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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 15, 2021 6:49:42 GMT -5
Good call. She's won in Rock, Pop, Traditional Blues, and Americana so she's won in 4 genres as well. (She also won Rock Instrumental, so she's won as a singer and as a musician).
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 15, 2021 6:52:05 GMT -5
What else did Babel by Mumford & Sons win besides AOTY? Music Film (or long form whatever it was called then - not technically Babel, I don’t think?) Oh yeah. That is interesting because it's a documentary of a tour they did with two other hands. It defintiely isn't Babel-specific but it was the same year as that win, so...I don't know.
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Post by myhouse911 on Mar 15, 2021 7:01:46 GMT -5
Music Film (or long form whatever it was called then - not technically Babel, I don’t think?) Oh yeah. That is interesting because it's a documentary of a tour they did with two other hands. It defintiely isn't Babel-specific but it was the same year as that win, so...I don't know. Ya, I would just not lump them in with this select group, simply because they did in fact win another category the same year as AOTY, though it’s clearly not part of their Babel noms imo.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 15, 2021 7:06:47 GMT -5
Oh yeah. That is interesting because it's a documentary of a tour they did with two other hands. It defintiely isn't Babel-specific but it was the same year as that win, so...I don't know. Ya, I would just not lump them in with this select group, simply because they did in fact win another category the same year as AOTY, though it’s clearly not part of their Babel noms imo. Well and Paul Simon won Record of the Year the next year, so he at least deserves an asterisk as ultimately his album won more than just AOTY.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 15, 2021 8:11:21 GMT -5
Let's talk about how no woman of color has won Album or Record since Lauryn Hill over 20 years ago!!! Three Black women have won Song in that time span, and 3 Black women have won New Artist in that time span, but none have won Album or Record.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 15, 2021 8:34:58 GMT -5
I wonder how many more Grammys some artists would have if the genre Album categories existed before the mid-90s. Quincy Jones won Album of the Year in 1991 and surely would have won R&B Album (or wherever it would have gone), for example. He might have won it in other years as well, especially in producing Michael's albums. He'd have over 30 Grammys. Stevie Wonder and Aretha Franklin likely would have won R&B Album a lot. The Beatles might have won Rock Album a lot.
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Post by myhouse911 on Mar 15, 2021 8:38:39 GMT -5
Let's talk about how no woman of color has won Album or Record since Lauryn Hill over 20 years ago!!! Three Black women have won Song in that time span, and 3 Black women have won New Artist in that time span, but none have won Album or Record. Do we consider Norah Jones a women of color? Her father is Indian. Corinne Bailey Rae technically has an AOTY grammy although I know you’re referring to lead artists in your post.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 15, 2021 9:41:46 GMT -5
well, it's hard to compare with a whole different medium. certainly very few people watch ONLY a specific performance in a movie and skip the rest of it. It contributes to the devaluation of albums. I’m old school and still like playing an album from front to back. If it’s a good one, that experience far eclipses one record. It’s harder to make a fantastic album and speaks more about the album creator. I just think it should be honored as such. Oh well done now with that diatribe. It bugs me every year they do it. I do agree. Putting together a complete album that is cohesive and consistent and isn’t just a bunch of songs randomly put together is going to be a bigger accomplishment than a single song. A song can go on to make an impact, but if you’re awarding a body of work (album or single), you’re basing it off of the work itself and not the response. In any case, my suspicions about priorizing Record for the conclusion might be because the Album category had so many lesser-known albums/artists that it wasn’t as climactic as the Record category, which had hits and big names. But I do agree with you about the inconsistencies of it.
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Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on Mar 15, 2021 10:40:23 GMT -5
Billie winning ROTY over Dua Lipa is just a crime. Overall, a pretty decent award distribution.
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Post by nas on Mar 15, 2021 10:55:23 GMT -5
Billie winning ROTY over Dua Lipa is just a crime. Overall, a pretty decent award distribution. I would have given it to Savage.
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Post by spiritboy on Mar 15, 2021 10:55:52 GMT -5
It was a great show and i'm really happy for the winners, especially Taylor, Dua, Harry, Beyoncé, Meghan, Ari & Gagaloo. Three women broke records last night which is a huge win for women. I've missed some performances but overall they were great and i loved the intimacy of artists sitting at the tables, much better than a show in a theatre.
Poor Beyoncé fans though, the way she doesn't feed them with a performance is very cruel.
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Post by cjay on Mar 15, 2021 11:12:45 GMT -5
Let's talk about how no woman of color has won Album or Record since Lauryn Hill over 20 years ago!!! Three Black women have won Song in that time span, and 3 Black women have won New Artist in that time span, but none have won Album or Record. Yes let's talk about this! Maybe the industry is setting up H.E.R. to be next?!! The only other women of color that have a ton of industry support is Beyonce and Rihanna. And with all of their industry support, they don't win. The year that Lauryn Hill was nominated--she was the only R&B/Hip-Hop artist nominated. She didn't have to compete with any other R&B or hip hop artist. Beyonce had to compete with Drake in 2016 and the Black Eyed Peas in 2010. For 2010, I feel like the Beyonce, BEP, and Lady Gaga canceled each other out. That's how Fearless won. in order for a massive pop/R&B/HH album to win, I wonder if there can only be one nominee. That sucks. I think the other issue at play is - r&b, HH, and pop artist have a lot of producers and like 15 songwriters for a 2:50 song. I think a lot of the voters are purist and frown upon that.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 15, 2021 11:32:07 GMT -5
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Mar 15, 2021 11:37:11 GMT -5
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Post by kacpi on Mar 15, 2021 11:48:42 GMT -5
someone in the comments said "you can see it in her pixels"
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Post by #LisaRinna on Mar 15, 2021 12:03:45 GMT -5
Lol you are the biggest Taylor hater on this forum 🙄 What does that have to do with that reply? Anyway the funny thing is, on another forums I visit I am referred to as one of the stans lol #LisaRinna To stans if you don't give blind worship, you're a hater. To haters if you give any praise, you're a stan. Whatever. ificanthaveyou trust me he is a stan now that Faylor isn't competing with Carrie Underwood for Country radio spins.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 12:55:50 GMT -5
This exact situation has never happened before in AOTY. As mentioned before, Arcade Fire's The Suburbs won AOTY but lost Rock Album in 2011. However, the winner for Rock Album (The Black Keys, Brothers) was not nominated for AOTY at all, so it wasn't a reverse situation. AOTY is all voters, but pop album is only pop voters. So it is theoretically possible for one album to have more support within the genre while the other album pulls in enough votes from other genres to gain more votes in AOTY. It makes sense to me that Taylor would be the one person who could pull that off, because I'm sure she still gets support from some of the country crowd and maybe the Americana/folk voters too. This isn't accurate. Recording members can vote in up to 15 genre categories, plus the Big 4. They are not limited to voting in one specific genre. Well sure, if you want to be technical about it, not all of the pop category voters are necessarily "pop" voters. The overall point still stands that the votes in the genre categories are limited (by self-selection) to people who are interested in that genre. Someone who doesn't work with pop artists or listen to pop music isn't likely going to burn any of their 15 category options on pop even if they have space left over to do so.
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Post by elementd5 on Mar 15, 2021 13:12:30 GMT -5
Yeah but come on. Say I work in country music. Am I gonna vote for folklore or Future Nostalgia? Those influences do matter when it's voting time. I've already said this, so I am not sure of your point. The issue being discussed was someone saying Taylor has won with 3 different genres. True. I was just offering that it’s pretty remarkable that’s she’s won album of the year with three very distinctly different bodies of music.
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Post by kimberly on Mar 15, 2021 13:57:36 GMT -5
Country, Pop and what is Folklore classified as? I don’t want to make assumptions based on the title, although it could be obvious. I keep seeing it labeled as Alternative and Indie Pop. Educate me, lol. Alternative as far as the Grammys are concerned, folklore is a pop album. if you want to get specific, folk pop. so Taylor has won AOTY with 2 genres of albums: country and pop. I am still surprised "cardigan" couldn't win SOTY or "exile" couldn't win Pop Duo. Jack Antonoff lost Producer of the Year, too. The first time since Arcade Fire in 2011 that the AOTY lost all of its other nominations. Taylor is long overdue for a SOTY win.
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Post by 14887fan on Mar 15, 2021 14:20:34 GMT -5
Oh ffs, some of y'all are so damn nitpicky and technical. elementd5 is completely right. Swift won AOTY with three sonically different albums. Yes, the Academy categorized 1989 and folklore the same; that's not being disputed. But if you have ears, you know they're different. It's one hell of an accomplishment.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 15, 2021 14:27:09 GMT -5
Oh ffs, some of y'all are so damn nitpicky and technical. elementd5 is completely right. Swift won AOTY with three sonically different albums. Yes, the Academy categorized 1989 and folklore the same; that's not being disputed. But if you have ears, you know they're different. It's one hell of an accomplishment. I mean sure, but I'd think that's true for anyone who wins it 3 times. Stevie Wonder's albums/songs don't sound the same. Paul Simon's winning albums are all different. The 3 albums Beyonce lost for in AOTY are all different.
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Post by 🌺T.A.T.I🌺 on Mar 15, 2021 15:09:37 GMT -5
So I have a question. Kaytranada 2 Grammys including for best dance album. Will the other artists featured on genre albums receive a Grammy also?.. or is it only for album of the year?
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Post by kimberly on Mar 15, 2021 15:10:27 GMT -5
Oh ffs, some of y'all are so damn nitpicky and technical. elementd5 is completely right. Swift won AOTY with three sonically different albums. Yes, the Academy categorized 1989 and folklore the same; that's not being disputed. But if you have ears, you know they're different. It's one hell of an accomplishment. yes, they are three different albums and it would be weird if any two of them sounded the same. we know that Swift has grown artistically. that said, pop music is an all-encompassing genre and evolves each year. making up a new record of "omg she won with 3 genres" is obnoxious.
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Post by kalmanta on Mar 15, 2021 15:18:17 GMT -5
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Post by kcdawg13 on Mar 15, 2021 16:04:44 GMT -5
The show wasn't that bad this year but you could feel the tension, The Weeknd was looming over the awards. For the life of my I don't understand why they would leave him out, snubbing The Weeknd will forever be in the Grammy's legacy, this is something they'll never make people forget. Literally the biggest artist in the world, huge hit with a big album that has commercial and critical success, leaving him out was just a stupid idea overall.
I have no doubt Blinding Lights will continue to break records and stick it out in the Top 10 to purely spite the Grammy's
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Post by Mirago on Mar 15, 2021 16:11:53 GMT -5
The show wasn't that bad this year but you could feel the tension, The Weeknd was looming over the awards. I felt like Harvey Mason Jr was aiming right at The Weeknd during his ‘music requires listening’ lecture.. “We hear the demands for transparency’ ‘Work with us, not against us’ 'We might not get it right 100% of the time and we certainly won’t be able to make everyone happy'
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 15, 2021 16:12:00 GMT -5
The show wasn't that bad this year but you could feel the tension, The Weeknd was looming over the awards. For the life of my I don't understand why they would leave him out, snubbing The Weeknd will forever be in the Grammy's legacy, this is something they'll never make people forget. Literally the biggest artist in the world, huge hit with a big album that has commercial and critical success, leaving him out was just a stupid idea overall. I have no doubt Blinding Lights will continue to break records and stick it out in the Top 10 to purely spite the Grammy's I literally didn't think about The Weeknd one time during the show, so I'm not sure what you mean about it looming over the awards?
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Mar 15, 2021 16:17:03 GMT -5
Oh ffs, some of y'all are so damn nitpicky and technical. elementd5 is completely right. Swift won AOTY with three sonically different albums. Yes, the Academy categorized 1989 and folklore the same; that's not being disputed. But if you have ears, you know they're different. It's one hell of an accomplishment. I mean sure, but I'd think that's true for anyone who wins it 3 times. Stevie Wonder's albums/songs don't sound the same. Paul Simon's winning albums are all different. The 3 albums Beyonce lost for in AOTY are all different.
Paul Simon's were definitely very different... especially "Graceland"
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Post by kcdawg13 on Mar 15, 2021 16:25:16 GMT -5
The show wasn't that bad this year but you could feel the tension, The Weeknd was looming over the awards. I felt like Harvey Mason Jr was aiming right at The Weeknd during his ‘music requires listening’ lecture.. “We hear the demands for transparency’ ‘Work with us, not against us’ 'We might not get it right 100% of the time and we certainly won’t be able to make everyone happy' It's hilarious because they act like they didn't throw him into the big 4 and that's why he's mad, no they literally left him out of the entire show, not even any R&B noms. "Work with us" is a hilarious sentiment, this isn't somebody like Tyler the Creator who isn't a huge commercial success getting a snub, they snubbed the biggest artist in the world right now. The Weeknd doesn't need to work with them, at this point they lost him, add him to the pile along with Drake, Frank Ocean and Bieber.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Mar 15, 2021 16:41:08 GMT -5
I felt like Harvey Mason Jr was aiming right at The Weeknd during his ‘music requires listening’ lecture.. “We hear the demands for transparency’ ‘Work with us, not against us’ 'We might not get it right 100% of the time and we certainly won’t be able to make everyone happy' It's hilarious because they act like they didn't throw him into the big 4 and that's why he's mad, no they literally left him out of the entire show, not even any R&B noms. "Work with us" is a hilarious sentiment, this isn't somebody like Tyler the Creator who isn't a huge commercial success getting a snub, they snubbed the biggest artist in the world right now. The Weeknd doesn't need to work with them, at this point they lost him, add him to the pile along with Drake, Frank Ocean and Bieber. lol one of those names is not like the others....
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