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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 16, 2019 22:34:49 GMT -5
She did. Though they undermined it a little in the article by mentioning all sorts of covers, remakes or samples that hit #1, like "La Bamba", "Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me", or even fricking "7 Rings".you know it's iconic when it still gets them bitches talking!! If 7 rings is iconic less than a year later, La Bamba must be an icon monster |
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Post by cking33 on Dec 16, 2019 22:37:19 GMT -5
congrats Mariah!! this is fun to see and AIWFCIY is easily one of the most iconic songs of all time. that said, i never want to see this happen again. if rules aren't put into place, there's nothing preventing this from happening each and every year with AIWFCIY eventually seeing an insane weeks at #1 record purely via re-entering every year. i also don't like what it does to the rest of the charts, essentially serving as a multiple week, high impact album bomb. for a few weeks, the only thing that matters is assorted 50+ year old holiday staples, which is a fundamental failure for a chart focused on what's new and hot. Billboard should 100% (and likely will) set a rule against this in the next couple years imo. Personally Iβm torn on it. I see peopleβs points but I kind of like the shake up it brings the charts. In the streaming era, the Hot 100 can be so static. How often are songs locked into their positions at the upper rungs of the chart for weeks on end with very little movement? I like the variety this brings the chart and itβs fun when you have Brenda Lee and Post Malone fighting for chart spots! |
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Post by tallen2001 on Dec 16, 2019 22:38:28 GMT -5
Iβm super late to the party but we have to stan a living legend. Love you Mariah β€οΈ.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 16, 2019 22:42:25 GMT -5
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 16, 2019 22:44:44 GMT -5
So this is AIWFCIY's mini-documentary:
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Post by kimberly on Dec 16, 2019 22:47:31 GMT -5
For your GRAMMY Consideration: Mariah Carey (Best New Artist) Merry Christmas (Album of the Year) "All I Want For Christmas Is You" (Song/Record of the Year, Pop Solo Performance, Music Video) |
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Post by ccchui on Dec 16, 2019 22:50:49 GMT -5
Well Lizzo actually replied to this tweet, I gave her a lot of respect the way how she respect Mariah |
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Post by campbellssoup on Dec 16, 2019 23:23:55 GMT -5
I love how fresh the top 10 is (aside from Lucid Dreams and the Christmas songs). Circles being the song with the most time in the top 10 (except Lucid Dreams) with only 14 weeks is quite surprising as it feels like there's been a 20+ week song in the top 10 as long as I can remember.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 16, 2019 23:28:25 GMT -5
Can we also talk about how, assuming "AIWFCIY" gets another week at #1 this season, 17 of Mariah's 19 #1s will have been multiple week #1s? That's crazy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 0:23:12 GMT -5
Hopefully this is the last year for This Christmas music being allowed on the chart.
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Post by nlechoppa7 on Dec 17, 2019 0:28:33 GMT -5
I think there should just be a flat out ban of Christmas songs below #25 unless they are new appearances and then the Billboard team can handle it on a case-by-case basis. Like it's fair to have songs like AIWFCIY charting but other basic songs are blocking a lot of new music from charting.
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Post by willapted33 on Dec 17, 2019 0:32:26 GMT -5
i think they should ban every non christmas song from charting, it's unfair because it prevents new christmas songs from charting
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Post by weirdo on Dec 17, 2019 0:34:02 GMT -5
i think they should ban every non christmas song from charting, it's unfair because it prevents new christmas songs from charting I think they should ban all songs from charting once they hit 2 or morebweeks. It prevents fresh nee songs from entering the charts |
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Post by renfield75 on Dec 17, 2019 0:35:34 GMT -5
Mariah likely threatened Billboard with extreme violence if they listed any age-related accomplishments. When she set plenty of actual records, no need for Billboard to mention her being the second oldest female to hit #1. Does it even count anyway though since she was 24 when she recorded it? Like if White Christmas went to number one would we consider Bing Crosby the oldest male to hit the top since he would be 116 now? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 0:38:44 GMT -5
When she set plenty of actual records, no need for Billboard to mention her being the second oldest female to hit #1. Does it even count anyway though since she was 24 when she recorded it? Like if White Christmas went to number one would we consider Bing Crosby the oldest male to hit the top since he would be 116 now? Thatβs why It shouldnβt be allowed to chart itβs not a current song. It is the Hot 100 after all. |
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Post by colson on Dec 17, 2019 0:50:51 GMT -5
Then wouldn't that exclude hits by Lizzo and other iconic hits that re-entered the Hot 100 posthumously?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 0:54:15 GMT -5
Then wouldn't that exclude hits by Lizzo and other iconic hits that re-entered the Hot 100 posthumously? Those can count. The Christmas songs are yearly thing thoufh |
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Post by nlechoppa7 on Dec 17, 2019 1:08:15 GMT -5
i think they should ban every non christmas song from charting, it's unfair because it prevents new christmas songs from charting These aren't "new" Christmas songs though. They are recycled tunes that chart every year and will probably do so for the foreseeable future. Billboard created recurrent rules to stop the charts from becoming stagnant. Why can't they do this for Christmas songs? |
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Post by Naos on Dec 17, 2019 1:10:39 GMT -5
i think they should ban every non christmas song from charting, it's unfair because it prevents new christmas songs from charting These aren't "new" Christmas songs though. They are recycled tunes that chart every year and will probably do so for the foreseeable future. Billboard created recurrent rules to stop the charts from becoming stagnant. Why can't they do this for Christmas songs? Then the charts would be even more stagnant, as Christmas songs clean out a ton of long-running hits. |
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Post by lazer on Dec 17, 2019 1:13:47 GMT -5
Yeah, the good thing about the flooding of Christmas songs is that they kill the older songs into the void and give new peaks for younger songs after they disappear.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Dec 17, 2019 1:23:08 GMT -5
If Xmas songs didn't chart, how many songs are really prevented from hitting H100? Maybe 10 or 15 max during the 2-3 peak holiday weeks that wouldn't chart at the very bottom of H100. After all, with streaming there's a lot of 'post-peak' songs that are just kinda sitting between spots 26-50 that have been charting for 20+ weeks (the recurrent rule for 50). And those songs would likely get a boost during Year-End countdown week, so they'd still 'block' these hypothetical low chart debuts.
Bottom line: Keeping Xmas songs out would prevent a few songs that may have charted between 85-100. No loss. Anything higher would debut anyway. Historically, not that many 'new' songs are actively promoted during the last 2-3 weeks in December. But like Bombs, Xmas songs flush out the charts and open up a lot of slots in the following weeks.
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Post by Naos on Dec 17, 2019 1:24:34 GMT -5
Top 10 artists in the US (Artist 100):
1. Juice WRLD (+57)
2. Post Malone (=)
3. Billie Eilish (-2)
4. The Who (debut)
5. Camila Cabello (+42)
6. Taylor Swift (-2)
7. Mariah Carey (+3)
8. Lizzo (-3)
9. DaBaby (-3)
10. Roddy Ricch (re-entry)
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Post by Naos on Dec 17, 2019 1:57:06 GMT -5
Top 10 artists on social media (Social 50):
1. BTS (=) *157th week at #1*
2. EXO (=)
3. Juice WRLD (re-entry)
4. Stray Kids (=)
5. MONSTA X (+5)
6. Ariana Grande (+6)
7. Billie Eilish (-1)
8. Tomorrow X Together (-5)
9. Harry Styles (+25)
10. Marie Fredriksson (debut)
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Post by Naos on Dec 17, 2019 2:01:33 GMT -5
Niall Horan's "Put a Little Love On Me" debuts at #9 on Digital Song Sales, but appears to fail to have charted on the Hot 100 or Bubbling Under.
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Post by Enigma. on Dec 17, 2019 2:17:38 GMT -5
Pretty impressive considering the active season is like 1.5 months each year.
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Post by Naos on Dec 17, 2019 2:45:06 GMT -5
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Post by thabb on Dec 17, 2019 5:33:02 GMT -5
Bubbling Under: 1. XXXTENTACION - Ex Bitch (debut) 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. NF - Paid My Dues (debut) 7. 8. Juice WRLD - Let Me Know (I Wonder Why Freestyle) (debut) 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. 14. 15. 16. 17. Halsey - Finally // Beautiful Stranger (debut) 18. 19. 20. 21. 22. 23. 24. 25. i gotchu 1. XXXTENTACION - Ex Bitch (debut) 2. HER f/ YG - Slide 3. John Legend - Happy Xmas (War Is Over) 4. Gabby Barrett - I Hope 5. Roddy Ricch - Intro (debut) 6. NF - Paid My Dues (debut) 7. Roddy Ricch - Perfect Time (debut) 8. Juice WRLD - Let Me Know (I Wonder Why Freestyle) (debut) 9. Jimmie Allen - Make Me Want To 10. Roddy Ricch f/ Mustard - High Fashion (debut) 11. Roddy Ricch - Boom Boom Boom (debut) 12. Ingrid Andress - More Hearts Than Mine 13. JP Saxe f/ Julia Michaels - If The World Was Ending 14. Noah Cyrus f/ Leon Bridges - July (debut) 15. Kaash Paige - Love Songs 16. Riley Green - I Wish Grandpas Never Died 17. Halsey - Finally // Beautiful Stranger (debut) 18. Benny Blanco, Juice WRLD - Graduation (re-entry) 19. Roddy Ricch - God's Eyes (debut) 20. Roddy Ricch f/ Lil Durk - Moonwalkin (debut) 21. 5 Seconds of Summer - Teeth 22. Daddy Yankee - Que Tire Pa Lante 23. Tyga - Ayy Macarena (debut) 24. Garth Brooks, Blake Shelton - Dive Bar 25. Jordan Davis - Slow Dance in a Parking Lot |
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Post by felipe on Dec 17, 2019 5:57:07 GMT -5
Ok, so people are mad because Christmas songs are preventing singles from debuting at #89 or something?
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Post by spoons on Dec 17, 2019 6:31:25 GMT -5
I like when Christmas songs disrupt the charts but I hope they don't start making year end lists
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 17, 2019 6:58:31 GMT -5
This Christmas songs shouldnβt be alllwed to chart discussion is exhausting. Donβt you all ever tire of yourselves? How can you not be tired being yourselves?
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