRA0

[lurker2]

Dec 2, 2019 22:21:34 GMT -5 dovahduck said:

The Weeknd dropped a vertical lyric video for "Heartless": youtu.be/KbWjNgPJRA0

Abel’s coming for that #1. I’ve finally come around to him getting it (and am really excited!)