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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 0:14:03 GMT -5
Is foklore the first album to win only AOTY? I kind of get why the songs didn't win individual awards (and I'm glad Dua snatched Pop Album), but it is weird. I think many did in the past... I know it happened to one of my all-time favorite AOTY wins: George Michael’s “Faith” John Lennon and Yoko Ono's Double Fantasy and Lionel Richie's Can't Slow Down also only won AOTY (though Lionel himself won producer of the year the same year). Probably other examples as well that I can't recall right now. Up until the mid-90s the Grammys didn't have separate categories for albums and songs, so it wasn't an entirely odd thing for something like that to happen then.
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Post by fridayteenage on Mar 15, 2021 0:18:59 GMT -5
regarding roty being last:
regardless of how big an album is, generally there are still way more people who have heard the roty winner than the aoty winner. esp in the streaming era, a lot more emphasis seems to be placed on singles. an album can have awful sales numbers but keep charting and charting because hit singles are incorporated on the album chart.
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Post by nas on Mar 15, 2021 0:26:21 GMT -5
regarding roty being last: regardless of how big an album is, generally there are still way more people who have heard the roty winner than the aoty winner. esp in the streaming era, a lot more emphasis seems to be placed on singles. an album can have awful sales numbers but keep charting and charting because hit singles are incorporated on the album chart. I understand the argument but I still disagree with it. Albums SHOULD matter more. It’s a body of work. It’s like giving out Best Actor or Actress after Best Film. They only started doing this fairly recently, and it kind of smacks of politics in terms of them guessing who is going to win for which category they put last. It should be consistent.
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Post by fridayteenage on Mar 15, 2021 0:36:52 GMT -5
regarding roty being last: regardless of how big an album is, generally there are still way more people who have heard the roty winner than the aoty winner. esp in the streaming era, a lot more emphasis seems to be placed on singles. an album can have awful sales numbers but keep charting and charting because hit singles are incorporated on the album chart. I understand the argument but I still disagree with it. Albums SHOULD matter more. It’s a body of work. It’s like giving out Best Actor or Actress after Best Film. They only started doing this fairly recently, and it kind of smacks of politics in terms of them guessing who is going to win for which category they put last. It should be consistent. well, it's hard to compare with a whole different medium. certainly very few people watch ONLY a specific performance in a movie and skip the rest of it.
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Post by nas on Mar 15, 2021 0:43:32 GMT -5
I understand the argument but I still disagree with it. Albums SHOULD matter more. It’s a body of work. It’s like giving out Best Actor or Actress after Best Film. They only started doing this fairly recently, and it kind of smacks of politics in terms of them guessing who is going to win for which category they put last. It should be consistent. well, it's hard to compare with a whole different medium. certainly very few people watch ONLY a specific performance in a movie and skip the rest of it. It contributes to the devaluation of albums. I’m old school and still like playing an album from front to back. If it’s a good one, that experience far eclipses one record. It’s harder to make a fantastic album and speaks more about the album creator. I just think it should be honored as such. Oh well done now with that diatribe. It bugs me every year they do it.
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Post by Mike on Mar 15, 2021 1:01:17 GMT -5
I groaned at a couple of wins tonight, but in general it's great to see the love being spread out. When was the last time the major winner only took home 3 awards in a single evening?
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Post by fridayteenage on Mar 15, 2021 1:07:35 GMT -5
I groaned at a couple of wins tonight, but in general it's great to see the love being spread out. When was the last time the major winner only took home 3 awards in a single evening? 2021 Bey 4 2019 gambino & kacey 4 2015 sam 4 2014 a bunch 4 not unusual for the top winner to have 4.
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Post by Ty on Mar 15, 2021 1:20:59 GMT -5
Grammy winners (black musician version):
Song of the Year: "I Can't Breathe" (H.E.R.) Best New Artist: Megan Thee Stallion
Dance Recording: "10%" (Kaytranada ft. Kali Uchis) Dance Album: Bubba (Kaytranada)
Rock Song: "Stay High" (Brittany Howard)
R&B Performance: "Black Parade" (Beyonce) Traditional R&B Performance: "Anything for You (Ledisi) R&B Song: "Better Than I Imagined" (Robert Glasper ft. H.E.R. & Meshell Ndegeocello) Progressive R&B Album: It Is What It Is (Thundercat) R&B Album: Bigger Love (John Legend)
Rap Performance: "Savage" (Megan Thee Stallion ft. Beyonce) Melodic Rap Performance: "Lockdown" (Anderson .Paak) Rap Song: "Savage" (Megan Thee Stallion ft. Beyonce) Rap Album: King's Disease (Nas)
Jazz Instrumental Album: Trilogy 2 (Chick Corea, Christian McBride & Brian Blade)
Gospel Performance/Song: "Movin' On" (Jonathan McReynolds & Mali Music) Gospel Album: Gospel According to PJ (PJ Morton) Contemporary Christian Music Album: Jesus Is King (Kanye West) Roots Gospel Album: Celebrating Fisk! -The 150th Anniversary Album- (Fisk Jubilee Singers)
Tropical Latin Album: 40 (Grupo Niche)
Traditional Blues Album: Rawer than Raw (Bobby Rush) Contemporary Blues Album: Have You Lost Your Mind Yet? (Fantastic Negrito)
Reggae Album: Got to Be Tough (Toots and the Maytals)
Global Music Album: Twice as Tall (Burna Boy)
Comedy Album: Black Mitzvah (Tiffany Haddish)
Music Video: "Brown Skin Girl" (Beyonce, Saint Jhn & Wizkid ft. Blue Ivy Carter)
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Post by It's me, bitch. on Mar 15, 2021 1:33:04 GMT -5
I don’t know how anybody could think that Cardi B or Megan Thee Stallion has more talent than Doja Cat.
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Post by 14887fan on Mar 15, 2021 1:42:10 GMT -5
I don’t know how anybody could think that Cardi B or Megan Thee Stallion has more talent than Doja Cat. Opinions are subjective.
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Post by It's me, bitch. on Mar 15, 2021 1:48:07 GMT -5
I don’t know how anybody could think that Cardi B or Megan Thee Stallion has more talent than Doja Cat. Opinions are subjective. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them and they stink.
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Post by kimberly on Mar 15, 2021 1:59:47 GMT -5
... anyway...
it just clicked with me that the "mystery" female artist that declined to attend/perform this year due to "getting completely snubbed three years ago" could be SZA. I really wanted to see her perform tonight but after that whole 0-for-5 situation in 2018 (and 0-for-4 in 2019 too, albeit all for the same song), I can understand why she might not want to participate.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Mar 15, 2021 2:01:03 GMT -5
It was nominated in Pop Album, so as far as the Grammys are concerned, it's not 3 different genres. Does the academy delineate the genre or does the label who submits the body of work?
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Post by ampersand on Mar 15, 2021 2:13:06 GMT -5
It was nominated in Pop Album, so as far as the Grammys are concerned, it's not 3 different genres. Does the academy delineate the genre or does the label who submits the body of work? It’s a mixture of both. The label decides under which genre their submissions go, but the academy can reject that choice and put the album under the genre they think is most appropriate. IIRC, this was also apparently an issue this year with the Weeknd, whose label submitted him to Best Progressive R&B Album (which he has won twice before), but the academy put it forward in Pop Vocal Album (where it ultimately failed to secure a nomination). As for Taylor, there is nothing to indicate she or her label submitted to Best Alternative Album. It was always going to be in Pop Vocal.
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Post by cking33 on Mar 15, 2021 2:23:05 GMT -5
Is foklore the first album to win only AOTY? I kind of get why the songs didn't win individual awards (and I'm glad Dua snatched Pop Album), but it is weird. I think many did in the past... I know it happened to one of my all-time favorite AOTY wins: George Michael’s “Faith” Believe Fleetwood Mac’s “Rumors” also did this.
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Post by George on Mar 15, 2021 2:31:53 GMT -5
Taylor won with 3 different genres of music. That’s a pretty dope achievement. Just realized this. This is pretty phenomenal. How many other artist have done this--especially in the general field? Mary J. Blige has wins in R&B, Rap, Pop and Gospel. She also had a nom in the Dance field as well.
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Post by myhouse911 on Mar 15, 2021 2:42:03 GMT -5
Does the academy delineate the genre or does the label who submits the body of work? It’s a mixture of both. The label decides under which genre their submissions go, but the academy can reject that choice and put the album under the genre they think is most appropriate. IIRC, this was also apparently an issue this year with the Weeknd, whose label submitted him to Best Progressive R&B Album (which he has won twice before), but the academy put it forward in Pop Vocal Album (where it ultimately failed to secure a nomination). As for Taylor, there is nothing to indicate she or her label submitted to Best Alternative Album. It was always going to be in Pop Vocal. Let's also not forget the Weeknd was wanting his album in Pop anyway - yet his label did not grant his wishes, and no songs were even up for consideration in the R&B field.
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Post by myhouse911 on Mar 15, 2021 2:44:45 GMT -5
I think many did in the past... I know it happened to one of my all-time favorite AOTY wins: George Michael’s “Faith” Believe Fleetwood Mac’s “Rumors” also did this. 1969: Glen Campbell – By The Time I Get To Phoenix 1973: George Harrison – The Concert For Bangla Desh 1978: Fleetwood Mac – Rumours 1982: John Lennon & Yoko Ono – Double Fantasy 1987: Paul Simon – Graceland 1989: George Michael – Faith 2011: Arcade Fire – The Suburbs 2021: Taylor Swift – Folklore
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Post by कामसूत्र on Mar 15, 2021 3:50:22 GMT -5
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them and they stink. Speak for only yourself sweetie.
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Post by kimberly on Mar 15, 2021 4:08:35 GMT -5
Can someone explain how Taylor got more votes than Dua to win AOTY but the reverse for Best Pop Album? I kinda...don't buy it? Has that ever happened before? This exact situation has never happened before in AOTY. As mentioned before, Arcade Fire's The Suburbs won AOTY but lost Rock Album in 2011. However, the winner for Rock Album (The Black Keys, Brothers) was not nominated for AOTY at all, so it wasn't a reverse situation. AOTY is all voters, but pop album is only pop voters. So it is theoretically possible for one album to have more support within the genre while the other album pulls in enough votes from other genres to gain more votes in AOTY. It makes sense to me that Taylor would be the one person who could pull that off, because I'm sure she still gets support from some of the country crowd and maybe the Americana/folk voters too. ^ this. plus, I can also see some voters considering Future Nostalgia the better pop record, while voting folklore for AOTY, since that one is not your typical pop album. I think the genre-confusion regarding Taylor's album might have helped Dua snatch the win there. On a somewhat related note, it irks me when BNA and SOTY are presented earlier in the show rather than near the end. These are supposed to be the 'big' categories so why don't they save those for the end? this has an easy answer: they want people to watch the whole show. keeps it interesting, especially having BNA up first. plus, when a sweep does happen, this helps spread it out a little bit so that people like Billie Eilish aren't on stage for 15 minutes straight accepting the awards.
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Post by Mike on Mar 15, 2021 4:29:49 GMT -5
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Post by myhouse911 on Mar 15, 2021 5:22:51 GMT -5
Can someone explain how Taylor got more votes than Dua to win AOTY but the reverse for Best Pop Album? I kinda...don't buy it? Has that ever happened before? This exact situation has never happened before in AOTY. As mentioned before, Arcade Fire's The Suburbs won AOTY but lost Rock Album in 2011. However, the winner for Rock Album (The Black Keys, Brothers) was not nominated for AOTY at all, so it wasn't a reverse situation. AOTY is all voters, but pop album is only pop voters. So it is theoretically possible for one album to have more support within the genre while the other album pulls in enough votes from other genres to gain more votes in AOTY. It makes sense to me that Taylor would be the one person who could pull that off, because I'm sure she still gets support from some of the country crowd and maybe the Americana/folk voters too. This isn't accurate. Recording members can vote in up to 15 genre categories, plus the Big 4. They are not limited to voting in one specific genre.
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Post by upsidedown on Mar 15, 2021 5:23:13 GMT -5
This is the first year that the winners were pretty spread out I feel like in a while and all were deserving, between Billie, Taylor, HER, Dua, Megan, etc.
HOWEVER, the fact that Beyonce is STILL buying all of these Grammy's. Gurl.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 5:56:56 GMT -5
This is the first year that the winners were pretty spread out I feel like in a while and all were deserving, between Billie, Taylor, HER, Dua, Megan, etc. HOWEVER, the fact that Beyonce is STILL buying all of these Grammy's. Gurl. I guess they are feeding each other Grammys feeding Beyonce's fame and Beyonce giving Grammys some shine, anyway she is definitely not worth as a woman with the most awards so Grammys are for these powergrabbing fameeaters like Beyonce, it is not about the music. Although I am pleasantly surprised about Billie Eilish, "Everything I Wanted" is a gorgeous song, like Beyonce never had.
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Post by Future Captain on Mar 15, 2021 6:17:44 GMT -5
Ah, turns out I was right about Taylor winning AOTY and pretty much nothing else
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 15, 2021 6:26:06 GMT -5
It was nominated in Pop Album, so as far as the Grammys are concerned, it's not 3 different genres. Yeah but come on. Say I work in country music. Am I gonna vote for folklore or Future Nostalgia? Those influences do matter when it's voting time. I've already said this, so I am not sure of your point. The issue being discussed was someone saying Taylor has won with 3 different genres.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 15, 2021 6:29:56 GMT -5
In terms of genres, Donna Summer has won in 4 - R&B, Rock, Dance, and Inspirational.
Linda Ronstadt won in a bunch of genres, too, depending how specific you want to get - Country, Pop, Mexican-American, Tropical Latin, Children, and now Music Film. In addition to those she was nominated in Rock twice and in Folk categories, so she's really run the gamut.
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Post by myhouse911 on Mar 15, 2021 6:47:53 GMT -5
^ Bonnie Raitt as well.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 15, 2021 6:47:57 GMT -5
Believe Fleetwood Mac’s “Rumors” also did this. 1969: Glen Campbell – By The Time I Get To Phoenix 1973: George Harrison – The Concert For Bangla Desh 1978: Fleetwood Mac – Rumours 1982: John Lennon & Yoko Ono – Double Fantasy 1987: Paul Simon – Graceland 1989: George Michael – Faith 2011: Arcade Fire – The Suburbs 2021: Taylor Swift – Folklore What else did Babel by Mumford & Sons win besides AOTY?
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Post by myhouse911 on Mar 15, 2021 6:49:07 GMT -5
1969: Glen Campbell – By The Time I Get To Phoenix 1973: George Harrison – The Concert For Bangla Desh 1978: Fleetwood Mac – Rumours 1982: John Lennon & Yoko Ono – Double Fantasy 1987: Paul Simon – Graceland 1989: George Michael – Faith 2011: Arcade Fire – The Suburbs 2021: Taylor Swift – Folklore What else did Babel by Mumford & Sons win besides AOTY? Music Film (or long form whatever it was called then - not technically Babel, I don’t think?)
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